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"G-Ride" |
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31 Aug 2005 01:38:49 AM |
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Has Dear Leader come back from vacation? |
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd think he'd
actually do something to assist the residents of New Orleans and the gulf
coast. Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of the National
Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home where they could do the
job that they likely signed up for - disaster relief.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war. Such a
leader.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Has Dear Leader come back from vacation? |
31 Aug 2005 02:37:09 AM |
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkg2bF1vneeU1@individual.net:
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd think
he'd actually do something to assist the residents of New Orleans and
the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.htm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
RANDOLPH E. SCHMID
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Medical disaster assistance teams from across the country
were deployed to the area devastated by Hurricane Katrina. The Red Cross
sent in 185 emergency vehicles to provide meals. And President Bush cut
short his vacation Tuesday to return to Washington to focus on the storm
damage.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the president will chair a
meeting Wednesday of a White House task force set up to coordinate the
federal response and relief effort.
"We have a lot of work to do," the president said of the storm FEMA
director Michael Brown has termed catastrophic.
"This hurricane has caused devastation over a wide area," Brown said.
Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott urged the president to visit the damaged
region.
"Mr. President, the people of Mississippi are flat on their backs.
They're going to need your help," Lott said in a call to Bush. "I urge
you to come to Mississippi. Your visit would be very good for the morale
of Mississippians who are hurting right now."
Brown's agency said medical specialists from Washington state were
joining similar teams called in from Massachusetts, New Mexico, Ohio,
North Carolina, Oklahoma and Florida to assist people in damaged areas.
Katrina came ashore Monday between New Orleans and Biloxi, Miss.,
inundating large areas of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.
FEMA's emergency medical teams are designed to be self-sufficient, being
able to triage and treat as many as 250 patients over 72 hours. The
teams bring their own supplies, including food and medicine.
The teams can handle trauma, pediatrics, surgery and mental health
problems. Two Veterinary Medical Assistance Teams are also included to
handle pets and rescue dogs.
The American Red Cross, meanwhile, reported it had about 40,000 people
in 200 shelters across the area.
Red Cross said it had 185 emergency response vehicles on the scene or en
route. These trucks provide breakfast, lunch and dinner to storm
victims. Some 2,000 Red Cross volunteers from across the country were
joining workers in the area.
FEMA said it has 500 trucks of ice, 500 trucks of water and 350 trucks
of military meals ready to eat scheduled for distribution over the next
10 days.
The Coast Guard received hundreds of calls for help and has assisted in
the rescue of more than 1,200 people, spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Jeff Carter
said Tuesday.
He said the Coast Guard had received reports that seven mobile offshore
oil drilling rigs were adrift, and was working with companies on
recovery and salvage plans.
The Coast Guard was conducting search-and-rescue missions and damage
assessments by air and water, and was flying supplies to affected areas,
Carter said.
In addition, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff - whose agency
oversees the Coast Guard - has authorized the call-up of 550 Coast Guard
reservists to help in recovery operations, Carter said.
In other developments:
_The Air Force said flooding and high winds damaged bases in Florida and
Mississippi. Keesler Air Force Base in Mississippi suffered extensive
damage to base housing, training facilities and industrial areas and
flooding and downed trees also battered buildings at Homestead Air Force
Base in Florida. Army officials were en route to Camp Shelby in
Mississippi, where power had been knocked out, and fallen trees and
flooding had done some damage. Navy officials were still evaluating the
damage to bases and facilities in the area, including Pensacola Naval
Air Station in Florida, and Naval Station Pascagoula in Mississippi.
_NASA reported Stennis Space Center in Mississippi and Michoud Assembly
Facility in New Orleans were closed during recovery efforts. NASA's
Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala., sustained minor damage
and is providing support to Stennis and Michoud.
_The Department of Health and Human Services reported it had sent 27
pallets of medical supplies to Louisiana. These include basic first aid
material such as bandages, pads and ice packs as well as blankets and
patient clothing, suture kits, sterile gloves, stethoscopes, blood
pressure measuring kits and portable oxygen tanks.
_The storm shut down oil and natural gas operations in the Gulf of
Mexico, representing about 8 percent of U.S. refining capacity or about
1 million barrels, further driving up gasoline prices. The president is
considering tapping the emergency petroleum stockpile to provide
refineries a temporary supply of crude oil to replace interrupted
shipments from tankers or offshore oil platforms affected by the storm.
_The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration sent out
Navigational Response Teams to survey ports and waterways for damage and
to work with the Coast Guard and Army Corps of Engineers in getting
ports open again. New Orleans and Mobile, Ala., are two of the nation's
most active commercial ports.
_The National Geodetic Survey prepared to launch aerial surveys to
assess for damage from erosion along levees and major evacuation routes.
_The Coast Guard asked the public in the hurricane-damaged area to
report any oil spills or releases of hazardous materials. The response
center phone number is (800) 424-8802.
_The Postal Service has shut down operations in New Orleans and in
nearby storm-damaged areas. Some local post offices were reopening in
Mississippi, but more than 200 lacked electricity, officials said.
Mississippi postal officials said in locations where offices are closed
plans are being developed to make first-of-the-month checks available at
designated sites.
_The Agriculture Department allowed 90,000 additional tons of sugar from
domestic and imported sources onto the market because two New Orleans
sugar refineries have been closed. The U.S. controls how much sugar is
on the market and said the additional supplies would be available
immediately.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The usual cause of evil in the world is that at any given time
half the people in the world are awake. "
- Dean Rusk
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Has Dear Leader come back from vacation? |
31 Aug 2005 03:46:31 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125455829.214cf1268ad41e858468d8f43dc0c29e@teranews...
"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkg2bF1vneeU1@individual.net:
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd think
he'd actually do something to assist the residents of New Orleans and
the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself.
The only fool here is you who always shows up right on cue to defend and
worship your Dear Leader.
And you seem to have left out this part:
Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of the National
Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home where they could do the
job that they likely signed up for - disaster relief.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war. Such a
leader.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.htm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
That's awful nice of Bush. But first he stopped in San Diego to pimp his
war. And he's going to wait until Wednesday to "chair a meeting" while
people are dying. Not much leadership described in your little article.
