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User: "Jason"
Date: 22 Nov 2005 02:07:28 AM
Object: Has Evolution become the State Religion?
Has Evolution become a State Religion? (#203)
by John Morris, Ph.D.
Source: www.icr.org
Abstract
Nowhere did they insist on "the separation of church and state" in the
sense that religious concepts had no place in government, indeed quotes
abound affirming their personal and national dependence on God.
The Church of England had been established as the official state church of
that country for a long time, but in the nineteenth century an effort was
launched to "dis-establish" it, and remove its favored status. Yet some
wanted to retain the designation, and launched the anti-disestablish
movement. Their movement became known as antidisestablish-mentarianism, a
beloved word of all school children who brag they can spell the longest
word in the English language. There are longer words, but we can learn a
lesson from this historical episode.
America's founding fathers rejected all ideas of a national church, even
though numerous voices clamored for one and several of the individual
states had already selected one or the other. The very first amendment to
the constitution codified this commitment, that "Congress shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof. . . ." Nowhere did they insist on "the separation of
church and state" in the sense that religious concepts had no place in
government, indeed quotes abound affirming their personal and national
dependence on God. They insisted on freedom of religion, not the favoring
of one denomination over the other. The modern day removal of all vestiges
of Christianity from the public arena would greatly displease the
founders. Many were devout Christians, of varying denominations, but of
deep personal convictions. They wanted to keep the state out of religion,
not eliminate a Christian influence on affairs of the state.
How then can we understand the government mandated rush to embrace the
concept of evolutionary naturalism? The idea that life originated, indeed
the entire universe originated through strictly natural processes (as
opposed to supernatural processes) is a religious concept, incapable of
observation or proof, yet held by faith. In evolutionary naturalism, life
not only finds its origin, but also its meaning and destiny in nature. As
many have noted, it is essentially equivalent with atheism.
Our government schools teach evolution with fervor at taxpayer expense,
ignoring alternatives. Textbook writers often repeat information known to
be false, in the name of good evolution teaching. Teacher unions
aggressively combat other views while defending teachers who abuse
students of different faiths than evolution. Our courts declare other
origins views off-limits, branding them religion. Scientists have even
redefined the goal of science. No longer is it "the search for truth," it
has become the search for naturalistic explanations. Self-serving civil
libertarians promise a bitter lawsuit against any who would return to the
views of the founders. How could we have come so far? Where is the road
back?
The state-supported church of atheistic evolutionism has been almost fully
established in this once Christian country. I, for one, support the
"disestablishment" of this false, unscientific, and harmful church. I do
not favor establishing any Christian creed as the State Church, but it
should be allowed to function without government "prohibiting the free
exercise thereof." I pray that it would flourish and that America's
leaders would once again welcome its wholesome influence in society.
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 02:51:46 PM
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Has Evolution become a State Religion?

Nope. Next question?
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User: "Jason"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 05:17:13 PM
In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?

Can life evolve from non-life?
If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 09:19:40 PM
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?

I don't know - Can it?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?

I don't know - Has there been?
What's your f'ing point, Jason? We're all well aware that you think
godiddit. And you also know that we don't. What's your purpose for being in
alt.atheism with this constant blather about "Evolution is the State
Religion". Anyone with half a brain knows that evolution isn't a religion,
so what's the point of posting this? Just looking for an argument? We all
know how your mind's already made up. Why waste anyone's time? Seriously.
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User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 06:17:36 PM
(Jason) suddenly spluttered:


Can life evolve from non-life?

Yes. We're here, so it did.

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?

We're here, so it did. The question should be: "have the basic
building blocks of life ever been synthesised in a laboratory?" The
answer to which is yes. Evolution takes a very, very long time because
it is the result of many millions of iterations of the process of
replication.
Tell us, troll, has there ever been an experiment that has proved that
it is possible for a universe to be created by a supreme being? Please
answer it without resorting to any logical fallacies.
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User: "Llanzlan Klazmon"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 10:23:19 PM
(Jason) wrote in news:jason-2211050917140001@pm4-broad-
43.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <

> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?

Evolve would be the wrong word if you are meaning biological evolution.
Biological evolution only applies to things that are already alive. The
formation of the first things that would be regarded as being alive is more
in the province of organic chemistry. However life absolutely arose from
non living components. That is a logical necessity as life did not always
exist. The only question is the process by which it came about.


If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?

You don't need to prove it. It is a fact. The only way around it would be
it life always existed. The big question involves discovering how it
happenned. The issue has only been looked into in a most cursory manner
thus far. It is good to see that Harvard have started up a research program
to seriously investigate it. Even if they never work out the how, much
valuable knowledge of organic chemistry will be learned.
Klazmon.

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User: "Jason"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 01:57:11 AM
In article <Xns971773DA8DF50Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:

jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:jason-2211050917140001@pm4-broad-
43.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?


