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User: "Kurt Nicklas"
Date: 15 Aug 2005 06:04:29 AM
Object: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate
Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate Sun Aug 14, 9:33 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_sc/harvard_evolution;_ylt=Auc0csbLibvvv3MEx9hRBQas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Harvard University is joining the long-running debate over
the theory of evolution by launching a research project to study how life began.

The team of researchers will receive $1 million in funding annually from Harvard
over the next few years. The project begins with an admission that some
mysteries about life's origins cannot be explained.
"My expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple series
of logical events that could have taken place with no divine intervention," said
David R. Liu, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard.
The "Origins of Life in the Universe Initiative" is still in its early stages,
scientists told the Boston Sunday Globe. Harvard has told the research team to
make plans for adding faculty members and a collection of multimillion-dollar
facilities.
Evolution is a fundamental scientific theory that species evolved over millions
of years. It has been standard in most public school science texts for decades
but recently re-emerged in the spotlight as communities and some states debated
whether school children should also be taught about creationism or intelligent
design.
The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have
developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand
in creation.
Harvard has not been seen as a leader in origins of life research, but the
university's vast resources could change that perception.
"It is quite gratifying to see Harvard is going for a solution to a problem that
will be remembered 100 years from now," said Steven Benner, a University of
Florida scientist who is one of the world's top chemists in origins-of-life
research.
--
Kurt Nicklas
"I'm stating truths, not making an
argument."
---Scott Erb (scotterb@worldnet.att.net)
.

User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 12:40:38 PM
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Harvard University is joining the
long-running debate over the theory of evolution by
launching a research project to study how life began.

The irony is killing me.
And, yeah, I have no doubt the ignorance is coming from the
writer and not Harvard.
Hint: "Evolution" doesn't deal with how life began, it deals
with how different species began.
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 11:37:14 PM
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote

CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Harvard University is joining the
long-running debate over the theory of evolution by
launching a research project to study how life began.


The irony is killing me.

And, yeah, I have no doubt the ignorance is coming from the
writer and not Harvard.

Hint: "Evolution" doesn't deal with how life began, it deals
with how different species began.

My bet is on the reporter being deficient in his or her biology.
.


User: ""

Title: KNICKLAS Jumps Into "Hang up" Phone calls Debate 15 Aug 2005 08:22:15 AM
On 15 Aug 2005 04:04:29 -0700, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru>
wrote:

Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate Sun Aug 14, 9:33 PM ET

Right up your alley, Knickkkers
The "evolution" of you being asskicked so bad caused you to "change"
into a lonely drunk making late-night Hang-up phone calls.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

NOSPAMrocketmail.com (Kurt Nicklas) wrote as if right wingers had a
clue

Rapidnet has ALREADY had 9 complaints against you?
Really? Your ISP allows threats of violence? Interesting........

Rapid net allows laughing at dumb assholes,
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User: "Bret Cahill"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 12:44:25 PM
Some might think confused fundies could be a driving force for science.
It's not. It's nothing but white noise and no matter how much you
explain anything or everything to fundies they'll always be confused --
just as the GOP wants them.
Bret Cahill
.

User: "Roger"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 06:33:52 AM
What a waste of money.
What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of research?
"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:ddpsrt01192@drn.newsguy.com...

Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate Sun Aug 14, 9:33 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_sc/harvard_evolution;_ylt=Auc0csbLibvvv3MEx9hRBQas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-


CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Harvard University is joining the long-running debate
over
the theory of evolution by launching a research project to study how life
began.

The team of researchers will receive $1 million in funding annually from
Harvard
over the next few years. The project begins with an admission that some
mysteries about life's origins cannot be explained.

"My expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple
series
of logical events that could have taken place with no divine
intervention," said
David R. Liu, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard.

The "Origins of Life in the Universe Initiative" is still in its early
stages,
scientists told the Boston Sunday Globe. Harvard has told the research
team to
make plans for adding faculty members and a collection of
multimillion-dollar
facilities.

Evolution is a fundamental scientific theory that species evolved over
millions
of years. It has been standard in most public school science texts for
decades
but recently re-emerged in the spotlight as communities and some states
debated
whether school children should also be taught about creationism or
intelligent
design.

The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have
developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a
hand
in creation.

Harvard has not been seen as a leader in origins of life research, but the
university's vast resources could change that perception.

"It is quite gratifying to see Harvard is going for a solution to a
problem that
will be remembered 100 years from now," said Steven Benner, a University
of
Florida scientist who is one of the world's top chemists in
origins-of-life
research.


--
Kurt Nicklas
"I'm stating truths, not making an
argument."
---Scott Erb (scotterb@worldnet.att.net)

.
User: "Llanzlan Klazmon"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 08:40:42 PM
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:A4%Le.2439$Hn3.1738@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net:

What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of
research?

