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"Kert Una" |
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24 Jan 2005 10:51:32 AM |
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Greetings, my first post and a question to pose |
Hello everybody.
I am completely new here. This is the first time for me to post
anything to Google groups.
To start with:
In a recent discussion with a theist, I was told that one of the
pieces of evidence for a creator deity was the fact that the earth
contained life. The earth possessed characteristics that made it
perfect to sustain life. This was evidence that it had to have been
designed.
Now, I find many things wrong with this simplistic argument. There
are many lines of enquiry I could pursue to analyse this. However, I
will simply present only 1 of them here:
The theist in question also believed that his deity had created the
other planets to be found in our solar system. However, as far as we
know, they are devoid of life. Now, presumably, if the deity had
created and imbued our planet with characteristics to sustain life,
then this was his purpose.
But, if he had created the other planets as well, could we say that he
designed them NOT to sustain life?
If so, what was his purpose in doing so? Why bother creating a planet
without life?
Why would these planets have been given atmospheres, gravitational
fields, magnetic fields, rotational motion, and many other qualities
our earth shares with them if the deity had no wish for them to
sustain life? After all, it is these particular characteristics (with
their own particular variations) that sustain life.
In short: Would it make sense to say the creator created these planets
for the purpose not to have life? If so, why?
It does not make sense to me for a creator to create a planet for
sustaining life (presumably this is the purpose for the planet) and
then create other planets without them.
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
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25 Jan 2005 01:26:44 AM |
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"Kert Una" <kertuna@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a73a2c23.0501240251.6aead5e2@posting.google.com...
Hello everybody.
I am completely new here. This is the first time for me to post
anything to Google groups.
To start with:
In a recent discussion with a theist, I was told that one of the
pieces of evidence for a creator deity was the fact that the earth
contained life. The earth possessed characteristics that made it
perfect to sustain life. This was evidence that it had to have been
designed.
Now, I find many things wrong with this simplistic argument. There
are many lines of enquiry I could pursue to analyse this. However, I
will simply present only 1 of them here:
The theist in question also believed that his deity had created the
other planets to be found in our solar system. However, as far as we
know, they are devoid of life. Now, presumably, if the deity had
created and imbued our planet with characteristics to sustain life,
then this was his purpose.
But, if he had created the other planets as well, could we say that he
designed them NOT to sustain life?
If so, what was his purpose in doing so? Why bother creating a planet
without life?
Why would these planets have been given atmospheres, gravitational
fields, magnetic fields, rotational motion, and many other qualities
our earth shares with them if the deity had no wish for them to
sustain life? After all, it is these particular characteristics (with
their own particular variations) that sustain life.
In short: Would it make sense to say the creator created these planets
for the purpose not to have life? If so, why?
It does not make sense to me for a creator to create a planet for
sustaining life (presumably this is the purpose for the planet) and
then create other planets without them.
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Ask God.
--
And what about Cain and Abel? I can just hear the Lord saying, "Vegetables,
you offer me lousy vegetables! Get outta town you silly wimp!"
The Cain says "Man that God really burns me up! I'll teach Him a lesson! He
wants meat does He? I'll show Him some fresh meat!"
then he says to Abel, "Hey Smartass! Take that! (Whack) And that! (Whack!)
And that! (Whack!) And that! (Whack!) And that! (Whack!) And that! (Whack!)
And that! (Whack!) And that! (Whack!) And that! (Whack!)
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Greetings, my first post and a question to pose |
24 Jan 2005 07:02:43 PM |
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"Kert Una" <kertuna@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a73a2c23.0501240251.6aead5e2@posting.google.com...
Hello everybody.
I am completely new here. This is the first time for me to post
anything to Google groups.
To start with:
(snip well presented argument)
It does not make sense to me for a creator to create a planet for
sustaining life (presumably this is the purpose for the planet) and
then create other planets without them.
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Well, it seems everyone has issued warnings about even trying to argue with
theists, and that's pretty much true, except for the existence of the
atheist de-conversion list. This group has done some good, and it's due in
part to well presented arguments like the one you have posted.
