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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Rodger"
Date: 29 Jun 2004 03:47:01 AM
Object: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow
In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.
The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.
The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.
"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"
Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004
Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they’ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.
The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin’s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.
“Seem,” though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.
The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn’t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.
That leaves only Stephen Harper’s “Conservative” Party as the only
national alternative. I say “Conservative” because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, “conservative” connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.
None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay’s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper’s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.
On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.
The other factor in the Liberals’ favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada’s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.
In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
“shoulder-to-shoulder” with our American “allies.” On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV’s Question Period: “This government’s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn’t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations—a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.”
It appears Harper hasn’t read the National Defence Act, or doesn’t
think it matters, or else he wouldn’t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada’s
forces may be placed on active service if:
(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)
Dubya’s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
“multilateral coalition of forces,” giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.
In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country’s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn’t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.
Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.
Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: “We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.” The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: “Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!”
On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse’s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin’s biggest assets.
Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada’s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as “anti-Israel” and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.
Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel’s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada’s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn’t go over very
well.
Come to think of it, you don’t hear these “Conservatives” say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush’s—keep your
mouth shut and don’t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?
For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.
.

User: "S. Liberman & Company Ltd."

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 29 Jun 2004 07:18:15 AM
"Rodger" <Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7648e862.0406290047.30aed581@posting.google.com...

In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.

I knew you would be stupid enough to post something like this. You are so
adept in straw man arguments as to make clear why the Jewish author, Frank
Baum, base his character on one in want of a brain.
Please show me where I said the Liberals would lose the election.
What I did say was that your comment on a virtual Liberal majority, based on
information at the time, was assinine, and it was. You see, even a broken
watch is right twice a day, but in neither case to its own credit.
But I'm glad you got a good night's sleep thinking you had gotten the better
of me. But today, in the cold light of reality, you must simply face the
fact that it was just another of your pipe dreams.



"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004

Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they’ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.

The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin’s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.

“Seem,” though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn’t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

That leaves only Stephen Harper’s “Conservative” Party as the only
national alternative. I say “Conservative” because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, “conservative” connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay’s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper’s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.

The other factor in the Liberals’ favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada’s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.

In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
“shoulder-to-shoulder” with our American “allies.” On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV’s Question Period: “This government’s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn’t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations—a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.”

It appears Harper hasn’t read the National Defence Act, or doesn’t
think it matters, or else he wouldn’t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada’s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

Dubya’s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
“multilateral coalition of forces,” giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country’s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn’t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.

Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.

Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: “We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.” The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: “Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!”

On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse’s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin’s biggest assets.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada’s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as “anti-Israel” and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel’s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada’s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn’t go over very
well.

Come to think of it, you don’t hear these “Conservatives” say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush’s—keep your
mouth shut and don’t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.

.
User: "Rodger"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 29 Jun 2004 04:00:15 PM
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In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.
"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004

Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they?ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.

The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin?s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.

?Seem,? though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn?t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

That leaves only Stephen Harper?s ?Conservative? Party as the only
national alternative. I say ?Conservative? because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, ?conservative? connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay?s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper?s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.

The other factor in the Liberals? favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada?s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.

In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
?shoulder-to-shoulder? with our American ?allies.? On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV?s Question Period: ?This government?s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn?t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations?a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.?

It appears Harper hasn?t read the National Defence Act, or doesn?t
think it matters, or else he wouldn?t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada?s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

Dubya?s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
?multilateral coalition of forces,? giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country?s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn?t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.

Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.

Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: ?We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.? The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: ?Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!?

On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse?s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin?s biggest assets.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada?s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as ?anti-Israel? and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel?s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada?s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn?t go over very
well.

Come to think of it, you don?t hear these ?Conservatives? say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush?s?keep your
mouth shut and don?t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.

Shelly wet the bed during wone of his night terrors. He just can't
face his inner demons.
.
User: "S. Liberman & Company Ltd."

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 29 Jun 2004 09:38:53 PM
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"Rodger" <Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.



"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004

Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they?ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.

The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin?s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.

?Seem,? though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn?t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

That leaves only Stephen Harper?s ?Conservative? Party as the only
national alternative. I say ?Conservative? because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, ?conservative? connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay?s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper?s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.