Remind me what the Iraq fiasco has cost so far? Did someone say something
about a waste of money? Actually, very little research resources have gone
into abiogenesis study over 150 years. The technology now available for
such research allows things to be done that were not possible for 145 of
those 150 years. It's time to undertake a serious study of it. I think it
would be a very useful project just to learn a lot of new and interesting
chemistry.
Klazmon.
<SNIP>
.

User: "Agki"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 07:49:39 AM
Maybe a great deal! How would we know unless we did more research?
And, really, 1 megabuck isn't going to do a hell of a lot of research.
The question of the chemical origin of life is not particularly
important anyway. Even if we spent terrabucks on it, we would not come
near exhausting the chemical and physical combinations that are
possible as conditions initiatating of the chemical phase of evolution.
But we might make some really important chemical discoveries the
spinoffs of which might pay for the whole thing.
Agki
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 08:03:11 AM
"Agki" <agkistrodon@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:1124110179.224187.20560@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

Maybe a great deal! How would we know unless we did more research?

$1 million won't buy that answer.

And, really, 1 megabuck isn't going to do a hell of a lot of research.
The question of the chemical origin of life is not particularly
important anyway. Even if we spent terrabucks on it, we would not come
near exhausting the chemical and physical combinations that are
possible as conditions initiatating of the chemical phase of evolution.
But we might make some really important chemical discoveries the
spinoffs of which might pay for the whole thing.

Agki

.
User: "Agki"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 03:19:09 PM
Sure it will. Just give me the million bucks and I'll tell you the
answers.
Agki
.



User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 01:36:51 PM
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:33:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Roger"
<rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
<A4%Le.2439$Hn3.1738@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net> wrote:

What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of research?

I agree. Unfortunately I forget when it was that research stopped
producing anything of value. Was it this year? Last year? Please tell
us what year it was when research in biology stopped being of any
value.
--
Matt Silberstein
Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
Cliff on Cheers
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 11:35:42 PM
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:i4o1g1p2cmci88fe2uqmmhet92jek7jgmq@4ax.com...

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:33:52 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Roger"
<rogerfx@hotmail.com> in
<A4%Le.2439$Hn3.1738@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net> wrote:

What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of research?


I agree. Unfortunately I forget when it was that research stopped
producing anything of value. Was it this year? Last year? Please tell
us what year it was when research in biology stopped being of any
value.

You are correct. You never know what you might find, by whom, and when.
.


User: "Skull and Bones"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 07:40:39 AM
Roger wrote:


What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of research?

Harvard is full of skulls and bones.
Get your Miracle Holy Spring Water:
Call 1-800-205-0367
Now !


"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:ddpsrt01192@drn.newsguy.com...

Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate Sun Aug 14, 9:33 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_sc/harvard_evolution;_ylt=Auc0csbLibvvv3MEx9hRBQas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-



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User: "Agki"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 07:50:17 AM
Skull and Bones is at Yale, not Harvard.
Agki
.


User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 11:34:08 AM
Roger wrote:

What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of research?

Weapons of Mass Destruction?
Oops, wrong subject.



"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:ddpsrt01192@drn.newsguy.com...

Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate Sun Aug 14, 9:33 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_sc/harvard_evolution;_ylt=Auc0csbLibvvv3MEx9hRBQas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-


CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Harvard University is joining the long-running debate
over
the theory of evolution by launching a research project to study how life
began.

The team of researchers will receive $1 million in funding annually from
Harvard
over the next few years. The project begins with an admission that some
mysteries about life's origins cannot be explained.

"My expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple
series
of logical events that could have taken place with no divine
intervention," said
David R. Liu, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard.

The "Origins of Life in the Universe Initiative" is still in its early
stages,
scientists told the Boston Sunday Globe. Harvard has told the research
team to
make plans for adding faculty members and a collection of
multimillion-dollar
facilities.

Evolution is a fundamental scientific theory that species evolved over
millions
of years. It has been standard in most public school science texts for
decades
but recently re-emerged in the spotlight as communities and some states
debated
whether school children should also be taught about creationism or
intelligent
design.

The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to have
developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a
hand
in creation.

Harvard has not been seen as a leader in origins of life research, but the
university's vast resources could change that perception.

"It is quite gratifying to see Harvard is going for a solution to a
problem that
will be remembered 100 years from now," said Steven Benner, a University
of
Florida scientist who is one of the world's top chemists in
origins-of-life
research.


--
Kurt Nicklas
"I'm stating truths, not making an
argument."
---Scott Erb (scotterb@worldnet.att.net)




--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
****************************************************
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User: "Roger"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 11:34:45 PM
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4u3Me.5616$1b5.500@trnddc05...

Roger wrote:

What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of
research?


Weapons of Mass Destruction?


Oops, wrong subject.

That's okay. Much much more than $1 million was spent not finding WMD.




