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"Budikka666" |
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29 Mar 2007 04:30:49 PM |
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Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
Has the true God ever killed innocent people? He used to do it all
the time, either directly or by incitement or by standing by whilst it
happened:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
250 Levites who didn't like Moses
14,700 Hebrews by plague
24,000 Israelites who worshipped Baal (so much for free will)
12,000 men women and children of Ai
10,000 Moabites
10,000 Perizites and Canaanites
600 Philistines
3,000 more Philistines in a collapsed roof incident
120,000 Midianites
25,100 Benjamites (supposedly part of the chosen ones)
50,000 Bethshemeshites
22,000 Syrians
40,000 additional Syrians on horseback
70,000 by pestilence
100,000 more Syrians
185,000 Assyrians
500,000 men of Israel
10,000 Edomites
120,000 Judeans
75,000 Persians
All of Sodom and Gomorrah, all of the planet in a flood, mass
slaughter of children on two occasions.
And he still lets innocent people die every day.
Budikka
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| User: "Adam" |
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29 Mar 2007 05:27:19 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Has the true God ever killed innocent people? He used to do it all
the time, either directly or by incitement or by standing by whilst it
happened:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
250 Levites who didn't like Moses
14,700 Hebrews by plague
24,000 Israelites who worshipped Baal (so much for free will)
12,000 men women and children of Ai
10,000 Moabites
10,000 Perizites and Canaanites
600 Philistines
3,000 more Philistines in a collapsed roof incident
120,000 Midianites
25,100 Benjamites (supposedly part of the chosen ones)
50,000 Bethshemeshites
22,000 Syrians
40,000 additional Syrians on horseback
70,000 by pestilence
100,000 more Syrians
185,000 Assyrians
500,000 men of Israel
10,000 Edomites
120,000 Judeans
75,000 Persians
All of Sodom and Gomorrah, all of the planet in a flood, mass
slaughter of children on two occasions.
And he still lets innocent people die every day.
Budikka
God has arranged things so that everybody dies to destroy this sinful human
nature (the devil personified).
Nobody is innocent.
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
But at the final resurrection He will sort out the wheat from the chaff.
Adam
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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30 Mar 2007 08:23:08 AM |
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote
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God has arranged things so that everybody dies to destroy this sinful
human nature (the devil personified).
Out of curiousity, why did your god give us this "sinful human nature" in
the first place?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Adam" |
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30 Mar 2007 06:42:37 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote
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God has arranged things so that everybody dies to destroy this sinful
human nature (the devil personified).
Out of curiousity, why did your god give us this "sinful human nature" in
the first place?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
I think He threw us in at the deep end to see who could overcome our innate
selfishness and do good to our fellows. To those who overcome He will give
eternal life.
Adam
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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31 Mar 2007 05:56:45 AM |
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote
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God has arranged things so that everybody dies to destroy this sinful
human nature (the devil personified).
Out of curiousity, why did your god give us this "sinful human nature" in
the first place?
I think He threw us in at the deep end to see who could overcome our
innate selfishness and do good to our fellows. To those who overcome He
will give eternal life.
Adam
But, isn't your god omniscient? Doesn't he already know who's going to do
what?
If that's the case, then why bother with a test? And why set up so many to
fail?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Adam" |
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31 Mar 2007 06:46:20 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote
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God has arranged things so that everybody dies to destroy this sinful
human nature (the devil personified).
Out of curiousity, why did your god give us this "sinful human nature"
in the first place?
I think He threw us in at the deep end to see who could overcome our
innate selfishness and do good to our fellows. To those who overcome He
will give eternal life.
Adam
But, isn't your god omniscient? Doesn't he already know who's going to do
what?
If that's the case, then why bother with a test? And why set up so many
to fail?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Free will is involved here. We can choose to repent or not.
Adam
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Apr 2007 01:24:25 PM |
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote in message
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote
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God has arranged things so that everybody dies to destroy this sinful
human nature (the devil personified).
Out of curiousity, why did your god give us this "sinful human nature"
in the first place?
I think He threw us in at the deep end to see who could overcome our
innate selfishness and do good to our fellows. To those who overcome He
will give eternal life.
Adam
But, isn't your god omniscient? Doesn't he already know who's going to do
what?
If that's the case, then why bother with a test? And why set up so many
to fail?
Free will is involved here. We can choose to repent or not.
Adam
Why should I repent for being the way your god obviously wanted me to be?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Martin" |
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31 Mar 2007 07:45:23 PM |
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Adam wrote:
Free will is involved here. We can choose to repent or not.
God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Adam
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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01 Apr 2007 10:09:49 AM |
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:45:23 +0100, Martin <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk>
wrote:
Adam wrote:
Free will is involved here. We can choose to repent or not.
God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Well, sometimes free will _is_ called off because of rain or something
.. . .