But then again, bush worshippers like yourself have set the bar pretty low
in that department.
And let's not forget that he played golf while the storm hit. And has cut
funding in the last few years to N.O. that may have helped prevent some of
the flooding to help pay for his little war in Iraq.
And this is the "leader" you worship. Tell me, do you tithe the minimum 10%
to the church of bush, or do you give more?
--
Aloha,
G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Has Dear Leader come back from vacation? |
31 Aug 2005 11:47:17 AM |
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkngpF20k6kU1@individual.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125455829.214cf1268ad41e858468d8f43dc0c29e@teranews...
"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkg2bF1vneeU1@individual.net:
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd think
he'd actually do something to assist the residents of New Orleans
and the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of
yourself.
The only fool here is you who always shows up right on cue to defend
and worship your Dear Leader.
And you seem to have left out this part:
Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of the
National Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home where they
could do the job that they likely signed up for - disaster relief.
The Guard signs up for whatever mission they're sent to do.
FEMA and the Guard don't need Presidential orders to execute their
disaster plans.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war. Such a
leader.
Gee, you mean he actually pays attention to more than one issue at a
time? Gosh, how terrible! A president who can deal with several issues
at once! Run him out of office!
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.htm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
That's awful nice of Bush. But first he stopped in San Diego to pimp
his war.
You never heard of telephones?
And he's going to wait until Wednesday to "chair a meeting"
while people are dying.
Hey, shame on all those Democrats, too. They could have all lined up on
the coast and put their hot air to use to *BLOW* Katrina back out to
sea.
Not much leadership described in your little
article. But then again, bush worshippers like yourself have set the
bar pretty low in that department.
Yeah, we expect him to actually take care of business instead of
posturing for the cameras.
And let's not forget that he played golf while the storm hit. And has
cut funding in the last few years to N.O. that may have helped prevent
some of the flooding to help pay for his little war in Iraq.
N.O. can't pay for it's own flood control?
And this is the "leader" you worship. Tell me, do you tithe the
minimum 10% to the church of bush, or do you give more?
No, but I see you give your all to the Mosque of Moore-ons.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The usual cause of evil in the world is that at any given time
half the people in the world are awake. "
- Dean Rusk
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Has Dear Leader come back from vacation? |
31 Aug 2005 06:33:50 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkg2bF1vneeU1@individual.net:
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd think
he'd actually do something to assist the residents of New Orleans
and the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of
yourself.
The only fool here is you who always shows up right on cue to defend
and worship your Dear Leader.
And you seem to have left out this part:
Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of the
National Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home where they
could do the job that they likely signed up for - disaster relief.
The Guard signs up for whatever mission they're sent to do.
How convenient that response is for you bush worshipping sycophants. I'm
sure the LA national guard are extremely happy to be in Iraq right now,
rather than back home where they could be helping their families, neighbors
and communities by saving lives and helping cleaning up.
FEMA and the Guard don't need Presidential orders to execute their
disaster plans.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war. Such a
leader.
Gee, you mean he actually pays attention to more than one issue at a
time? Gosh, how terrible! A president who can deal with several issues
at once! Run him out of office!
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.htm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
That's awful nice of Bush. But first he stopped in San Diego to pimp
his war.
You never heard of telephones?
And he's going to wait until Wednesday to "chair a meeting"
while people are dying.
Hey, shame on all those Democrats, too. They could have all lined up on
the coast and put their hot air to use to *BLOW* Katrina back out to
sea.
Ah, poor delusional Fred. Thinks that the hurricane is the fault of
democrats.
Not much leadership described in your little
article. But then again, bush worshippers like yourself have set the
bar pretty low in that department.
Yeah, we expect him to actually take care of business instead of
posturing for the cameras.
And let's not forget that he played golf while the storm hit. And has
cut funding in the last few years to N.O. that may have helped prevent
some of the flooding to help pay for his little war in Iraq.
N.O. can't pay for it's own flood control?
Not for federal projects designed to help prevent flooding from just this
kind of disaster. Do try to keep up, Fred. If you did, you wouldn't look
so foolish.
And this is the "leader" you worship. Tell me, do you tithe the
minimum 10% to the church of bush, or do you give more?
No, but I see you give your all to the Mosque of Moore-ons.
Like a good little disciple, Fred continues to worship his boy-king.
Too bad Bush cut funding that may have made a difference for N.O. Perhaps
some of those unfinished leavees would have been completed. Too bad troops
and equipment that would come in real handy right now are sitting in Iraq.
Too bad you care more about a party and a president than you do about your
own country. But keep on worshipping bush, Fred. It's what you do best.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Has Dear Leader come back from vacation? |
31 Aug 2005 08:08:35 PM |
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125455829.214cf1268ad41e858468d8f43dc0c29e@teranews...
"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkg2bF1vneeU1@individual.net:
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd
think he'd actually do something to assist the residents of New
Orleans and the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of
yourself.
The only fool here is you who always shows up right on cue to
defend and worship your Dear Leader.
And you seem to have left out this part:
Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of the
National Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home where
they could do the job that they likely signed up for - disaster
relief.
The Guard signs up for whatever mission they're sent to do.
How convenient that response is for you bush worshipping sycophants.
Yes, the truth is convenient for those who believe it.
I'm sure the LA national guard are extremely happy to be in Iraq right
now, rather than back home where they could be helping their families,
neighbors and communities by saving lives and helping cleaning up.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-katrina-
national-guard,1,6488472.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
"In Louisiana, which took the brunt of Katrina, some 3,000 members of
the 256th Combat Brigade are in Iraq, while 3,500 members of the Guard
were deployed to help hurricane victims and another 3,000 were on
standby.
In neighboring Mississippi, the Guard had 853 troops on hurricane duty
-- a small slice of the more than 7,000 Guard troops in the state's
ground and air components. Some 3,000 National Guard troops from
Mississippi are in Iraq, another 300 in Afghanistan."
FEMA and the Guard don't need Presidential orders to execute their
disaster plans.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war.
