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Date: 16 Apr 2006 12:40:07 AM
Object: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection?
Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:
1. Christ's death (to atone for the sins of all mankind, forever)
2. Christ's resurrection after 3 days (Easter)(conquered death)
3. Christ ascension to heaven 40 days after Easter (gods can fly)
4. Pentecost - Holy Spirit 7 weeks after Easter (invisible power)
5. Christ's second coming (judgement day, Armageddon)
It is not difficult to understand how the first one, the idea of Jesus,
the son of God, having to die for our sins and the sins of all mankind
for all times came into being.
In the thousands of years before Christ, in many cultures human
sacrifices were seen as the ultimate appeasement with God or the gods,
as the best offering to atone for sins, to beg for
forgiveness, to ask for blessings, to ward of disasters, famine,
epidemics, to obtain salvation, etc..
As you study the many religions in the middle east and in other
areas of the world over thousands of years, you will find similar
philosophies, similar explanations, similar stories, similar gods,
similar miracles (e.g., walking on water), similar myths.
Even Abraham, according to the Bible, came close to sacrificing his son
Isaac. An ultimate sacrifice is to offer your own son!
It is not new. So the brilliant idea of the ultimate human sacrifice
to appease God --- for all sins! -- for all of mankind!-- and
forever!!! --- came into being.
A brilliant philosophy, one grandiose idea of salvation.
------------------
However who or what could be so grand, so out of this world 'big', so
all encompassing, as to qualify for a total appeasement with God?
------------------
So the idea was born that God, the loving God, loved us so dearly, that
he gave of himself, the ultimate gift of mercy.
As with Abraham, the only person that comes close is the SON!
(Remember that in those times sons were regarded as the
all-important children).
So the idea of the 'son of God' was created, the son - an ultimate
sacrifice! So God sacrificed his own son to atone for all the sins
in the world, forever. The parallel with Abraham's story and other
similar stories in many religions on an individual level is very clear.
This new bigger idea expanded the atonement not to one individual or
one family or one tribe, but it applied to all mankind and forever!
Really a brilliant idea of hope and mercy, for all of mankind.
A brilliant idea to appease God and get relief of the 'guilt' of
sin, for all human beings and for all times.
A brilliant idea that despite all our 'sins' we really have been
saved, we all have been forgiven.
------------
These ideas then historically evolved into beliefs and absolute
truths and then finally in a structured religion with laws, dogmas,
etc., called Christianity, and of course ending up with the claim of
being the only 'true' religion.
-----------
It is all man made, by brilliant thinkers and philosophers.
It has appealed to many people over many ages, so it is very likely
tied to our biological and psychological coming of age, possibly during
childhood and puberty, the coming of age of feeling terrible (sexual)
guilt, despair and loneliness. The idea that there really is salvation,
there is approval, there is absolution of guilt, there is total
acceptance by the 'Father' is so appealing!
There is no cynicism, no sarcasm here.
It is all man made, by brilliant thinkers, philosophers and prophets.
The simple fact is that all religions and gods are man made.
This explains how the central Christian dogma and belief
of the son having to be sacrificed for our sins came into being:
Beliefs in human sacrifices evolved over thousands of years into
a belief in the ultimate human sacrifice, the son of God.
That's why in Christianity Jesus had to die.
Without his death, there would be no salvation.
It is a philosophy that evolved from older pagan religions
that had human sacrifices at their center.
Although I can understand where it came from, I
fully realize it is all man made.
Of course it is a philosophy and belief I do not support.
For example, there are over 100 billion stars in our
galaxy and over 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe.
Even if every galaxy has only one planet with intelligent life on
it (a very low estimate), there would be 100 billion planets Jesus
would have had to visit and would have to die on.
It is just not a rational idea.
Christianity's beliefs are ancient beliefs, constructed by many
thinkers over thousands of years. That's why there are so
many strange, illogical and contradictory constructs in it.
Many scholars, prophets, rulers and translators have added and changed
it and inserted their own newer ideas, all the time.
That's why it often does not make sense to educated people who live
now.
Many people force themselves in all kind of mental contortions
to make sense out of Christianity's central beliefs, to
understand it, to understand the rationale. They are trying
desperately, they think, to understand the 'Word of God'.
So they study the Bible and the many explanations about it
throughout their lives, often a very laborious struggle.
However what they are really trying to do, is to understand the
words and wisdom of many different human beings who lived many
ages ago, and the many intermingled philosophies of life from
many different societies and religions.
Many people therefore also get very very lost in doing that.
So after a while they often give up all further thinking or
questioning, and they 'submit' or 'surrender' and 'give themselves up
to the Lord'.
After that they will forever parrot the standard slogans fed to them.
Such as 'we are all born in sin, so that's why Jesus had to die, and it
was really God's mercy to give us Jesus in order for us to attain
salvation and eternal life', etc.
They get lost and succumb for the simple reason that the belief
structure is a patchwork and mixture of older religions. So it is
often illogical and based on a variety of different notions.
The whole structure therefore is not simple, logical and
self-explanatory. It is a mixture of ideas, from different societies,
from different times, and from different authors and translators.
A simple example is the difference between the Old and New Testament.
The 'Old' core is an eye-for-an eye, law and militarism,
the 'New' core is love and compassion and forgiveness.
Contradictory philosophies.
As tomorrow is Easter, I have a question (for thinkers and
students/scholars of
religions and comparative religions - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, as
well as older religions) that intrigues me:
Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?
Michael M Terra
.