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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01 Apr 2007 10:08:43 AM |
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:46:20 +1000, "Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote:
<snip>
But, isn't your god omniscient? Doesn't he already know who's going to do
what?
If that's the case, then why bother with a test? And why set up so many
to fail?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Free will is involved here. We can choose to repent or not.
Adam
It would be a helluva lot more useful to humanity if this "free will"
crap kicked in _before_ the evil deed is done (lessee, I can choose
whether to hit this person or not . . . .). The ax murderer feeling
really, really, really sorry for his little slip after he has made it
may be a great masturbatory fantasy for the god and his godly, but it
does not help the victims very much.
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Bill M" |
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29 Mar 2007 06:32:20 PM |
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"Adam" <adam@eden.com> wrote in message
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Has the true God ever killed innocent people? He used to do it all
the time, either directly or by incitement or by standing by whilst it
happened:
God has arranged things so that everybody dies to destroy this sinful
human nature (the devil personified).
Nobody is innocent.
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
But at the final resurrection He will sort out the wheat from the chaff.
Adam
Why does he allow over 2,000,000 totally innocent children to die of
starvation every year???
Your god is a pretty mean fella!
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29 Mar 2007 04:49:32 PM |
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On 29 Mar 2007 14:30:49 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Has the true God ever killed innocent people? He used to do it all
the time, either directly or by incitement or by standing by whilst it
happened:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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29 Mar 2007 09:34:55 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 29 Mar 2007 14:30:49 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Has the true God ever killed innocent people? He used to do it all
the time, either directly or by incitement or by standing by whilst it
happened:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
So I take it you're a proponent of the "Evil Babies" theory that suggests
that the babies and toddlers of these destroyed cultures were all evil, and
deserved death and eternal torture.
That's impressive.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Mar 2007 02:27:55 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:34:55 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Has the true God ever killed innocent people? He used to do it all
the time, either directly or by incitement or by standing by whilst it
happened:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
So I take it you're a proponent of the "Evil Babies" theory that suggests
that the babies and toddlers of these destroyed cultures were all evil, and
deserved death and eternal torture.
Bud thinks that those that worship a calf made of molten gold in the face of God
are innocents. Gosh, what a joke she is.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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30 Mar 2007 04:33:26 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:34:55 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Has the true God ever killed innocent people? He used to do it all
the time, either directly or by incitement or by standing by whilst it
happened:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
So I take it you're a proponent of the "Evil Babies" theory that suggests
that the babies and toddlers of these destroyed cultures were all evil,
and
deserved death and eternal torture.
Bud thinks that those that worship a calf made of molten gold in the face
of God
are innocents.
What if they're 6 months old?
Gosh, what a joke she is.
It's no more funny than those that worship a god in the face of a golden
calf. They're both stupid.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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31 Mar 2007 07:06:52 AM |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:26 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
So I take it you're a proponent of the "Evil Babies" theory that suggests
that the babies and toddlers of these destroyed cultures were all evil,
and
deserved death and eternal torture.
Bud thinks that those that worship a calf made of molten gold in the face
of God are innocents.
What if they're 6 months old?
They're not adults.
Gosh, what a joke she is.
It's no more funny than those that worship a god in the face of a golden
calf. They're both stupid.
Now who would be stupid enough to worship a golden metal calf.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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31 Mar 2007 01:51:54 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:26 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
So I take it you're a proponent of the "Evil Babies" theory that
suggests
that the babies and toddlers of these destroyed cultures were all evil,
and
deserved death and eternal torture.
Bud thinks that those that worship a calf made of molten gold in the
face
of God are innocents.
What if they're 6 months old?
They're not adults.
You didn't say adults.
Regardless, what if they're 6 months old? Are they innocent or deserving of
eternal torture?
Gosh, what a joke she is.
It's no more funny than those that worship a god in the face of a golden
calf. They're both stupid.
Now who would be stupid enough to worship a golden metal calf.
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being
tortured on a cross.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Brian" |
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31 Mar 2007 02:30:30 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:KKOdnR-3SJJfMJPbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@io.com...
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:ljjs0313g6aduce2ilvg4812o19tq8d5ag@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:26 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being tortured on a cross.
Denis Loubet
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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31 Mar 2007 05:34:03 PM |
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"Brian" <brianj@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:26 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being
tortured on a cross.
Denis Loubet
Are you an atheist?
Yes. Alt.atheism is one of the newsgroups this mess is being crossposted to.
Is your question germaine to the thread?
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Brian J" |
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01 Apr 2007 12:43:44 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:u86dneTOyuJRfJPbnZ2dnUVZ_s2vnZ2d@io.com...
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:ljjs0313g6aduce2ilvg4812o19tq8d5ag@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:26 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being tortured on a cross.
Denis Loubet
Are you an atheist?
