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"J Young" |
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15 Nov 2005 12:02:18 AM |
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Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first place?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.html
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
US law proposal attacked by campaigners
Human rights campaigners are calling it the 'November surprise' - a
last-minute amendment smuggled into a Pentagon finance bill in the US Senate
last Thursday.
Its effects are likely to be devastating: the permanent removal of almost
all legal rights from 'war on terror' detainees at Guantanamo Bay and every
other similar US facility on foreign or American soil.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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16 Nov 2005 03:10:28 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> writes:
No, war is little different. At least it was for me. You guys that play the
intellectual warfare games with its great danger of maybe a paper cut or two
can do all the theorizing. Me, I'll just keep my faith in our sons and
daughters that are dodging the bullets.
Nonetheless, we go to war for moral reasons. And we sustain our
wars through moral suasion. You cannot do that if you descend to the
barbarism of the enemy and that is what we have done. America is
supposed to be *better* than the enemy we fight. We're supposed to be
the shining city on the hill, and we cannot be that with blood in our
basements.
Looking at the reports as they're slowly leaking out, it has
become clear that we're not even using torture to get valuable
information: torture inevitably becomes an instutition in its own right,
with its own interests, and it always descends to merely breaking the
will of the tortured. We have never gotten useful information out of
torture, and we never will. The victims merely tell us what we want to
hear.
If you want to live in a country where your freedom is bought at
the price of your soul, you can be as complacent as you want. Nations,
no less that individuals, live or die in the shadow of Mark 8:36.
Elf
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Elf M. Sternberg, Immanentizing the Eschaton since 1988
http://www.drizzle.com/~elf
"You know how some people treat their body like a temple?
I treat mine like issa amusement park!" - Kei
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| User: "J.C." |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
16 Nov 2005 04:55:02 PM |
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> writes:
No, war is little different. At least it was for me. You guys that play
the
intellectual warfare games with its great danger of maybe a paper cut or
two
can do all the theorizing. Me, I'll just keep my faith in our sons and
daughters that are dodging the bullets.
Nonetheless, we go to war for moral reasons.
No, you might, but I guarantee you the folks facing the bullets don't.
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
All spam forwarded to:
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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16 Nov 2005 05:57:27 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> writes:
Nonetheless, we go to war for moral reasons.
No, you might, but I guarantee you the folks facing the bullets don't.
No, but countries do. And soldiers do the same, at least
voluntary ones do. Conscientious soldiers join the military not for a
paycheck and a college education but because they have decided that
their nation, and its leaders, have the moral weight and the moral
authority necessary to justify their stepping up and into harms' way.
I don't want to live in your country, J.C., where there is no
morality but brute force, and where soldiers are idiots who step up for
no reason other than they're too stupid to do otherwise. I live in the
United States of America, which is a better place.
Elf
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
16 Nov 2005 06:05:03 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com>
posting the following on Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:55:02 GMT iin
alt.atheism?
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:874q6c8fjv.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> writes:
No, war is little different. At least it was for me. You guys that play
the
intellectual warfare games with its great danger of maybe a paper cut or
two
can do all the theorizing. Me, I'll just keep my faith in our sons and
daughters that are dodging the bullets.
Nonetheless, we go to war for moral reasons.
No, you might, but I guarantee you the folks facing the bullets don't.
I was one of those "facing the bullets" People enlist for many
reasons.
And we are trained to treat prisoners humanely. One of the keys to
prisoner handling is securing them from harm.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
15 Nov 2005 06:28:01 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:jAoef.92086$Ww6.14827@fe05.news.easynews.com:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87ek5h7uaf.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.ht
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Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first
place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful words "We the people of the United States", not "We the
people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been well
established in internation treaties), it would behoove the US to show
some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of *anything
(besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me.
So you are saying that war justifies ill treatment of prisoners. You ever
hear of the Geneva convention. If the boot is on the other foot you can't
then turn around and complain if the other side carries out the same
practices.
You guys that play
the intellectual warfare games with its great danger of maybe a paper
cut or two can do all the theorizing. Me, I'll just keep my faith in our
sons and daughters that are dodging the bullets.
