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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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21 Jan 2005 11:57:46 PM |
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GPS Trackers perfectly legal |
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/01/17/gps_spying_may_prove_irresistible_to_police/
Activists who oppose the Scientology crime syndicate may wish to
take notice of the judicial ruling referenced in the above article.
Anyone may legally plant a GPS tracking device in anyone's vehicle
since the judge ruled that there is no expectation of privacy when
traveling on public roads.
So if activists wanted to track crime bosses to see which
politicians they meet with, it seems they may do so -- and then
make the data available in public. (I'd love to see real-time
GPS tracking information on some well known criminal lawyer's
movements being real-timed to a web site complete with map.
Then it would be easy to see which politicians or police leaders
are on the take.)
But it also means that Scientology criminals may plant devices in
law-abiding activist's vehicles with legal impunity -- unless, of
course, one can prove the crooks are malicious criminals, which
shouldn't be too difficult.
http://www.notserver.com/ contains schematics and a theory of
operation on a GPS jammer that effectivly thwarts GPS trackers
placed in one's vehicle by criminals.
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Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
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| User: "Scientology - Church of the Brain Dead" |
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| Title: Re: GPS Trackers perfectly legal |
22 Jan 2005 02:58:27 AM |
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Dang... guess that means I have to limit my secret rendevous' with
Paris Hilton.
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| User: "Barbara Schwarz" |
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27 Jan 2005 06:32:13 PM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Frederic Rice has a mind like a SEGNPMSS mindcontroller.
He is a crazy and fanatical guy, he would use that device to stalk
people.
Barbara Schwarz
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28 Jan 2005 09:42:04 AM |
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Barbara Schwarz wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Frederic Rice has a mind like a SEGNPMSS mindcontroller.
He is a crazy and fanatical guy, he would use that device to stalk
people.
Barbara Schwarz
ROTFL.
Sorry Barbara if I laugh my ***** off, did you say "crazy and fanatical"?
http://www.fas.org/sgp/foia/schwarz.html
Halt endlich die Klappe, bl=F6de Kuh.
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| User: "Barbara Schwarz" |
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28 Jan 2005 12:50:29 PM |
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*Plonk* for primitive SEGNPMSS troll LUZ.
Apparently, criminal Garry Scarff needs help trying to intimidate me
and deny my freedom of speech, and now they hired another pervert to
stalk me.
They are so desperate. :)
Barbara Schwarz
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| User: "Eudaemonic Plague" |
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28 Jan 2005 02:06:17 PM |
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"Barbara Schwarz" <barbara.schwarz@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106938229.540348.125570@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
: *Plonk* for primitive SEGNPMSS troll LUZ.
: Apparently, criminal Garry Scarff needs help trying to intimidate me
: and deny my freedom of speech, and now they hired another pervert to
: stalk me.
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: They are so desperate. :)
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: Barbara Schwarz
Oh dear, Bowwow the ***** is still scratching at her hide. What dark
secrets do you hide, 'schwarz'? In another ng, Tina Hall gets
accusations of being a bot....but you're so much more bot-like.
Eccchhh.....nasty bot-breath.
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| User: "Pathetic Crybaby Schwarz" |
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02 Feb 2005 04:46:25 AM |
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Keep dreaming, delusional one.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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01 Feb 2005 09:19:56 PM |
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On 28 Jan 2005 10:50:29 -0800, "Barbara Schwarz"
<barbara.schwarz@gmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
*Plonk* for primitive SEGNPMSS troll LUZ.
Apparently, criminal Garry Scarff needs help trying to intimidate me
and deny my freedom of speech, and now they hired another pervert to
stalk me.
They are so desperate. :)
I guess some paranoids DO really have enemies.
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"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Proud to be psychotic Barbara Schwanz" |
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27 Jan 2005 08:06:21 PM |
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This Barbara Schwarz forger has a mind like a SMEGAPUTZ mindcontroller.
She is a crazy and delusional cow, she would use that device to kill
people.
The Real Barbara Schwanz
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28 Jan 2005 03:29:55 PM |
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Garry Lynn Scarff is a criminal. He posts with e-mail address
Garry90...@yahoo.com and forges, impostors, attacks, threatens,
maliciously defames, libels, and lies about me almost on a daily basis
with numerous stolen or insulting "identities" on usenet.
The LAPD still investigates that man under file number 04-4693.
However, this fact has not made Scarff to live a lawful life. He
continues with his crime spree against me and commits further
forgeries, threats, and also published malicious libel and defamation
about me.
Scarff is a nobody on his own and tries to become famous by attaching
himself painfully and criminally to me.
