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"Happy Guy" |
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30 Oct 2003 01:51:17 AM |
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Half of American atheists believe in life after death |
Americans Describe Their Views About Life After Death
October 21, 2003
(Ventura, CA) Despite the constant flux in many dimensions of
Americans? lives, a new study from the Barna Research Group of
Ventura, California, shows that most people have retained surprisingly
traditional views about life after death. Although the lifestyles,
values, and self-perceptions of most adults have undergone significant
change ? and millions of Americans have embraced many elements of a
postmodern worldview ? the vast majority continues to believe that
there is life after death, that everyone has a soul, and that Heaven
and Hell exist. However, more than 50 million adults are uncertain
regarding their personal eternal fate.
The Afterlife
Belief in life after death, like the existence of God, is widely
embraced: 8 out of 10 Americans (81%) believe in an afterlife of some
sort. Another 9% said life after death may exist, but they were not
certain. Just one out of every ten adults (10%) contend that there is
no form of life after one dies on earth.
Moreover, a large majority of Americans (79%) agreed with the
statement ?every person has a soul that will live forever, either in
God?s presence or absence.?
Evangelicals, born again Christians, and Elders (ages 58 and older)
were the most likely segments to embrace the idea of life after death.
Those least likely to believe in life after death were Hispanics,
Busters (ages 20-38), residents of the West, atheists and agnostics,
those associated with a faith other than Christianity, and unchurched
adults ? although more than two-thirds of each of these groups accept
the existence of an afterlife.
Heaven and Hell
The survey also explored peoples? views of Heaven and Hell. In all,
76% believe that Heaven exists, while nearly the same proportion said
that there is such a thing as Hell (71%). Respondents were given
various descriptions of Heaven and asked to choose the statement that
best fits their belief about Heaven. Those who believe in Heaven were
divided between describing Heaven as ?a state of eternal existence in
God?s presence? (46%) and those who said it is ?an actual place of
rest and reward where souls go after death? (30%). Other Americans
claimed that Heaven is just ?symbolic? (14%), that there is no such
thing as life after death (5%), or that they are not sure (5%).
While there is no dominant view of Hell, two particular perspectives
are popular. Four out of ten adults believe that Hell is ?a state of
eternal separation from God?s presence? (39%) and one-third (32%) says
it is ?an actual place of torment and suffering where people?s souls
go after death.? A third perspective that one in eight adults believe
is that ?Hell is just a symbol of an unknown bad outcome after death?
(13%). Other respondents were ?not sure? or said they that they do not
believe in an afterlife (16%).
Destinations
Most Americans do not expect to experience Hell first-hand: just
one-half of 1% expect to go to Hell upon their death. Nearly
two-thirds of Americans (64%) believe they will go to Heaven. One in
20 adults (5%) claim they will come back as another life form, while
the same proportion (5%) contend they will simply cease to exist.
Even though most Americans believe in life after death and the
existence of the soul, not everyone is clear about their own ultimate
destination. One in every four adults (24%) admitted that they have
?no idea? what will happen after they die. Those who felt their
eternal future is undefined were most likely to be Hispanics, singles,
men, atheists and agnostics, residents of the West, and 18- and
19-year-olds (i.e., young adults who also happen to be the first
members of the Mosaic generation to enter adulthood).
Among those who expect to go to Heaven, there were differences in how
they anticipate such an end would be attained. Nearly half of those
who say they are Heaven bound (43%) believe they will go to Heaven
because they have ?confessed their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as
their savior.? Others felt they will get to Heaven because ?they have
tried to obey the 10 Commandments? (15%) or because ?they are
basically a good person? (15%). Another 6% believed their entrance to
Heaven would be based upon the fact that ?God loves all people and
will not let them perish.?
One of the intriguing findings from the research is that education and
income are negatively correlated with belief in Heaven and Hell. In
other words, the more education a person gets or the more income they
earn, the less likely they are to believe that Heaven or Hell exists.
While most high-income households and college graduates maintain
belief in Heaven and Hell, the finding reinforces the popular notion ?
and, indeed, Jesus? teaching ? that people of economic means and those
with considerable education struggle to embrace biblical teachings on
such matters.