As long as you are not in harms way yourself, I take it?
Klazmon.
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| User: "J.C." |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
16 Nov 2005 08:03:36 AM |
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
news:Xns971088FE182B5Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87ek5h7uaf.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.ht
ml
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first
place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful words "We the people of the United States", not "We the
people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been well
established in internation treaties), it would behoove the US to show
some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of *anything
(besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me.
So you are saying that war justifies ill treatment of prisoners.
10 Afghan soldiers beheaded in Taliban ambush
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8491482/
Nick Berg
Daniel Pearl
Paul Johnson
Eugene Armstrong
troops were beheaded and skinned ....
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2004/09/04/top7.htm
Taliban claim beheading two US translators
http://www.keralanext.com/news/index.asp?id=431589
Three girls have been beheaded and another badly injured as they
walked to a Christian school
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4387604.stm
S Korean hostage beheaded in Iraq
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3830843.stm
Pakistani Captives Beheaded
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/r/reynalds/04/reynalds072904-graphic.ht
m
Suspected Islamic rebels decapitated a woman in Indian Kashmir and
left her head hanging in a tree
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1564895,00.html
Suspected Islamic separatists beheaded a man
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1725472,00.html
Man beheaded in front of shop
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1725267,00.html
British Hostage Beheaded in Iraq
www.rooftopreport.com/rooftopreport/archives/001189kenneth_bigley_beheaded
Turkish Hostage Beheaded on Video
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/045650.php
Alleged CIA Agent Beheaded
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/042688.php
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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16 Nov 2005 04:11:59 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:Y_Gef.133870$Vw5.21569@fe04.news.easynews.com:
"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87ek5h7uaf.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.ht
ml
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first
place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or
anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful words "We the people of the United States", not "We the
people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been well
established in internation treaties), it would behoove the US to
show some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of *anything
(besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me.
So you are saying that war justifies ill treatment of prisoners.
10 Afghan soldiers beheaded in Taliban ambush
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8491482/
Nick Berg
Daniel Pearl
Paul Johnson
Eugene Armstrong
troops were beheaded and skinned ....
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2004/09/04/top7.htm
etc.
Your argument here is that the other side are behaving as barbarians then
we should too. Such a strategy didn't do the Romans any good IIRC the
barbarians ended up sacking their capital. It is much better to retain the
moral high ground. In the long run it weakens the grass roots support for
the terrorists.
Klazmon.
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| User: "J.C." |
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16 Nov 2005 04:19:43 PM |
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
news:Xns971171EE3D3A1Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6...
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87ek5h7uaf.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.ht
ml
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first
place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or
anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful words "We the people of the United States", not "We the
people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been well
established in internation treaties), it would behoove the US to
show some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of *anything
(besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me.
So you are saying that war justifies ill treatment of prisoners.
10 Afghan soldiers beheaded in Taliban ambush
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8491482/
Nick Berg
Daniel Pearl
Paul Johnson
Eugene Armstrong
troops were beheaded and skinned ....
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2004/09/04/top7.htm
etc.
Your argument here is that the other side are behaving as barbarians then
we should too. Such a strategy didn't do the Romans any good
Yeah, and kissing the asses of our enemies hasn't done us any good either.
You take your theories over to the battlefield and try them out. I'll stick
to what I know works.
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
All spam forwarded to:
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon" |
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16 Nov 2005 05:10:35 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87ek5h7uaf.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.h
t
ml
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the
first place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or
anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful words "We the people of the United States", not "We
the people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been
well established in internation treaties), it would behoove the
US to show some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of
*anything (besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me.
So you are saying that war justifies ill treatment of prisoners.
10 Afghan soldiers beheaded in Taliban ambush
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8491482/
Nick Berg
Daniel Pearl
Paul Johnson
Eugene Armstrong
troops were beheaded and skinned ....
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2004/09/04/top7.htm
etc.