Barbara Schwarz
GARRY SCARFF IN HIS OWN DANGEROUS WORDS:
"Actually, she (Barbara Schwarz) needs a baseball bat right in the
kisser.
Garry Scarff to Barbara Schwarz: "I'd like to shoot one...you!"
Garry Scarff to Barbara Schwarz: "I want you to shovel your decrepit,
old smelly body to the I-15 and
run in front of a truck during rush hour traffic."
Garry Scarff to Barbara Schwarz:"You should walk in front of a speeding
train so we have something to celebrate."
Garry Scarff trying to find support by others in his plan to murder me:
"Curious...if I were to go to Salt Lake City and dump a bucket of water
on her head, would The Schwartz melt?"
Garry Scarff to Barbara Schwarz: "I want you to die, too, you mentally
retarded *****, but you just won't listen."
Garry Scarff about Barbara Schwarz: "This lunatic should kill run in
front of a speeding bus, so we all can have something to laugh at and
celebrate."
Garry Scarff to Barbara Schwarz: "I've had quite enough of your
psychotic rantings, you dumb *****. Shut up now or face the
consequences. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. There won't be a second. Clean up
your act or face the music. A trip to Salt Lake City is
forthcoming...."
Garry Scarff to Barbara Schwarz: "If there is an explosion,
PsychoticBarb... I hope you're in it."
Garry Scarff posted with the name "Boobara" but he also approaches
Barbara Schwarz with that name and indicated his plans to kidnap: "Pack
your bags, Boobara. You're going to be making a little trip."
"Better yet, Bob, why don't you fetch an armload of really heavy books
and walk over to Barbara (Schwarz) when she's at a computer and
whoops....accidentially trip and drop the books on her head...hell..."
"You're very lucky there's 2000 miles between us, Beebe. You'd either
be dead or in ICU."
Garry Scarff: "Yup! I AM SATAN, HEAR ME ROAR!"
Garry Scarff: "...my college grades dropped and I was suspended for 6
months from college for receiving one credit out of the required 12 for
the term."
Garry Scarff: "D.E. and others are correct if that I have not been a
Scientologist..."
Garry Scarff: "I was 'friend' with Scientology, yet going to cult
education forums with the Greeks and trashing Scientology."
Garry Scarff: "I...was even invited as special friend by Ann Greek to
accompany them to Canada for the purposes of kidnapping their
daughter...I accompanied the Greeks and another deprogrammer, Diane
Benscoter to Candada but the effort was unsuccessful."
Garry Scarff: "The sexual incident involving deprogrammer Bob
Brandybury did occur though Anne Greek begged me not to report it as a
crime."
Garry Scarff: "I rather lick you."
Garry Scarff:" Have a short life, Zanebutt".
Garry Scarff: "Don't make me send my henchman back over there to bloody
your nose."
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There are some others who figured something about lying Garry Scarff
out. He apparently defrauded money from a university by accusing
somebody wrongfully of having assaulted him.
He also made up that he is a Jew to get the university money by playing
the race card. Scarff was unable to provide any evidence that he is
Jewish. That is father died during the Jonestown tragedy was also a
fabrication, so is just about anything that this man says and posts.
I wonder who employes Garry Scarff now. Who would be so dumb and hire a
lawless man like that?
In year 2001, reporter Scott B. Wong of the Daily Bruin Staff wrote
amongst others things that Scarff brought a case of battery and
wrongful determination against his university manager, Salwa Ayoub, and
that he struck him in the face with a collections file Sept. 20.
But the the UC Board of Regents maintains that Scarff's allegations are
incredible. "We don't agree that the claim is valid and that the
description of the facts are accurate," said Christopher Patti,
university counsel for the UC Regents.
I agree. The way I know Scarff, he just fabricated that to relatiate
and destort. The L.A. City attorney rejected Scarff case. Suspicious is
also that Scarff brought not immediately charges against the
university, but nine days later, He apparently needed time to figure
out how to frame his manger and the university by making those charges
up and by also wrongfully that he would be a Jew. He has a criminal
mind.
GARRY SCARFF, THE THIEF OF FUNDS:
Garry Scarff stole stole 70% of donations of the Positive Action
Center. Something tells me that he did not do that out of hunger but
because he has a criminal mind.
GARRY SCARFF, AND THE MISUSE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EQUIPMENT:
The affidavit of lawyer Graham Berry of April 4, 2004 indicates that
Garry Scarff unlawfully used law enforcement computer network to
retrieve info about juvenile. My question, is there any crime that this
Scarff has not committed sofar? He should be locked up.
GARRY SCARFF, THE PERJURER:
There are numerous information on the net that Garry Scarff lied in his
deposition in the Fishman/Geertz case.