User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 09:00:49 AM
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:

1. Christ's death (to atone for the sins of all mankind, forever)
2. Christ's resurrection after 3 days (Easter)(conquered death)
3. Christ ascension to heaven 40 days after Easter (gods can fly)
4. Pentecost - Holy Spirit 7 weeks after Easter (invisible power)
5. Christ's second coming (judgement day, Armageddon)

that's nice dear
got any evidence?
.

User: "H Dickmann"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 12:51:31 PM
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145166007.225703.268460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:

1. Christ's death (to atone for the sins of all mankind, forever)
2. Christ's resurrection after 3 days (Easter)(conquered death)
3. Christ ascension to heaven 40 days after Easter (gods can fly)
4. Pentecost - Holy Spirit 7 weeks after Easter (invisible power)
5. Christ's second coming (judgement day, Armageddon)

It is not difficult to understand how the first one, the idea of Jesus,
the son of God, having to die for our sins and the sins of all mankind
for all times came into being.

In the thousands of years before Christ, in many cultures human
sacrifices were seen as the ultimate appeasement with God or the gods,
as the best offering to atone for sins, to beg for
forgiveness, to ask for blessings, to ward of disasters, famine,
epidemics, to obtain salvation, etc..

As you study the many religions in the middle east and in other
areas of the world over thousands of years, you will find similar
philosophies, similar explanations, similar stories, similar gods,
similar miracles (e.g., walking on water), similar myths.

Even Abraham, according to the Bible, came close to sacrificing his son
Isaac. An ultimate sacrifice is to offer your own son!

It is not new. So the brilliant idea of the ultimate human sacrifice
to appease God --- for all sins! -- for all of mankind!-- and
forever!!! --- came into being.

A brilliant philosophy, one grandiose idea of salvation.

------------------
However who or what could be so grand, so out of this world 'big', so
all encompassing, as to qualify for a total appeasement with God?
------------------

So the idea was born that God, the loving God, loved us so dearly, that
he gave of himself, the ultimate gift of mercy.

As with Abraham, the only person that comes close is the SON!
(Remember that in those times sons were regarded as the
all-important children).

--------------------------------------------------------------
You forgot Mary who obediently allowed her Son to be a sacrifice for our
sins.


So the idea of the 'son of God' was created, the son - an ultimate
sacrifice! So God sacrificed his own son to atone for all the sins
in the world, forever. The parallel with Abraham's story and other
similar stories in many religions on an individual level is very clear.

