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"Khartoum" |
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24 Jul 2004 09:41:48 PM |
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Guardian article on Dawkins |
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
25 Jul 2004 01:36:01 AM |
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In article <CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Or to bring him up to date, we should maybe think of him as the Dirty
Harry of science. You don't assign him. You just let him loose."
Might be a bit overstated, but I love it!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "Goddeloos" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
25 Jul 2004 02:09:24 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Or to bring him up to date, we should maybe think of him as the Dirty
Harry of science. You don't assign him. You just let him loose."
Might be a bit overstated, but I love it!
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish. Sloppy of the Guardian.
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goddeloos #179
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
25 Jul 2004 11:37:59 PM |
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In article <q7JMc.3519$GB1.982@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Goddeloos <goddeloos-@san.rr.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Or to bring him up to date, we should maybe think of him as the Dirty
Harry of science. You don't assign him. You just let him loose."
Might be a bit overstated, but I love it!
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish. Sloppy of the Guardian.
I would have expected better.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
25 Jul 2004 11:50:37 PM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
In article <q7JMc.3519$GB1.982@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Goddeloos <goddeloos-@san.rr.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Or to bring him up to date, we should maybe think of him as the Dirty
Harry of science. You don't assign him. You just let him loose."
Might be a bit overstated, but I love it!
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish. Sloppy of the Guardian.
I would have expected better.
Well, if we're picking nits, wasn't it Niko Tinbergen? Nikolaas, to be
complete...
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John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Victor Eijkhout" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
26 Jul 2004 08:59:59 AM |
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johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish.
I would have expected better.
You can't get any better than Dutch.
V.
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email: lastname at cs utk edu
homepage: cs utk edu tilde lastname
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
27 Jul 2004 11:55:32 PM |
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In article <1ghj03g.l1jdi12bwk37N%>,
(Victor Eijkhout) wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish.
I would have expected better.
You can't get any better than Dutch.
V.
I was referring to the Guardian.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
-The ability to change one's mind, ideas, and opinions when confronted with
new facts is the sign of the rational and intelligent. The inability to do
so is the hallmark of the dimwitted and the fanatic. This applies not only
to science and philosophy, but also to politics.-
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| User: "JPG" |
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26 Jul 2004 10:55:52 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:59:59 +0000 (UTC), (Victor Eijkhout)
wrote:
johac <jhachm@ixpresremove.com> wrote:
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish.
I would have expected better.
You can't get any better than Dutch.
Hmm ... the most tasteless cheese ever produced, DAF cars?
V.
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| User: "Victor Eijkhout" |
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26 Jul 2004 12:39:33 PM |
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JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote:
You can't get any better than Dutch.
Hmm ... the most tasteless cheese ever produced, DAF cars?
That cheese has improved a whole lot in the last decade or two.
DAF. Hm. It was a great idea, bad marketing. And their trucks seem to be
pretty good.
V.
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email: lastname at cs utk edu
homepage: cs utk edu tilde lastname
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| User: "Robin Levett" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
26 Jul 2004 04:47:32 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <q7JMc.3519$GB1.982@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Goddeloos <goddeloos-@san.rr.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the
way we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the
'devil's chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Or to bring him up to date, we should maybe think of him as the Dirty
Harry of science. You don't assign him. You just let him loose."
Might be a bit overstated, but I love it!
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish. Sloppy of the Guardian.
I would have expected better.
From the Grauniad?
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Robin Levett
rlevett@rlevett.ibmuklunix.net (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)
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| User: "Alexander" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
26 Jul 2004 06:03:36 AM |
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"Robin Levett" <rnlevett@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bp0ft1-fms.ln1@grendel.hayesway...
johac wrote:
In article <q7JMc.3519$GB1.982@twister.socal.rr.com>,
Goddeloos <goddeloos-@san.rr.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed
the
way we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the
'devil's chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Or to bring him up to date, we should maybe think of him as the
Dirty
Harry of science. You don't assign him. You just let him loose."
Might be a bit overstated, but I love it!
But, don't believe everything you read. Nico Tinbergen (Dawkins
advisor) was Dutch, not Danish. Sloppy of the Guardian.
I would have expected better.
From the Grauniad?
I thought that ... they are a little notorious for their minor typographical
but crucial errors.
--
Robin Levett
rlevett@rlevett.ibmuklunix.net (unmunge by removing big blue - don't
yahoo)
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| User: "Milan Klima" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
25 Jul 2004 05:16:42 PM |
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Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:<CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
Good article. Thanks for the link. Dawkins certainly deserves to be
voted Britain's top intellectual.
Regards
Milan
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| User: "Steven Carr" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
25 Jul 2004 06:14:22 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:16:42 +0000 (UTC), (Milan
Klima) wrote:
Good article. Thanks for the link. Dawkins certainly deserves to be
voted Britain's top intellectual.
Not Stephen Hawking?
Steven Carr
steven@bowness.demon.co.uk
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/
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| User: "Milan Klima" |
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26 Jul 2004 01:35:38 PM |
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(Steven Carr) wrote in message news:<4104406f.1389878@news.demon.co.uk>...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:16:42 +0000 (UTC), (Milan
Klima) wrote:
Good article. Thanks for the link. Dawkins certainly deserves to be
voted Britain's top intellectual.
Not Stephen Hawking?
I think Dawkins is an intellectual. He is a well read man, with a
solid general culture. He writes beautifully and deals with a variety
of topics: science, faith, religion, politics, education, etc. Hawking
is -at least in most people's perception- a ground-breaking scientist,
but not an intellectual.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Tom Morris" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
02 Aug 2004 06:13:58 AM |
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(Milan Klima) wrote in message news:<afe6b1c8.0407261043.333b3adc@posting.google.com>...