Saying the truth under oath means nothing to criminal Scarff.
MORE GARRY SCARFF PERJURY:
Garry Scarff recants the content of his declarations given to Michael
Rinder, Elliott Abelson and David Long during the July 4, 1997 weekend.
(A court accepting an affidavit of notorious liar Scarff is losing all
credibility.)
GARRY SCARFF, COMFORTABLE WITH LYING TO OTHERS FOR A LIVING:
C. Brennan wrote: "You forgot to mention that Garry Scarff is the guy
that used to be paid by the Cult Awareness Network to lie to potential
money sources for CAN and tell them his poor daddy died in Jonestown
(he said it used to bring tears to people's eyes,and green out of
people's pocketbooks, I guess he was convincing). Only problem was his
father was alive and well and living in Florida. CAN toured him all
over the country telling that story for quite a while, I guess they got
some good mileage out of it. It seems that Gary's comfortable with
lying to others for a living, don't know who is paying him now."
GARRY SCARFF, THE VIOLENT MAN
Violent Garry Scarff about an missed opportunity to have him arrested:
"My heated emotions to one female counterpicketer gave away and I
grabbed her by the throat and flung her to the ground in full view of a
Scientologist with a rolling videocamera."
MORE ABOUT GARRY SCARFF, THE DEATH THREAT MAKER:
His apology was simply part of the usual Scarff cycle. Still "valid" is
also his promise to kill me. -- T. H.
....but I see he (Garry Scarff) has progressed to making death threats
against me in a desperate plea for my attention. Something about
shooting me in the head? Someone e-mailed it to me; I missed the posted
thread. -- M.H.
And yeah, I know you (Garry Scarff) are dangerous...I know you can
easily mock up being really insane and take me out with your insanity
defense all nicely in place. -- G.A.
I would suggest to those who know Garry in LA that you should be
careful...So my advice to everyone: never never never never tell Garry
Scarff anything.... Remember, that is what drives his sick mind - he
wants to be known, looked at and to be listened to. -- T.H.
You are a liar, Garry. We have met. -- W.
So, Garry Scarff was Jewish for a short time. He was also a Mormon in
the past, until he filed a lawsuit. Maybe he'll file a lawsuit against
that "Weho" church (which claims to be Christian) too, or has already.
-- T.H.
Garry Scarff is a know liar. -- L .F.
I believe that Scarff did not just know about the sexual abuse of the
kidnap victim but that he participated in the abuse. -- Barbara Schwarz
Scarff worked for both sides and cried, when he was caught. -- T.H.
GARRY SCARFF, AND INSANITY THAT RUNS IN HIS FAMILY?
Garry's brother allegedly killed himself with a gun.
I just believe that Garry has nothing to do with that if he has an fool
proof alibi that he was not near his brother at that time.
ROLL OVER FATHER JOHN GEOGHAN, HERE COMES GARRY SCARFF:
I learned that the Catholic Church did not take godless gay Garry
Scarff, who wanted to become a catholic "priest". Knowing Scarff, the
only reason why he would have wanted to join is because of the
homosexual activities of that church. That is likely the only reason
he became member in WEHO, his gay pick up "church" place in which they
drug and rape according to WEHO ex-members.
I thought the Catholic Church hires just about any perverted creep.
Scarff is apparently so perverted that even that church does not want
him. If they would have, who knows how many little boys rightfully
would sue father Scarff.
GARRY SCARFF, THE SPY:
Scarff:" I lied to F. and feigned an emotional outburst complete with
tears, screaming... The ploy worked as F. apologized to me... I availed
myself to his aonfidential (sic) legal records and legal files of his
clients..."
GARRY SCARFF, and his questionable diet: "Agreed that the Mormon when
(sic) look like they belong on a dairy farm, but some of the young
missionaries are yummy!"
MORE COMPLAINTS BY OTHERS ABOUT GARRY SCARFF:
Graham has his own ***** to cover since Scarff gave him reams of other
false statements about alleged murder plots and so on...Berry will have
serious problems trying to make Scarff's former statements under oath
old up. -- H.C.
Garry Scarff deliberately lied about his background while he was an
active member of CAN. He claimed his father and other family members
were killed in Jonestown -- when he actually didn't know anyone in
Jonestown or have any involvement with the People's Temple. He served
as CAN's poster boy for awhile, all based on his fabricated experiences
with Jim Jones. After CAN was embarrassed by Scarff's lies and turned
against him, Scarff then proceeded to claim he had infiltrated CAN as a
GO/OSA operative. Outside of Scarff's own assertions, I've seen no
indication that this is any more true than his lies about his
Jonestown connections. Scarff told the Moonies that CAN was making
death threats to try to keep him quiet. Scarff told the Moonies that,
as a member of CAN, he had been involved in activities that included
theft and burglary against them.
