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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Fred Stone"
Date: 04 Sep 2005 10:09:12 AM
Object: Governor Blanco Failed To Act
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html
....Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials
tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco
(D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a
proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of
the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency
operations center said Saturday.
The administration sought unified control over all local police and
state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana
officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night,
concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration
of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive
behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off
taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything
on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to
speak publicly.
A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal
authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances
under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains
of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor
and the New Orleans mayor.
Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for
assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As
of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the
senior Bush official said.
"The federal government stands ready to work with state and local
officials to secure New Orleans and the state of Louisiana," White House
spokesman Dan Bartlett said. "The president will not let any form of
bureaucracy get in the way of protecting the citizens of Louisiana."
Blanco made two moves Saturday that protected her independence from the
federal government: She created a philanthropic fund for the state's
victims and hired James Lee Witt, Federal Emergency Management Agency
director in the Clinton administration, to advise her on the relief
effort...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 11:50:07 PM
In episode <43f25516.1563106875@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:15:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In episode <1126051419.66b81f9ff98357179526292bd478d12c@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:fMmdneDDgrZvkIPeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126036237.8d9e4e1a11d77cff8a50699ab72da10d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to
give up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and
be carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do
this!" and "do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" *****
rather than ship food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so
desperately want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just
like I've been doing.



Maybe you'd have better luck peddling your lies to somebody who didn't
actually live through this disaster.


Maybe you'd have more luck if I hadn't already lived through a
hurricane disaster.


I don't care what you fucking lived through before. You were not here for
THIS. I was, you weren't.

FEMA had the request and authority to act on Friday. They failed to
act. People died.


They did exactly as they were requested to do by the local authorities.


No they didn't.

Spin so fast you dig your way to China. Fact is, help was legally
requested on Friday before landfall. Help didn't arrive for *days.

That's what this boils down to.


What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was asked for -
properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember what he posted
himself the day before.

I think he's going senile. I really do. He's acting just like Duke.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "G-Ride"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 04:26:34 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RrGdnW6TpNjg7IPeRVn-rA@megapath.net...

In episode <43f25516.1563106875@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst into
the room and exclaimed:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:15:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In episode <1126051419.66b81f9ff98357179526292bd478d12c@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:fMmdneDDgrZvkIPeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126036237.8d9e4e1a11d77cff8a50699ab72da10d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to
give up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and
be carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do
this!" and "do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" *****
rather than ship food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so
desperately want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just
like I've been doing.



Maybe you'd have better luck peddling your lies to somebody who

didn't

actually live through this disaster.


Maybe you'd have more luck if I hadn't already lived through a
hurricane disaster.


I don't care what you fucking lived through before. You were not here

for

THIS. I was, you weren't.

FEMA had the request and authority to act on Friday. They failed to
act. People died.


They did exactly as they were requested to do by the local

authorities.


No they didn't.

Spin so fast you dig your way to China. Fact is, help was legally
requested on Friday before landfall. Help didn't arrive for *days.

That's what this boils down to.


What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was asked

for -

properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember what he posted
himself the day before.


I think he's going senile. I really do. He's acting just like Duke.

With so many lies to remember as he defends his lord and saviour bush's
incompetent inaction, it's no wonder Fred can't keep all the lies straight.
--
Aloha,
G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 09:27:57 AM
"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3o7q2cF4lji1U1@individual.net:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RrGdnW6TpNjg7IPeRVn-rA@megapath.net...

In episode <43f25516.1563106875@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:


What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was asked
for - properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember what he
posted himself the day before.


I think he's going senile. I really do. He's acting just like Duke.



With so many lies to remember as he defends his lord and saviour
bush's incompetent inaction, it's no wonder Fred can't keep all the
lies straight.

I'm not having nearly as much trouble as you are. I know what was
requested since I have read the documents, and it doesn't even mention
relief for the Superdome. I don't have documents that show when that
need was communicated to FEMA. I do know that they don't get official
requests by watching the TV news.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’ - Howard Dean
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 11:12:22 AM
In episode <1126103278.2159de530b2d547ef5e388682168922d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3o7q2cF4lji1U1@individual.net:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RrGdnW6TpNjg7IPeRVn-rA@megapath.net...

In episode <43f25516.1563106875@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:




What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was asked
for - properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember what he
posted himself the day before.


I think he's going senile. I really do. He's acting just like Duke.



With so many lies to remember as he defends his lord and saviour bush's
incompetent inaction, it's no wonder Fred can't keep all the lies
straight.


I'm not having nearly as much trouble as you are. I know what was
requested since I have read the documents, and it doesn't even mention
relief for the Superdome. I don't have documents that show when that need
was communicated to FEMA. I do know that they don't get official requests
by watching the TV news.

Fred read websites and blogs! He knows *EVERYTHING.*
I was here, I don't know nothin'. Good thing Fred's around to tell me what
happened to me. I wouldn't know otherwise!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 12:47:44 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:b6WdneBfBOn-jILeRVn-hA@megapath.net:

In episode <1126103278.2159de530b2d547ef5e388682168922d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3o7q2cF4lji1U1@individual.net:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RrGdnW6TpNjg7IPeRVn-rA@megapath.net...

In episode <43f25516.1563106875@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:




What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was
asked for - properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember
what he posted himself the day before.