Such a leader.
Gee, you mean he actually pays attention to more than one issue at a
time? Gosh, how terrible! A president who can deal with several
issues at once! Run him out of office!
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.h
tm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
That's awful nice of Bush. But first he stopped in San Diego to
pimp his war.
You never heard of telephones?
And he's going to wait until Wednesday to "chair a meeting"
while people are dying.
Hey, shame on all those Democrats, too. They could have all lined up
on the coast and put their hot air to use to *BLOW* Katrina back out
to sea.
Ah, poor delusional Fred. Thinks that the hurricane is the fault of
democrats.
Poor delusional G-Ride, thinks the hurricane is the fault of
Republicans.
Not much leadership described in your little
article. But then again, bush worshippers like yourself have set
the bar pretty low in that department.
Yeah, we expect him to actually take care of business instead of
posturing for the cameras.
And let's not forget that he played golf while the storm hit. And
has cut funding in the last few years to N.O. that may have helped
prevent some of the flooding to help pay for his little war in
Iraq.
N.O. can't pay for it's own flood control?
Not for federal projects designed to help prevent flooding from just
this kind of disaster. Do try to keep up, Fred. If you did, you
wouldn't look so foolish.
Prove that the funding cuts affected flood control projects.
And this is the "leader" you worship. Tell me, do you tithe the
minimum 10% to the church of bush, or do you give more?
No, but I see you give your all to the Mosque of Moore-ons.
Like a good little disciple, Fred continues to worship his boy-king.
Too bad Bush cut funding that may have made a difference for N.O.
Perhaps some of those unfinished leavees would have been completed.
Prove it.
Too bad troops and equipment that would come in real handy right now
are sitting in Iraq.
Prove it.
Too bad you care more about a party and a president than you do about
your own country. But keep on worshipping bush, Fred. It's what you
do best.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The usual cause of evil in the world is that at any given time
half the people in the world are awake. "
- Dean Rusk
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Has Dear Leader come back from vacation? |
31 Aug 2005 11:43:42 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkg2bF1vneeU1@individual.net:
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd
think he'd actually do something to assist the residents of New
Orleans and the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of
yourself.
The only fool here is you who always shows up right on cue to
defend and worship your Dear Leader.
And you seem to have left out this part:
Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of the
National Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home where
they could do the job that they likely signed up for - disaster
relief.
The Guard signs up for whatever mission they're sent to do.
How convenient that response is for you bush worshipping sycophants.
Yes, the truth is convenient for those who believe it.
Too bad you choose to ignore it.
"Traditionally, members of the Guard and Reservists trained one weekend a
month and spent two weeks in the summer training at a military base. They
might be called away for storm duty, as Charlie Company often was as
hurricanes and tropical storms touched southern Louisiana. But seldom were
they called away for months at a time.
That new reality is putting tremendous strain on the Guard and Reserves,
which make up half of all military personnel. Both are struggling to
maintain their strength."
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.htm
I'm sure the LA national guard are extremely happy to be in Iraq right
now, rather than back home where they could be helping their families,
neighbors and communities by saving lives and helping cleaning up.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-katrina-
national-guard,1,6488472.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
"In Louisiana, which took the brunt of Katrina, some 3,000 members of
the 256th Combat Brigade are in Iraq, while 3,500 members of the Guard
were deployed to help hurricane victims and another 3,000 were on
standby.
In neighboring Mississippi, the Guard had 853 troops on hurricane duty
-- a small slice of the more than 7,000 Guard troops in the state's
ground and air components. Some 3,000 National Guard troops from
Mississippi are in Iraq, another 300 in Afghanistan."
I'm sure that those that are on the ground could use twice their number, but
don't let that bother you as you worship bush and his Iraq debacle.
And then, of course, there is this:
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1
FEMA and the Guard don't need Presidential orders to execute their
disaster plans.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war.
Such a leader.
Gee, you mean he actually pays attention to more than one issue at a
time? Gosh, how terrible! A president who can deal with several
issues at once! Run him out of office!
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.h
tm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
That's awful nice of Bush. But first he stopped in San Diego to
pimp his war.
You never heard of telephones?
And he's going to wait until Wednesday to "chair a meeting"
while people are dying.
Hey, shame on all those Democrats, too. They could have all lined up
on the coast and put their hot air to use to *BLOW* Katrina back out
to sea.
Ah, poor delusional Fred. Thinks that the hurricane is the fault of
democrats.
Poor delusional G-Ride, thinks the hurricane is the fault of
Republicans.
Prove it Fred. Please show where I blamed the hurricane on *anyone*, let
alone republicans.
What is fully provable, however, is your quote above where you blame
democrats for not stopping the hurricane.
Poor delusional Fred, has to make up lies to try and cover for his
delusional ranting.
Not much leadership described in your little
article. But then again, bush worshippers like yourself have set
the bar pretty low in that department.
Yeah, we expect him to actually take care of business instead of
posturing for the cameras.
And let's not forget that he played golf while the storm hit. And
has cut funding in the last few years to N.O. that may have helped
prevent some of the flooding to help pay for his little war in
Iraq.
N.O. can't pay for it's own flood control?
Not for federal projects designed to help prevent flooding from just
this kind of disaster. Do try to keep up, Fred. If you did, you
wouldn't look so foolish.
Prove that the funding cuts affected flood control projects.
Sure thing:
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
"In the same way that Hurricane Andrew was a wakeup call to Florida, this
storm will be a wakeup call to Louisiana and Mississippi," said Robert
Hartwig, chief economist for the Insurance Information Institute. "It's
going to be very evident that there were an enormous number of
vulnerabilities that weren't addressed. There's going to be a lot of
finger-pointing."
Louisiana's elected officials were quick to seize on the disaster to press
for long-requested federal financial assistance in shoring up Louisiana's
coastline. The coastal wetlands erode at a rate of 24 square miles a year
and expose south Louisiana to increasing danger.
Until recently, efforts to squeeze coastal protection money out of
Washington have met with resistance. The Louisiana congressional delegation
urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to
Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. Ultimately a deal
was struck to steer $540 million to the state over four years. The total
coast of repair work is estimated to be $14 billion.