The other factor in the Liberals? favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada?s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.

In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
?shoulder-to-shoulder? with our American ?allies.? On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV?s Question Period: ?This government?s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn?t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations?a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.?

It appears Harper hasn?t read the National Defence Act, or doesn?t
think it matters, or else he wouldn?t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada?s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

Dubya?s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
?multilateral coalition of forces,? giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country?s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn?t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.

Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.

Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: ?We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.? The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: ?Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!?

On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse?s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin?s biggest assets.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada?s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as ?anti-Israel? and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel?s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada?s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn?t go over very
well.

Come to think of it, you don?t hear these ?Conservatives? say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush?s?keep your
mouth shut and don?t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.


Shelly wet the bed during wone of his night terrors. He just can't
face his inner demons.

Who needs inner demons when outer demons like you abound?
.
User: "Rodger"

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In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.



"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004

Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they?ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.

The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin?s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.

?Seem,? though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn?t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

That leaves only Stephen Harper?s ?Conservative? Party as the only
national alternative. I say ?Conservative? because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, ?conservative? connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay?s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper?s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.

The other factor in the Liberals? favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada?s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.

In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
?shoulder-to-shoulder? with our American ?allies.? On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV?s Question Period: ?This government?s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn?t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations?a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.?

It appears Harper hasn?t read the National Defence Act, or doesn?t
think it matters, or else he wouldn?t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada?s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

Dubya?s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
?multilateral coalition of forces,? giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country?s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn?t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.

Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.

Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: ?We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.? The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: ?Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!?

On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse?s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin?s biggest assets.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada?s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as ?anti-Israel? and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel?s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada?s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn?t go over very
well.

Come to think of it, you don?t hear these ?Conservatives? say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush?s?keep your
mouth shut and don?t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.


Shelly wet the bed during wone of his night terrors. He just can't
face his inner demons.


Who needs inner demons when outer demons like you abound?

Great comeback, Shelly! Still can't answer a simple question, can you?
.




User: "Count 1"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 29 Jun 2004 09:55:42 AM
"Rodger" <Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.

I read your article on your website. It was laughable nonsense clearly
proving you don't have the insight and intelligence to get serious
publications to publish your work.

"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

There is no 'Israeli Apologists' factor in the Canadian election, and if
there was then your peice about Irwin Cotler should lead you to blame the
ruling the liberals. In fact - *all* foriegn activity by the Canadian
government deemed in support of the Israeli government is because of the
Liberals - they have been in power for the last decade after all.

“Seem,” though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

?? 'Counterintuitive'? It was widely thought the Liberals would form a
minority government, and that's exactly what happened. All you did was take
prevailing popular opinion and regurgitate it. Do you really think your
audience benefitted from this? Do you really think your audience is too
stupid to know what's going on in the federal political scene?

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected,

They didn't. The NDP has had many more seats in the past.
but the party

still doesn’t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

My god...you *do* think your audience are morons.

That leaves only Stephen Harper’s “Conservative” Party as the only
national alternative. I say “Conservative” because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, “conservative” connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

No - it doesn't. 'Conservative' in current Canadian political discourse
means the rights of the individual over the rights of the collective. This
is in opposition to the NDP's and Liberals views.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.

Israeli apologists? How many statements from Harper have been about Israel?
Of them, how many can be seen as supportive? And what percentage are those
statements of the total statements Harper has made in his public life?
Me thinks there are a few problems with your analysis.

The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay’s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper’s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

If it wasn't Canadian, then what was it? Ukrainian?

It appears Harper hasn’t read the National Defence Act, or doesn’t
think it matters, or else he wouldn’t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada’s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

**sigh**....for someone who thinks Israel isn't a legitimate country because
the UNSC didn't ratify something, I don't know how successful anyone could
be in educating you here....
There is nothing in any law of Canada which stops the Prime Minister from
engaging the Canadian Armed Forces in any conflict. (Nor is there anything
which compels him) The two clauses above do *nothing* to suggest helping
America in Iraq was contrary to Canadian Law.