This new bigger idea expanded the atonement not to one individual or
one family or one tribe, but it applied to all mankind and forever!

Really a brilliant idea of hope and mercy, for all of mankind.

A brilliant idea to appease God and get relief of the 'guilt' of
sin, for all human beings and for all times.

A brilliant idea that despite all our 'sins' we really have been
saved, we all have been forgiven.

------------
These ideas then historically evolved into beliefs and absolute
truths and then finally in a structured religion with laws, dogmas,
etc., called Christianity, and of course ending up with the claim of
being the only 'true' religion.
-----------

It is all man made, by brilliant thinkers and philosophers.

It has appealed to many people over many ages, so it is very likely
tied to our biological and psychological coming of age, possibly during
childhood and puberty, the coming of age of feeling terrible (sexual)
guilt, despair and loneliness. The idea that there really is salvation,
there is approval, there is absolution of guilt, there is total
acceptance by the 'Father' is so appealing!

There is no cynicism, no sarcasm here.
It is all man made, by brilliant thinkers, philosophers and prophets.
The simple fact is that all religions and gods are man made.

This explains how the central Christian dogma and belief
of the son having to be sacrificed for our sins came into being:

Beliefs in human sacrifices evolved over thousands of years into
a belief in the ultimate human sacrifice, the son of God.

That's why in Christianity Jesus had to die.
Without his death, there would be no salvation.

It is a philosophy that evolved from older pagan religions
that had human sacrifices at their center.

Although I can understand where it came from, I
fully realize it is all man made.

Of course it is a philosophy and belief I do not support.

For example, there are over 100 billion stars in our
galaxy and over 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe.
Even if every galaxy has only one planet with intelligent life on
it (a very low estimate), there would be 100 billion planets Jesus
would have had to visit and would have to die on.
It is just not a rational idea.

Christianity's beliefs are ancient beliefs, constructed by many
thinkers over thousands of years. That's why there are so
many strange, illogical and contradictory constructs in it.
Many scholars, prophets, rulers and translators have added and changed
it and inserted their own newer ideas, all the time.

That's why it often does not make sense to educated people who live
now.

Many people force themselves in all kind of mental contortions
to make sense out of Christianity's central beliefs, to
understand it, to understand the rationale. They are trying
desperately, they think, to understand the 'Word of God'.

So they study the Bible and the many explanations about it
throughout their lives, often a very laborious struggle.
However what they are really trying to do, is to understand the
words and wisdom of many different human beings who lived many
ages ago, and the many intermingled philosophies of life from
many different societies and religions.

Many people therefore also get very very lost in doing that.
So after a while they often give up all further thinking or
questioning, and they 'submit' or 'surrender' and 'give themselves up
to the Lord'.

After that they will forever parrot the standard slogans fed to them.
Such as 'we are all born in sin, so that's why Jesus had to die, and it
was really God's mercy to give us Jesus in order for us to attain
salvation and eternal life', etc.

They get lost and succumb for the simple reason that the belief
structure is a patchwork and mixture of older religions. So it is
often illogical and based on a variety of different notions.
The whole structure therefore is not simple, logical and
self-explanatory. It is a mixture of ideas, from different societies,
from different times, and from different authors and translators.

A simple example is the difference between the Old and New Testament.
The 'Old' core is an eye-for-an eye, law and militarism,
the 'New' core is love and compassion and forgiveness.
Contradictory philosophies.

As tomorrow is Easter, I have a question (for thinkers and
students/scholars of
religions and comparative religions - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, as
well as older religions) that intrigues me:

Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?

Michael M Terra

.