In its budget, the Bush administration had also proposed a significant
reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection
project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say
they need."
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/30/212451/290
"Levee-raising is only part of the flood-related work that has stopped since
the federal government began reducing Corps of Engineers appropriations in
2001, as more money was diverted to homeland security, the fight against
terrorism and the war in Iraq."
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
"New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a
direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been
working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on
major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive
rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast
Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.
Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying
out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping
stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in
crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin
increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to
subside.
Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a
trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures
of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time
as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles
in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq
as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.
Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The
Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it
coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious
questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."
In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush
proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for
Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans
CityBusiness.
On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson
Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has
been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war
in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that
the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the
case that this is a security issue for us."
Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project
manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee
Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that
Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:
"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is
sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we
can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have
isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so
that we can't raise them."
The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up
another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had
sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property
taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not
paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of
Lake Pontchartrain.
......
One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a
bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach
on Monday.
The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The
Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to
dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed
by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a
significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane
protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local
officials say they need."
Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington
heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection,
including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage
might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be"
And this is the "leader" you worship. Tell me, do you tithe the
minimum 10% to the church of bush, or do you give more?
No, but I see you give your all to the Mosque of Moore-ons.
Like a good little disciple, Fred continues to worship his boy-king.
Too bad Bush cut funding that may have made a difference for N.O.
Perhaps some of those unfinished leavees would have been completed.
Prove it.
No problem:
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/30/212451/290
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
Too bad troops and equipment that would come in real handy right now
are sitting in Iraq.
Prove it.
Gladly:
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.htm
Too bad you care more about a party and a president than you do about
your own country. But keep on worshipping bush, Fred. It's what you
do best.
At least you concede the obvious - that you're a bush worshipper that cares
more about a party and a president that your own country..
But since you've at least conceded that you're a bush worshipper that cares
about a party and a president more than his own country, I will concede the
following nugget of praise from one of the articles I linked to above:
"Jindal and other elected officials credited the Federal Emergency
Management Agency (FEMA) for positioning stockpiles of food, water and
medical supplies throughout Louisiana and Mississippi more than a day before
Katrina made landfall. The quick response was triggered by an unusually
early emergency declaration from President Bush."
So Bush did actually get something done. Of course, this was in between
staged medicare rallies, pimping illegal wars, tarmac birthday cakes, guitar
playing, sleeping at his ranch, and now today worrying more about oil before
people. But here's a little clap for Bush apparently getting something
right in the lead up to the hurricane.
/golf clap
However, I should mention that Bush is responsible for many of the problems
of FEMA:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445_pf.html
He's a real great guy, this boy-king you worship. Keep licking his boots
Fred. Dear Leader wants to see his reflection.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd
think he'd actually do something to assist the residents of
New Orleans and the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of
yourself.
The only fool here is you who always shows up right on cue to
defend and worship your Dear Leader.
And you seem to have left out this part:
Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of
the National Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home
where they could do the job that they likely signed up for -
disaster relief.
The Guard signs up for whatever mission they're sent to do.
How convenient that response is for you bush worshipping
sycophants.
Yes, the truth is convenient for those who believe it.
Too bad you choose to ignore it.
"Traditionally, members of the Guard and Reservists trained one
weekend a month and spent two weeks in the summer training at a
military base. They might be called away for storm duty, as Charlie
Company often was as hurricanes and tropical storms touched southern
Louisiana. But seldom were they called away for months at a time.
That new reality is putting tremendous strain on the Guard and
Reserves, which make up half of all military personnel. Both are
struggling to maintain their strength."
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.ht
m
I'm sure the LA national guard are extremely happy to be in Iraq
right now, rather than back home where they could be helping their
families, neighbors and communities by saving lives and helping
cleaning up.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-katrina-
national-guard,1,6488472.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
"In Louisiana, which took the brunt of Katrina, some 3,000 members of
the 256th Combat Brigade are in Iraq, while 3,500 members of the
Guard were deployed to help hurricane victims and another 3,000 were
on standby.
In neighboring Mississippi, the Guard had 853 troops on hurricane
duty -- a small slice of the more than 7,000 Guard troops in the
state's ground and air components. Some 3,000 National Guard troops
from Mississippi are in Iraq, another 300 in Afghanistan."
I'm sure that those that are on the ground could use twice their
number, but don't let that bother you as you worship bush and his Iraq
debacle.
They just got done saying how they have enough men to meet the need.
And then, of course, there is this:
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-
ne
ws-1
FEMA and the Guard don't need Presidential orders to execute their
disaster plans.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war.
Such a leader.
Gee, you mean he actually pays attention to more than one issue at
a time? Gosh, how terrible! A president who can deal with several
issues at once! Run him out of office!
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.h
tm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
That's awful nice of Bush. But first he stopped in San Diego to
pimp his war.
You never heard of telephones?
And he's going to wait until Wednesday to "chair a meeting"
while people are dying.
Hey, shame on all those Democrats, too. They could have all lined
up on the coast and put their hot air to use to *BLOW* Katrina
back out to sea.
Ah, poor delusional Fred. Thinks that the hurricane is the fault
of democrats.
Poor delusional G-Ride, thinks the hurricane is the fault of
Republicans.
Prove it Fred. Please show where I blamed the hurricane on *anyone*,
let alone republicans.
What is fully provable, however, is your quote above where you blame
democrats for not stopping the hurricane.
Yeah, right, I blame them for not blowing Katrina back out to sea with
their hot air.
Poor delusional Fred, has to make up lies to try and cover for his
delusional ranting.
Poor silly G-Ride, still dribbling and drooling all over his keyboard.
Not much leadership described in your little
article. But then again, bush worshippers like yourself have set
the bar pretty low in that department.
Yeah, we expect him to actually take care of business instead of
posturing for the cameras.
And let's not forget that he played golf while the storm hit.
And has cut funding in the last few years to N.O. that may have
helped prevent some of the flooding to help pay for his little
war in Iraq.
N.O. can't pay for it's own flood control?