Dubya’s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
“multilateral coalition of forces,” giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

No - he said it to emphasis the fact that many countries - not just one -
agreed with the American argument that in this case international law was an
impediment to doing the right thing. There was no moral implication, it was
to mitigate the legal arguments coming from the Canadian left wing.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime.

No - that is a false conclusion, there would have been no violation of
national law. This is exactly why no serious Canadian journalistic
publication will pay for your essays. They are replete with errors and
indicate a person with little understanding of the topics you are attempting
to discuss.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.

Ummm.....as a muslim, aren't you compelled to believe something very
similar?

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin,

There were no atrocities in either cities.
to say nothing

of Israel’s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons,

Which doesn't exist. Why are you asking Canadian politicians to contribute
to nothing more than delusional conspiracy theories?
matter not to a man

whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative.

He's a muslim?
Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv

make Canada’s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn’t go over very
well.

I think Day would probably support a democracy over a dictatorship harboring
terrorists and occupying other countries like Syria does.
How can you have a problem with that and call yourself a 'Canadian'?

Come to think of it, you don’t hear these “Conservatives” say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush’s—keep your
mouth shut and don’t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

BS. The Conservatives have as much media exposure as all the others.

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.

What is this nonsense? Do you seriously want to bear the responsiblity of
telling other people if they are or are not Canadian?
As a conservative I find the notion just as offensive as you would if I was
to say an anti-semite has no place living in this country. And I'd have a
better case than you - at least the Conservatives are an integral part of
Canadian political history (check the party membership of Canada's first
Prime Minister) where as intolerant anti-semites have no place in Canada.
.

User: "Deborah Sharavi"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 29 Jun 2004 04:48:58 PM
(Rodger) wrote in message news:<7648e862.0406290047.30aed581@posting.google.com>...

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.

There goes Rodger/Felton, tooting his own horn again.

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News

Poor Rodger/Felton, he so wants his effendi masters to love him like
he loves himself. Alas, how sad a thing is unrequited love.
Deborah
.
User: "Jim F."

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 29 Jun 2004 05:30:48 PM
"Deborah Sharavi" <dsharavi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3cf157c1.0406291348.6e8ae414@posting.google.com...

Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com (Rodger) wrote in message

news:<7648e862.0406290047.30aed581@posting.google.com>...

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.


There goes Rodger/Felton, tooting his own horn again.

I am not sure what the big deal is here. It seems to me that Felton
called the election the same way that just about every other pundit
and his uncle did, which was the Liberals would lose their
majority but would retain power in a coalition with the NDP,
which had been predicted to pick up a bunch more seats,
and possibly also with the PQ. I wouldn't wet my pants over making
that sort of a call.


Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News


Poor Rodger/Felton, he so wants his effendi masters to love him like
he loves himself. Alas, how sad a thing is unrequited love.

Deborah

.
User: "Rodger"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 30 Jun 2004 08:00:30 AM
"Jim F." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<2ke8ssF1btdmU1@uni-berlin.de>...

"Deborah Sharavi" <dsharavi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com (Rodger) wrote in message

news:<7648e862.0406290047.30aed581@posting.google.com>...

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.


There goes Rodger/Felton, tooting his own horn again.


I am not sure what the big deal is here. It seems to me that Felton
called the election the same way that just about every other pundit
and his uncle did, which was the Liberals would lose their
majority but would retain power in a coalition with the NDP,
which had been predicted to pick up a bunch more seats,
and possibly also with the PQ. I wouldn't wet my pants over making
that sort of a call.

Exactly, Jim. Felton merely claimed that the odds of Harper-led
victory weree virtually nil--that he and his "posse" could never form
government because it could never form a majority or form a coalition.
Unfortunately, anyone who criticizes uber-zionists and their policies
is immediately assailed by the likes of Shelly.


Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News


Poor Rodger/Felton, he so wants his effendi masters to love him like
he loves himself. Alas, how sad a thing is unrequited love.

Deborah

.
User: "Count 1"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 30 Jun 2004 09:42:20 AM
"Rodger" <Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jim F." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message

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Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com (Rodger) wrote in message

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The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.


There goes Rodger/Felton, tooting his own horn again.