Your argument here is that the other side are behaving as barbarians
then we should too. Such a strategy didn't do the Romans any good
Yeah, and kissing the asses of our enemies hasn't done us any good
either. You take your theories over to the battlefield and try them out.
I'll stick to what I know works.
Looks like what you know works isn't working too well. We started off with
a country ruled by a goverment that was anathema to the moslem fundies and
kept them suppressed. The fanatics are now in that country openly
recruiting and carrying out their barbarous activities, a country which is
now fractured on religious sect lines as well as ethnic. The US are now
stuck with it. If they leave, the place will blow up big time and Saddam's
rule will look like a picnic.
The only good news is that the Al Quaida have now shot themselves in the
foot with the huge blunder of their recent attack in Jordan. They have
just alienated a large number of their sympathisers.
Klazmon.
<SNIP>
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| User: "J.C." |
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16 Nov 2005 05:15:27 PM |
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Llanzlan Klazmon" <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87ek5h7uaf.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.h
t
ml
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the
first place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or
anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful words "We the people of the United States", not "We
the people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been
well established in internation treaties), it would behoove the
US to show some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of
*anything (besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me.
So you are saying that war justifies ill treatment of prisoners.
10 Afghan soldiers beheaded in Taliban ambush
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8491482/
Nick Berg
Daniel Pearl
Paul Johnson
Eugene Armstrong
troops were beheaded and skinned ....
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2004/09/04/top7.htm
etc.
Your argument here is that the other side are behaving as barbarians
then we should too. Such a strategy didn't do the Romans any good
Yeah, and kissing the asses of our enemies hasn't done us any good
either. You take your theories over to the battlefield and try them out.
I'll stick to what I know works.
Looks like what you know works isn't working too well. We started off with
a country ruled by a goverment that was anathema to the moslem fundies and
kept them suppressed. The fanatics are now in that country openly
recruiting and carrying out their barbarous activities, a country which is
now fractured on religious sect lines as well as ethnic. The US are now
stuck with it. If they leave, the place will blow up big time and Saddam's
rule will look like a picnic.
The only good news is that the Al Quaida have now shot themselves in the
foot with the huge blunder of their recent attack in Jordan. They have
just alienated a large number of their sympathisers.
Yep, they were doing what you are saying we should be doing and look what it
got them. You theorists need some battlefield experience or maybe a tour in
the real world.
Klazmon.
<SNIP>
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
16 Nov 2005 06:06:25 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com>
posting the following on Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:15:27 GMT iin
alt.atheism?
Yep, they were doing what you are saying we should be doing and look what it
got them. You theorists need some battlefield experience or maybe a tour in
the real world.
Where did you serve, and care to compare DD-214s?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
16 Nov 2005 05:15:52 PM |
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| The only good news is that the Al Quaida have now shot themselves in
the
| foot with the huge blunder of their recent attack in Jordan. They
have
| just alienated a large number of their sympathisers.
That, and maybe they never even existed to begin with.
The bad news is, they've got plenty more angry people to recruit from
now, under W.
Whoever they are.
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| User: "J.C." |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
16 Nov 2005 05:24:57 PM |
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<hc23hc@mac.com> wrote in message
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| The only good news is that the Al Quaida have now shot themselves in
the
| foot with the huge blunder of their recent attack in Jordan. They
have
| just alienated a large number of their sympathisers.
That, and maybe they never even existed to begin with.
The bad news is, they've got plenty more angry people to recruit from
now, under W.
Whoever they are.
That's the beauty of it! People that have propensity to terrorism will
eventually take up their weapons. It's a hell of a lot better to make them
show their intent sooner than to let them lull you to sleep and hit you
then. that's what I mean by telling you theorists that you need some real
world experience and street smarts. That's what America meant when it said
"we will smoke them out". Wise kids, this ain't flag football as the man
said.
And here's another thing. You guys with the cute little monikers and the
phony email addresses, most intelligent Americans don't give you the
credibility they would give a dead pigeon. For all we know you are an
AlQaeda or Taliban or some other terrorists organizations operative. You
don't mean diddly ***** unless you have enough courage to stand in the light
of day and make your speeches. The way you guys are hiding behind masks is
exactly what the terrorists do. In my book, that makes you either one of
them or one of their operatives.
