-Phil Clemence wrote:

"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162848601.305336.64980@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

No, I kill people...
*evil smirk*

--

Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor

The Anti-Theist

"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

Man , this thread is what comes of being aware of so much going on and
caring what happens.
Well, you can't 'unknow' or 'uncare', so you have to post.
I can't suggest much except to try to control your anxiety and
frustration
with intention.
You don't seem like the type to be happy escaping through alcohol or
going
to live in the woods.
Maybe you are very cynical (as I am).
My mood has been tempered by learning a lot of facts about a wide range
of
things.
I have a different perspective. I am still angry and frustrated, but it
is
limited to those things which deserve anger and frustration. It has
allowed
me to love what deserves love and hate what deserves hate, and relax
about
things that don't matter. Sure it is all very subjective - based only on
my
perspective from what I know.
Maybe you think I don't know much.
Well, it is enough to keep me from ranting endlessly about things I know
very little about because i focus on only one or two aspects and/or can't
see what else they affect and in what ways.
We have a lot of problems - don't waste time on those that are not very
important.
None of us have enough time or means to correct all these problems.
It is fine to rant once in a while, but there is no point in arguing the
fine points of hundreds of problems and doing nothing else. Yes posting
is
doing something, but what is the point in arguing?
It is very rare to win an argument (I mean convince someone of what you
think)
There is no one to judge your arguments and announce a winner.

I am not saying you have to go out and fix some problem - I am just
talking
about not wasting your life or others' lives or putting a gun to your own
head.

Now go get laid or study history ... both will make you calm afterwards -
history is much safer.

-Phil Clemence

Done both, history just makes me angry...

Hahah you make me laff, you insist to me that you are not preaching
hatred for the relgious, but your langauge tells me that you are a liar.

What a load of rubbish,

I would ask as did the OP about who we place our trust in also. Do we
place it in those closed minded indivuals who see relgion only in terms
of the Christian Bible?

Strawman.

Ohh really, then lets see just what you wrote to prompt my replies huh.

You: 'Who instead of dealing with the hard questions buries themselves
in stay the course biblical teachings.' No meantion there of Toranic
teachings or, Qabalaic, or Koranic, nope just Biblical.

Or perhaps those people that make unsubstanciated claims, reached via
their subjective personal experiance, and pass these of as truth.

That is science you arse. Absolute truth never carried out brain
surgury.

Ohh really?

You: 'So heres my point. Religion is used by believers to deal with
some anxiety, some anx that their reasoning capacities can't, won't,
deal with. A close loved one death, their own finality, a close
encounter with disaster. So when Religious people talk about
the universe being just so, just right for human life, that the great
lottery paidoff for us, shouldn't we atleast wonder that its not just
denial.'

You can of course back up these opinions with cold emperical absolute
proof then?

No? What about, those that incite hatred for those whos view of life
is differant from therse.

Hatred! Hatred! Self-defence! You idiots are destroying the world.

You don't even no me, nor my faith nor nowt about it so what branch of
idiot do you assume I am then?

Hatred no?

You: 'America, especially, but the world isn't dealing with the
problem but is more in denial than ever. Religion is there with welcome
arms to provide comfort, a false reality. One that will kill us all, or
atleast most of our grandkids.'

So this isn't a call against the relgious then?

Yeah perhaps we should place our trust in those calling for the
abolishment of religion as dangerous, or thoses that tell us our mental
facilites are somehow inpeared, because of a differance in belife, yeah
place our trust in the thought police who only want you think one way,
their way.

I never said you could get rid of terrorism, or religion. I know how
much effort you must have given religion and should of expected that
denialistic anxiety would immediately
surface. But I not asking you to give up your faith, just dose it down
with heaps of reasonableness. Religion is not the be all and end.
Science, that subjective art passed
as truth has far outstripped religion as religion! Nolonger do we rush
to the temple to sacrifice our first born, or dance naked around the
forest tree, or eat flesh and blood
of our saviour, no we rush to the emergency ward, we down evolutionary
prescribe medicines, we board planes not checking with the preists of
Jesus but the preists of Engineering.
Just as religions have died before, so Jesus should, dying overloaded
with rationalism. The new religion, whose to say, but in clear that a
mono-theism ain't cutting it.
People will continue to worship Thor, or Jesus, or the Pharoah, it
doesn't matter. What matters is the public marketplace gives them equal
credance.

Fair enough then, but to everybody that agrees with that Dawkins fellow
I would say first prove to me that religious thought is alien to
humaity, that is it is not normal, or so called rational though process
are the norm. Then perhaps I'd listen to this anti religious rhetoric.
Although not for long as I firmly belive that anybody who says there
is only one way and this is it should be avioded at all costs.