Evolve would be the wrong word if you are meaning biological evolution.
Biological evolution only applies to things that are already alive. The
formation of the first things that would be regarded as being alive is more
in the province of organic chemistry. However life absolutely arose from
non living components. That is a logical necessity as life did not always
exist. The only question is the process by which it came about.


If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


You don't need to prove it. It is a fact. The only way around it would be
it life always existed. The big question involves discovering how it
happenned. The issue has only been looked into in a most cursory manner
thus far. It is good to see that Harvard have started up a research program
to seriously investigate it. Even if they never work out the how, much
valuable knowledge of organic chemistry will be learned.

Klazmon.

Klazmon,
Thanks for your post. Thanks also for telling me about the new research
program at Harvard.
Have a happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas.
Jason
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User: "Llanzlan Klazmon"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 02:29:47 AM
(Jason) wrote in
news:jason-2211051757110001@pm1-broad-78.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

In article <Xns971773DA8DF50Klazmonllurdiaxorbgo@203.97.37.6>, Llanzlan
Klazmon <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:

(Jason) wrote in
news:jason-2211050917140001@pm4-broad- 43.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <

> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?


Evolve would be the wrong word if you are meaning biological evolution.
Biological evolution only applies to things that are already alive. The
formation of the first things that would be regarded as being alive is
more in the province of organic chemistry. However life absolutely
arose from non living components. That is a logical necessity as life
did not always exist. The only question is the process by which it came
about.


If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


You don't need to prove it. It is a fact. The only way around it would
be it life always existed. The big question involves discovering how it
happenned. The issue has only been looked into in a most cursory manner
thus far. It is good to see that Harvard have started up a research
program to seriously investigate it. Even if they never work out the
how, much valuable knowledge of organic chemistry will be learned.

Klazmon.


Klazmon,
Thanks for your post. Thanks also for telling me about the new research
program at Harvard.
Have a happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas.
Jason

Thanksgiving doesn't exist in this part of the world but I'll take the
sentiment.
Klazmon.
.



User: "satyr"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 24 Nov 2005 06:48:24 AM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:13 -0800,
(Jason) wrote:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <

> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?

Try this one:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/217054.stm
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User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 07:54:00 PM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:13 -0800,
(Jason) wrote:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <

> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?

Yes.


If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?

Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?
.
User: "Jason"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 08:34:54 PM
In article <5pt6o158ipo4d7eg1blvpiovakjbh0s8t8@4ax.com>, John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:13 -0800,

(Jason) wrote:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <

> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?


Yes.


If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?

You failed to answer the last question. The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO
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User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 11:37:36 PM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0800,
(Jason) wrote:

In article <5pt6o158ipo4d7eg1blvpiovakjbh0s8t8@4ax.com>, John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:13 -0800,

(Jason) wrote:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <

> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?


Yes.


If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?


You failed to answer the last question.

I didn't fail to answer it. I wanted to know where you stood first.
For the record, the answer is there have been no experiments that
conclusively prove it, but there have been experiments that establish
a plausible mechanism.

The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO

And yet you accept the existence of a creator god as fact despite the
total lack of objective evidence. Tell me, Jason, why do you hold
religious belief to a lower standard of proof than you do science?
I'm not going to argue with you about evolution vs. creation.
Evolution is supported by an overwhelming amount of real, testable
*objective* evidence. There is no *real* evidence at all for creation.
Evolution wins. There's nothing to debate. What I want to know is why
creationists reject the facts concerning evolution, yet accept the
completely unsupported Biblical creation myth without question.
.

User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 09:05:38 PM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0800, in alt.atheism
(Jason) wrote in
<jason-2211051234540001@pm4-broad-33.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

In article <5pt6o158ipo4d7eg1blvpiovakjbh0s8t8@4ax.com>, John Baker
<nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:13 -0800,

(Jason) wrote:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <

> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?


Yes.


If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?


You failed to answer the last question. The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO

Does that prove to you that no gods exist?
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 11:25:58 PM
What's so funny about peace, love and
(Jason) posting
the following on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0800 iin alt.atheism?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?


You failed to answer the last question. The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO

You're lying again.
There have been many experiments, dating back to the early 1950s, that
show when exposed to the conditions of the early Earth, amino acids
develop spontaniously and combine into simple proteins.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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User: "Jason"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 01:55:18 AM
In article <r5a7o1htsjaitcfi7sj6q2k2fi777p1l68@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and

(Jason) posting
the following on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0800 iin alt.atheism?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?


You failed to answer the last question. The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO


You're lying again.

There have been many experiments, dating back to the early 1950s, that
show when exposed to the conditions of the early Earth, amino acids
develop spontaniously and combine into simple proteins.