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
All spam forwarded to:
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
17 Nov 2005 04:09:10 PM |
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Phony "J.C." wrote:
| That's the beauty of it! People that have propensity to terrorism
will
| eventually take up their weapons. It's a hell of a lot better
You need disarming, then. Fast. There's nothing beautiful about
terrorism, even when you do it.
Least of all when you do it, on a scale of bad through evil. Your mind
is seething with excuses to use your smelly little gun, to the point
where you conjure up the "what would terrorists do?" psalm of spam as
your guiding catechism. Well, ***** you.
| And here's another thing. You guys with the cute little monikers and
the
| phony email addresses, most intelligent Americans don't give you the
| credibility they would give a dead pigeon. For all we know you are an
| AlQaeda or Taliban or some other terrorists organizations operative.
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| don't mean diddly ***** unless you have enough courage to stand in the
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| of day and make your speeches
You're projecting, terrorist. My speech patterns are consistent round
the clock wherever I am and whomever I talk to. I'm under no legal
obligation to treat you nice because you wave guns around at people who
are within their rights. I've been shot at before. I'm still alive,
though. More so than you'll ever be.
Unlike you, I don't do business with terrorists; I don't adopt the
logic of terror, because there isn't any to adopt; I don't find you
amusing and I won't pull any punches if your threats go any further.
I advocate punishment for those who spread violence, double for those
who do it for profit. Mental hospital for those who do it by "reason"
of irrational theocratic beliefs. Automatic lifelong gun ban for the
mentally unstable . . . That means you.
You may not like what I have to say. But, terrorist - read my lips:
You threaten the use of weapons in context with the suppression of
ideas which a less unstable felon than yourself would either read and
learn from - or not read. And let it go at that.
Supposedly, it was a free world until you loons decided it was up for
eminent domain. Even on your own terms, you are part of what is
dragging the mess which your retarded spiritual guidance counsellors in
the White House inherited, all the way from there to the seamiest part
of mental Texas. From which there is no turning back once you go
there.
Don't email me. Don't even *think* about stalking me or your movement
will be minus another nut.
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
15 Nov 2005 10:29:04 PM |
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Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:jAoef.92086$Ww6.14827@fe05.news.easynews.com:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.ht
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Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first
place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful words "We the people of the United States", not "We the
people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been well
established in internation treaties), it would behoove the US to show
some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of *anything
(besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me.
So you are saying that war justifies ill treatment of prisoners. You ever
hear of the Geneva convention. If the boot is on the other foot you can't
then turn around and complain if the other side carries out the same
practices.
You guys that play
the intellectual warfare games with its great danger of maybe a paper
cut or two can do all the theorizing. Me, I'll just keep my faith in our
sons and daughters that are dodging the bullets.
As long as you are not in harms way yourself, I take it?
Klazmon.
The RRR is rampant with chickenhawks
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
15 Nov 2005 01:57:03 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jAoef.92086$Ww6.14827@fe05.news.easynews.com...
Question: do you support the right of other governments to kidnap
Americans - from American soil - and remove them from the country to be held
indefinitely without charges?
"Yes" or "no".
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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15 Nov 2005 11:25:17 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:06:23 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:87ek5h7uaf.fsf@drizzle.com...
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.html
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those wonderful
words "We the people of the United States", not "We the people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been well
established in internation treaties), it would behoove the US to show
some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of *anything
(besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me. You guys that play the
intellectual warfare games with its great danger of maybe a paper cut or two
can do all the theorizing. Me, I'll just keep my faith in our sons and
daughters that are dodging the bullets.
You've already betrayed them by ensuring that there's no reason for
them to be treated well if they're captured. Congratulations. You've
spat on everything that was fought for in the name of freedom.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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15 Nov 2005 12:39:09 PM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:06:23 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:39:13 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1641703,00.html
Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights
Why were these vermin ever afforded any "rights" in the first
place?