The New Views
Although a comparison of current beliefs to those held over the past
two decades shows that Americans? views about life after death have
been relatively stable over time, new perceptions about the hereafter
are being grafted into the traditional perspectives. For instance,
nearly 1 in 5 adults (18%) now contends that people are reincarnated
after death. And one-third of Americans (34%) believe that it is
possible to communicate with others after their death. As evidence
that this belief is gaining traction, consider that nearly half of all
Busters (48%) embrace the concept of communication with the dead,
while just 35% of Boomers (39-57) and 15% of Elders (ages 58+) do so.
Contradictions Reign
George Barna, the president of the company that conducted the
research, pointed out that ?Americans? willingness to embrace beliefs
that are logically contradictory and their preference for blending
different faith views together create unorthodox religious
viewpoints.? For instance, he noted that among born again Christians -
who believe that they will experience eternal existence in Heaven
solely because they have confessed their sins to God and are depending
upon Jesus Christ to spare them from eternal punishment or rejection -
10% believe that people are reincarnated after death, 29% claim it is
possible to communicate with the dead, and 50% contend that a person
can earn salvation based upon good works.
?Many committed born again Christians believe that people have
multiple options for gaining entry to Heaven. They are saying, in
essence, ?Personally, I am trusting Jesus Christ as my means of
gaining God?s permanent favor and a place in Heaven ? but someone else
could get to Heaven based upon living an exemplary life.? Millions of
Americans have redefined grace to mean that God is so eager to save
people from Hell that He will change His nature and universal
principles for their individual benefit. It is astounding how many
people develop their faith according to their feelings or cultural
assumptions rather than biblical teachings.?
The California-based researcher indicated that born again Christians
are not the only ones confused about what happens after death. Many of
those who describe themselves as either atheistic or agnostic also
harbor contradictions in their thinking. ?Half of all atheists and
agnostics say that every person has a soul, that Heaven and Hell
exist, and that there is life after death. One out of every eight
atheists and agnostics even believe that accepting Jesus Christ as
savior probably makes life after death possible. These contradictions
are further evidence that many Americans adopt simplistic views of
life and the afterlife based upon ideas drawn from disparate sources,
such as movies, music and novels, without carefully considering those
beliefs. Consequently, the labels attached to people ? whether it be
?born again? or ?atheist? may not give us as much insight into the
person?s beliefs as we might assume.?
Research Methodology
The data described in this report are based on national telephone
surveys among random samples of 1000 or more adults (age 18 or older)
living within the 48 continental states conducted in September 2003,
October 2002, and October 2001. The maximum margin of sampling error
associated with each sample of 1000 adults is ±3 percentage points at
the 95% confidence level. (There are other types of error besides
sampling error that may also be present in surveys.) All of the
interviews were conducted from the Barna Research Group telephone
interviewing facility in Ventura, CA. The distribution of the survey
respondents coincided with the geographic dispersion of the U.S. adult
population according to Census Bureau estimates. Multiple callbacks to
each respondent were used to increase the probability of obtaining
data based on a reliable sample of adults.
?Born again Christians? were defined in these surveys as people who
said they have made a personal commitment to Jesus Christ that is
still important in their life today and who also indicated they
believe that when they die they will go to Heaven because they had
confessed their sins and had accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.
Respondents were not asked to describe themselves as ?born again.?
?Evangelicals? are a subset of born again Christians in Barna surveys.
In addition to meeting the born again criteria, evangelicals also meet
seven other conditions. Those include saying their faith is very
important in their life today; believing they have a personal
responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ with
non-Christians; believing that Satan exists; believing that eternal
salvation is possible only through grace, not works; believing that
Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; contending that the Bible
is accurate in all that it teaches; and describing God as the
all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and
still rules it today. Being classified as an evangelical is not based
upon church attendance or the denominational affiliation of the church
they attend. Respondents were not asked to describe themselves as
?evangelical.?
The Barna Research Group, Ltd. is an independent marketing research
company located in southern California. Since 1984 it has been
studying cultural trends related to values, beliefs, attitudes and
behaviors. This research was funded solely by Barna Research as part
of its regular tracking of the social, religious and political state
of the nation and its churches.
If you would like to receive a bi-weekly update on the latest research
findings from the Barna Research Group, you may subscribe to this free
service at the Barna Research web site (www.barna.org) by providing
your e-mail address in the section of the home page that offers The
Barna Update.
http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/PagePressRelease.asp?PressReleaseID=150&Reference=A
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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04 Nov 2003 02:27:58 AM |
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ArWeGod wrote:
"Norma" <norma2339@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vq3flprcinab75@corp.supernews.com...