This is the guy whose "sworn affidavits" many people use to "prove"
that the CoS is a criminal organization. We're taking Scarff's
unsubstantiated word for things like the drowning of Judge Swearinger's
dog Duke, Moxon's order to have Cynthia Kisser and her
mythical daughter killed, etc. Is it really wise for anyone to place so
much trust in Scarff's unsubstantiated accusations?
Now, thanks to Scarff himself, we learn that he didn't end his career
as a prevaricator when he lost his contact with CAN and various cults.
He attempted to scam the Roman Catholic Church out of a settlement for
what he himself admits was a bogus claim that he was sexually harrassed
by a Catholic bishop. -- D. R.
It is well known that Garry Scarff can't be trusted...Garry is not
worthy of our trust. -- H.C.R.
Garry Scarff has been caught in lies and deceipt time and time again. I
only wish I could post half of the stuff which clearly shows the misery
that Scarff brought to lots of people. -- J.B.
Garry Scarff is a psychopath, and a loony is not an adequate word to
describe him. Scarff is a danger not only to himself, but to anyone who
trust him too... -- T.H.
For your information, when Garry (Scarff) was with CAN he was telling
everyone that his family had died in Jonestown and was making these
statements to the media. Come to find out, it was not true in the
slightest. If the alleged murder plots were true why didn't he go to
the police? -- H.C.
Perhaps you forget about the numerous little con-games he's been caught
playing here? I continue to spit in his (Scarff's) direction. -- Z.T.
Garry Scarff is not a Scientology victim, he is a mentally ill guy...
-- T.H.
Is this guy (Garry Scarff) for real or does he just need to lay off the
hemp? Sounds like he's suffering from the Reality Inversion as Robert
Vaughn Young. -- T.J.
He (Scarff) has admitted to the things he has done and said, and he has
admitted being unstable. --J.B.
Have you ever seen Garry Scarff apologize for his deprogramming
activities here, or anything else for that matter? -- D. R.
Garry's mental problem is that he cannot accept people contradicting
him. -- T. H.
Scarff has already underminded any use he has in litigation for either
side because he lied so much. -- H.C.
And now you've become a forger as well. Go ahead Garry, and forge hate
messages. Go ahead, lie all you want. Go ahead and be cruel. Go ahead
and deny that your're doing what you're doing. -- G.A.
You (Garry Scarff) surface with your attacks and pornographic postings
and each time that you do I will release more info on you, who Lynn
Garrett really is, how Lynn Garrett makes his living, how Garry Scarff
became Lynn Garrett, vice versa. How Garry Scarff has accused at least
six individuals of homosexual attacks. -- J.B.
All I can say is that Scarff -- and the conflicting declarations he's
made in the past -- is what led me to become very skeptical of anyone's
claim of past abuse from cults, whether they've been sworn to under
penality or not. There may be some people willing to pick and choose
from Scarff's statement, selecting what they wish to beleive and
labelling as lies anything they don't wish to believe. I tend to think
that anyone so willing to change sides so often, for whatecver reason,
has list all hope of credibility. -- D. R.
I am a 100 percent convinced that no Scientologist told infiltrator
Garry Scarff to kill people, but that is all a product of this criminal
and mentally retarded mind. -- Barbara Schwarz
BTW, for those who don't know Garry Scarff, he is a pathological
liar...Garry lies continually about the "celebrities" he encounters. He
pretended to be a Jonestown survivor. -- G.A.
I have Scarff killfiled and so I don't see_his_posts, dear whatever. --
Z.
And auto-attack drones like Garry Scarff, whose only learned skills
seem to
be anonymous posts, hiding behind spam merchants, and selling critics'
email
addresses to kiddy-porn sites. -- S.G.
Placing him (Scarff) in a killfile as probably 100 ars regulars have
done. Anyway, ars sure is a different place without him hanging around.
Must say I like it. :) *No one* makes as much noise as this deseased
creep... -- M.H.
FACTNet's archives include Garry Scarff's deposition revealing what he
claimed was a meeting with Moxon, Ingram, and others in which he swore
under penalty of perjury that all sorts of nefarious and illegal
schemes were plotted. FACTNet never reveals Garry Scarff's incredibly
checkered past history of flip-flopping between the battling cultists
and anticultists, or his ready admission that he's fabricated stories
from whole cloth (like his parents' death at Jonestown) in the past.
In Scarff's case, it wasn't just OSA who tried to warn readers about
Scarff's lack of credibility. -- D. R.