User: "Jeff White"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 02:04:20 AM
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145166007.225703.268460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:

1. Christ's death (to atone for the sins of all mankind, forever)
2. Christ's resurrection after 3 days (Easter)(conquered death)
3. Christ ascension to heaven 40 days after Easter (gods can fly)
4. Pentecost - Holy Spirit 7 weeks after Easter (invisible power)
5. Christ's second coming (judgement day, Armageddon)

It is not difficult to understand how the first one, the idea of Jesus,
the son of God, having to die for our sins and the sins of all mankind
for all times came into being.

he had to die becaud he wud a jive turkey that wud movin in on mah ***** and
gittin down wif da OPP, mofo... an he wud a cracka!
.

User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 01:31:44 PM
<mm2terra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145166007.225703.268460@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:

1. Christ's death (to atone for the sins of all mankind, forever)
2. Christ's resurrection after 3 days (Easter)(conquered death)
3. Christ ascension to heaven 40 days after Easter (gods can fly)
4. Pentecost - Holy Spirit 7 weeks after Easter (invisible power)
5. Christ's second coming (judgement day, Armageddon)

***** off!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
.

User: "Jim07D6"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 10:24:07 AM
said:

Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:

1. Christ's death (to atone for the sins of all mankind, forever)
2. Christ's resurrection after 3 days (Easter)(conquered death)
3. Christ ascension to heaven 40 days after Easter (gods can fly)
4. Pentecost - Holy Spirit 7 weeks after Easter (invisible power)
5. Christ's second coming (judgement day, Armageddon)

<...>


Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?

A Practical Guide to THE HERO WITH A THOUSAND FACES by Joseph Campbell
http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist2/hero.htm
"THE SHORT FORM OF THE HERO STORY:
The hero is introduced in his ordinary world, where he receives the
call to adventure. He is reluctant at first but is encouraged by
the wise old man or woman to cross the first threshold, where he
encounters tests and helpers. He reaches the innermost cave, where
he endures the supreme ordeal. He seizes the sword or the treasure
and is pursued on the road back to his world. He is resurrected and
transformed by his experience. He returns to his ordinary world with
a treasure, boon, or elixir to benefit his world."
<...>
"11) RESURRECTION.
The hero emerges from the special world, transformed by his
experience. There is often a replay here of the mock
death-and-rebirth of stage 8, as the hero once again faces death and
survives. Each ordeal wins him new command over the Force. He is
transformed into a new being by his experience."
--- Jim07D6
.

User: "Gary Eickmeier"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 08:29:31 AM
wrote:

As tomorrow is Easter, I have a question (for thinkers and
students/scholars of
religions and comparative religions - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, as
well as older religions) that intrigues me:

Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?

It's pretty simple - he had to be shown victorious over death, or no one
would believe the second coming. But it's a good question, because if he
knew all along that he would be resurrected, then he didn't really die
for us, did he?
But the story on the street is that no one ever dies; we just go to
heaven. So resurrecting is no big deal - he comes back in bodily form
for a few days, then goes to heaven anyway. My question is, what is so
important about coming back to your body? If you believe the cover
story, there is no need to come back to life again, because you never
lose it.
I think we all know the story is BS, so no one really wants to die. My
gravestone will read "better place my *****."
GAry Eickmeier
.
User: "Tim Bruening"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 18 Apr 2006 04:18:25 AM
Gary Eickmeier wrote:

mm2terra@yahoo.com wrote:

As tomorrow is Easter, I have a question (for thinkers and
students/scholars of
religions and comparative religions - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, as
well as older religions) that intrigues me:

Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?


It's pretty simple - he had to be shown victorious over death, or no one
would believe the second coming. But it's a good question, because if he
knew all along that he would be resurrected, then he didn't really die
for us, did he?

But he suffered greatly. He was beaten, scourged, mocked, made to carry a
heavy cross, nailed to said cross, then had to push himself up and down in
order to breath. How many people would choose to die on a cross, even if
they knew it was only temporary?
.


User: "L. Raymond"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 02:44:01 AM
wrote:

Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?