I think he's going senile. I really do. He's acting just like Duke.



With so many lies to remember as he defends his lord and saviour
bush's incompetent inaction, it's no wonder Fred can't keep all the
lies straight.


I'm not having nearly as much trouble as you are. I know what was
requested since I have read the documents, and it doesn't even
mention relief for the Superdome. I don't have documents that show
when that need was communicated to FEMA. I do know that they don't
get official requests by watching the TV news.


Fred read websites and blogs! He knows *EVERYTHING.*

I was here, I don't know nothin'. Good thing Fred's around to tell me
what happened to me. I wouldn't know otherwise!

I have no doubt that you know what happened to *YOU*. I doubt very much
that you know what happened to Governor Blanco or Mayor Nagin.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 01:14:27 PM
In episode <1126115268.248c3ff686a712b3270c0d8058f0d10b@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:b6WdneBfBOn-jILeRVn-hA@megapath.net:

In episode <1126103278.2159de530b2d547ef5e388682168922d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3o7q2cF4lji1U1@individual.net:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RrGdnW6TpNjg7IPeRVn-rA@megapath.net...

In episode <43f25516.1563106875@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:




What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was asked
for - properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember what he
posted himself the day before.


I think he's going senile. I really do. He's acting just like Duke.



With so many lies to remember as he defends his lord and saviour
bush's incompetent inaction, it's no wonder Fred can't keep all the
lies straight.


I'm not having nearly as much trouble as you are. I know what was
requested since I have read the documents, and it doesn't even mention
relief for the Superdome. I don't have documents that show when that
need was communicated to FEMA. I do know that they don't get official
requests by watching the TV news.


Fred read websites and blogs! He knows *EVERYTHING.*

I was here, I don't know nothin'. Good thing Fred's around to tell me
what happened to me. I wouldn't know otherwise!


I have no doubt that you know what happened to *YOU*. I doubt very much
that you know what happened to Governor Blanco or Mayor Nagin.

And yet I saw what happened here. Funny how that happens. People who
actually live here see what happens. People like you clicking on URLs
don't know what happened.
You don't even understand the evacuation plan you tried to site. I'm still
laughing at your fool ***** for that one.
*****.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 01:15:53 PM
In episode <1126115268.248c3ff686a712b3270c0d8058f0d10b@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:b6WdneBfBOn-jILeRVn-hA@megapath.net:

In episode <1126103278.2159de530b2d547ef5e388682168922d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3o7q2cF4lji1U1@individual.net:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:RrGdnW6TpNjg7IPeRVn-rA@megapath.net...

In episode <43f25516.1563106875@news-west.newscene.com>, Kate burst
into the room and exclaimed:




What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was asked
for - properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember what he
posted himself the day before.


I think he's going senile. I really do. He's acting just like Duke.



With so many lies to remember as he defends his lord and saviour
bush's incompetent inaction, it's no wonder Fred can't keep all the
lies straight.


I'm not having nearly as much trouble as you are. I know what was
requested since I have read the documents, and it doesn't even mention
relief for the Superdome. I don't have documents that show when that
need was communicated to FEMA. I do know that they don't get official
requests by watching the TV news.


Fred read websites and blogs! He knows *EVERYTHING.*

I was here, I don't know nothin'. Good thing Fred's around to tell me
what happened to me. I wouldn't know otherwise!


I have no doubt that you know what happened to *YOU*. I doubt very much
that you know what happened to Governor Blanco or Mayor Nagin.

By the way, senile ***** Duke twin, I'm done with you. Reply all you
want but I am now putting you into the killfile which deletes any and all
messages.
I have no further reason to see filth like you.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.






User: "WCB"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 01:02:32 PM
Kate wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:15:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In episode <1126051419.66b81f9ff98357179526292bd478d12c@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:fMmdneDDgrZvkIPeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126036237.8d9e4e1a11d77cff8a50699ab72da10d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to
give up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and
be carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do
this!" and "do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" *****
rather than ship food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so
desperately want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just
like I've been doing.



Maybe you'd have better luck peddling your lies to somebody who didn't
actually live through this disaster.


Maybe you'd have more luck if I hadn't already lived through a hurricane
disaster.


I don't care what you fucking lived through before. You were not here for
THIS. I was, you weren't.

FEMA had the request and authority to act on Friday. They failed to
act. People died.


They did exactly as they were requested to do by the local authorities.


No they didn't.

Spin so fast you dig your way to China. Fact is, help was legally
requested on Friday before landfall. Help didn't arrive for *days.

That's what this boils down to.


What's really disgusting is he's already admitted that it was asked
for - properly 2 days before. Apparently he can't remember what he
posted himself the day before.


He doesn't CARE. He blathers lies and when he runs out
starts making them up.
He never looks at facts.
He simply does not care.
There is something wrong with this man.
You see it in the Freds and Dukes.
Absolute lack of reason, unwillingness to reason.
--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 07:39:22 PM
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:15:22 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:

I don't care what you fucking lived through before. You were not here for
THIS. I was, you weren't.

NO, mark. You were NOT there. You were on St Mary Blvd.

They did exactly as they were requested to do by the local authorities.

No they didn't.

Of course they did - just watch the news.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.

User: "WCB"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 06:21:28 PM
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In episode <1126036237.8d9e4e1a11d77cff8a50699ab72da10d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to give
up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and be
carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do this!" and
"do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" ***** rather than ship
food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so desperately
want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just like
I've been doing.