I am not sure what the big deal is here. It seems to me that Felton
called the election the same way that just about every other pundit
and his uncle did, which was the Liberals would lose their
majority but would retain power in a coalition with the NDP,
which had been predicted to pick up a bunch more seats,
and possibly also with the PQ. I wouldn't wet my pants over making
that sort of a call.


Exactly, Jim. Felton merely claimed that the odds of Harper-led
victory weree virtually nil--that he and his "posse" could never form
government because it could never form a majority or form a coalition.

Unfortunately, anyone who criticizes uber-zionists and their policies
is immediately assailed by the likes of Shelly.

Get off the cross.
You did nothing more than parrot the views of many. It was neither
insightful, interesting, or daring. It certainly wasn't 'counterintuitive',
whish is how you tried to sell it.
It is for this reason you will never find a broader audience and will
forever be regulated to the inside pages of a small prairie paper.




Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News


Poor Rodger/Felton, he so wants his effendi masters to love him like
he loves himself. Alas, how sad a thing is unrequited love.

Deborah

.
User: "Rodger"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 30 Jun 2004 03:53:57 PM
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"Jim F." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message

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Rodgerthornhill@hotmail.com (Rodger) wrote in message

news:<7648e862.0406290047.30aed581@posting.google.com>...

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.


There goes Rodger/Felton, tooting his own horn again.


I am not sure what the big deal is here. It seems to me that Felton
called the election the same way that just about every other pundit
and his uncle did, which was the Liberals would lose their
majority but would retain power in a coalition with the NDP,
which had been predicted to pick up a bunch more seats,
and possibly also with the PQ. I wouldn't wet my pants over making
that sort of a call.


Exactly, Jim. Felton merely claimed that the odds of Harper-led
victory weree virtually nil--that he and his "posse" could never form
government because it could never form a majority or form a coalition.

Unfortunately, anyone who criticizes uber-zionists and their policies
is immediately assailed by the likes of Shelly.


Get off the cross.

You did nothing more than parrot the views of many. It was neither
insightful, interesting, or daring. It certainly wasn't 'counterintuitive',
whish is how you tried to sell it.

It is for this reason you will never find a broader audience and will
forever be regulated to the inside pages of a small prairie paper.

Blah. Blah. Why don't you go play in the traffic, no-account? You
serve no purpose here.
.
User: "Count 1"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 30 Jun 2004 04:06:26 PM

Blah. Blah. Why don't you go play in the traffic, no-account? You
serve no purpose here.

You might wanna attempt responding to my other post in this thread before
you attempt to claim who serves a purpose here and who doesn't.
.
User: "Rodger"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 01 Jul 2004 06:30:34 AM
"Count 1" <omnipitus2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2kgoaaF1sa6bU1@uni-berlin.de>...

Blah. Blah. Why don't you go play in the traffic, no-account? You
serve no purpose here.


You might wanna attempt responding to my other post in this thread before
you attempt to claim who serves a purpose here and who doesn't.

And what pearl of wisdom would that be? The one where you denied the
existenfce of Israeli apologists in the Canadain government?
(chuckle!)
.







User: "Rehabilitated Jew"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman musteat crow 30 Jun 2004 12:38:15 AM
How wrong you are. Even with the sicialist extremist NDP, the Lieberals
(sic) still don't have a majority. Add their 135 seats to the NDP's 19 and
they are still 1 vote short. Plus they have to appoint a speaker of the
House (who loses his right to vote.) The Conservatives (99) will
definitely ally with the Bloc Quebecois (54) and the lone independent (1).
The anti-Liberals would qutvote the leftists 154-153. A vote of
non-confidence is sure to be forthcoming. Expect severe anti-Liberal
backlash at the polls for a quick election. Stephen Harper will get his
majority in 6 months to 2 years. This minority government is unstable at
best.Not to mention MPs will be defecting back and forth because the
balance of power is literally paper thin. The difference in parliament is
ONE vote.
Rodger wrote:

In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.

"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004

Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they’ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.

The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin’s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.

“Seem,” though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn’t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

That leaves only Stephen Harper’s “Conservative” Party as the only
national alternative. I say “Conservative” because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, “conservative” connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay’s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper’s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.

The other factor in the Liberals’ favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada’s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.