There's nothing special about it. All nature religions include myths
about a deity who dies or is otherwise removed from the world in Winter
and comes back in Spring. Adonis and Osiris died and were resurrected,
Persephone was seized by Hades, Amateratsu withdrew into a cave etc.
When mankind's main religious thrust moved to monotheism, the old myths
were brought along and were rewritten with new gods.
--
L. Raymond
.
User: "Jeff White"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 12:08:19 PM
"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
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mm2terra@yahoo.com wrote:

Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?



There's nothing special about it. All nature religions include myths
about a deity who dies or is otherwise removed from the world in Winter
and comes back in Spring. Adonis and Osiris died and were resurrected,
Persephone was seized by Hades, Amateratsu withdrew into a cave etc.
When mankind's main religious thrust moved to monotheism, the old myths
were brought along and were rewritten with new gods.

--
L. Raymond

as i said in another post, if we're to worship someone who "gave his life"
to "save" us, why don't we worship soldiers KIA? many of them suffered far
worse than jeebus did.
.
User: "erikc"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 17 Apr 2006 12:09:25 PM
On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:08:19 -0400, "Jeff White"
<mrsknickerbaiter@hasexploded.net> wrote:


"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:eobejwwqe1ao$.j2o0vltgypq5$.dlg@40tude.net...

mm2terra@yahoo.com wrote:

Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?



There's nothing special about it. All nature religions include myths
about a deity who dies or is otherwise removed from the world in Winter
and comes back in Spring. Adonis and Osiris died and were resurrected,
Persephone was seized by Hades, Amateratsu withdrew into a cave etc.
When mankind's main religious thrust moved to monotheism, the old myths
were brought along and were rewritten with new gods.

--
L. Raymond


as i said in another post, if we're to worship someone who "gave his life"
to "save" us, why don't we worship soldiers KIA? many of them suffered far
worse than jeebus did.

[1] Makes too much sense.
[2] Would bugger GOP minds no end.
Erikc (alt.atheist #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
BAAWA Knight (retired) | "The Truth against the World."
.



User: "Tim Bruening"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 18 Apr 2006 04:13:25 AM
wrote:

Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:

1. Christ's death (to atone for the sins of all mankind, forever)
2. Christ's resurrection after 3 days (Easter)(conquered death)
3. Christ ascension to heaven 40 days after Easter (gods can fly)
4. Pentecost - Holy Spirit 7 weeks after Easter (invisible power)
5. Christ's second coming (judgement day, Armageddon)

It is not difficult to understand how the first one, the idea of Jesus,
the son of God, having to die for our sins and the sins of all mankind
for all times came into being.

In the thousands of years before Christ, in many cultures human
sacrifices were seen as the ultimate appeasement with God or the gods,
as the best offering to atone for sins, to beg for
forgiveness, to ask for blessings, to ward of disasters, famine,
epidemics, to obtain salvation, etc..

As you study the many religions in the middle east and in other
areas of the world over thousands of years, you will find similar
philosophies, similar explanations, similar stories, similar gods,
similar miracles (e.g., walking on water), similar myths.

Even Abraham, according to the Bible, came close to sacrificing his son
Isaac. An ultimate sacrifice is to offer your own son!

It is not new. So the brilliant idea of the ultimate human sacrifice
to appease God --- for all sins! -- for all of mankind!-- and
forever!!! --- came into being.

A brilliant philosophy, one grandiose idea of salvation.

------------------
However who or what could be so grand, so out of this world 'big', so
all encompassing, as to qualify for a total appeasement with God?
------------------

So the idea was born that God, the loving God, loved us so dearly, that
he gave of himself, the ultimate gift of mercy.

As with Abraham, the only person that comes close is the SON!
(Remember that in those times sons were regarded as the
all-important children).

So the idea of the 'son of God' was created, the son - an ultimate
sacrifice! So God sacrificed his own son to atone for all the sins
in the world, forever. The parallel with Abraham's story and other
similar stories in many religions on an individual level is very clear.

This new bigger idea expanded the atonement not to one individual or
one family or one tribe, but it applied to all mankind and forever!