Maybe you'd have better luck peddling your lies to somebody who didn't
actually live through this disaster.

FEMA had the request and authority to act on Friday. They failed to act.
People died.

It is reported early on New Mexico offered national guards
and Blanco accepted. But authorization had to come from
Washington and that didn't come until Thursday.
A few other states claim they had started mobilizing
their guards to help but no calls came from Lousiana.
So it looks like everybody screwed up.
A few small contingents did arrive somehow.
A few loopholes for military police allowed quick reaction
without needing Wahington approval.
FEMA should have had a backup and called for
help, or Bush should have made inquiries, nobody did.
Bush was to busy screwing around to make pointed
questions as to what was going on. FEMA head Mike Brown
was out to lunch and clueless.
Apparently some National Guard commanders did not call
either Lousiana to ask why help was not being asked
for, and did not think to call Washington or FEMA.
They sat around and waited for somebody to call
them and made no initiatives.
No Senators or Congressmen seemed to have inquired
why help was not on the way.
Condoleeza Rice was out shoe shopping and didn't care.
She wins this year's Esmeralda Marcos award.
No telling what bunker Cheney was hiding in.
Too bad it didn't flood.
By the time this all was sorted out, Bush was blackmailing
the governor, no help until she handed Lousiana over to the
Feds on their paranoid terms.
Everybody gets an F here.
Meanwhile numerous states and cities were offering
help and being turned down by FEMA for example
medical teams from Chicago were turned down as unneeded
by FEMA even as people were dying in New Orleans in hospitals.
No sign of anything from Senate and House leaders
Frist or Hastert.
--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 08:36:48 PM
In episode <11hs8b8qgnvij4b@corp.supernews.com>, WCB burst into the room
and exclaimed:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In episode <1126036237.8d9e4e1a11d77cff8a50699ab72da10d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to
give up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and be
carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do this!"
and "do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" ***** rather
than ship food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so
desperately want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just
like I've been doing.



Maybe you'd have better luck peddling your lies to somebody who didn't
actually live through this disaster.

FEMA had the request and authority to act on Friday. They failed to act.
People died.


It is reported early on New Mexico offered national guards and Blanco
accepted. But authorization had to come from Washington and that didn't
come until Thursday. A few other states claim they had started mobilizing
their guards to help but no calls came from Lousiana.

Yeah, no calls came from Louisiana.
Jefferson parish staff were having to get people to make announcements on
870 AM to communicate with each other. The communication infrastructure
collapsed. Cell phones still don't work. I can't call Baton Rogue on the
land line to save my life. Houston requires multiple redials. It's pretty
much impossible to call me. My mother almost went nuts. Communication
systems a hundred miles from landfall were crashing. People all over vast
areas of the state couldn't get through to anybody.
I don't remember who it was but a local official heard the comment "they
didn't call" and shot back a "call with WHAT?"
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "WCB"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 12:55:50 PM
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In episode <11hs8b8qgnvij4b@corp.supernews.com>, WCB burst into the room
and exclaimed:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In episode <1126036237.8d9e4e1a11d77cff8a50699ab72da10d@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to
give up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and be
carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do this!"
and "do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" ***** rather
than ship food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so
desperately want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just
like I've been doing.



Maybe you'd have better luck peddling your lies to somebody who didn't
actually live through this disaster.

FEMA had the request and authority to act on Friday. They failed to act.
People died.


It is reported early on New Mexico offered national guards and Blanco
accepted. But authorization had to come from Washington and that didn't
come until Thursday. A few other states claim they had started mobilizing
their guards to help but no calls came from Lousiana.



Yeah, no calls came from Louisiana.

Jefferson parish staff were having to get people to make announcements on
870 AM to communicate with each other. The communication infrastructure
collapsed. Cell phones still don't work. I can't call Baton Rogue on the
land line to save my life. Houston requires multiple redials. It's pretty
much impossible to call me. My mother almost went nuts. Communication
systems a hundred miles from landfall were crashing. People all over vast
areas of the state couldn't get through to anybody.

I don't remember who it was but a local official heard the comment "they
didn't call" and shot back a "call with WHAT?"


This was a problem in Florida in past hurricanes.
Florida learned from that and has radio systems for emergencies
now. FEMA apparently never learned from that, neither did
NOLA. Blanco has been Governor 1 1/2 years, she inherited
a mess.
Long ago, when FEMA told Bush NOLA was a concern 4 1/2 years,
this should have been concern No. 1. As it was a proven problem
long ago.
What we need now is a crash program up and down the
coast from Brownsville Texas, to Tallahassee, Florida
to make sure next time, this is not an issue ever again.
But we live in Bush-America. It can't be done.
If a category five hits Houston, we will have the same
problems.
Bush. Can't do. GOP. Won't do.
--
Xenu is around and about,
mention Hubbard, Xenu pops out!
No way for the clams to stamp Xenu out,
Xenu is around and about!
Cheerful Charlie
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 12:49:14 PM
In episode <11hu9kkbd0n2t2e@corp.supernews.com>, WCB burst into the room
and exclaimed:
<snippage, mind the attributions>

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In episode <11hs8b8qgnvij4b@corp.supernews.com>, WCB burst into the room
and exclaimed:


It is reported early on New Mexico offered national guards and Blanco
accepted. But authorization had to come from Washington and that
didn't come until Thursday. A few other states claim they had started
mobilizing their guards to help but no calls came from Lousiana.