In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
“shoulder-to-shoulder” with our American “allies.” On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV’s Question Period: “This government’s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn’t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations—a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.”

It appears Harper hasn’t read the National Defence Act, or doesn’t
think it matters, or else he wouldn’t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada’s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

Dubya’s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
“multilateral coalition of forces,” giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country’s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn’t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.

Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.

Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: “We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.” The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: “Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!”

On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse’s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin’s biggest assets.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada’s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as “anti-Israel” and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel’s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada’s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn’t go over very
well.

Come to think of it, you don’t hear these “Conservatives” say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush’s—keep your
mouth shut and don’t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.

.
User: "Rodger"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 01 Jul 2004 06:34:14 AM
Well, all the votes are in. at least two ridings are up for recount.
Also, the Liberals don't have to put up one of their own to be
speaker. A leefitimate Tory in Stephen Harper's
Christian/Zionist/Yankee posse might be good.
Fact is, Ontario will never allow Harper and his yahoos to gain power.
When push comes to shove, they'll support the Liberals.
Rehabilitated Jew <a@a.com> wrote in message news:<40E251C6.2FEE1A01@a.com>...

How wrong you are. Even with the sicialist extremist NDP, the Lieberals
(sic) still don't have a majority. Add their 135 seats to the NDP's 19 and
they are still 1 vote short. Plus they have to appoint a speaker of the
House (who loses his right to vote.) The Conservatives (99) will
definitely ally with the Bloc Quebecois (54) and the lone independent (1).
The anti-Liberals would qutvote the leftists 154-153. A vote of
non-confidence is sure to be forthcoming. Expect severe anti-Liberal
backlash at the polls for a quick election. Stephen Harper will get his
majority in 6 months to 2 years. This minority government is unstable at
best.Not to mention MPs will be defecting back and forth because the
balance of power is literally paper thin. The difference in parliament is
ONE vote.

Rodger wrote:

In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.

"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004

Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they?ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.

The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin?s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.

?Seem,? though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn?t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

That leaves only Stephen Harper?s ?Conservative? Party as the only
national alternative. I say ?Conservative? because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, ?conservative? connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay?s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper?s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.

The other factor in the Liberals? favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada?s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.

In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
?shoulder-to-shoulder? with our American ?allies.? On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV?s Question Period: ?This government?s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn?t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations?a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.?

It appears Harper hasn?t read the National Defence Act, or doesn?t
think it matters, or else he wouldn?t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada?s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

Dubya?s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
?multilateral coalition of forces,? giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country?s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn?t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.

Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.

Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: ?We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.? The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: ?Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!?

On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse?s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin?s biggest assets.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada?s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as ?anti-Israel? and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel?s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada?s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn?t go over very
well.

Come to think of it, you don?t hear these ?Conservatives? say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush?s?keep your
mouth shut and don?t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.

.
User: "Rehabilitated Jew"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman musteat crow 02 Jul 2004 12:48:40 AM
The recounts won't overturn anything. Recounts are automatic is the margin is
within 1/1000th of the total votes cast. The margin of victory was too far to have
a recount overturn it.
The speaker will be a Liberal. He has to be elected by the House and the
Conservatives won't sacrifice one of their own. Plus, if the speaker was
conservative, he would push his own agenda. This would be disasterous for the
Liberals. They would never get their bills passed. The Liberals will elect their
own to be speaker and the House will ratify it. And the speaker only votes in the
event of a tie.
Harper is electable in Ontario. Remember Mulroney? He had the largest majority in
history. He practically swept Ontario. Harper is fiscally more moderate than
Mulroney. Not to mention the fact that Ontarians are still bitter over Dalton
McGuilty's (sic) budget disaster. It's more than enough to overthrow Paul Martin
and his corrupt Liberal regime.
Rodger wrote:

Well, all the votes are in. at least two ridings are up for recount.
Also, the Liberals don't have to put up one of their own to be
speaker. A leefitimate Tory in Stephen Harper's
Christian/Zionist/Yankee posse might be good.

Fact is, Ontario will never allow Harper and his yahoos to gain power.
When push comes to shove, they'll support the Liberals.

Rehabilitated Jew <a@a.com> wrote in message news:<40E251C6.2FEE1A01@a.com>...