"Born Again Atheist" <michael@buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:a07bedeb.0310301723.26b99dda@posting.google.com...
George Ricker <gricker@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<gricker-03A646.14594230102003@newsr3.tampabay.rr.com>...
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
I couldn't find the original post to reply to, but of course there is an
afterlife. My close friend recently died and we had a nice party in his
honour. All of us were there after (his) life. When I die I hope you will
all continue on after (my) life.
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "I Lost Three Claytons In Three Weeks With Atheislim!" |
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31 Oct 2003 01:52:28 AM |
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"Born Again Atheist" <michael@buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:a07bedeb.0310301723.26b99dda@posting.google.com...
George Ricker <gricker@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<gricker-03A646.14594230102003@newsr3.tampabay.rr.com>...
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
Afterlife = Compost for feeding beautiful plants.
You die, get cremated, used to fertilize marijuana plants, someone smokes
it, gets stoned, falls asleep with a lit joint, burns to death, used to
fertilize plants, etc, etc, etc...
The circle of life! :)
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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04 Nov 2003 02:25:46 AM |
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Born Again Atheist wrote:
George Ricker <gricker@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:<gricker-03A646.14594230102003@newsr3.tampabay.rr.com>...
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
Afterlife = Compost for feeding beautiful plants.
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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04 Nov 2003 02:24:11 AM |
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George Ricker wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "George Ricker" |
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04 Nov 2003 06:45:14 AM |
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In article <3FA762C8.5225A9E0@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
George Ricker wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
First, I have to say it's a silly question. My wishes are irrelevant.
However, since you ask, I have no particular interest in an afterlife -
I'm not even sure what that means. I do have an interest in living, so
long as I can do so as a relatively productive person in possession of
most of my faculties. I would have no interest in an existence that was
pain-wracked - with no possibility of relief - or a persistent
vegatative state or simply amounted to prolonging my life because it was
technically feasible to do so, with no regard for the quality of the
life being prolonged.
Finally, science-fiction scenarios aside, I'm unable to conceive of life
without death being "an issue." Allowing a possible exception for the
raw stuff (elemental matter/energy) of which universes are made, nothing
lasts forever. Not the birds or the trees or the green, green grass.
Neither you, nor your dog, nor the flea on its *****.
At least, that's my view of it.
--
George Ricker
The most accurate way to spell "one nation under 'God'" is T*H*E*O*C*R*A*C*Y.
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| User: "Yechidah" |
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04 Nov 2003 02:38:50 PM |
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"George Ricker" <gSPAMFREEricker@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:gSPAMFREEricker-B7D718.07450704112003@newsr3.tampabay.rr.com...
In article <3FA762C8.5225A9E0@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
George Ricker wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
First, I have to say it's a silly question. My wishes are irrelevant.
However, since you ask, I have no particular interest in an afterlife -
I'm not even sure what that means. I do have an interest in living, so
long as I can do so as a relatively productive person in possession of
most of my faculties. I would have no interest in an existence that was
pain-wracked - with no possibility of relief - or a persistent
vegatative state or simply amounted to prolonging my life because it was
technically feasible to do so, with no regard for the quality of the
life being prolonged.
Finally, science-fiction scenarios aside, I'm unable to conceive of life
without death being "an issue." Allowing a possible exception for the
raw stuff (elemental matter/energy) of which universes are made, nothing
lasts forever. Not the birds or the trees or the green, green grass.
Neither you, nor your dog, nor the flea on its *****.
At least, that's my view of it.
Great. Sounds like you're onto something here. Have a look at
http://www.chabad.org for some God eye-opening articles and maybe something
there will *touch* your heart in a very good way.
Expect miracles.
Yechidah
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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04 Nov 2003 09:22:20 AM |
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George Ricker wrote:
In article <3FA762C8.5225A9E0@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
George Ricker wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
First, I have to say it's a silly question. My wishes are irrelevant.
However, since you ask, I have no particular interest in an afterlife -
I'm not even sure what that means. I do have an interest in living, so
long as I can do so as a relatively productive person in possession of
most of my faculties. I would have no interest in an existence that was
pain-wracked - with no possibility of relief - or a persistent
vegatative state or simply amounted to prolonging my life because it was
technically feasible to do so, with no regard for the quality of the
life being prolonged.