Yeah, no calls came from Louisiana.

Jefferson parish staff were having to get people to make announcements
on 870 AM to communicate with each other. The communication
infrastructure collapsed. Cell phones still don't work. I can't call
Baton Rogue on the land line to save my life. Houston requires multiple
redials. It's pretty much impossible to call me. My mother almost went
nuts. Communication systems a hundred miles from landfall were crashing.
People all over vast areas of the state couldn't get through to anybody.

I don't remember who it was but a local official heard the comment "they
didn't call" and shot back a "call with WHAT?"

This was a problem in Florida in past hurricanes. Florida learned from
that and has radio systems for emergencies now. FEMA apparently never
learned from that, neither did NOLA. Blanco has been Governor 1 1/2
years, she inherited a mess.

That's something I bet the Fred/Duke tag team don't want to talk about.
You know who she inherited things from?
Mike Foster. Republican.

Long ago, when FEMA told Bush NOLA was a concern 4 1/2 years, this should
have been concern No. 1. As it was a proven problem long ago.

What we need now is a crash program up and down the coast from Brownsville
Texas, to Tallahassee, Florida to make sure next time, this is not an
issue ever again. But we live in Bush-America. It can't be done. If a
category five hits Houston, we will have the same problems.

Bush. Can't do. GOP. Won't do.

Oh Houston is golden. That's the Bush home. They'll build a ten trillion
dollar dome over the city if they have to.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 07:37:55 PM
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:49:14 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:

That's something I bet the Fred/Duke tag team don't want to talk about.
You know who she inherited things from?
Mike Foster. Republican.

Milke Foster, 'rat turned Republican, knew what to do. That's all it took. A
strong governor and good legal team. Too bad the 'rat machine couldn't provide.

Oh Houston is golden. That's the Bush home. They'll build a ten trillion
dollar dome over the city if they have to.

We got bilbo.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.


User: "duke"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 07:36:11 PM
On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:55:50 -0500, WCB <wbarwell@Mungggedd.mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:

This was a problem in Florida in past hurricanes.
Florida learned from that and has radio systems for emergencies
now. FEMA apparently never learned from that, neither did
NOLA. Blanco has been Governor 1 1/2 years, she inherited
a mess.

She didn't inherit a mess. She was elected on the strength of the 'rat machine
in Louisiana. Then she got horrible legal advice from the machine. Then she
was too weak act.

Bush. Can't do. GOP. Won't do.

'rats - reject help.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.




User: "Adam H."

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 03:23:43 PM
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:50:37 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to
give up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and be
carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do this!"
and "do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" ***** rather
than ship food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so
desperately want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just
like I've been doing.

FEMA had authorization as soon as Bush declared a State of Emergency
in Louisiana. When Bush did so, that made Hurricane Katrina an
'Incident of National Significance" ("ALL PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED
DISASTERS AND EMERGENCIES UNDER THE STAFFORD ACT ARE CONSIDERED
INCIDENTS OF NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE." (NRP, 7)).
Actually, it wasn't just FEMA. Bush had authorization to act. He could
have had the SecDef send in relief troops on the 27th.
Now, the National Response Plan (NRP) gives the President a duty in
all cases of an Incident of National Significance - "The President
leads the Nation in responding efficiently and ensuring the necessary
resources are applied quickly and effectively to all Incidents of
National Significance."
The section of the NRP titled "PROACTIVE FEDERAL RESPONSE TO
CATASTROPHIC EVENTS" provides that "Standard procedures regarding
requests for assistance may be expedited, or under extreme
circumstances, suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of
catastrophic magnitude."
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 04:21:40 PM
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in
news:ukurh1t5f68jtkkru2kk9o97tal82iha3h@4ax.com:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:50:37 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:B6-dnZmMd6OVRoDeRVn-tg@megapath.net:

In episode <1126011901.403ad0bb97e92c56fe9525f0cb71610d@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:


But you were just making excuses for Governor Blanco's refusal to
give up authority to the Feds. Hypocrite!


Yeah, FEMA held our fucking state hostage. He wanted to be king and

be

carried about in a sedan chair, waving his majestic hand "do this!"
and "do that!" He dicked around with "unified command" ***** rather
than ship food and water to people.

HE WAS ALREADY REQUESTED AND AUTHORIZED TO SAVE THOSE LIVES.

***** your spin. Go shove yourself up Bush's ***** like you so
desperately want to do.


No, Mark, I'm going to keep refuting your baseless allegations, just
like I've been doing.


FEMA had authorization as soon as Bush declared a State of Emergency
in Louisiana. When Bush did so, that made Hurricane Katrina an
'Incident of National Significance" ("ALL PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED
DISASTERS AND EMERGENCIES UNDER THE STAFFORD ACT ARE CONSIDERED
INCIDENTS OF NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE." (NRP, 7)).

And in fact they did act, by ordering supplies to be prepositioned.

Actually, it wasn't just FEMA. Bush had authorization to act. He could
have had the SecDef send in relief troops on the 27th.

But like a good federalist president, he deferred to state and local
authorities to request what they needed. You realize that you're
basically contradicting Mark's argument where he complains that Brown
tried to usurp state power?