Really a brilliant idea of hope and mercy, for all of mankind.

A brilliant idea to appease God and get relief of the 'guilt' of
sin, for all human beings and for all times.

A brilliant idea that despite all our 'sins' we really have been
saved, we all have been forgiven.

------------
These ideas then historically evolved into beliefs and absolute
truths and then finally in a structured religion with laws, dogmas,
etc., called Christianity, and of course ending up with the claim of
being the only 'true' religion.
-----------

It is all man made, by brilliant thinkers and philosophers.

It has appealed to many people over many ages, so it is very likely
tied to our biological and psychological coming of age, possibly during
childhood and puberty, the coming of age of feeling terrible (sexual)
guilt, despair and loneliness. The idea that there really is salvation,
there is approval, there is absolution of guilt, there is total
acceptance by the 'Father' is so appealing!

There is no cynicism, no sarcasm here.
It is all man made, by brilliant thinkers, philosophers and prophets.
The simple fact is that all religions and gods are man made.

This explains how the central Christian dogma and belief
of the son having to be sacrificed for our sins came into being:

Beliefs in human sacrifices evolved over thousands of years into
a belief in the ultimate human sacrifice, the son of God.

That's why in Christianity Jesus had to die.
Without his death, there would be no salvation.

It is a philosophy that evolved from older pagan religions
that had human sacrifices at their center.

Although I can understand where it came from, I
fully realize it is all man made.

Of course it is a philosophy and belief I do not support.

For example, there are over 100 billion stars in our
galaxy and over 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe.
Even if every galaxy has only one planet with intelligent life on
it (a very low estimate), there would be 100 billion planets Jesus
would have had to visit and would have to die on.
It is just not a rational idea.

Christianity's beliefs are ancient beliefs, constructed by many
thinkers over thousands of years. That's why there are so
many strange, illogical and contradictory constructs in it.
Many scholars, prophets, rulers and translators have added and changed
it and inserted their own newer ideas, all the time.

That's why it often does not make sense to educated people who live
now.

Many people force themselves in all kind of mental contortions
to make sense out of Christianity's central beliefs, to
understand it, to understand the rationale. They are trying
desperately, they think, to understand the 'Word of God'.

So they study the Bible and the many explanations about it
throughout their lives, often a very laborious struggle.
However what they are really trying to do, is to understand the
words and wisdom of many different human beings who lived many
ages ago, and the many intermingled philosophies of life from
many different societies and religions.

Many people therefore also get very very lost in doing that.
So after a while they often give up all further thinking or
questioning, and they 'submit' or 'surrender' and 'give themselves up
to the Lord'.

After that they will forever parrot the standard slogans fed to them.
Such as 'we are all born in sin, so that's why Jesus had to die, and it
was really God's mercy to give us Jesus in order for us to attain
salvation and eternal life', etc.

They get lost and succumb for the simple reason that the belief
structure is a patchwork and mixture of older religions. So it is
often illogical and based on a variety of different notions.
The whole structure therefore is not simple, logical and
self-explanatory. It is a mixture of ideas, from different societies,
from different times, and from different authors and translators.

A simple example is the difference between the Old and New Testament.
The 'Old' core is an eye-for-an eye, law and militarism,
the 'New' core is love and compassion and forgiveness.
Contradictory philosophies.

As tomorrow is Easter, I have a question (for thinkers and
students/scholars of
religions and comparative religions - Christianity, Judaism, Islam, as
well as older religions) that intrigues me:

Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?

I bet that Christianity wouldn't have become so popular if not for Jesus'
spectacular Resurrection (witnessed by over 500 people!)! Without the
Resurrection, it would have been lost as just another Jewish sect.
.
User: "Ozzy"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 18 Apr 2006 08:16:27 PM
Tim Bruening wrote:

I bet that Christianity wouldn't have become so popular if not for Jesus'
spectacular Resurrection (witnessed by over 500 people!)!