Hello,
I read about one of those experiments. Evolutionists determined that the
experiment was a failure since no living cells were formed. I learned that
they are still trying to come up with an experiment that results in life
evolving from non-life.
Jason
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User: "Robibnikoff"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 02:16:06 AM
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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snip

Hello,
I read about one of those experiments. Evolutionists determined that the
experiment was a failure since no living cells were formed. I learned that
they are still trying to come up with an experiment that results in life
evolving from non-life.

Um, so what? I really fail to see what your point is, if you actually have
one.
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 07:46:06 AM
In article <jason-2211051755190001@pm1-broad-78.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
(Jason) wrote:

In article <r5a7o1htsjaitcfi7sj6q2k2fi777p1l68@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and

(Jason) posting
the following on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0800 iin alt.atheism?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?


You failed to answer the last question. The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO


You're lying again.

There have been many experiments, dating back to the early 1950s, that
show when exposed to the conditions of the early Earth, amino acids
develop spontaniously and combine into simple proteins.


Hello,
I read about one of those experiments. Evolutionists determined that the
experiment was a failure since no living cells were formed. I learned that
they are still trying to come up with an experiment that results in life
evolving from non-life.
Jason

For the 100th time (at least), origin of life (abiogenesis) and
evolution are two separate problems.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 03:50:18 AM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:55:18 -0800,
(Jason) wrote:

In article <r5a7o1htsjaitcfi7sj6q2k2fi777p1l68@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and

(Jason) posting
the following on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0800 iin alt.atheism?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?


You failed to answer the last question. The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO


You're lying again.

There have been many experiments, dating back to the early 1950s, that
show when exposed to the conditions of the early Earth, amino acids
develop spontaniously and combine into simple proteins.


Hello,
I read about one of those experiments.

Oh, I'm sure you read about them. I'm also sure you didn't undestand a
fucking word you read.
.

User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 02:32:52 AM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:55:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
(Jason) wrote in
<jason-2211051755190001@pm1-broad-78.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

In article <r5a7o1htsjaitcfi7sj6q2k2fi777p1l68@4ax.com>, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:

What's so funny about peace, love and

(Jason) posting
the following on Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:34:54 -0800 iin alt.atheism?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?


Has there ever been an experiment that proves the existence of your
invisible friend?


You failed to answer the last question. The answer to the question
that you asked me is: NO


You're lying again.

There have been many experiments, dating back to the early 1950s, that
show when exposed to the conditions of the early Earth, amino acids
develop spontaniously and combine into simple proteins.


Hello,
I read about one of those experiments. Evolutionists determined that the

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The word that is proper to use here is 'scientist'. You keep choosing to
use wrong words, make inflammatory statements and generally ignore all
corrections that point out that you have made another error.

experiment was a failure since no living cells were formed.

Getting living cells is far more complex than life. By the way, are
viruses and prions alive?

I learned that
they are still trying to come up with an experiment that results in life
evolving from non-life.

I sure you think you did.
.





User: "Ken"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 09:44:32 PM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:13 -0800, Jason wrote:

Can life evolve from non-life?

The evidence is implicit. There is life. There once was not (or so we
imagine). Therefore life came from non-life.
This thesis is much simpler than the alternative you provide. Yours
requires us to believe that the dead are not, in fact, dead. When we prod
them with a stick they don't move. When we leave them alone they rot
instead of eating.
Why do you suppose the universe was structured to fool you in this way?

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?

The lack of a perfect explanation does not invalid the entire field of
science. It simply means that some questions have not yet been answered.
The scientific explanation, that has yet to be tested, is still simpler
than the one you offer.
--
Ken
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User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 09:05:21 PM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:17:13 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2211050917140001@pm4-broad-43.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

In article <3ugpiaF11b7urU1@individual.net>, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net...

Has Evolution become a State Religion?


Nope. Next question?


Can life evolve from non-life?

Yes, life can form from non-living material.

If so, has there ever been an experiment that proves that
life can evolve from non-life?

No experiment yet has taken a pre-biotic stew and watched it turn into
biots, if that is what you mean. Of course anyone willing to bet that
this will never be accomplished does it through sheer ignorance. No one
familiar with biochemistry would say that that such an experiment would
never be successful.
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User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 02:02:23 PM
(Jason) suddenly spluttered:

The idea that life originated, indeed
the entire universe originated through strictly natural processes (as
opposed to supernatural processes) is a religious concept, incapable of
observation or proof, yet held by faith.

Google Malebolge. If there is an afterlife, that's where your spending
it.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
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AA #2208
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User: "Llanzlan Klazmon"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 23 Nov 2005 02:18:19 AM
(Jason) wrote in news:jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-
88.snlo.dialup.fix.net:

Has Evolution become a State Religion? (#203)
by John Morris, Ph.D.
Source: www.icr.org

So you are saying Bush, Cheney and Rice say three hail Darwin's evry morning?
Klazmon.
<SNIP trash from a documented liar>
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 03:20:56 AM
In <jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

Has Evolution become a State Religion

Evolution is not a religion so it can't.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 02:10:52 AM
Jason wrote:

Has Evolution become a State Religion? (#203)

Science is not a religion _per definitionem._

by John Morris, Ph.D.