Not for federal projects designed to help prevent flooding from
just this kind of disaster. Do try to keep up, Fred. If you did,
you wouldn't look so foolish.
Prove that the funding cuts affected flood control projects.
Sure thing:
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
You seem to be confused. I asked for *proof*, not a bunch of leftwing
whiners.
<snip the whining>
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The usual cause of evil in the world is that at any given time
half the people in the world are awake. "
- Dean Rusk
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01 Sep 2005 03:11:06 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nkg2bF1vneeU1@individual.net:
I know he needs to "get on with his life" and all, but you'd
think he'd actually do something to assist the residents of
New Orleans and the gulf coast.
Maybe if you paid attention you wouldn't make such a fool of
yourself.
The only fool here is you who always shows up right on cue to
defend and worship your Dear Leader.
And you seem to have left out this part:
Perhaps mobilize whatever armed forces & equipment he has at his
disposal to help with the recovery efforts. Too bad so much of
the National Guard is stuck in Iraq, instead of being back home
where they could do the job that they likely signed up for -
disaster relief.
The Guard signs up for whatever mission they're sent to do.
How convenient that response is for you bush worshipping
sycophants.
Yes, the truth is convenient for those who believe it.
Too bad you choose to ignore it.
"Traditionally, members of the Guard and Reservists trained one
weekend a month and spent two weeks in the summer training at a
military base. They might be called away for storm duty, as Charlie
Company often was as hurricanes and tropical storms touched southern
Louisiana. But seldom were they called away for months at a time.
That new reality is putting tremendous strain on the Guard and
Reserves, which make up half of all military personnel. Both are
struggling to maintain their strength."
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.ht
m
I'm sure the LA national guard are extremely happy to be in Iraq
right now, rather than back home where they could be helping their
families, neighbors and communities by saving lives and helping
cleaning up.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-katrina-
national-guard,1,6488472.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines
"In Louisiana, which took the brunt of Katrina, some 3,000 members of
the 256th Combat Brigade are in Iraq, while 3,500 members of the
Guard were deployed to help hurricane victims and another 3,000 were
on standby.
In neighboring Mississippi, the Guard had 853 troops on hurricane
duty -- a small slice of the more than 7,000 Guard troops in the
state's ground and air components. Some 3,000 National Guard troops
from Mississippi are in Iraq, another 300 in Afghanistan."
I'm sure that those that are on the ground could use twice their
number, but don't let that bother you as you worship bush and his Iraq
debacle.
They just got done saying how they have enough men to meet the need.
And then, of course, there is this:
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-
ne
ws-1
FEMA and the Guard don't need Presidential orders to execute their
disaster plans.
Instead he is too busy vacationing and trying to sell his war.
Such a leader.
Gee, you mean he actually pays attention to more than one issue at
a time? Gosh, how terrible! A president who can deal with several
issues at once! Run him out of office!
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12517265.h
tm
Bush cancels vacation to focus on relief
That's awful nice of Bush. But first he stopped in San Diego to
pimp his war.
You never heard of telephones?
And he's going to wait until Wednesday to "chair a meeting"
while people are dying.
Hey, shame on all those Democrats, too. They could have all lined
up on the coast and put their hot air to use to *BLOW* Katrina
back out to sea.
Ah, poor delusional Fred. Thinks that the hurricane is the fault
of democrats.
Poor delusional G-Ride, thinks the hurricane is the fault of
Republicans.
Prove it Fred. Please show where I blamed the hurricane on *anyone*,
let alone republicans.
What is fully provable, however, is your quote above where you blame
democrats for not stopping the hurricane.
Yeah, right, I blame them for not blowing Katrina back out to sea with
their hot air.
You said it, not me. And you just said it again. Seems pretty delusional
to me to blame a natural disaster on a political party. But it's only par
for the course for you, Fred.
And I see you can't prove your claim that I blamed the hurricane on
republicans. Why do you lie so much Fred?
Poor delusional Fred, has to make up lies to try and cover for his
delusional ranting.
Poor silly G-Ride, still dribbling and drooling all over his keyboard.
Not the case, Fred. Since you can't prove your claims, you're obviously
lying. And your claim that democrats are to blame for the hurricane is
obviously delusional.
Why do you lie so much, Fred?
Not much leadership described in your little
article. But then again, bush worshippers like yourself have set
the bar pretty low in that department.
Yeah, we expect him to actually take care of business instead of
posturing for the cameras.
And let's not forget that he played golf while the storm hit.
And has cut funding in the last few years to N.O. that may have
helped prevent some of the flooding to help pay for his little
war in Iraq.
N.O. can't pay for it's own flood control?
Not for federal projects designed to help prevent flooding from
just this kind of disaster. Do try to keep up, Fred. If you did,
you wouldn't look so foolish.
Prove that the funding cuts affected flood control projects.
Sure thing:
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
You seem to be confused. I asked for *proof*, not a bunch of leftwing
whiners.
<snip the whining>
LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you shouldn't have asked
for it.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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01 Sep 2005 11:39:12 AM |
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nn9rdF2448mU1@individual.net:
LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you shouldn't have
asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The usual cause of evil in the world is that at any given time
half the people in the world are awake. "
- Dean Rusk
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01 Sep 2005 05:26:54 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nn9rdF2448mU1@individual.net:
LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you shouldn't have
asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Lol. Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that I posted,
rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing whining" and running
away from it.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.htm
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/30/212451/290
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445_pf.html
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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01 Sep 2005 06:37:10 PM |
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3norvvF2j7dvU1@individual.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nn9rdF2448mU1@individual.net:
LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you shouldn't
have asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Lol. Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that I
posted, rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing whining"
and running away from it.
Done, and done. See link above.
Get back to me when you have something more than left-wing whining.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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01 Sep 2005 07:10:37 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3norvvF2j7dvU1@individual.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nn9rdF2448mU1@individual.net:
LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you shouldn't
have asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Lol. Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that I
posted, rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing whining"
and running away from it.
Done, and done. See link above.
Get back to me when you have something more than left-wing whining.