All of whom, driven by their state of religious ecstacy, left
written accounts immediately after the fact. Hypergraphia
is common among zealots. So where's the bacon?
Easter *really* needs to be changed from mid-April to
two weeks prior.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 18 Apr 2006 12:48:04 PM
Ver true not only that but to parapharse paul
without the ressurection Christianity would be pointless as Death would
have defeated the Messaih
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 18 Apr 2006 06:44:58 PM
"daitomas@aol.com" wrote:

Ver true not only that but to parapharse paul

without the ressurection Christianity would be pointless as Death would
have defeated the Messaih

===>But he was wrong, because his new-fangled god "Christos"
did not defeat death: he and all his followers died, instead of being
taken up into the air, as he promised to the Thessalonians. ;-) -- L.
*** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***
.



User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 04:41:00 PM
wrote:

Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:

<snip>


Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?

The Pagan mystery religions laid the brickwork for Christianity. In
fact, Christ is a complete fabrication based on Horus of Egypt, Mithras
of Persia, and Krishna of India, among others. All of these purportedly
lead lives of poverty, were nomadic preachers, died as martyrs, and were
resurrected to overcome death. The similarities to the Christ myth
don't stop there, though. Some of the pagan godmen were carpenters, a
few walked on water, some were fishermen become fishers of men. Most of
them were crucified - some even between two thieves. Great miracles
were common among these godmen, because miracles come from a higher
authority and cannot be questioned.
Jesus was not born of any gods or virgins. He was hatched from an
injection mold.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC department of little adhesive-backed shiny plastic
L-shaped doo-dads to add feet to Jesus Fish department
It is safe to say that the bible contains equal amounts of fact, history
and pizza.
-Penn Jillette
.
User: "Tim Bruening"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 20 Apr 2006 03:10:13 AM
Uncle Vic wrote:

mm2terra@yahoo.com wrote:

Some dogmas and core beliefs of Christianity are:


<snip>


Resurrection - In view of the above, who can give an explanation
of why the resurrection of Jesus was added to the dogmas
of Christianity? Where did it come from? What was the idea?
Where/what are its roots in older religions?


The Pagan mystery religions laid the brickwork for Christianity. In
fact, Christ is a complete fabrication based on Horus of Egypt, Mithras
of Persia, and Krishna of India, among others. All of these purportedly
lead lives of poverty, were nomadic preachers, died as martyrs, and were
resurrected to overcome death. The similarities to the Christ myth
don't stop there, though. Some of the pagan godmen were carpenters, a
few walked on water, some were fishermen become fishers of men. Most of
them were crucified - some even between two thieves. Great miracles
were common among these godmen, because miracles come from a higher
authority and cannot be questioned.

Jesus was not born of any gods or virgins. He was hatched from an
injection mold.

The famous 1st Century Jewish historian Joesphus mentioned Jesus in 2 of his
writings, and a record of Jesus also exists in the Jewish rabbinical
collection of writings known as the Talmud. This would indicate that he
existed, since if he didn't, the Jewish historian and the Talmud would have
said that he didn't exist, since 1st Century Jewish leaders were opposed to
Christianity as a threat to their power.
The Roman historian Tacitus blamed the great AD 64 fire in Rome on
Christians. He derived their name from "Christus", taken from the man
executed by the Roman governor Pontius Pilate.
Around 112 AD, Pliny the Younger (Roman governor of Bithnyia) wrote a letter
to Roman Emperor Trajan telling him about Christians who worshipped Christ
as a god. The Roman Emperor wrote back. Neither of them questioned Jesus'
existence.
.


User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Happy Easter - Why Jesus had to die - But why his Resurrection? 16 Apr 2006 11:19:03 AM
yes, why couldn't the all-powerful shithole christian god just said from
heaven, hey, all of your sins are fogiven.
why this big fucking charade with "jesus", why MURDER his only son. I guess
Abraham wasn't around anymore, and we all know how much the christian god
loves to MURDER people, so hey, why not kill his only son this time.
.


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