How wrong you are. Even with the sicialist extremist NDP, the Lieberals
(sic) still don't have a majority. Add their 135 seats to the NDP's 19 and
they are still 1 vote short. Plus they have to appoint a speaker of the
House (who loses his right to vote.) The Conservatives (99) will
definitely ally with the Bloc Quebecois (54) and the lone independent (1).
The anti-Liberals would qutvote the leftists 154-153. A vote of
non-confidence is sure to be forthcoming. Expect severe anti-Liberal
backlash at the polls for a quick election. Stephen Harper will get his
majority in 6 months to 2 years. This minority government is unstable at
best.Not to mention MPs will be defecting back and forth because the
balance of power is literally paper thin. The difference in parliament is
ONE vote.

Rodger wrote:

In the Canadain election the Liberals lost seats but still managed a
minotrity government. Voters rebuked the government for its scandals
but also smacked Stephen Harper and his gaggle of neo-con/Zionist
pinheads.

The NDP doubled its seats and looks like the odds-on favourite to form
a modus operandi with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

The dust hasn't settled yet, but the least Shelly should do is admit
that Greg Felton called this election accurately and for the reasons
stated in his column. Here's it is again.

"Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans do
not a Conservative Party make"

Greg Felton
Alberta Arab News (mediamonitors.net)
June 24, 2004

Four days from now, Canadians will decide if they want to legitimize
Paul Martin as prime minister and give the Liberal Party a fourth
majority in the House of Commons. If indications are accurate, they?ll
do the first, but not necessarily the second.

The public has no great passion for the Liberals. The government has
been taking a pasting over the sponsorship scandal, and Martin?s
decision, when he was finance minister, to balance the federal budget
at the expense of health care. Moreover, no federal party has ever won
four consecutive terms. As the saying goes, governments are voted out,
not voted in, and it would seem that the Liberals should be on the way
out.

?Seem,? though, is the operative word, because a fourth Liberal
government is a virtual certainty; the only question is whether it
will be a majority or a minority. The basis for this counterintuitive
prediction lies in the lack of a credible alternative this time round.

The New Democrats will doubtless pick up a lot of anti-government
votes and could see a record number of MPs elected, but the party
still doesn?t have enough appeal outside of its core left-wing
constituency to challenge for government. Nevertheless, it finally has
a strong leader in Jack Layton, who is already musing about supporting
a minority Liberal government.

That leaves only Stephen Harper?s ?Conservative? Party as the only
national alternative. I say ?Conservative? because the party is
nothing of the sort. Properly speaking, ?conservative? connotes
support for national institutions, defence of tradition, incremental
change, and a preference for societal rights over individual rights.

None of these criteria applies to Harper and his puritanical posse of
Christian populists, Israeli apologists and U.S.-style republicans.
The party name reflects Progressive Conservative leader Peter McKay?s
decision to betray his party and his principles to merge with Harper?s
Canadian Alliance, which was hardly Canadian and not even an alliance.

On June 28, those who might ordinarily turn to the Conservatives now
face the spectre of voting for moral reactionaries and anti-statist
zealots who worship at the altar of unenlightened self-interest and
would reduce Canada into a full-blown lackey of the U.S. and Israel.
Therefore, enough disaffected Liberal voters might support the
government as the lesser of two evils.

The other factor in the Liberals? favour is the appalling stupidity of
Harper and his posse. Because they are driven more by dogma than
reason, they are prone to dangerous lapses in judgment. The subject of
Canada?s refusal to join the invasion of Iraq is particularly
instructive.

In the House, the posse relentlessly berated, assailed and insulted
then-Prime Minister Jean Chrétien for refusing to stand
?shoulder-to-shoulder? with our American ?allies.? On March 30, 2003,
Harper said on CTV?s Question Period: ?This government?s only
explanation for not standing behind our allies is that they couldn?t
get the approval of the Security Council at the United Nations?a body
[on] which Canada doesn't even have a seat.?