Our constitution does not describe "rights" for our enemies or anyone
else
that seeks to destroy us. After all, it was preceeded by those
wonderful
words "We the people of the United States", not "We the people of the
United
States and anyone else wondering around out in the world".
Of course, before stripping inmates of rights (which have been well
established in internation treaties), it would behoove the US to show
some evidence that these people are indeed guilty of *anything
(besides of being arrested).
No, war is little different. At least it was for me. You guys that play
the
intellectual warfare games with its great danger of maybe a paper cut or
two
can do all the theorizing. Me, I'll just keep my faith in our sons and
daughters that are dodging the bullets.
You've already betrayed them by ensuring that there's no reason for
them to be treated well if they're captured. Congratulations. You've
spat on everything that was fought for in the name of freedom.
Glad to oblige. Think nothing of it.
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
15 Nov 2005 01:57:18 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gXpef.139840$iC7.82625@fe08.news.easynews.com...
Question: do you support the right of other governments to kidnap
Americans - from American soil - and remove them from the country to be held
indefinitely without charges?
"Yes" or "no".
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "J.C." |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
15 Nov 2005 02:06:39 PM |
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Question: do you support the right
Didn't they, or us for that matter, claimed that as a "right".
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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15 Nov 2005 02:24:37 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jdref.117221$xl1.99431@fe03.news.easynews.com...
Question: do you support the right
Didn't they, or us for that matter, claimed that as a "right".
Answer the question, coward.
Do you support the right of other governments to kidnap Americans - from
American soil - and remove them from the country to be held indefinitely
without charges?
"Yes" or "no".
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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15 Nov 2005 02:40:23 PM |
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
news:buref.15$yx3.3@fe02.buzzardnews.com...
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:jdref.117221$xl1.99431@fe03.news.easynews.com...
Question: do you support the right
Didn't they, or us for that matter, claimed that as a "right".
Answer the question, coward.
I can't answer a question that I'm not aware of the facts behind it. I
didn't know they, or us for that matter, claimed the "right" you say they
do. And, I sure would like to see you call me a coward face to face. My
email is real. Why don't you get in touch with me and let's see if you would
back up your words. I'll even put up some cash to cover your expenses.
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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15 Nov 2005 03:28:47 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XIref.105564$Ur3.16387@fe01.news.easynews.com...
Answer the question, coward.
I can't answer a question that I'm not aware of the facts behind it.
It's a hypothetical question. You openly suppor the "right" of the Bush
administration to kidnap citizens of other nations from their countries, and
to hold them indefinitely without trial or charges.
So answer the question, coward - would you support other countries assuming
that same "right" with regard to AMERICAN citizens?
"Yes" or "no", coward.
And, I sure would like to see you call me a coward face to face.
I'd love to be close enough to call you a coward to your face - then I could
spit in it, too.
My email is real. Why don't you get in touch with me and let's see if you
would
back up your words.
So's mine, cowardly douchebag.
Now answer the question, traitor.
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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15 Nov 2005 03:48:55 PM |
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
news:iqsef.108$yx3.75@fe02.buzzardnews.com...
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Answer the question, coward.
I can't answer a question that I'm not aware of the facts behind it.
It's a hypothetical question. You openly suppor the "right" of the Bush
administration to kidnap citizens of other nations from their countries,
and
to hold them indefinitely without trial or charges.
No, I don't support the Bush administration in very much and if you knew how
to check out google you would see that. But I do support our sons and
daughters who have to face the bullets and if kidnapping citizens of other
nations from their countries and holding them indefinitely without trial or
charges contributes in any way to the safety of our sons and daughters, you
bet your pimply face I agree with that.
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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15 Nov 2005 08:57:41 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bJsef.142009$iC7.102361@fe08.news.easynews.com...
It's a hypothetical question. You openly suppor the "right" of the Bush
administration to kidnap citizens of other nations from their countries,
and to hold them indefinitely without trial or charges.
No, I don't support the Bush administration in very much
But you have defended here the current practice of rendition, and the
holding of foreign nationals indefiniteley, without charges or trial.