This group can also serve as a whetstone to hone your arguments, and
identify flaws in the arguments of others. I know I have become much better
at presenting cogent arguments since I joined this newsgroup. It also opened
up the world of philosophy to me, and showed me where it had practical
value.
I'd say keep arguing. You're good at it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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24 Jan 2005 08:12:55 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Kert Una" <kertuna@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a73a2c23.0501240251.6aead5e2@posting.google.com...
It also opened
up the world of philosophy to me, and showed me where it had practical
value.
pffffttttt!
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.selectric.org
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| User: "duke" |
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24 Jan 2005 11:30:32 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:02:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Well, it seems everyone has issued warnings about even trying to argue with
theists,
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Ike" |
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26 Jan 2005 08:50:25 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:h71bv094tths7tijq4jc4kic3q9pt4loho@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:02:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Well, it seems everyone has issued warnings about even trying to argue
with
theists,
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
duke
To you there is nothing to offer as long as you ignore it. Especially where
facts are concerned.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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25 Jan 2005 01:17:36 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:h71bv094tths7tijq4jc4kic3q9pt4loho@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:02:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Well, it seems everyone has issued warnings about even trying to argue
with
theists,
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Jan 2005 04:30:45 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Duke is a counterexample to the phrase "intelligent life".
--
If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
- Carl Sagan, 1987.
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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25 Jan 2005 04:49:24 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes
listen to
what we say.
Duke is a counterexample to the phrase "intelligent life".
--
If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
- Carl Sagan, 1987.
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
His stubbornness is a good evolutionary trait.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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25 Jan 2005 10:51:29 PM |
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On 24 Jan 2005 20:49:24 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Duke is a counterexample to the phrase "intelligent life".
His stubbornness is a good evolutionary trait.
For a stone.
--
If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
- Carl Sagan, 1987.
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Jan 2005 04:10:50 AM |
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On 24 Jan 2005 20:49:24 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
said in alt.atheism:
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes
listen to
what we say.
Duke is a counterexample to the phrase "intelligent life".
His stubbornness is a good evolutionary trait.
It's plain stupidity.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:00:39 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:h71bv094tths7tijq4jc4kic3q9pt4loho@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:02:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Well, it seems everyone has issued warnings about even trying to argue
with
theists,
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
loubert, you have said very little worthy of comment from an intelligent person.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Ike" |
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26 Jan 2005 08:50:26 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:0cndv092ff6iqpukc8kio1uh266bqr83em@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:h71bv094tths7tijq4jc4kic3q9pt4loho@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:02:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Well, it seems everyone has issued warnings about even trying to argue
with
theists,
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists
say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen
to
what we say.
loubert, you have said very little worthy of comment from an intelligent
person.
duke
As an intelligent person you should know.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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26 Jan 2005 05:59:03 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:0cndv092ff6iqpukc8kio1uh266bqr83em@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:h71bv094tths7tijq4jc4kic3q9pt4loho@4ax.com...
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:02:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on this issue?
Well, it seems everyone has issued warnings about even trying to argue
with
theists,
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists
say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
loubert, you have said very little worthy of comment from an intelligent
person.
You just got to BELIEVE I'm intelligent! You gotta have FAITH that my words
are worthy.
(Hell, if it works for an imaginary entity...)
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Jan 2005 10:40:41 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God, so what do you suggest a theist
listen to?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Ike" |
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26 Jan 2005 08:50:27 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists
say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen
to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God, so what do you suggest a
theist
listen to?
duke
Of course we wouldn't know anything about God. DUH!
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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26 Jan 2005 02:05:34 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:40:41 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God, so what do you suggest a theist
listen to?
I know everything there is to know about a god that does not exist
with absolute precision. Here it is, the full and complete knowledge:
It does not exist.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Long" |
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26 Jan 2005 02:10:48 PM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:40:41 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God, so what do you suggest a theist
listen to?
I know everything there is to know about a god that does not exist
with absolute precision. Here it is, the full and complete knowledge:
It does not exist.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Careful, you'll have George Dance, Virgil, and Company all over you for
pointing out observations like that.