You haven't refuted a thing Fred. You just run away from the uncomfortable
truth:
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.htm
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/30/212451/290
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445_pf.html
If you can't actually refute something, just admit it Fred. But that would
take actually being an adult, rather than a childish right-wing parrot such
as yourself.
Get back to me when you stop worshipping bush and can actually look and
anything truthfully.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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01 Sep 2005 07:55:14 PM |
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3np22eF2khk0U1@individual.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3nn9rdF2448mU1@individual.net:
LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you shouldn't
have asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Lol. Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that I
posted, rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing
whining" and running away from it.
Done, and done. See link above.
Get back to me when you have something more than left-wing whining.
<snip the whining again>
If you can't actually rebut my citations when they refute yours, just
admit it, G-Ride. But that would require you to quit throwing ***** and
sucking your fingers.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
I think if we had a three-word message right now it’d be, ‘We can do
better.’
- Howard Dean
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01 Sep 2005 09:34:47 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you shouldn't
have asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Lol. Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that I
posted, rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing
whining" and running away from it.
Done, and done. See link above.
Get back to me when you have something more than left-wing whining.
<snip the whining again>
If you can't actually rebut my citations when they refute yours, just
admit it, G-Ride. But that would require you to quit throwing ***** and
sucking your fingers.
<yawn>
Your "citation" mearly looks for excuses as to why Bush's budget cuts really
don't matter. Despite, you know, Bush's own FEMA saying in 2001 that the
flooding of New Orleans was one of the top three disasters waiting to
happen: http://www.hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/houston.htm
And so nice of you to complain about left wing whining (when the sources I
gave are legitimate news articles) and then turning around and posting a
right-wing blog whining about "liberals" without skipping a beat. So very
cute.
Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that I posted,
rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing whining" and running
away from it.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.htm
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/30/212451/290
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445_pf.html
You're a pathetic joke Fred. Your idiocy used to at least be good for a few
laughs now and then. Now you're just fucking pathetic.
But go on. Keep denying reality and ignoring inconvenient facts. Keep
defending your Lord and Master bush for everything he does. Keep tonguing
his ***** when you need to take a break from licking his boots. You do it
so well.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you
shouldn't have asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Lol. Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that
I posted, rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing
whining" and running away from it.
Done, and done. See link above.
Get back to me when you have something more than left-wing
whining.
<snip the whining again>
If you can't actually rebut my citations when they refute yours, just
admit it, G-Ride. But that would require you to quit throwing *****
and sucking your fingers.
<yawn>
<snip the whining *again*>
Is that all you've got to rebut the article that refutes all your
whining? More whining?
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"G-Ride" <gride42nospammotherfucker@yahoo.com> wrote in
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LOL.
Whatever, Fred. If you can't handle seeing proof, you
shouldn't have asked for it.
G-Ride drinks another dose of Kool-Aid.
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Lol. Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that
I posted, rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing
whining" and running away from it.
Done, and done. See link above.
Get back to me when you have something more than left-wing
whining.
<snip the whining again>
If you can't actually rebut my citations when they refute yours, just
admit it, G-Ride. But that would require you to quit throwing *****
and sucking your fingers.
<yawn>
<snip the whining *again*>
Is that all you've got to rebut the article that refutes all your
whining? More whining?
<yawn>
Your "citation" mearly looks for excuses as to why Bush's budget cuts really
don't matter. Despite, you know, Bush's own FEMA saying in 2001 that the
flooding of New Orleans was one of the top three disasters waiting to
happen: http://www.hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/houston.htm
And so nice of you to complain about left wing whining (when the sources I
gave are legitimate news articles) and then turning around and posting a
right-wing blog whining about "liberals" without skipping a beat. So very
cute.
Get back to me when you can actually refute anything that I posted,
rather than cowardly proclaiming it to be "left-wing whining" and running
away from it.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/mld/sanluisobispo/news/nation/12275037.htm
http://abc26.trb.com/news/natguard08012005,0,4504131.story?coll=wgno-news-1
http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/alpert083105.html
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/8/30/212451/290
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445_pf.html
You're a pathetic joke Fred. Your idiocy used to at least be good for a few
laughs now and then. Now you're just fucking pathetic.
But go on. Keep denying reality and ignoring inconvenient facts. Keep
defending your Lord and Master bush for everything he does. Keep tonguing
his ***** when you need to take a break from licking his boots. You do it
so well.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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TV's G-Ride wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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You're a pathetic joke Fred. Your idiocy used to at least be good for a
few laughs now and then. Now you're just fucking pathetic.
But go on. Keep denying reality and ignoring inconvenient facts. Keep
defending your Lord and Master bush for everything he does. Keep
tonguing his ***** when you need to take a break from licking his
boots. You do it so well.
He'd have to pull his head partially out to be able to lick the hole.
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TV's G-Ride wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:1125604514.dd69d9f6be48741034c9e6a769b5a1a6@teranews...
You're a pathetic joke Fred. Your idiocy used to at least be good for a
few laughs now and then. Now you're just fucking pathetic.
But go on. Keep denying reality and ignoring inconvenient facts. Keep
defending your Lord and Master bush for everything he does. Keep
tonguing his ***** when you need to take a break from licking his
boots. You do it so well.
He'd have to pull his head partially out to be able to lick the hole.
lol
--
Aloha,
G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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TV's G-Ride wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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You're a pathetic joke Fred. Your idiocy used to at least be good for a
few laughs now and then. Now you're just fucking pathetic.
But go on. Keep denying reality and ignoring inconvenient facts. Keep
defending your Lord and Master bush for everything he does. Keep
tonguing his ***** when you need to take a break from licking his
boots. You do it so well.
He'd have to pull his head partially out to be able to lick the hole.
I like the quote by Jim Carrey in "Liar Liar," which is appropos to many
Righties:
"You've got your head so far up his *****, I can't tell where he ends and
you begin!"
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http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/8/31/04148/2070
Politicizing Tragedy
or The American Left and Human Filth: Distinguish If Possible
By: Thomas · Section: Miscellania
“We haven't even buried the dead yet, and they're trying to pin the
untold lives and livelihoods lost on an opponent for political gain.”