Now, the National Response Plan (NRP) gives the President a duty in
all cases of an Incident of National Significance - "The President
leads the Nation in responding efficiently and ensuring the necessary
resources are applied quickly and effectively to all Incidents of
National Significance."

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the logistical
challenge of moving several thousand troops and supplies for an entire
city.

The section of the NRP titled "PROACTIVE FEDERAL RESPONSE TO
CATASTROPHIC EVENTS" provides that "Standard procedures regarding
requests for assistance may be expedited, or under extreme
circumstances, suspended in the immediate aftermath of an event of
catastrophic magnitude."

Are you sure you want to give the President the power to override state
and local government just by declaring a state of emergency? You thought
the PATRIOT Act was bad?
http://www.proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/18958/
"And from where I’m standing, there simply have to be repercussions at
the local level. Because if the left and the media succeed in foisting
blame for this disaster off on the feds, then they will have succeeded
in further asserting centralized control over the republic, crippling
what remains of federalism and moving one step closer to a structurally
leftist, top-down nation.
It’s been remarkable, throughout this debate, to watch “progressives”
shriek that the President did not use his federal authority (and often,
their arguments call for more than that—advocating that President failed
for not exceeding his Constitutional authority) to usurp authority from
the Governor of LA.
Whereas, Bush did what an (ostensibly) conservative President simply
MUST do: he deferred to the local authorities and continued to use the
powers of the federal government to assist the local authorities in the
ways THEY THEMSELVES REQUESTED. And it’s my position that in doing so,
the President did the right thing—even if the locals in question weren’t
up to the job. Which shows not the failure of federalism, but rather
that local elections have material (and potentially dire) consequences.
And if we don’t make that case over and over again, I fear MORE federal
control, where less federal control—and better local preparation—is the
answer.
Am I happy that FEMA is wrapped up in DHS? No. But that particular
bureaucratic misstep is bi-partisan—the product of Senators from both
parties wishing to show that they were doing something in the wake of
911. And I’ll be happy if the structural flaws of having increased
bureaucratic layers are exposed and remedied as a result of this
disaster. But that’s for later..."
[read the whole thing, comments too]
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 04:49:51 PM
In episode <1126041700.fc9a545a1cad2bae06b401b7352bdc0c@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the logistical
challenge of moving several thousand troops and supplies for an entire
city.

You're a deceptive pile of *****. You evade that FEMA was *not moving food
and water to those people and switch to talking about troops. You're doing
it deliberately because you *know the Bush administration basically
conditioned food, water, and medical supplies on total federal control of
the area.
Nothing was stopping FEMA from suppling food, water, medicines, etc. to
the people in the Dome. Not to mention the people at the Convention
Center. The latter of which Brown said "duh, I didn't know there were
people there."
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 07:08:03 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WKudnUDs6qhjk4PeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:

In episode <1126041700.fc9a545a1cad2bae06b401b7352bdc0c@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the logistical
challenge of moving several thousand troops and supplies for an
entire city.


You're a deceptive pile of *****. You evade that FEMA was *not moving
food and water to those people and switch to talking about troops.

I mentioned troops *and* supplies.

You're doing it deliberately because you *know the Bush administration
basically conditioned food, water, and medical supplies on total
federal control of the area.

Which way do you want it, Mark? Was Bush supposed to jump in and start
giving orders without authority from the governor or not?
But no, they conditioned supplies on having enough troops to protect the
convoy and take police control of the shelters where they delivered it.
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Nothing was stopping FEMA from suppling food, water, medicines, etc.
to the people in the Dome. Not to mention the people at the Convention
Center. The latter of which Brown said "duh, I didn't know there were
people there."

You misquoted him again.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 06 Sep 2005 08:50:11 PM
In episode <1126051683.e49c8d9b8b546e2f9b6f68f36568e302@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WKudnUDs6qhjk4PeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:

In episode <1126041700.fc9a545a1cad2bae06b401b7352bdc0c@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the logistical
challenge of moving several thousand troops and supplies for an entire
city.


You're a deceptive pile of *****. You evade that FEMA was *not moving
food and water to those people and switch to talking about troops.


I mentioned troops *and* supplies.

You're doing it deliberately because you *know the Bush administration
basically conditioned food, water, and medical supplies on total federal
control of the area.


Which way do you want it, Mark? Was Bush supposed to jump in and start
giving orders without authority from the governor or not?

But no, they conditioned supplies on having enough troops to protect the
convoy and take police control of the shelters where they delivered it.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Nothing was stopping FEMA from suppling food, water, medicines, etc. to
the people in the Dome. Not to mention the people at the Convention
Center. The latter of which Brown said "duh, I didn't know there were
people there."


You misquoted him again.

"In his last extended TV interview on CNN, Brown admitted Thursday that
the federal government did not know that thousands of survivors without
food or water had taken shelter at the city's convention center, despite a
day of news reports."
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0906Katrina-Brown-ON.html
Brown *admitted he did not know there were people there when it was all
over fucking CNN for crying out loud.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 08:07:29 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:35ydnbE0qIXM2oPeRVn-sw@megapath.net:

In episode <1126051683.e49c8d9b8b546e2f9b6f68f36568e302@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WKudnUDs6qhjk4PeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:

In episode <1126041700.fc9a545a1cad2bae06b401b7352bdc0c@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the
logistical challenge of moving several thousand troops and supplies
for an entire city.