It appears Harper hasn?t read the National Defence Act, or doesn?t
think it matters, or else he wouldn?t have uttered such a
condescending howler. The Act states that some or all of Canada?s
forces may be placed on active service if:

(a) by reason of an emergency, for the defence of Canada; or
(b) in consequence of any action undertaken by Canada under the United
Nations Charter, the North Atlantic Treaty or any similar instrument
for collective defence that may be entered into by Canada. (my
emphasis)

Dubya?s pre-meditated aggression, based on willful disregard of
critical intelligence, does not in any way qualify as an instrument
for collective defence. Nevertheless, Harper called the attack force a
?multilateral coalition of forces,? giving the false impression that
it had some form of moral sanction. It did not. In fact, it violated
articles 2, 33-38 and 51 of the UN Charter.

In short, Harper would have had Canada violate national and
international law, and involve our soldiers in a war crime. Perhaps he
should warn Canadians that he plans to contract out the country?s
military policy to the Pentagon, but that wouldn?t go over well at a
time when the posse is trolling for votes and needs to downplay its
image as a bunch of gormless hicks.

Today, Chrétien is praised for his courage and principle, and Harper
is desperately trying to rewrite history. He charges that Liberals are
lying when the say that if he had been prime minister Canadians would
be in Iraq this year.

Yet here is Harper speaking to Canadian Press on April 1, 2003: ?We
support the war effort and believe we should be supporting our troops
and our allies and be there with them doing everything necessary to
win.? The headline on a Globe and Mail column by Lawrence Martin said
it best: ?Iraq: Harper, Harper, Pants on Fire!?

On the matter of Israel, foreign affairs critic and former party
leader Stockwell Day stands out as the posse?s most conspicuous
embarrassment, and potentially one of Martin?s biggest assets.

Believe it or not, Day is a biblical literalist who believes the Earth
is 6,000 years old and that humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Not
surprisingly, his understanding of Canada?s Middle East policy is
non-cognitive and obscurantist. Any attempt by Ottawa to hold Israel
accountable to international law is denounced as ?anti-Israel? and any
show of support for the Palestinians is equated with endorsing
terrorism.

Denouncing the atrocities committed in Rafah and Jenin, to say nothing
of Israel?s role in the tortures in Iraqi prisons, matter not to a man
whose idea of reality comes out a self-contradictory book of myth and
interpretive narrative. Day might as well say he would let Tel Aviv
make Canada?s Middle East policy, but that also wouldn?t go over very
well.

Come to think of it, you don?t hear these ?Conservatives? say very
much at all. Their campaign looks a lot like George Bush?s?keep your
mouth shut and don?t give your opponent an opening. Do we really want
to entrust our country to these people?

For Canadians, the most important consideration should be to keep
Canada in the hands of Canadian parties. No party that would have
Harper or Day as a member deserves to govern.

.
User: "Yechidah"

Title: Post Rejected 02 Jul 2004 10:44:24 AM
"Rehabilitated Jew"
Due to your attempt at being an intellectual which has failed miserably, we
have found it necessary to reject you and your post.
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User: "Riain Y. Barton"

Title: Re: Post Rejected 02 Jul 2004 04:52:34 PM
HE IS FAR MORE INTELLECTUAL THAN YOU BY A LONG SHOT! AND CERTAINLY MORE
INTELLIGENT AND KNOWS A HELL OF A LOT MORE ABOUT TORAH AND JEWISH LAW!
STOP YOUR L'SHUNING ZONA!
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User: "Rehabilitated Jew"

Title: Re: Post Rejected 03 Jul 2004 05:06:59 AM
Sherri. do you even know where Canada is?
Yechidah wrote:

"Rehabilitated Jew"

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User: "Riain Y. Barton"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 02 Jul 2004 03:11:44 AM
Hope you had a Happy Canada Day! La Fete Du Canada!
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Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Liberman must eat crow 02 Jul 2004 09:22:39 PM
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Hope you had a Happy Canada Day! La Fete Du Canada!


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Why, yes. I did.
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User: "Rehabilitated Jew"

Title: Re: Greg Felton's election prediction comes true; Sheldon Libermanmust eat crow 03 Jul 2004 05:05:09 AM
Yes I did, but I avoid les Quebequois at all costs. Still bitter about
those referendoms. I take French as fighting words. :)
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Hope you had a Happy Canada Day! La Fete Du Canada!

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