Are you denying that?
But I do support our sons and daughters who have to face the bullets and
if kidnapping citizens of other
nations from their countries and holding them indefinitely without trial
or
charges contributes in any way to the safety of our sons and daughters,
you
bet your pimply face I agree with that.
Feel free to explain how kidnapping foreign nationals and holding them
without charges or trial does that. That would be really neat.
Meanwhile - answer my question you fucking coward:
Do you support the right of other governments to kidnap Americans - from
American soil - and remove them from the country to be held indefinitely
without charges?
"Yes" or "no".
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Paul Mitchum" |
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15 Nov 2005 04:22:43 PM |
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J.C. <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
news:iqsef.108$yx3.75@fe02.buzzardnews.com...
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XIref.105564$Ur3.16387@fe01.news.easynews.com...
Answer the question, coward.
I can't answer a question that I'm not aware of the facts behind it.
It's a hypothetical question. You openly suppor the "right" of the Bush
administration to kidnap citizens of other nations from their countries,
and to hold them indefinitely without trial or charges.
No, I don't support the Bush administration in very much and if you knew
how to check out google you would see that. But I do support our sons and
daughters who have to face the bullets and if kidnapping citizens of other
nations from their countries and holding them indefinitely without trial
or charges contributes in any way to the safety of our sons and daughters,
you bet your pimply face I agree with that.
Gotta love the bit about facing down *bullies* by *kidnapping people.*
--
Take the pledge: <http://yesbushcan.com/pledge.shtml>
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| User: "J.C." |
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| Title: Re: Guantanamo inmates to lose all rights |
15 Nov 2005 04:29:09 PM |
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"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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J.C. <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
news:iqsef.108$yx3.75@fe02.buzzardnews.com...
"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XIref.105564$Ur3.16387@fe01.news.easynews.com...
Answer the question, coward.
I can't answer a question that I'm not aware of the facts behind it.
It's a hypothetical question. You openly suppor the "right" of the
Bush
administration to kidnap citizens of other nations from their
countries,
and to hold them indefinitely without trial or charges.
No, I don't support the Bush administration in very much and if you knew
how to check out google you would see that. But I do support our sons
and
daughters who have to face the bullets and if kidnapping citizens of
other
nations from their countries and holding them indefinitely without trial
or charges contributes in any way to the safety of our sons and
daughters,
you bet your pimply face I agree with that.
Gotta love the bit about facing down *bullies* by *kidnapping people.*
I subscribe to the doctrine of "keep your enemies close to you".
--
Some people call this Northeast Hell
We just call it South Texas
J.C.
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15 Nov 2005 08:58:40 PM |
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"J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I subscribe to the doctrine of "keep your enemies close to you".
Apparently you also subscribe to the doctrine of "let's make enemines out of
innocent people".
Now answer my question you fucking coward:
Do you support the right of other governments to kidnap Americans - from
American soil - and remove them from the country to be held indefinitely
without charges?
"Yes" or "no".
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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15 Nov 2005 04:48:21 PM |
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J.C. <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Mitchum" <usenet@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
news:1h62nsu.1ovcc98lih50N%usenet@mile23.c0m...
J.C. <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
news:iqsef.108$yx3.75@fe02.buzzardnews.com...
[..]
It's a hypothetical question. You openly suppor the "right" of the
Bush administration to kidnap citizens of other nations from their
countries, and to hold them indefinitely without trial or charges.
No, I don't support the Bush administration in very much and if you
knew how to check out google you would see that. But I do support our
sons and daughters who have to face the bullets and if kidnapping
citizens of other nations from their countries and holding them
indefinitely without trial or charges contributes in any way to the
safety of our sons and daughters, you bet your pimply face I agree
with that.
Gotta love the bit about facing down *bullies* by *kidnapping people.*
I subscribe to the doctrine of "keep your enemies close to you".
In CUBA?
You realize they're in Cuba so that certain US laws won't apply to them,
right?
--
Take the pledge: <http://yesbushcan.com/pledge.shtml>
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