I think Dawkins is an intellectual. He is a well read man, with a
solid general culture. He writes beautifully and deals with a variety
of topics: science, faith, religion, politics, education, etc. Hawking
is -at least in most people's perception- a ground-breaking scientist,
but not an intellectual.
regards
Milan
That said, the Prospect ranking was "public intellectual" not just "intellectual".
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Tom Morris
http://www.bbcity.co.uk
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| User: "syvanen" |
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27 Jul 2004 05:27:23 PM |
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(Milan Klima) wrote in message news:<afe6b1c8.0407261043.333b3adc@posting.google.com>...
steven@bowness.demon.co.uk (Steven Carr) wrote in message news:<4104406f.1389878@news.demon.co.uk>...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:16:42 +0000 (UTC), (Milan
Klima) wrote:
Good article. Thanks for the link. Dawkins certainly deserves to be
voted Britain's top intellectual.
Not Stephen Hawking?
I think Dawkins is an intellectual. He is a well read man, with a
solid general culture. He writes beautifully and deals with a variety
of topics: science, faith, religion, politics, education, etc.
True he is an intellectual but he is not a innovative thinker -- many
of the ideas associated with his name are derivative.
Mike Syvanen
Hawking
is -at least in most people's perception- a ground-breaking scientist,
but not an intellectual.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Richard Forrest" |
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28 Jul 2004 10:35:02 AM |
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(Milan Klima) wrote in message news:<afe6b1c8.0407261043.333b3adc@posting.google.com>...
steven@bowness.demon.co.uk (Steven Carr) wrote in message news:<4104406f.1389878@news.demon.co.uk>...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:16:42 +0000 (UTC), (Milan
Klima) wrote:
Good article. Thanks for the link. Dawkins certainly deserves to be
voted Britain's top intellectual.
Not Stephen Hawking?
I think Dawkins is an intellectual. He is a well read man, with a
solid general culture. He writes beautifully and deals with a variety
of topics: science, faith, religion, politics, education, etc. Hawking
is -at least in most people's perception- a ground-breaking scientist,
but not an intellectual.
regards
Milan
I'd modify that a bit. Dawkins writes well when he is addressing
evolutionary theory and biology in general. When he wanders off in to
more general areas of science - as in 'Unweaving the Rainbow' - his
writing deteriorates and his arguments lose their focus. I found that
book very disapointing, especially after reading 'The Extended
Phenotype'.
Regarding Hawking, I find it hard to assess just how important he is
as a scientist, bearing in mind that his field is an area in which I
have only read books (including his own) and articles. The idea of a
massive intellect bound to earth by a crippling disease has such a
powerful symbolic value that it places him above normal measures of
scientific worth.
RF
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
25 Jul 2004 03:25:27 AM |
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Khartoum <KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote in message news:<CcFMc.12824$f4.12725@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
Richard Dawkins
http://news.google.com/news?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22Richard+Dawkins%22&sa=N&tab=gn
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22Richard+Dawkins%22&sa=N&tab=nw
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=+%22Richard+Dawkins%22&sa=N&tab=wd&cat=gwd%2FTop
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Richard%20Dawkins&safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
26 Jul 2004 04:02:18 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:41:48 +0000 (UTC), Khartoum
<KhartoumNOSPAM@insightbb.com> wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
Dawkins shoots from the hip when commenting on religion. Calling religious
leaders "clothheads" (as he he did in "The Devil's Chaplain") could very soon
land him in court for inciting religious hatred, if Home Secretary Blunkett has
his way.
I guess "The Life of Brian" and Dave Allen's humour might be banned as well,
just in case it might offend some religious fanatics.
And I thought it was ok to lampoon systems of belief, as distinct from
ethnicity.
JPG
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
26 Jul 2004 10:24:21 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:41:48 +0000, Khartoum wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Born Clinton Richard Dawkins in 1941 in Kenya, into a family of colonial
forest officers..."
I guess now we know why American conservatives _really_ dislike Dawkins.
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So it goes....
--Daniel Harper
(change terra to earth for email)
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| User: "Mike Thom" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
27 Jul 2004 08:31:55 AM |
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"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.07.26.15.45.52.294873@terralink.net>...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:41:48 +0000, Khartoum wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Born Clinton Richard Dawkins in 1941 in Kenya, into a family of colonial
forest officers..."
I guess now we know why American conservatives _really_ dislike Dawkins.
I'm surprised he didn't hang on to those initials...
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
27 Jul 2004 10:05:19 PM |
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Mike Thom <chewie@australia.edu> wrote:
"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:41:48 +0000, Khartoum wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the way
we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the 'devil's
chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Born Clinton Richard Dawkins in 1941 in Kenya, into a family of colonial
forest officers..."
I guess now we know why American conservatives _really_ dislike Dawkins.
I'm surprised he didn't hang on to those initials...
Subtle. I had to think about that one.
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Daniel Harper" |
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| Title: Re: Guardian article on Dawkins |
27 Jul 2004 07:49:43 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:31:55 +0000, Mike Thom wrote:
"Daniel Harper" <daniel_harper@terralink.net> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.07.26.15.45.52.294873@terralink.net>...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:41:48 +0000, Khartoum wrote:
Thought this might be of interest.
"He is a pugnacious debater and compelling speaker who has changed the
way we think about evolution. Now the scientist who calls himself the
'devil's chaplain' has been voted Britain's top intellectual ... "
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1268687,00.html
From the article:
"Born Clinton Richard Dawkins in 1941 in Kenya, into a family of
colonial forest officers..."
I guess now we know why American conservatives _really_ dislike Dawkins.
I'm surprised he didn't hang on to those initials...
Heh. Didn't even notice that.
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So it goes....
--Daniel Harper
(change terra to earth for email)
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