Scarff is active member of the gay WeHo "church", that according to
Scarff applaudes Scarff's lawless behavior against me. An ex-WeHo
member wrote me that this "church" sanctions and promotes dishonorable
behavior and that he and his friends were raped and drugged by one of
their active members, and that one of their active members murdered
others under the guise of "drug overdose". The ex-WeHo wrote that the
gay men make sexual innuendo during sermon and "church" leadership, as
their "Pastor" Terry Brewer, doesn't see what's wrong with that.
All that and more is documented on the Internet. You can go to the
Google newsgroups and check yourself. He posts with
dicktop_stud@mindless.com (Dicktop_Stud); with Papa Boner; with
Cindarella and the seven dwarfs, with GarryS, with Barbara Schwarz is a
notorious psychotic liar, an identity stealer, an ugly cow, and a
disgrace to the human race (BoobaraSchwarz@emailaccount.com); with with
e-mail address and identities
"Barbara_Schwarz"; "the real Barbara Schwarz de Rothschild"; "Truth
Speaker 2"; and with ID Still_lying_about_Marty and "Scientology, cult
for the brainless", despite clear that nobody is more brainless and
hypocritical than he is. None of those posting is by me, the real
Barbara Schwarz, nor do I post under Babbling.Barbara.Schwarz and
e-mail address theonewhoisadelusionalpsychopath@emailaccount.com. I
posted first with ID "Guess who"? and e-mail account
theonewhoshallnotspeakout@emailaccount untill he stole again my
identity and posts now also with identity "Guess who" and with e-mail
account "theonewhoisadelusionalliar". He also stole the identity of
Mark Rathbun or Marty Rathbun (mrathbun@scientology.org). Garry
Scarff's sexual harassment, insults, libel, persecution, harassment,
abuse, threats and cyber stalking of me, Barbara Schwarz, are under
different Google identities on the net. Scarff uses e-mail accounts and
posting identities with my name in it or a name similar as my name to
commit those crimes against me, but they can be all traced to him.
Interesting however is that he did not want to state his own address to
a court as he was afraid that he could himself come to harm. If he
fears criminality by not even tell the court where he lives, how come
he posts over and over my address on the net and lies that people would
get sexual services at my address and that there is a Hitler fan club
at my address? Scarff persecutes me from usenet thread to thread often
using my name as identity for his crimes (!) and verbally assaults me,
threatens me, harasses me, sexually harasses me, tries to intimidate
me, libels, insults and lies about me. He furthermore lied that he
spoke to a roommate of mine in the Utah mental health hospital. I never
was in that hospital, but he probably escaped from one.
Scarff is the ultimate lawless and dangerous scum and police needs to
arrest him and lock him up.
Barbara Schwarz
Proud to be psychotic Barbara Schwanz wrote:
This Barbara Schwarz forger has a mind like a SMEGAPUTZ
mindcontroller.
She is a crazy and delusional cow, she would use that device to kill
people.
The Real Barbara Schwanz
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28 Jan 2005 04:57:21 PM |
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On 28 Jan 2005, wrote:
anonymous.informer@gmail.com wrote:
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Scarff wrote:
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Unsettled Schwarz wrote:
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My dainty donut, why do you spend so much time on Scarff? He doesn't eat
tangerines.
Farty Ratbum
Still Loving Barbara's Burgers
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22 Jan 2005 01:20:35 AM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:57:46 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/01/17/gps_spying_may_prove_irresistible_to_police/
Activists who oppose the Scientology crime syndicate may wish to
take notice of the judicial ruling referenced in the above article.
Anyone may legally plant a GPS tracking device in anyone's vehicle
since the judge ruled that there is no expectation of privacy when
traveling on public roads.
The ruling is that the POLICE have the right to track vehicles, not
that a private citizen has the right to connect any devices to your
car.
Of course you have the right to drive in such way that the receiver
gets destroyed, too. Oops. Sorry about that. How was I to know that
you had placed an expensive GPS tracker under my car?
http://www.notserver.com/ contains schematics and a theory of
operation on a GPS jammer that effectivly thwarts GPS trackers
placed in one's vehicle by criminals.
Which can't be built by the average hobbyist. (The article probably
can't even be understood by most average hobbyists.)
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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22 Jan 2005 01:35:00 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:57:46 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/01/17/gps_spying_may_prove_irresistible_to_police/
Activists who oppose the Scientology crime syndicate may wish to
take notice of the judicial ruling referenced in the above article.
Anyone may legally plant a GPS tracking device in anyone's vehicle
since the judge ruled that there is no expectation of privacy when
traveling on public roads.