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| User: "Virgil" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:24:32 PM |
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In article <ofCdncN5W6l2OWrcRVn-jw@comcast.com>, Long <long@nospam.net>
wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:40:41 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God, so what do you suggest a
theist
listen to?
I know everything there is to know about a god that does not exist
with absolute precision. Here it is, the full and complete knowledge:
It does not exist.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Careful, you'll have George Dance, Virgil, and Company all over you for
pointing out observations like that.
It is a claim, not an observation. On might observe that something does
exist, but one cannot observe that something does not exist, only that
one does not obbserve it.
So Septic XL. Troll, the Craven Capon, is WRONG! AGAIN!
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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26 Jan 2005 02:20:03 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:10:48 -0800, Long <long@nospam.net> wrote:
Les Hellawell wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:40:41 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God, so what do you suggest a theist
listen to?
I know everything there is to know about a god that does not exist
with absolute precision. Here it is, the full and complete knowledge:
It does not exist.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Careful, you'll have George Dance, Virgil, and Company all over you for
pointing out observations like that.
Whispered aside:
Don't tell Duke, but it was actually a circular argument :-)
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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26 Jan 2005 02:21:15 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God ...
Do you? Got verifiable evidence? No? Then sit down and shut up.
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26 Jan 2005 11:25:56 PM |
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In article <ofCdncJ5W6nBOmrcRVn-jw@comcast.com>, Long <long@nospam.net>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:17:36 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
That's because you have nothing to offer in contrast to what theists say.
Duke is a counterexample to my suggestion that theists sometimes listen to
what we say.
Well, you clearly don't know anything about God ...
Do you? Got verifiable evidence? No? Then sit down and shut up.
And does Septic XL Troll, the Craven Capon, sit down and shut up when he
is without verifiable evidence? He hasn't yet.
So Septic XL. Troll, the Craven Capon, is WRONG! AGAIN!
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24 Jan 2005 04:19:30 PM |
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"Kert Una" <kertuna@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hello everybody.
Greetings.
I am completely new here. This is the first time for me to post
anything to Google groups.
Good start. :)
Watch out for cross-posting. You didn't do it but
a lot of people do, and you can easily find yourself
stuck in groups you have zero interest in. Best thing
to do: check the newsgroups line when you respond
to a post, and if there is more than one group listed,
delete any groups you aren't interested in.
[wish I could remember to do that consistently!]
To start with:
In a recent discussion with a theist, I was told that one of the
pieces of evidence for a creator deity was the fact that the earth
contained life. The earth possessed characteristics that made it
perfect to sustain life. This was evidence that it had to have been
designed.
[snip]
As others have noted, you can't argue creation with a
theist. What you *might* be able to do is point out the
distinctions between science and religion. That is,
science is based on observation, experimentation (where
possible), hypothesis testing, theory confirmation, etc.
These are objective methods (not without subjective
biases, of course).
Religion is 100% subjective. It is a matter of faith.
One simply "knows" that g-d exists. There is no
observation required (one can simply accept
"authority" - such as the Pope - on the subject), no
experimentation, no hypothesis testing, no theory.
No need for objective confirmation of any kind.
That doesn't mean the two are incompatible as
human pursuits. I would guess most scientists are
religious to one extent or another, and most religious
people have no problem accepting science (scientific
methods, scientific theories, etc.), and probably
see no conflict.
I.e., if you can argue that science shouldn't be seen
as threatening to religion (although religion certainly
has been and probably will continue to be
threatening to science), you might make a little crack
in the theist's worldview to allow in some light. :)
Gail aka Warrior Gardener
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26 Jan 2005 12:28:19 AM |
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.... I would guess most scientists are
religious to one extent or another, and most religious
people have no problem accepting science (scientific
methods, scientific theories, etc.), and probably
see no conflict.
Since, as you imply, being religious does not require being a theist, wouldn't
calling oneself an atheist imply ignorant prejudice against people who, for
no fault of their own, do not live up to our scientific or religious
expectations?
--
"The world of existence is an emanation of the merciful attribute of God."