You're a deceptive pile of *****. You evade that FEMA was *not moving
food and water to those people and switch to talking about troops.


I mentioned troops *and* supplies.

You're doing it deliberately because you *know the Bush
administration basically conditioned food, water, and medical
supplies on total federal control of the area.


Which way do you want it, Mark? Was Bush supposed to jump in and
start giving orders without authority from the governor or not?

But no, they conditioned supplies on having enough troops to protect
the convoy and take police control of the shelters where they
delivered it.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Nothing was stopping FEMA from suppling food, water, medicines, etc.
to the people in the Dome. Not to mention the people at the
Convention Center. The latter of which Brown said "duh, I didn't
know there were people there."


You misquoted him again.


"In his last extended TV interview on CNN, Brown admitted Thursday
that the federal government did not know that thousands of survivors
without food or water had taken shelter at the city's convention
center, despite a day of news reports."

Didn't anybody from the city coordinator's office tell them? Was there a
city coordinator like it says in the disaster plan, or is that another
part of the plan that wasn't followed?

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0906Katrina-Brown-ON.html

Brown *admitted he did not know there were people there when it was
all over fucking CNN for crying out loud.

I'm sure they had lots of time to spend watching the television.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 11:17:20 AM
In episode <1126098452.429f1b292f4f3415d113572f25546b13@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:35ydnbE0qIXM2oPeRVn-sw@megapath.net:

In episode <1126051683.e49c8d9b8b546e2f9b6f68f36568e302@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WKudnUDs6qhjk4PeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:

In episode <1126041700.fc9a545a1cad2bae06b401b7352bdc0c@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the logistical
challenge of moving several thousand troops and supplies for an
entire city.


You're a deceptive pile of *****. You evade that FEMA was *not moving
food and water to those people and switch to talking about troops.


I mentioned troops *and* supplies.

You're doing it deliberately because you *know the Bush administration
basically conditioned food, water, and medical supplies on total
federal control of the area.


Which way do you want it, Mark? Was Bush supposed to jump in and start
giving orders without authority from the governor or not?

But no, they conditioned supplies on having enough troops to protect
the convoy and take police control of the shelters where they delivered
it.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Nothing was stopping FEMA from suppling food, water, medicines, etc.
to the people in the Dome. Not to mention the people at the Convention
Center. The latter of which Brown said "duh, I didn't know there were
people there."


You misquoted him again.


"In his last extended TV interview on CNN, Brown admitted Thursday that
the federal government did not know that thousands of survivors without
food or water had taken shelter at the city's convention center, despite
a day of news reports."


Didn't anybody from the city coordinator's office tell them? Was there a
city coordinator like it says in the disaster plan, or is that another
part of the plan that wasn't followed?

Fred wants people to make phone calls when the entire communication
infrastructure was collapsing. Even as far away as BR, the system was
imploding on itself.
Everybody here knew there were people at the Convention Center. I knew.
Why didn't Brown?

Brown *admitted he did not know there were people there when it was all
over fucking CNN for crying out loud.


I'm sure they had lots of time to spend watching the television.

And you claim you lived through hurricanes.
If you're telling the truth that you've been through one, you know that
the primary way of getting information around is radio and over air TV.
That *everybody is told to stay tuned because phones and such systems will
be down for unknown periods of time.
So ignore the TV. 870 is the local emergency management radio station.
Brown wasn't listening to the emergency management station? He didn't have
anybody listening to the emergency managment station? Isn't he the
emergency management guy? I was listening to the emergency management
station while I was boarding up the house. I knew there were people at the
Convention Center who needed help.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 07 Sep 2005 02:25:51 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:z5ednZ2dnZ3MnczSnZ2dnRGPgt6dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@megapath.net:

In episode <1126098452.429f1b292f4f3415d113572f25546b13@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:35ydnbE0qIXM2oPeRVn-sw@megapath.net:

In episode <1126051683.e49c8d9b8b546e2f9b6f68f36568e302@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WKudnUDs6qhjk4PeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:

In episode <1126041700.fc9a545a1cad2bae06b401b7352bdc0c@teranews>,
Fred Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the
logistical challenge of moving several thousand troops and
supplies for an entire city.


You're a deceptive pile of *****. You evade that FEMA was *not
moving food and water to those people and switch to talking about
troops.


I mentioned troops *and* supplies.

You're doing it deliberately because you *know the Bush
administration basically conditioned food, water, and medical
supplies on total federal control of the area.


Which way do you want it, Mark? Was Bush supposed to jump in and
start giving orders without authority from the governor or not?

But no, they conditioned supplies on having enough troops to
protect the convoy and take police control of the shelters where
they delivered it.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Nothing was stopping FEMA from suppling food, water, medicines,
etc. to the people in the Dome. Not to mention the people at the
Convention Center. The latter of which Brown said "duh, I didn't
know there were people there."


You misquoted him again.


"In his last extended TV interview on CNN, Brown admitted Thursday
that the federal government did not know that thousands of survivors
without food or water had taken shelter at the city's convention
center, despite a day of news reports."


Didn't anybody from the city coordinator's office tell them? Was
there a city coordinator like it says in the disaster plan, or is
that another part of the plan that wasn't followed?


Fred wants people to make phone calls when the entire communication
infrastructure was collapsing. Even as far away as BR, the system was
imploding on itself.