In what would, once, have been a surprise, the ever-decent Left is
attempting to use another human tragedy as a club in their unending holy
war against Chimpy McBushitlerCo. (One supposes that they need a new
weapon with their cheap use of a now-gone grieving mother at an end.) As
the Left long ago abandoned the pretense of original thought, they’re
apparently relying on this piece to do so, to the effect that recent
budget cuts for the levee projects are to blame for this disaster.
As one of the two Louisiana sons among the Editorial staff here, my two
cents:
This is not unlike peeing on a grave. And, worse, it's stupid and
factually incorrect to boot.
Read on.
Print This Story
Aug 31st, 2005: 12:33:55
Let's count all of the ways that this is simply wrong. But first, some
useful background information for those carping from the sidelines.
I address this next especially to the highly sensitive Left, most of
whom have never been to Louisiana, and think of it as That state where
Mississippi Burning happened, or maybe it was In the Heat of the Night?
If you're from that state, you simply know the levees are a sinking
project. For most people, the words "Army Corps of Engineers" are not
part of everyday conversation. If you live there, or trace your family
there within a generation, it's stamped on you at birth. You know that
they're fighting a losing battle, or if you don't, you're deluding
yourself. If you've ever seen any of the relevant bodies of water up
close, you have an instinctive understanding that the ACE is fighting a
rearguard action.
One might also benefit from knowing things like the fact that the levees
are fifteen feet high. When the storm surge is, oh, say, 22 feet, just
to refresh your basic math, the water will be carried past the levees.
Ponder that for a moment.
Or consider that the pumping stations are maintained by the City of New
Orleans, with assistance from the ACE.
Most of these geniuses are also blissfully insulated from what a
hurricane is, and have no idea what storm surge is, or exactly how much
water and wind is poured onto an area before, during, and in the wake of
a Category 4 Hurricane.
Let me share. I live in Florida. Part -- most -- of my job this last
year has revolved around the wreckage of the four hurricanes that
slammed into my State last year. You don't actually appreciate the power
of these things unless you see things like the Escambia Bay Bridge (you
know, part of I-10) simply missing in places, or the wreckage that has
been Punta Gorda for the last year. Buildings blown up. Parts of streets
missing. Trees smashed all the way through houses. Much of Florida is
still a set of blue tarp roofs, when seen from the sky.
And those were in areas above sea level.
With the facts nicely out of the way, the Left has decided to use the
bodies floating in the streets as a perverse sort of political
ammunition, so let's put this little meme into the ground now. With a
stake in its heart.
The Left would have us believe that the Bush Administration purposefully
underfunded the levees, and that this underfunding directly caused (or
at minimum, contributed to) the catastrophe in New Orleans. This is
wholly false.
The idea that the White House and Congress should have magically
foreseen a Cat4-5 coming down almost head-on onto New Orleans, and
should have therefore increased funding for the levees, and that doing
so would somehow have stopped this tragedy, is absurd. It wouldn't last
five minutes in even the most Plaintiff-friendly jurisdictions in the
Union.
Even accepting this idiocy on its own terms, and we'll get to the core
of this shortly, from the E&P article that these ghasts are relying on,
we learn that they spent $450,000,000 on the levees over ten years, "[b]
ut at least $250,000,000 in crucial projects remained." At the rate
they'd been going (about $45,000,000 per year) that's almost six years'
worth of "crucial" projects yet to be done. The money was reduced
starting in FY 2004, so in fact no more than 1.5 years of the remaining
six years' worth of projects was incomplete due to funding cuts. All the
rest wouldn't have been done yet anyway. But somehow, finishing 25% of
the "crucial" projects remaining would have saved the city. Of course,
we don't know what those "crucial" projects are, but hey, this is still
all about Iraq, so who cares?
Now, if we're going to lay blame at the hands of the Federal government
-- and why not? They're Republicans -- let's not forget that there were
other governments, shall we say, nearer to the scene.
If we're going to get into the politics of this (and they haven't even
found all of the bodies yet, so why not?), let's not skew any of the
blame from the highly efficient, corruption free government of
Louisiana. Their preparation for a disaster they've feared for decades
should have them lined up in the street and shot, if we're gonna go this
route. That's one hell of a lot of dead Democrats. In New Orleans, they
don't bury their dead in the ground; instead, the dead are placed in
mausoleums. Why? Well, it can't be religion, as that old Catholic town
would have no reason not to place the dead in the Earth. It's actually
because they fear more or less precisely what happened here: Massive
flooding washing coffins -- wooden air bubbles, essentially -- into the
streets.
As the Weather Channel adroitly puts it:
Florence added, "So, what you can only imagine happening is that
they're burying on the levee, you've got flood levels coming over the
banks of the river. You've got floating caskets that are pushed up above
the ground. And you can only imagine. These levees sloped down into the
city. If there was enough water, you could have caskets floating through
the streets of the city."
After experiencing this enough times, residents decided to do
something about it, according to Florence. The solution was to begin
burying loved ones in tombs above ground. ...
Today, the city owns seven cemeteries that house such tombs, but
there are many others in which caskets have been buried underground.
Engineering now allows underground burial in the sub-sea level city,
and floating caskets are a thing of the past. "That no longer really
never happens in New Orleans because the land has been drained since the
turn of the century. A system of water pumps... drains water out from
under the city 24 hours a day."
And don't get me started on the hurricane evacuation routes. The city of
New Orleans lies below sea level; if they want to live there, why
couldn't they just raise the $45,000,000 a year locally to maintain
their own dikes? They could have covered that with a hotel bed tax and a
property tax hike of less than $50 a year. The city's budget is already
a half-billion per year. Which $45 million out of that was more
important than the levees?
But of course, we shouldn't take them on their own terms, because their
terms are simply wrong. From Popular Science in May 2005:
Today, parts of New Orleans lie up to 20 feet below sea level, and
the city is sinking at a rate of about nine millimeters a year. "This
makes New Orleans the most vulnerable major city to hurricanes," says
John Hall of the Army Corps of Engineers. "That's because the water has
to go down, not up, to reach it."
The Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale defines a category-5 storm as one
with "winds greater than 155 miles per hour and storm surge generally
greater than 18 feet." Although hurricanes of this magnitude slamming
directly into New Orleans are extremely rare—occurring perhaps every 500
to 1,000 years—should one come ashore, the resulting storm surge would
swell Lake Pontchartrain (a brackish sea adjoining the Gulf of Mexico),
overtop the levees, and submerge the city under up to 40 feet of water.
Once this happened, the levees would "serve as a bathtub," explains
Harley Winer, chief of coastal engineering for the Army Corps's New
Orleans District. The water would get trapped between the Mississippi
levees and the hurricane-protection levees. "This is a highly improbable
event," Winer points out, "but within the realm of possibility."
New Orleans has nearly completed its Hurricane Protection Project, a
$740-million plan led by Naomi to ring the city with levees that could
shield residents from up to category-3 storm surges. Meanwhile, Winer
and others at the Army Corps are considering a new levee system capable
of holding back a surge from a category-5 hurricane like Ivan, which
threatened the city last year.
To determine exactly where and how high to build these levees, the
engineers have enlisted the aid of a 3-D computer-simulation program
called ADCIRC (Advanced Circulation Model). ADCIRC incorporates dozens
of data points—including seabed and coastal topography, wind speed,
tidal variation, ocean depth and water temperature—and charts a precise
map of where the storm surge would inundate New Orleans. The category-5
levee idea, though, is still in the early planning stages; it may be
decades before the new barriers are completed. Until then, locals had
better keep praying to Helios.
And that is from May 2005 -- when they were looking at bringing the
levees past their ability to withstand a Category Three hurricane.
Of course, if the gibbering yard apes would read their own links instead
of trying to throw human corpses at their opponents, they'd note that
the budget cut is for a study to examine a future levee to upgrade from
Cat3 protection to Cat5 protection.
Katrina was a Cat4-5.
Of course, in the ever-maddening need to lay human bodies at George
Bush’s feet, the ghouls can’t be bothered with the facts:
Engineers developed several possible scenarios for what might have
caused the catastrophic breach in a levee, which is essentially an
earthen berm topped by several feet of concrete.
Corps of Engineers officials said their analysis indicated that a
limited amount of water washed over the top of the levee in waves,
scouring and weakening the foundation on the levee's dry side.
Suhayda said that's possible. But another possibility is that,
during the half-day floodwaters built up in Lake Pontchartrain and the
canal, water may have percolated through the earthen part of the berm,
undermining it.
That effect, combined with the cumulative pressure over time, may
have caused a breakthrough.
"There's no question that those kind of conditions might have just
reached the limit of what that particular levee could handle," said
James "Bob" Bailey, a flood and wind hazard risk expert with ABS
consulting in Houston.
It's also possible the levee was older and had degraded as all
earthen and concrete structures do, he said.
A final possibility is that an unknown, massive chunk of debris
struck the levee at some point during the night, causing a breach.
Today's breach came after New Orleans had, almost miraculously,
survived a hurricane many engineers feared would send water gushing over
the long, 15-foot levee that protects the city's north shore from Lake
Pontchartrain."
In other words, even if the Federal government had sent trillions of
dollars, it wouldn't have made a difference. A 15-foot wall doesn't
contain a 22-foot surge. Once the water is over the levee in any
quantity, it starts scouring the levee from the face of the earth.
And then of course there’s this, from that arm of the VRWC, the Times-
Picayune:
A large section of the vital 17th Street Canal levee, where it
connects to the brand new "hurricane proof" Old Hammond Highway bridge,
gave way late Monday morning in Bucktown after Katrina's fiercest winds
were well north. The breach sent a churning sea of water from Lake
Pontchartrain coursing across Lakeview and into Mid-City, Carrollton,
Gentilly, City Park and neighborhoods farther south and east.
Or this, from NeoUltraFascistConCentral, the New York Times:
The levees, which provide a tenuous barrier between the city and the
waters that surround most of it, have long had many weak spots and were
not designed to withstand the full force of a storm like Hurricane
Katrina.
Both major breaches took place along canals built in decades past as
conduits for commerce, Army Corps officials said.
The other failure occurred along the Industrial Canal, an 80-year-
old channel that had been identified as a weak spot in computer
simulations of storm surges from hypothetical hurricanes.
Mr. Hall said that as the surge from the storm swept in through Lake
Pontchartrain - actually a broad inlet off the gulf - it began sloshing
over the vertical steel and concrete wall and the earthen berm behind
it.
"Once it got over, it began to scour down at the base of that flood
wall on the protected side," he said.
The rising waters in the canal pushed in on the high part of the
retaining wall while water cascading over the top ate away at the base,
Mr. Hall said, adding: "The effect is like a high-low tackle in
football. You hit the head and feet at the same time from opposite
directions, and it goes down."
In other words:
In the rational world -- which the "reality-based" community
increasingly does not inhabit -- governance is an exercise in
prioritization. Was it rational and defensible to shift funding from any
source toward defense- and war-related activities in the aftermath of
9/11? Of course. Did that shift leave the levees unready to handle
Katrina's deadly burden? No. The levees were inherently unready: even at
maximum proposed funding, their design was only for a Cat3 storm, not
the Cat4/5 that Katrina was. It is true that in 2004, proposals were
floated to upgrade to a Cat4/5-capable levee system; it is also true
that even in an ideal situation, the studies -- not the construction! --
necessary to assess what that would entail would not be finished before
2008.
This madness is all of a piece with the "Bush was on vacation when this
happened" idiocy. Yes, we could have used his heat vision to seal some
of the levees at weak points, and his superhuman strength might have
been enough to save some collapsing concrete. But what we really needed
was for him to get the rest of the Justice League out there, especially
Green Lantern. Or at least to reverse the Earth's rotation and save us
from this disaster.
This is obscene. It's actually worse than obscene, because not all of
those bodies floating down there right now are from the mausoleums. How
distorted is our political discourse -- excuse me, their political
discourse -- that they start pointing fingers before the bodies are in
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