Abdul-Baha
http://www.costarricense.cr/pagina/ernobe
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:32:28 AM |
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On 26 Jan 2005 00:28:19 GMT, pensul <royspensul@yahoo.com> wrote:
.... I would guess most scientists are
religious to one extent or another, and most religious
people have no problem accepting science (scientific
methods, scientific theories, etc.), and probably
see no conflict.
Since, as you imply, being religious does not require being a theist, wouldn't
calling oneself an atheist imply ignorant prejudice against people who, for
no fault of their own, do not live up to our scientific or religious
expectations?
Only if you're a theist being deliberately nasty.
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| User: "duke" |
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24 Jan 2005 11:34:14 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:19:30 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
<futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
As others have noted, you can't argue creation with a
theist. What you *might* be able to do is point out the
distinctions between science and religion. That is,
science is based on observation, experimentation (where
possible), hypothesis testing, theory confirmation, etc.
These are objective methods (not without subjective
biases, of course).
What happens if man's science is much too amateur and underdeveloped to stand up
to scrutiny. Mankind's knowledge has barely cracked the surface and has a very
long way to go to be able to interface with God.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Greetings, my first post and a question to pose |
26 Jan 2005 08:50:23 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:19:30 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
<futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
As others have noted, you can't argue creation with a
theist. What you *might* be able to do is point out the
distinctions between science and religion. That is,
science is based on observation, experimentation (where
possible), hypothesis testing, theory confirmation, etc.
These are objective methods (not without subjective
biases, of course).
What happens if man's science is much too amateur and underdeveloped to
stand up
to scrutiny. Mankind's knowledge has barely cracked the surface and has a
very
long way to go to be able to interface with God.
duke
In fact man can never interface with a being that doesn't exist, but that
doesn't stop man from trying.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Greetings, my first post and a question to pose |
25 Jan 2005 12:31:32 AM |
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In article <fb1bv0tdq9ttkdk8kr9at76hph2pitr8jj@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:19:30 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
<futoran@nospam.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
As others have noted, you can't argue creation with a
theist. What you *might* be able to do is point out the
distinctions between science and religion. That is,
science is based on observation, experimentation (where
possible), hypothesis testing, theory confirmation, etc.
These are objective methods (not without subjective
biases, of course).
What happens if man's science is much too amateur and underdeveloped to stand up
to scrutiny.
So what mechanism exactly did you employ to get that message to where
I could see it? Prayer?
-- cary
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Greetings, my first post and a question to pose |
25 Jan 2005 03:04:47 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:31:32 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) said in alt.atheism:
In article <fb1bv0tdq9ttkdk8kr9at76hph2pitr8jj@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
What happens if man's science is much too amateur and underdeveloped to stand up
to scrutiny.
So what mechanism exactly did you employ to get that message to where
I could see it? Prayer?
"Computers aren't part of science."
</Earl, an "engineer">
--
"The study of geology is ok-But not when it contradicts what is laid
out in the Bible that the earth is more than 10,000 years old."
- Doug Lee, Creationist
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Greetings, my first post and a question to pose |
25 Jan 2005 03:11:11 AM |
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In article <2pdbv09pico987g1q13t5scccvo9t3vn4k@4ax.com> Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> writes:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:31:32 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) said in alt.atheism:
In article <fb1bv0tdq9ttkdk8kr9at76hph2pitr8jj@4ax.com> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
What happens if man's science is much too amateur and underdeveloped to stand up
to scrutiny.
So what mechanism exactly did you employ to get that message to where
I could see it? Prayer?
"Computers aren't part of science."
</Earl, an "engineer">
As a programmer, I have to go along with that one. They're way
to big to be subject to quantum uncertainty, but they're nonetheless
nondeterministic.
-- cary
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Greetings, my first post and a question to pose |
25 Jan 2005 10:51:00 PM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:11:11 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) said in alt.atheism:
As a programmer, I have to go along with that one. They're way
to big to be subject to quantum uncertainty, but they're nonetheless
nondeterministic.
Nondeterministic? They can't even be programmed.
(Okay, I won't tell people what you and I do for a living, that we
call 'programming'.)
--
"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion."
- Letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive 38-434
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