Answer the question, Mark. Was there a city coordinator and was he in
contact with FEMA like he was supposed to be?

Everybody here knew there were people at the Convention Center. I
knew. Why didn't Brown?

He's supposed to be omniscient, maybe? Omnipotent too, I guess.

Brown *admitted he did not know there were people there when it was
all over fucking CNN for crying out loud.


I'm sure they had lots of time to spend watching the television.


And you claim you lived through hurricanes.

If you're telling the truth that you've been through one, you know
that the primary way of getting information around is radio and over
air TV. That *everybody is told to stay tuned because phones and such
systems will be down for unknown periods of time.

You're dodging the point, Mark, and it's obvious. Those are instructions
for the public. Emergency personnel need to have their own means of
communications, including two-way radio.

So ignore the TV. 870 is the local emergency management radio station.
Brown wasn't listening to the emergency management station? He didn't
have anybody listening to the emergency managment station? Isn't he
the emergency management guy? I was listening to the emergency
management station while I was boarding up the house. I knew there
were people at the Convention Center who needed help.

I'm sure that you were. I'm even more sure that Brown didn't depend on
the emergency information radio station.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 08 Sep 2005 09:08:58 PM
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:50:11 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:

In episode <1126051683.e49c8d9b8b546e2f9b6f68f36568e302@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:WKudnUDs6qhjk4PeRVn-2Q@megapath.net:

In episode <1126041700.fc9a545a1cad2bae06b401b7352bdc0c@teranews>, Fred
Stone burst into the room and exclaimed:

And they were. You seem to be grossly underestimating the logistical
challenge of moving several thousand troops and supplies for an entire
city.


You're a deceptive pile of *****. You evade that FEMA was *not moving
food and water to those people and switch to talking about troops.


I mentioned troops *and* supplies.

You're doing it deliberately because you *know the Bush administration
basically conditioned food, water, and medical supplies on total federal
control of the area.


Which way do you want it, Mark? Was Bush supposed to jump in and start
giving orders without authority from the governor or not?

But no, they conditioned supplies on having enough troops to protect the
convoy and take police control of the shelters where they delivered it.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

Nothing was stopping FEMA from suppling food, water, medicines, etc. to
the people in the Dome. Not to mention the people at the Convention
Center. The latter of which Brown said "duh, I didn't know there were
people there."


You misquoted him again.


"In his last extended TV interview on CNN, Brown admitted Thursday that
the federal government did not know that thousands of survivors without
food or water had taken shelter at the city's convention center, despite a
day of news reports."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0906Katrina-Brown-ON.html

Brown *admitted he did not know there were people there when it was all
over fucking CNN for crying out loud.