Now, where have I seen/heard these stoically brave words before?
Seems like the common prayer to self, muttered just before climbing
down into the foxhole. Preference for death over life?... Haw.
Finally, science-fiction scenarios aside, I'm unable to conceive of life
without death being "an issue."
Ah, but you are able to conceive it... you just did... with a bit of
prodding, of course. You asserted "an issue" by denying it. The
only way to control the outcome is to do it yourself. But then,
tho you praise life, its quality assumes that of a suicide looking
for a place to happen... existentialist?... nihilist?
Allowing a possible exception for the
raw stuff (elemental matter/energy) of which universes are made, nothing
lasts forever. Not the birds or the trees or the green, green grass.
Neither you, nor your dog, nor the flea on its *****.
You see?... science is your god. It has told you that 'matter/energy
is elemental' and you believe the fairy tale on faith alone. Yet you
brush aside as 'science fiction' your science god's promise of life
eternal. How then may one accept your denying death's debilitating
influence over your life?
At least, that's my view of it.
I know.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "George Ricker" |
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04 Nov 2003 10:48:35 AM |
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In article <3FA7C4C7.627081DD@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
George Ricker wrote:
In article <3FA762C8.5225A9E0@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
First, I have to say it's a silly question. My wishes are irrelevant.
However, since you ask, I have no particular interest in an afterlife -
I'm not even sure what that means. I do have an interest in living, so
long as I can do so as a relatively productive person in possession of
most of my faculties. I would have no interest in an existence that was
pain-wracked - with no possibility of relief - or a persistent
vegatative state or simply amounted to prolonging my life because it was
technically feasible to do so, with no regard for the quality of the
life being prolonged.
Now, where have I seen/heard these stoically brave words before?
Seems like the common prayer to self, muttered just before climbing
down into the foxhole. Preference for death over life?... Haw.
Oh ... I see nothing stoic or brave about them, just an honest attempt
to answer your question. There are conditions in which I would not wish
to continue living. That's not a preference for death over life, simply
the recognition there may be occasions when death *is* preferable.
Finally, science-fiction scenarios aside, I'm unable to conceive of life
without death being "an issue."
Ah, but you are able to conceive it... you just did... with a bit of
prodding, of course. You asserted "an issue" by denying it. The
only way to control the outcome is to do it yourself. But then,
tho you praise life, its quality assumes that of a suicide looking
for a place to happen... existentialist?... nihilist?
Careful now ... you're beginning to babble.
Allowing a possible exception for the
raw stuff (elemental matter/energy) of which universes are made, nothing
lasts forever. Not the birds or the trees or the green, green grass.
Neither you, nor your dog, nor the flea on its *****.
You see?... science is your god. It has told you that 'matter/energy
is elemental' and you believe the fairy tale on faith alone. Yet you
brush aside as 'science fiction' your science god's promise of life
eternal. How then may one accept your denying death's debilitating
influence over your life?
Sorry, Sparky, but you saying it doesn't make it so. Just because you
are only capable of communicating in slogans and buzz words, don't
assume the rest of us suffer from the same affliction.
I understand you can't imagine not believing in some sort of god or
following some sort of religion. However, your addiction to nonsense
imposes no obligation on the rest of us to play your silly game.
Science is not a "god," and there's nothing in what I wrote to indicate
that I think it is.
Bye now.
--
George Ricker
The most accurate way to spell "one nation under 'God'" is T*H*E*O*C*R*A*C*Y.
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| User: "Yechidah" |
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04 Nov 2003 03:17:45 PM |
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Be prepared to be educated on what's what in the here Universe of ours, why
anything matters and how to make the connection to your soul - heaven and
beyond:
http://www.kabbalah.info
Blessings of Shalom,
Yechidah
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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04 Nov 2003 03:28:30 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 21:17:45 GMT in alt.atheism, Yechidah ("Yechidah"
<yechidah@earthlink.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Be prepared to be educated on what's what in the here Universe of ours, why
anything matters and how to make the connection to your soul - heaven and
beyond:
http://www.kabbalah.info
Truly the best in aural sects, though the crown of wisdom is rarely
understood and tends to go from mouth to one ear and out the other
which is (for some) a mercy born of the strength of the harmony of
love and intellect but which without a firm foundation will never
master the earth.
Which should be worth 11 points, I reckon.