"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnicklas@aport2000.ru> wrote in message
news:ddpsrt01192@drn.newsguy.com...

Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate Sun Aug 14, 9:33 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050815/ap_on_sc/harvard_evolution;_ylt=Auc0csbLibvvv3MEx9hRBQas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-


CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - Harvard University is joining the long-running debate
over
the theory of evolution by launching a research project to study how life
began.

The team of researchers will receive $1 million in funding annually from
Harvard
over the next few years. The project begins with an admission that some
mysteries about life's origins cannot be explained.

"My expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple
series
of logical events that could have taken place with no divine
intervention," said
David R. Liu, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard.

The "Origins of Life in the Universe Initiative" is still in its early
stages,
scientists told the Boston Sunday Globe. Harvard has told the research
team to
make plans for adding faculty members and a collection of
multimillion-dollar
facilities.

Evolution is a fundamental scientific theory that species evolved over
millions
of years. It has been standard in most public school science texts for
decades
but recently re-emerged in the spotlight as communities and some states
debated
whether school children should also be taught about creationism or
intelligent
design.

The theory of intelligent design says life on earth is too complex to
have
developed through evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a
hand
in creation.

Harvard has not been seen as a leader in origins of life research, but
the
university's vast resources could change that perception.

"It is quite gratifying to see Harvard is going for a solution to a
problem that
will be remembered 100 years from now," said Steven Benner, a University
of
Florida scientist who is one of the world's top chemists in
origins-of-life
research.


--
Kurt Nicklas
"I'm stating truths, not making an
argument."
---Scott Erb (scotterb@worldnet.att.net)






--

****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
****************************************************

.
User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 15 Aug 2005 11:36:08 PM
Roger wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4u3Me.5616$1b5.500@trnddc05...

Roger wrote:

What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of
research?


Weapons of Mass Destruction?


Oops, wrong subject.



That's okay. Much much more than $1 million was spent not finding WMD.

Well, at least the $1 million and 150 years was well spent. We found
the evidence proving evolution exists. :-)
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
****************************************************
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 16 Aug 2005 01:10:10 AM
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:Y2eMe.5393$H_4.1590@trnddc07...

Roger wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4u3Me.5616$1b5.500@trnddc05...

Roger wrote:

What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of
research?


Weapons of Mass Destruction?


Oops, wrong subject.



That's okay. Much much more than $1 million was spent not finding WMD.


Well, at least the $1 million and 150 years was well spent. We found the
evidence proving evolution exists. :-)

Not so that the morons would understand it.
They even go about creating theories that have no basis in any evidence.
Theories even the leader of the world thinks have some validity.
.
User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 16 Aug 2005 04:57:17 AM
Roger wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:Y2eMe.5393$H_4.1590@trnddc07...

Roger wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4u3Me.5616$1b5.500@trnddc05...


Roger wrote:


What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of
research?


Weapons of Mass Destruction?


Oops, wrong subject.



That's okay. Much much more than $1 million was spent not finding WMD.


Well, at least the $1 million and 150 years was well spent. We found the
evidence proving evolution exists. :-)



Not so that the morons would understand it.

They even go about creating theories that have no basis in any evidence.

Theories even the leader of the world thinks have some validity.

That's the problem with evolution. If you start explaining it, people
fall asleep. Once you get to Australopithecus, you've lost half the room.
We need some way to spice it up... Maybe a liberal use of sexual
innuendo, sports statistics, or perhaps, a dead body, will keep the
attention of these folks. :-)
--
****************************************************
* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
****************************************************
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: !Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate 16 Aug 2005 06:34:18 AM
"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:1MiMe.8618$1b5.3921@trnddc05...

Roger wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:Y2eMe.5393$H_4.1590@trnddc07...

Roger wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4u3Me.5616$1b5.500@trnddc05...


Roger wrote:


What a waste of money.

What will $1 million find that hasn't been found in 150 years of
research?


Weapons of Mass Destruction?


Oops, wrong subject.



That's okay. Much much more than $1 million was spent not finding WMD.


Well, at least the $1 million and 150 years was well spent. We found the
evidence proving evolution exists. :-)



Not so that the morons would understand it.

They even go about creating theories that have no basis in any evidence.

Theories even the leader of the world thinks have some validity.


That's the problem with evolution. If you start explaining it, people
fall asleep. Once you get to Australopithecus, you've lost half the room.

We need some way to spice it up... Maybe a liberal use of sexual
innuendo, sports statistics, or perhaps, a dead body, will keep the
attention of these folks. :-)

I've read quite a few books about it and I can't think of a way to make it
palatable to the masses. That's what school is for, I guess; force you to
learn even the "boring" topics. Even the most highly praised books are for
science readers.
The CSI shows have at least brought some science to the masses in a mostly
accurate form, even if the rest is questionable.
.








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