The ruling is that the POLICE have the right to track vehicles, not
that a private citizen has the right to connect any devices to your
car.
The don't believe that the ruling made such a distinction -- unless you
found a court document that specifically designates the ruling as applying
solely to police officers. The question was the status of evidence; the
police were within the evidenciary laws, is how I interpreted the ruling.
If you found any documents, I'd love to add them to my web site. I'm
thinking that eventually GPS jamming will be a specifically stated offense
in most states shortly.
Of course you have the right to drive in such way that the receiver
gets destroyed, too. Oops. Sorry about that. How was I to know that
you had placed an expensive GPS tracker under my car?
They get sold on eBay when they're discovered. }:-}
An audio recording device also activated by a pager was retrieved from
an activist's air conditioning duct and in that instance the agency
that planted it asked for it back. A Judge was asked to make the
determination on who owned the device and ruled in the favor of the
resident whose house it was discovered in. (I have photographs of
that device somewhere on one of my web sites.)
http://www.notserver.com/ contains schematics and a theory of
operation on a GPS jammer that effectivly thwarts GPS trackers
placed in one's vehicle by criminals.
Which can't be built by the average hobbyist. (The article probably
can't even be understood by most average hobbyists.)
Probably. Back when Heathkit used to be popular, the populace was
probably better able to lay ot a board.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Jan 2005 05:40:06 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:35:00 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
An audio recording device also activated by a pager was retrieved from
an activist's air conditioning duct and in that instance the agency
that planted it asked for it back. A Judge was asked to make the
determination on who owned the device and ruled in the favor of the
resident whose house it was discovered in. (I have photographs of
that device somewhere on one of my web sites.)
Placed without a warrant? Criminal trespass.
http://www.notserver.com/ contains schematics and a theory of
operation on a GPS jammer that effectivly thwarts GPS trackers
placed in one's vehicle by criminals.
Which can't be built by the average hobbyist. (The article probably
can't even be understood by most average hobbyists.)
Probably. Back when Heathkit used to be popular, the populace was
probably better able to lay ot a board.
No, the average hobbyist in those days had to use the "How to solder"
instructions that came with the kits. Lay out a board? Taping? Even
most engineers left that to specialists. (I built dozens of Heath
kits, Eico kits, Knight kits, so I do have a little experience with
kit building.)
Today you can download a free program that generates a wirelist if you
just put the components on the board. But tuning something at 1500
MHz is beyond the capability of most people. Even understanding how a
PLL works, or how the noise modulates the signal, is. And if you
don't understand those things you aren't going to get a low powered
narrow band transmitter tuned closely enough to have it do any useful
jamming. (Forgetting that most people don't have access to a 1.5 GHz
spectrum analyzer or accurate counter.)
Make it high powered and broad band? The FCC will grant you free room
and board for 10 years for doing that - if other government agencies
don't get to you first.
It's a nice idea, but I prefer to check my car. If I find a GPS
receiver attached to it, I'll just add it to the collection. (I have
3 of them so far. The Navman PPC sleeve is nice.)
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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24 Jan 2005 08:15:11 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 05:57:46 GMT, (Fredric L.
Rice) said in alt.atheism:
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/01/17/gps_spying_may_prove_irresistible_to_police/
Activists who oppose the Scientology crime syndicate may wish to
take notice of the judicial ruling referenced in the above article.
Anyone may legally plant a GPS tracking device in anyone's vehicle
since the judge ruled that there is no expectation of privacy when
traveling on public roads.
The ruling is that the POLICE have the right to track vehicles, not
that a private citizen has the right to connect any devices to your
car.
Of course you have the right to drive in such way that the receiver
gets destroyed, too. Oops. Sorry about that. How was I to know that
you had placed an expensive GPS tracker under my car?
For that matter, I would think discovery of a GPS tracker on your car gives you legal grounds to destroy
the tracker. I would love to see a case where some one places a tracker, then takes the car's owner to
court for "destruction of personal property" when that person removes it and renders it inoperable.
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and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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24 Jan 2005 03:00:44 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:15:11 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
said in alt.atheism:
For that matter, I would think discovery of a GPS tracker on your car gives you legal grounds to destroy
the tracker.
Unless placed there under the terms of a court order, it gives you
legal possession of the device. Destroy it, use it, sell it on ebay -
your choice.
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| User: "friendship" |
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26 Jan 2005 06:57:46 PM |
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Dear Al,
If someone placed one of these on my car where would I look for it?
What are the usual places? And the device itself -- how large is it
usually and what does it look like? Is it held on with magnets?
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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26 Jan 2005 09:29:56 PM |
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In article <1106787466.228135.273130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
friendship <friendship@ureach.com> wrote:
Dear Al,
If someone placed one of these on my car where would I look for it?