A known liar.

Source: www.icr.org

Well-known source of cretinist/IDiot lies.
Are we supposed to be impressed now? If yes: Why?
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
.
User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 04:26:54 AM
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 03:10:52 +0100, in alt.atheism
"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in
<dltunc$mf4$3@online.de>:

Jason wrote:

Has Evolution become a State Religion? (#203)


Science is not a religion _per definitionem._

by John Morris, Ph.D.


A known liar.

Source: www.icr.org


Well-known source of cretinist/IDiot lies.

Are we supposed to be impressed now? If yes: Why?

I would be very surprised if Jason was not one of the financial victims
of Morris's con game.
.


User: "satyr"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 04:03:40 PM
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:07:28 -0800,
(Jason) wrote:

." Nowhere did they insist on "the separation of
church and state" in the sense that religious concepts had no place in
government, indeed quotes abound affirming their personal and national
dependence on God.

I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American
people which declared that their legislature should "make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church &
State.
Thomas Jefferson
Jan. 1, 1802
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
.

User: "John Baker"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 03:30:11 AM
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:07:28 -0800,
(Jason) wrote:

Has Evolution become a State Religion? (#203)

No. Has stupidity become yours?
.

User: "David Jensen"

Title: Re: Has Evolution become the State Religion? 22 Nov 2005 04:25:55 AM
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:07:28 -0800, in alt.atheism
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<jason-2111051807280001@pm1-broad-88.snlo.dialup.fix.net>:

Has Evolution become a State Religion? (#203)
by John Morris, Ph.D.
Source: www.icr.org

Morris is wrong. His legal skills do not exist. How is it that we have a
one-time scientist trying to tell us what the law is, while Phil
Johnson, a once respected law professor, is trying to tell us how
science works.

Abstract
Nowhere did they insist on "the separation of church and state" in the
sense that religious concepts had no place in government, indeed quotes
abound affirming their personal and national dependence on God.

The Church of England had been established as the official state church of
that country for a long time, but in the nineteenth century an effort was
launched to "dis-establish" it, and remove its favored status. Yet some
wanted to retain the designation, and launched the anti-disestablish
movement. Their movement became known as antidisestablish-mentarianism, a
beloved word of all school children who brag they can spell the longest
word in the English language. There are longer words, but we can learn a
lesson from this historical episode.

America's founding fathers rejected all ideas of a national church, even
though numerous voices clamored for one and several of the individual
states had already selected one or the other. The very first amendment to
the constitution codified this commitment, that "Congress shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof. . . ." Nowhere did they insist on "the separation of
church and state" in the sense that religious concepts had no place in
government, indeed quotes abound affirming their personal and national
dependence on God. They insisted on freedom of religion, not the favoring
of one denomination over the other. The modern day removal of all vestiges
of Christianity from the public arena would greatly displease the
founders. Many were devout Christians, of varying denominations, but of
deep personal convictions. They wanted to keep the state out of religion,
not eliminate a Christian influence on affairs of the state.

How then can we understand the government mandated rush to embrace the
concept of evolutionary naturalism? The idea that life originated, indeed
the entire universe originated through strictly natural processes (as
opposed to supernatural processes) is a religious concept, incapable of
observation or proof, yet held by faith. In evolutionary naturalism, life
not only finds its origin, but also its meaning and destiny in nature. As
many have noted, it is essentially equivalent with atheism.

Our government schools teach evolution with fervor at taxpayer expense,
ignoring alternatives. Textbook writers often repeat information known to
be false, in the name of good evolution teaching. Teacher unions
aggressively combat other views while defending teachers who abuse
students of different faiths than evolution. Our courts declare other
origins views off-limits, branding them religion. Scientists have even
redefined the goal of science. No longer is it "the search for truth," it
has become the search for naturalistic explanations. Self-serving civil
libertarians promise a bitter lawsuit against any who would return to the
views of the founders. How could we have come so far? Where is the road
back?

The state-supported church of atheistic evolutionism has been almost fully
established in this once Christian country. I, for one, support the
"disestablishment" of this false, unscientific, and harmful church. I do
not favor establishing any Christian creed as the State Church, but it
should be allowed to function without government "prohibiting the free
exercise thereof." I pray that it would flourish and that America's
leaders would once again welcome its wholesome influence in society.

Morris lies about science. He is ignorant about history. He is a fool
when it comes to the law. That doesn't matter, because he can still get
suckers to keep the ICR in business, telling their religious lies, and
that is all that matters, isn't it.
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