Yes. Alt.atheism is one of the newsgroups this mess is being crossposted to.
Is your question germaine to the thread?
With so much cross posting, you are never sure.
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dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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01 Apr 2007 07:27:29 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:30:30 -0500, "Brian" <brianj@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:KKOdnR-3SJJfMJPbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@io.com...
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:ljjs0313g6aduce2ilvg4812o19tq8d5ag@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:26 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being tortured on a cross.
Denis Loubet
Are you an atheist?
I don't think the depends snifferboy has any idea what he is. I sure can't
figure him out.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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31 Mar 2007 03:45:57 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:30:30 -0500, "Brian" <brianj@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message news:KKOdnR-3SJJfMJPbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@io.com...
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:ljjs0313g6aduce2ilvg4812o19tq8d5ag@4ax.com...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:33:26 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
3,000 Israelites for worshipping the golden calf
Haa, haa, haahaahaahaahaahaa.
Bud the dud calls them "innocent".
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being tortured on a cross.
Denis Loubet
Are you an atheist?
That's a stupid question. Atheist's don't worship Jesus idols.
The opposite of an atheist is a person that believes in a god.
Your next question would have narrowed it down to demon-ation.
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01 Apr 2007 07:26:11 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:51:54 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Bud thinks that those that worship a calf made of molten gold in the
face
of God are innocents.
What if they're 6 months old?
They're not adults.
You didn't say adults.
Did the 6-month olds worship the golden calf?
Regardless, what if they're 6 months old? Are they innocent or deserving of
eternal torture?
Wht eternal torture? Who relegated them to eternal torture?
Gosh, what a joke she is.
It's no more funny than those that worship a god in the face of a golden
calf. They're both stupid.
Now who would be stupid enough to worship a golden metal calf.
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being
tortured on a cross.
He died for me.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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01 Apr 2007 01:21:03 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:51:54 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Bud thinks that those that worship a calf made of molten gold in the
face
of God are innocents.
What if they're 6 months old?
They're not adults.
You didn't say adults.
Did the 6-month olds worship the golden calf?
If Christians with a 6 month old child can say they're a Christian family,
then yes.
And if the children didn't worship the golden calf, why were the children
slaughtered?
Regardless, what if they're 6 months old? Are they innocent or deserving
of
eternal torture?
Wht eternal torture? Who relegated them to eternal torture?
Are you suggesting that the slaughtered people went straight to heaven?
Gosh, what a joke she is.
It's no more funny than those that worship a god in the face of a golden
calf. They're both stupid.
Now who would be stupid enough to worship a golden metal calf.
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being
tortured on a cross.
He died for me.
You don't know that.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
01 Apr 2007 04:24:30 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:21:03 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Did the 6-month olds worship the golden calf?
If Christians with a 6 month old child can say they're a Christian family,
then yes.
Nope, 6 month old children are too young to understand what they are doing, and
it's rightness or wrongness.
And if the children didn't worship the golden calf, why were the children
slaughtered?
Who said they were?
Regardless, what if they're 6 months old? Are they innocent or deserving
of
eternal torture?
Wht eternal torture? Who relegated them to eternal torture?
Are you suggesting that the slaughtered people went straight to heaven?
I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about.
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being
tortured on a cross.
He died for me.
You don't know that.
Yep, he said so.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
01 Apr 2007 05:45:18 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ud8013dq4qctvdsc6p0f3bq2fbc9d40mtu@4ax.com...
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:21:03 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Did the 6-month olds worship the golden calf?
If Christians with a 6 month old child can say they're a Christian family,
then yes.
Nope, 6 month old children are too young to understand what they are
doing, and
it's rightness or wrongness.
So Christian families are not Christian families if they have a 6 month old.
And if the children didn't worship the golden calf, why were the children
slaughtered?
Who said they were?
The bible. You know, the parts where the heads of the little ones get dashed
against the rocks?
Regardless, what if they're 6 months old? Are they innocent or deserving
of
eternal torture?
Wht eternal torture? Who relegated them to eternal torture?
Are you suggesting that the slaughtered people went straight to heaven?
I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about.
Big talk from a guy who can't explain what he's talking about.
The same kind of people stupid enough to worship a statue of a guy being
tortured on a cross.
He died for me.
You don't know that.
Yep, he said so.
He said you don't know what you're talking about?
Maybe there is something to this Jesus character after all.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
02 Apr 2007 04:57:44 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:45:18 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Did the 6-month olds worship the golden calf?
If Christians with a 6 month old child can say they're a Christian family,
then yes.
Nope, 6 month old children are too young to understand what they are
doing, and it's rightness or wrongness.
So Christian families are not Christian families if they have a 6 month old.
Can you read, loubert? Try again to see what I said.
And if the children didn't worship the golden calf, why were the children
slaughtered?
Who said they were?