What are the usual places? And the device itself -- how large is it
usually and what does it look like? Is it held on with magnets?
Any questions.
--
Lady Chatterly
"Are you replying to me, or to the Bot known as Lady Chatterly? A
rather well put together version of the old computer Liza artificial
personality." -- Gunner
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| User: "johnebravo836" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:15:21 AM |
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friendship wrote:
Dear Al,
If someone placed one of these on my car where would I look for it?
What are the usual places? And the device itself -- how large is it
usually and what does it look like? Is it held on with magnets?
Apparently, they're about the size of a book, and can be attached to the
undercarriage of a car with magnets. (Of course, it could also be hidden
in the trunk, under seats, etc.)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2005 02:25:41 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:21 -0500, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Apparently, they're about the size of a book, and can be attached to the
undercarriage of a car with magnets. (Of course, it could also be hidden
in the trunk, under seats, etc.)
Not really, unless they mount an antenna somewhere else. (The device
has to be able to see at least 3 satellite signals at 1.5 GHz at all
times to be even minimally useful.)
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stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
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| User: "johnebravo836" |
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27 Jan 2005 03:25:04 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:21 -0500, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Apparently, they're about the size of a book, and can be attached to the
undercarriage of a car with magnets. (Of course, it could also be hidden
in the trunk, under seats, etc.)
Not really, unless they mount an antenna somewhere else. (The device
has to be able to see at least 3 satellite signals at 1.5 GHz at all
times to be even minimally useful.)
That may be. However, a description of one case that I've seen says
several times that the device was hidden *in* the vehicle:
http://www.theempirejournal.com/courts_hold_warrant_needed_in_po.htm
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2005 04:29:25 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:25:04 -0500, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
Not really, unless they mount an antenna somewhere else. (The device
has to be able to see at least 3 satellite signals at 1.5 GHz at all
times to be even minimally useful.)
That may be. However, a description of one case that I've seen says
several times that the device was hidden *in* the vehicle:
Have you ever used a GPS receiver in a vehicle? It doesn't work when
the antenna's not able to see the sky. I have three totally different
kinds of GPS receiver and they all work that way. And my engineering
experience tells me that this is normal.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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27 Jan 2005 04:47:17 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:25:04 -0500, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
That may be. However, a description of one case that I've seen says
several times that the device was hidden *in* the vehicle:
http://www.theempirejournal.com/courts_hold_warrant_needed_in_po.htm
It says, "... Inv. Lloyd Swartz had placed a transponder repeater box
in the pickup truck of the informant’s roommate ..."
A "transponder repeater box" is not a GPS receiver.
"Police agencies across the country are increasingly turning to such
devices for surveillance and eavesdropping on citizens, relying on
orbiting satellites and cellular phone networks to pinpoint their
targets."
Sounds like a GPS-enabled cellular phone. That's not a GPS receiver.
Not that it changes the legal status of putting one on or in a car.
"In a May, 2004, ruling, Nassau County Court Judge Joseph C. Calabrese
held that both the Fourth Amendment and Article 1, Section 12 of the
New York State Constitution protect a person from a warrantless
search of his effects extending to the attaching of a GPS device on a
vehicle. 'Simply, this amounts to a search and seizure', Calabrese
held in People v. Lacey."
That's one court heard from (and in the county adjacent to the one in
which I live).
"The Court also relied on an Oregon case in which it was held that
Oregon’s constitutional protection against warrantless searches and
seizures focuses on the right to privacy is not defined by technology
and that a warrant was required prior to the installation of a GPS
device on a vehicle, holding that the right to privacy was 'an
interest in freedom from particular forms of scrutiny' and that the
installation of a GPS device was a 'significant limitation on freedom
from scrutiny' and 'a staggering limitation on personal freedom'”.
And another.
"In a Florida case, a warrant was issued permitting a single tracking
device to be installed on an airplane. The police not only installed
this device, but a second backup device in case the first failed. The
inevitable occurred when the first device failed and the second was
used. The Court suppressed the evidence obtained through the second
device, holding that its installation was 'tantamount to an illegal
entry and beyond the scope of the warrant that had been obtained'".
And yet another.
In the Nassau County case, the court further said, "it is clear that
the mere act of parking a vehicle on a public street does not gave law
enforcement the unfettered right to tamper with the vehicle by
surreptiously [sic] attaching a tracking device without either the
owner’s consent or without a warrant issued by a court. Attachment of
the GPS requires a physical intrusion into an individual’s personal
effects”.
Seems that the courts don't consider the use of a device like this to
be the same as tailing the car.