Blessings of Shalom,
Yechidah
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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05 Nov 2003 11:58:34 AM |
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George Ricker wrote:
In article <3FA7C4C7.627081DD@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
George Ricker wrote:
In article <3FA762C8.5225A9E0@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
First, I have to say it's a silly question. My wishes are irrelevant.
However, since you ask, I have no particular interest in an afterlife -
I'm not even sure what that means. I do have an interest in living, so
long as I can do so as a relatively productive person in possession of
most of my faculties. I would have no interest in an existence that was
pain-wracked - with no possibility of relief - or a persistent
vegatative state or simply amounted to prolonging my life because it was
technically feasible to do so, with no regard for the quality of the
life being prolonged.
Now, where have I seen/heard these stoically brave words before?
Seems like the common prayer to self, muttered just before climbing
down into the foxhole. Preference for death over life?... Haw.
Oh ... I see nothing stoic or brave about them, just an honest attempt
to answer your question. There are conditions in which I would not wish
to continue living. That's not a preference for death over life, simply
the recognition there may be occasions when death *is* preferable.
As I said.
Finally, science-fiction scenarios aside, I'm unable to conceive of life
without death being "an issue."
Ah, but you are able to conceive it... you just did... with a bit of
prodding, of course. You asserted "an issue" by denying it. The
only way to control the outcome is to do it yourself. But then,
tho you praise life, its quality assumes that of a suicide looking
for a place to happen... existentialist?... nihilist?
Careful now ... you're beginning to babble.
How so?
Allowing a possible exception for the
raw stuff (elemental matter/energy) of which universes are made, nothing
lasts forever. Not the birds or the trees or the green, green grass.
Neither you, nor your dog, nor the flea on its *****.
You see?... science is your god. It has told you that 'matter/energy
is elemental' and you believe the fairy tale on faith alone. Yet you
brush aside as 'science fiction' your science god's promise of life
eternal. How then may one accept your denying death's debilitating
influence over your life?
Sorry, Sparky, but you saying it doesn't make it so. Just because you
are only capable of communicating in slogans and buzz words, don't
assume the rest of us suffer from the same affliction.
This from someone who writes: "Allowing a possible exception for the
raw stuff (elemental matter/energy) of which universes are made, nothing
lasts forever. Not the birds or the trees or the green, green grass." ROTFBAGL
I understand you can't imagine not believing in some sort of god or
following some sort of religion. However, your addiction to nonsense
imposes no obligation on the rest of us to play your silly game.
The "game" as you call it is an obligation owed nature... you
included, unless you're not of this world.
Science is not a "god," and there's nothing in what I wrote to indicate
that I think it is.
Denial is good.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "George Ricker" |
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05 Nov 2003 01:05:17 PM |
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In article <3FA93AE8.A4CC5816@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
George Ricker wrote:
<SNIP>
Science is not a "god," and there's nothing in what I wrote to indicate
that I think it is.
Denial is good.
Obviously, you would know more about that than I.
--
George Ricker
The most accurate way to spell "one nation under 'God'" is T*H*E*O*C*R*A*C*Y.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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05 Nov 2003 01:41:19 PM |
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George Ricker wrote:
In article <3FA93AE8.A4CC5816@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
George Ricker wrote:
<SNIP>
Science is not a "god," and there's nothing in what I wrote to indicate
that I think it is.
Denial is good.
Obviously, you would know more about that than I.
Its true. I know more about your efforts at denial than you.
Take the way you "<SNIP>" with the exception of three
words, the whole of my prior post, just so that you can
deny answering it. Not to worry, it shows your defense
mechanism is functioning properly.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
30 Oct 2003 07:07:52 PM |
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In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No. My guess is that you'll get a low rate of "yes" responses.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Psymaster" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 10:17:20 AM |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote on Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:07:52
GMT in alt.atheism:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No. My guess is that you'll get a low rate of "yes" responses.
I missed the original article, so I reply here: No.
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"I believe in nothing, I fear nothing, I am free."
-Nikos Kazantzakis
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
05 Nov 2003 08:13:16 PM |
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Psymaster wrote:
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote on Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:07:52
GMT in alt.atheism:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No. My guess is that you'll get a low rate of "yes" responses.
I missed the original article, so I reply here: No.