The bible. You know, the parts where the heads of the little ones get dashed
against the rocks?
Where?
I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about.
Big talk from a guy who can't explain what he's talking about.
You're the one committing spiritual suicide, not me.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
02 Apr 2007 07:30:05 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:nvu2139as58jp4h94ppk1nis51f0s8bl9p@4ax.com...
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:45:18 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Did the 6-month olds worship the golden calf?
If Christians with a 6 month old child can say they're a Christian
family,
then yes.
Nope, 6 month old children are too young to understand what they are
doing, and it's rightness or wrongness.
So Christian families are not Christian families if they have a 6 month
old.
Can you read, loubert? Try again to see what I said.
Yes, I understand perfectly. You are saying a 6 month old cannot be a
Christian.
Oddly enough, I agree.
So if there's a family where a child is not a Christian, in what way can it
be a Christian family?
And if the children didn't worship the golden calf, why were the
children
slaughtered?
Who said they were?
The bible. You know, the parts where the heads of the little ones get
dashed
against the rocks?
Where?
You've never read your bible? Well! That explains why you're still a
Christian!
That, and your abject stupidity.
I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about.
Big talk from a guy who can't explain what he's talking about.
You're the one committing spiritual suicide, not me.
Are you suggesting the spirit dies? I thought they were supposed to last
forever.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
03 Apr 2007 05:53:53 PM |
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:30:05 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Nope, 6 month old children are too young to understand what they are
doing, and it's rightness or wrongness.
So Christian families are not Christian families if they have a 6 month
old.
Can you read, loubert? Try again to see what I said.
Yes, I understand perfectly. You are saying a 6 month old cannot be a
Christian.
Uh, nooooo, depends snifferboy. Infants generally become Christians within a
few weeks of birth.
our abject stupidity.
You're the one committing spiritual suicide, not me.
Are you suggesting the spirit dies? I thought they were supposed to last
forever.
Where did you read that?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
03 Apr 2007 08:00:03 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:mim513909bl0lmqc42bbkamohg5ocdenls@4ax.com...
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:30:05 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Nope, 6 month old children are too young to understand what they are
doing, and it's rightness or wrongness.
So Christian families are not Christian families if they have a 6 month
old.
Can you read, loubert? Try again to see what I said.
Yes, I understand perfectly. You are saying a 6 month old cannot be a
Christian.
Uh, nooooo, depends snifferboy. Infants generally become Christians
within a
few weeks of birth.
So the six month old is a Christian, yet is too young to understand what
it's doing. That means you don't have to know what you're doing to be a
Christian. And since being a Christian is something that can be imposed upon
you by others, obviously a choice is not required to be a Christian.
Gee, that means that someone could have done a magic spell and made me a
Christian without me ever knowing about it.
So you can shut up about my supposed spiritual suicide. I'm might be just as
much a Christian as you are.
our abject stupidity.
This doesn't really need a comment. It speaks with uncharacteristic candor.
You're the one committing spiritual suicide, not me.
Are you suggesting the spirit dies? I thought they were supposed to last
forever.
Where did you read that?
Well, obviously spiritual suicide would require the death of the spirit,
wouldn't it? Otherwise it wouldn't be anything like a suicide. Or did you
mean to say I would be committing "spiritual uncomfortableness"?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Has the true God ever killed innocent people - Yes! |
05 Apr 2007 03:46:23 PM |
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:00:03 -0500, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Yes, I understand perfectly. You are saying a 6 month old cannot be a
Christian.
Uh, nooooo, depends snifferboy. Infants generally become Christians
within a few weeks of birth.
So the six month old is a Christian, yet is too young to understand what
it's doing. That means you don't have to know what you're doing to be a
Christian.
Wow, the light comes on. It's exactly the point. Christ said go forth and
baptize all nations. He didn't say just those that have achieved the age of 16.
Christ said to teach them "all that I taught you". The Christian grows in faith
and knowledge, and likewise can eventually reject his heritage.
Gee, that means that someone could have done a magic spell and made me a
Christian without me ever knowing about it.
If you were baptized, you are a Christian, just like you are a citizen of your
country whether you like it or not.
So you can shut up about my supposed spiritual suicide. I'm might be just as
much a Christian as you are.
The problem then becomes one of what do you do with it. You can always reject
your country of birth, and lose the benefits thereof.
our abject stupidity.
This doesn't really need a comment. It speaks with uncharacteristic candor.
A mouthful.
You're the one committing spiritual suicide, not me.
Are you suggesting the spirit dies? I thought they were supposed to last
forever.
Where did you read that?
Well, obviously spiritual suicide would require the death of the spirit,
wouldn't it?
As far as God is concerned, yes.
Otherwise it wouldn't be anything like a suicide. Or did you
mean to say I would be committing "spiritual uncomfortableness"?
It all depends if you would enjoy eternal torment in hell.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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