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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27 Jan 2005 02:43:02 PM |
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In article <kejiv0t0k4uhg3k3954bje1p0dhgr6jo1i@4ax.com>
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:15:21 -0500, johnebravo836
<johnebravo836@yahoo.com> said in alt.atheism:
Apparently, they're about the size of a book, and can be attached to the
undercarriage of a car with magnets. (Of course, it could also be hidden
in the trunk, under seats, etc.)
Not really, unless they mount an antenna somewhere else. (The device
has to be able to see at least 3 satellite signals at 1.5 GHz at all
times to be even minimally useful.)
A ponderous concrete base, 4 feet thick, 20 feet wide and 373 feet
long, was it true for you woody herman flipflopg.
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Lady Chatterly
"I doubt you think more than the Lady Chatterly bot, but at least
she's somewhat coherent. What's your excuse, Goofy?" -- Cujo
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| User: "Android Cat" |
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27 Jan 2005 12:25:54 PM |
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friendship wrote:
Dear Al,
If someone placed one of these on my car where would I look for it?
What are the usual places? And the device itself -- how large is it
usually and what does it look like? Is it held on with magnets?
http://www.commlinx.com.au/GPRS_GPS_tracking.htm
This one seems a little big/expensive, but it's built to run for a week
without charging. I believe there was a GPS/cell phone wrist-unit for kids.
(Anti-snatching and general parental snooping.) Yup, here's one:
http://www.wherifywireless.com/corp_home.htm
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Ron of that ilk.
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| User: "friendship" |
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27 Jan 2005 04:25:26 PM |
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Dear Ron of that ilk,
Thank you for researching this for me. So probably it's pretty cost
effective to track someone by placing some device underneath their car.
Interesting.
Currently the C of S has quite a number of people who have recently
left who have quite a bit of inside information that they're freely
posting. The C of S's ability to hassle so many critics must be
daunting. Also, I know of at least 3 or 4 things happening here in the
Los Angeles area that I'm sure management would like to put an end to
that never comes up here on ARS. And that's just what I know about!!
Anyway, thank you very much.
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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24 Jan 2005 03:59:17 PM |
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In article <qdoav01t0sgontg33jok6do50rd6prnu9m@4ax.com>
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:15:11 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
said in alt.atheism:
For that matter, I would think discovery of a GPS tracker on your car gives you legal grounds to destroy
the tracker.
Unless placed<SPLORK!>
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europe, for the wizard of oz, big tv for lounge with dvd, surround
sound.
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| User: "towelie" |
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22 Jan 2005 12:14:57 AM |
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TV's Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/01/17/gps_spying_may_prove_irresistible_to_police/
Activists who oppose the Scientology crime syndicate may wish to
take notice of the judicial ruling referenced in the above article.
Anyone may legally plant a GPS tracking device in anyone's vehicle
since the judge ruled that there is no expectation of privacy when
traveling on public roads.
Wouldn't planting a device on somebody else's property be considered a form
of vandalism?
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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22 Jan 2005 01:26:38 PM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Fredric L. Rice wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/01/17/gps_spying_may_prove_irresistible_to_police/
Activists who oppose the Scientology crime syndicate may wish to
take notice of the judicial ruling referenced in the above article.
Anyone may legally plant a GPS tracking device in anyone's vehicle
since the judge ruled that there is no expectation of privacy when
traveling on public roads.
Wouldn't planting a device on somebody else's
property be considered a form of vandalism?
There's no destruction or damage so I wouldn't think it would be. A
Judge might find that if the planting of a GPS tracker is malicious,
that would be a crime depending upon the motivation. And, of course,
I'd expect that if the GPS tracker was used in conjunction with
another crime, its planting might be a crime -- I'm not sure what;
it's not wire tapping.
It seems to me that the rule might apply solely to police officers
and that if a citizen plants a GPS tracker, they might be charged with
something -- again, I'm not sure what. A Judge might have to make two
different rulings to differenciate between law enforcement planting
and citizen planting.
And it also seems to me that the victim could bring civil charges if
the victim can show damages resulting from the planting.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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22 Jan 2005 02:30:16 PM |
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In article <35e9amF4kd2ngU1@individual.net>, towelie said...
Wouldn't planting a device on somebody else's property be considered a form
of vandalism?
How about stalking?
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: GPS Trackers perfectly legal |
23 Jan 2005 03:50:23 PM |
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Brian E. Clark <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <35e9amF4kd2ngU1@individual.net>, towelie said...
Wouldn't planting a device on somebody else's property be considered a form of vandalism?
How about stalking?
Not if it's a citizen collecting evidence the Feds refuse to go after -- as
would be the case for Scientology criminals.
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