FEMA director Brown singled out by critics of federal response
Spencer S. Hsu and Susan B. Glasser
Washington Post
Sept. 6, 2005 09:54 AM
WASHINGTON - Michael Brown has been called the accidental director of
the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), caricatured as the
failed head of an Arabian sporting horse group who was plucked from
obscurity to become President Bush's point man for the worst natural
disaster in U.S. history.
Amid the swirl of human misery along the Gulf Coast, Brown admitted
initially underestimating the impact of Hurricane Katrina, whose winds
and water swamped the agency's preparations. As the nation reeled at
images of the calamity, he appeared to blame storm victims by noting
that the crisis was worsened by New Orleans residents who did not
comply with a mandatory evacuation order.
By last weekend, facing mounting calls for his resignation, he told
reporters: "People want to lash out at me, lash out at FEMA. I think
that's fine. Just lash out, because my job is to continue to save
lives." More broadly, the 50-year-old Oklahoma lawyer and the agency
he leads have become the focus of a broad reappraisal of U.S. homeland
security efforts four years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
In recent days, politicians and officials in both parties have derided
Brown's qualifications to head the nation's chief disaster-response
agency - as well as the performance of the agency and its federal,
state and local partners.
At a time when homeland security experts called for greater domestic
focus on preparing for calamity, Brown faced years of funding cuts,
personnel departures and FEMA's downgrading from an independent,
Cabinet-level agency.
As recently as three weeks ago, state emergency managers urged
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and his deputy, Michael
Jackson, to ease the department's focus on terrorism, warning that the
shift away from traditional disaster management left FEMA a
bureaucratic backwater less able to respond to natural events such as
hurricanes and earthquakes.
The Times-Picayune, Louisiana's largest newspaper, published an open
letter on Sunday to President Bush, calling for every FEMA official to
be fired, "Director Michael Brown especially," joining critics in the
state and Congress.
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long after our beloved
city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry," the editorial
said. "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were
not. That's to the government's shame. ... No expense should have been
spared. No excuses should have been voiced."
Brown's defenders say he is the scapegoat of a cataclysmic storm and
failure of New Orleans' levee system that, in the words of President
Bush and Chertoff, could not be foreseen.
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," Bush said Friday during a
tour of the state, a day before Chertoff voiced his confidence.
"It's easy to play the blame game, find a scapegoat, but no one person
could be responsible for the challenges we face and the lives lost,"
said Craig Fugate, emergency management director for Florida, where
Bush's brother is governor, who worked with FEMA through four
hurricanes in 2004. He said state and local authorities share
responsibility for the death toll likely to emerge in coming days.
Joe Allbaugh - a college friend, former Bush campaign manager and past
FEMA director who hired Brown as FEMA general counsel in 2001 -
offered a qualified defense.
Allbaugh called the government's overall performance "unacceptable"
but added: "Blaming one agency, you cannot do that." Still, he
acknowledged that FEMA had lost independence and clout with the White
House. "I had a unique relationship with the president, having been
his chief of staff," Allbaugh said. "If you don't have that kind of
relationship, it just makes things tougher."
If anything, Brown's political background has become a liability,
leading to charges that he was given his job as patronage. He got his
start in politics as an Oklahoma native with Allbaugh but ran
unsuccessfully for Congress in 1988, winning 27 percent of the vote.
He has chaired the Oklahoma Municipal Power Authority and served as a
City Council member, examiner for the Oklahoma and Colorado supreme
courts, and assistant city manager.
Allbaugh hired Brown after an acrimonious end to a nine-year stint as
commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association. Former
officials say he was forced out; a friend and lawyer of Brown's said
he negotiated a settlement after withstanding numerous lawsuits
against his enforcement of rules for judges and stewards.
Defending his qualifications, Brown said he has overseen responses to
164 presidential declared emergencies and disasters as FEMA counsel
and general counsel, including the 2003 Columbia shuttle disaster and
the California wildfires in 2003. "I have been through a few
disasters," he said at a news conference Monday.
Reviews of the government's response to Katrina are beginning.
Already, members of Congress such as Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., and
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., are pushing to move FEMA out of
its department and back to Cabinet-level status. Senate Homeland
Security Committee Chairman Susan Collins, R-Maine, and ranking
Democrat Joseph Lieberman (Conn.) have launched an investigation.
While Chertoff said the levee breach that flooded New Orleans
"exceeded the foresight of planners," Max Mayfield, director of the
National Hurricane Center, said Brown and other top federal officials
were briefed as much as 32 hours in advance of landfall that Hurricane
Katrina's storm surge was likely to overtop levees and cause
catastrophic flooding.
"They knew that this one was different," Mayfield said Monday. "I
don't think Mike Brown or anyone else in FEMA could have any reason to
have any problem with our calls. ... They were told. ... We said the
levees could be topped."
Louisiana officials have blamed FEMA and Brown for bureaucratic
bottlenecks, accusing FEMA of ignoring pre-storm offers of aid from
Chicago Mayor Richard Daley (D), New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D)
and the American Ambulance Association.
In his last extended TV interview on CNN, Brown admitted Thursday that
the federal government did not know that thousands of survivors
without food or water had taken shelter at the city's convention
center, despite a day of news reports.
Since then, Brown has been eclipsed by his boss, Chertoff - who flew
overnight Sunday to take charge of integrating military with civilian
efforts - and by a new deputy, U.S. Coast Guard Vice Admiral Thad
Allen, whom Chertoff named Monday to take charge of federal recovery
efforts in New Orleans.
Bruce Baughman, Alabama emergency management director, head of the
National Emergency Management Association and the official in charge
of FEMA's response to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks in
2001, said Katrina will leave its mark on federal disaster management.
"It's time to realize, whoever is in charge of FEMA does need an
emergency management background. ... It's something you learn by
experience, and a lot of that experience is gone," he said.
/end article
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 09 Sep 2005 12:48:19 PM
In <elr1i1dn0euc4md8g8kqcnt1i25tu3scbd@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," Bush said Friday during a tour of
the state, a day before Chertoff voiced his confidence.

Watch Brown get a medal. All the ***** up failures in the Bush
administration get medals...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 09 Sep 2005 01:38:36 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:teWdnZq55fpEV7zeRVn-qw@megapath.net...

In <elr1i1dn0euc4md8g8kqcnt1i25tu3scbd@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," Bush said Friday during a tour

of

the state, a day before Chertoff voiced his confidence.


Watch Brown get a medal. All the ***** up failures in the Bush
administration get medals...

Haven't you heard? He's been removed from his post.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 09 Sep 2005 05:33:07 PM
In <3oe38gF5idv5U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:teWdnZq55fpEV7zeRVn-qw@megapath.net...

In <elr1i1dn0euc4md8g8kqcnt1i25tu3scbd@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," Bush said Friday during a
tour

of

the state, a day before Chertoff voiced his confidence.


Watch Brown get a medal. All the ***** up failures in the Bush
administration get medals...


Haven't you heard? He's been removed from his post.

I saw. I'm shocked. The Bushies have never done that before...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 09 Sep 2005 07:54:07 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:6bydnQJX7ucEkL_eRVn-rQ@megapath.net...

In <3oe38gF5idv5U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:teWdnZq55fpEV7zeRVn-qw@megapath.net...

In <elr1i1dn0euc4md8g8kqcnt1i25tu3scbd@4ax.com>, stoney <stoney@the.net>
wrote:

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," Bush said Friday during a
tour

of

the state, a day before Chertoff voiced his confidence.


Watch Brown get a medal. All the ***** up failures in the Bush
administration get medals...


Haven't you heard? He's been removed from his post.


I saw. I'm shocked. The Bushies have never done that before...

Brown still runs FEMA. He's just not running the rescue efforts
in New Orleans anymore. Some general is.


--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB

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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Governor Blanco Failed To Act 09 Sep 2005 09:11:01 PM
In <-vOdnZ2dnZ2CDnD0nZ2dnT6zv96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@comcast.com>, "Michelle
Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:



"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In <3oe38gF5idv5U1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:


"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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