Do you wish death were not an issue?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
05 Nov 2003 08:11:53 PM |
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*nemo* wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
Do you wish death were not an issue?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "The Holy Kafir" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
05 Nov 2003 09:05:54 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3FA9AE63.99D2C41F@worldnet.att.net...
*nemo* wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
No.
Do you wish death were not an issue?
What's the purpose of your question?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
01 Nov 2003 02:14:12 AM |
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In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Nope.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
05 Nov 2003 11:22:05 PM |
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johac wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Nope.
Do you wish death were not an issue?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "The Holy Kafir" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
06 Nov 2003 08:10:03 AM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3FA9DAF8.45E72AD0@worldnet.att.net...
johac wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
"Geoff Offermann" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Nope.
Do you wish death were not an issue?
What's the purpose of the question? Why do you not answer, could it be
because your missionary bull ***** will be exposed? Do you really think these
people doesn't see right through you?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
30 Oct 2003 11:21:24 AM |
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In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
says...
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Seeing as how there is no evidence for it, why should I believe? You
can take that as a "No", BTW.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
03 Nov 2003 11:25:57 PM |
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quibbler wrote:
In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>,
says...
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Seeing as how there is no evidence for it, why should I believe? You
can take that as a "No", BTW.
As an atheist, do you wish there be an afterlife? Do
you wish death were not an issue?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Ian" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 11:23:13 AM |
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In article <ctbob.64205$e01.214873@attbi_s02>, said...
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Yup.
When I'm dead/buried/cremated/whatever, the matter in my body will be
consumed and live on in the bodies of a multitude of other organisms and
will most likely not ever truly die until life on the planet ceases to
exist entirely. Specifically, if I get my way I'll be buried under a
young sapling so my "next life," or at least part of it, will be as a
tree.
So I guess you could sort of say I believe in reincarnation of a sort.
If you mean "soul and heaven/hell" sort of afterlife you can put me down
as a "no" though.
--
To reply to me via email, drop the dash in the address.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 11:45:08 AM |
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Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com said...
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Yup.
When I'm dead/buried/cremated/whatever, the matter in my body will be
consumed and live on in the bodies of a multitude of other organisms and
will most likely not ever truly die until life on the planet ceases to
exist entirely. Specifically, if I get my way I'll be buried under a
young sapling so my "next life," or at least part of it, will be as a
tree.
A fruit tree? People could eat some of your old atoms in the form
of an apple or pear or orange.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 11:51:46 AM |
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Elroy Willis wrote:
Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com said...
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Yup.
When I'm dead/buried/cremated/whatever, the matter in my body will be
consumed and live on in the bodies of a multitude of other organisms and
will most likely not ever truly die until life on the planet ceases to
exist entirely. Specifically, if I get my way I'll be buried under a
young sapling so my "next life," or at least part of it, will be as a
tree.
A fruit tree? People could eat some of your old atoms in the form
of an apple or pear or orange.
I want to be used to fertilize a hops field. ;-)
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 12:12:41 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis wrote:
Ian <masakado-kou@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism
gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com said...
As an atheist, do you believe in an afterlife?
Yup.
When I'm dead/buried/cremated/whatever, the matter in my body will be
consumed and live on in the bodies of a multitude of other organisms and
will most likely not ever truly die until life on the planet ceases to
exist entirely. Specifically, if I get my way I'll be buried under a
young sapling so my "next life," or at least part of it, will be as a
tree.
A fruit tree? People could eat some of your old atoms in the form
of an apple or pear or orange.
I want to be used to fertilize a hops field. ;-)
Mmmm... Fred beer....
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Jim07D3" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 12:53:11 PM |
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Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> said:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
....
I want to be used to fertilize a hops field. ;-)
Mmmm... Fred beer....
How about a marijuana field, then we could all get Stoned. ;-)
Jim07D3
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 03:19:33 PM |
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Jim07D3 <Jim07D3@nospam.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> said:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
I want to be used to fertilize a hops field. ;-)
Mmmm... Fred beer....
How about a marijuana field, then we could all get Stoned. ;-)
I can't be sure, but I think Fred might like that idea. :-)
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Let's take a poll here... |
31 Oct 2003 03:05:00 PM |
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Jim07D3 wrote:
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> said:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in alt.atheism
...
I want to be used to fertilize a hops field. ;-)
Mmmm... Fred beer....
How about a marijuana field, then we could all get Stoned. ;-)
Just watch out, I'm getting kind of seedy. :-)
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
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