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03 Dec 2004 08:59:18 PM |
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Hate Monger Falwell Gets Head Handed to Him |
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6645717
We are back with Reverend Bernice Powell Jackson of the United Church
of Christ and the Reverend Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty
University.
Reverend Falwell, thanks for joining us.
JERRY FALWELL, CHANCELLOR, LIBERTY UNIVERSITY: Sure.
MATTHEWS: What do you think of this ad, this UCC ad, That showed these
bouncers keeping people who were apparently a gay couple and some
people who were African-American from coming in the church? Should the
networks have run that?
(CROSSTALK)
FALWELL: I think networks should have run it. I have no problem with
the ad.
The United Church of Christ had a dual purpose. One was a positive
one. Everybody is welcome. Every church should say that. Two,
apparently, they are trying to say there are churches out there that
everybody can't get in.
MATTHEWS: Right.
FALWELL: And I think they even have a subtler message. They're
saying that the African-American, the Hispanic, the handicapped and
then the gay couple or all four bona fide minorities. I would
disagree.
The two ethnic persons are as God made them, as I am Caucasian.
MATTHEWS: Right.
FALWELL: The handicap person, behind his power, his handicap.
MATTHEWS: Right.
FALWELL: And the gay couple. They chose to marry each other.
MATTHEWS: How did they get to be gay, though?
FALWELL: Well, we probably differ there.
MATTHEWS: I'm asking.
FALWELL: But I think all behavior is chosen.
MATTHEWS: I'm open. I don't know.
FALWELL: I think that...
MATTHEWS: Did you choose to be heterosexual?
FALWELL: I did.
MATTHEWS: You chose it? You thought about it and you came up with
that solution? That lifestyle?
(CROSSTALK)
FALWELL: Put it this way. I was taught as a child that's the right
way to...
MATTHEWS: But did you feel an attraction toward women?
FALWELL: Oh, of course.
MATTHEWS: When people are born and they find themselves having an
attraction to somebody from the same sex, do you think that's a
choice?
FALWELL: I think you can experiment with any kind of perversity and
develop an appetite for it, just like you can food.
MATTHEWS: You don't think it's nature? You think it's nurture.
FALWELL: I don't think any-I don't think anybody is born a bank
robber or born a hostile left-winger or a hostile right-winger or gay
or a promiscuous heterosexual.
I think there comes a time in childhood where environment may be a part
of it, whatever, teaching, instruction, one chooses, I will do this or
that. And that's why good, godly parenting...
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: How old were you when you chose to be heterosexual?
FALWELL: Oh, I don't remember that.
MATTHEWS: Well, you must, because you say it's a big decision.
FALWELL: Well, I started dating when I was about 13.
MATTHEWS: And you had to decide between boys and girls. And you chose
girls.
FALWELL: I never had to decide. I never thought about it.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: I think it's a ridiculous proposition that you actually
sit down and decide. Let me see, boy or girl this week. Anyway...
FALWELL: I don't think anybody does that.
MATTHEWS: But let me ask you about this ad again. Do you worry that
the networks are exercising a kind of reverse sort of liberal
censorship, saying we are afraid that the conservatives will be mad at
us?
FALWELL: I think it's a corny ad. I think it's a corny ad.
MATTHEWS: Right. Well, that's a good word for it.
FALWELL: Because, really, it's a left-wing slap at a lot of
churches.
And I don't know where those churches are.
MATTHEWS: Right.
FALWELL: I don't know where I can walk up and I can get in.
MATTHEWS: What do you think of John Danforth as a member of the
Supreme Court, if he gets nominated, should he be? He just stepped as
the U.N. ambassador.
(CROSSTALK)
FALWELL: Because he's pro-choice-he is a great man. He's had an
illustrious career. But because he is pro-choice, I would object to
it.
MATTHEWS: OK, thank you very much for joining us.
FALWELL: Thank you.
MATTHEWS: Thanks for fighting the traffic, Reverend Jerry Falwell.
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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04 Dec 2004 11:12:00 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 02:59:18 GMT, (George Washington
Hayduke) wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6645717
We are back with Reverend Bernice Powell Jackson of the United Church
of Christ and the Reverend Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty
University.
Reverend Falwell, thanks for joining us.
***** Nazi *****. Did you hear (or read the transcript) of the
Nixon tape where Falwell was urging Nixon to slaughter nearly one
million people---- mostly children and women?
Why didn't Falwell take this opportunity to castigate Bob Jones
University for banning black people from attending?
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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04 Dec 2004 11:25:53 AM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 02:59:18 GMT, (George Washington
Hayduke) wrote:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6645717
We are back with Reverend Bernice Powell Jackson of the United Church
of Christ and the Reverend Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty
University.
Reverend Falwell, thanks for joining us.
***** Nazi *****. Did you hear (or read the transcript) of the
Nixon tape where Falwell was urging Nixon to slaughter nearly one
million people---- mostly children and women?
No. Tell me.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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| Title: Re: Hate Monger Falwell Gets Head Handed to Him |
04 Dec 2004 01:03:55 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:25:53 -0500, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
***** Nazi *****. Did you hear (or read the transcript) of the
Nixon tape where Falwell was urging Nixon to slaughter nearly one
million people---- mostly children and women?
No. Tell me.
http://www.counterpunch.org/alexgraham.html
March 12, 2002
American Journal
When Billy Graham Planned To Kill One Million People
By Alexander Cockburn
There's a piquant contrast in the press coverage across the decades of
Billy Graham's various private dealings with Nixon, as displayed on
the tapes gradually released from the National Archive or disclosed
from Nixon's papers. I'll come shortly to the recent flap over Graham
and Nixon's closet palaverings about the Jews, but first let's visit
another interaction between the great evangelist and his commander in
chief Back in April, l989 a Graham memo to Nixon was made public. It
took the form of a secret letter from Graham, dated April 15, 1969,
drafted after Graham met in Bangkok with missionaries from Vietnam.
These men of God said that if the peace talks in Paris were to fail,
Nixon should step up the war and bomb the dikes. Such an act, Graham
wrote excitedly, "could overnight destroy the economy of North
Vietnam".
Graham lent his imprimatur to this recommendation. Thus the preacher
was advocating a policy to the US Commander in Chief that on Nixon's
own estimate would have killed a million people. The German high
commissioner in occupied Holland, Seyss-Inquart, was sentenced to
death at Nuremberg for breaching dikes in Holland in World War Two.
(His execution did not deter the USAF from destroying the Toksan dam
in North Korea, in 1953, thus deliberately wrecking the system that
irrigated 75 per cent of North Korea's rice farms.)
This disclosure of Graham as an aspirant war criminal did not excite
any commotion when it became public in 1989, twenty years after it was
written. I recall finding a small story in the Syracuse
Herald-Journal. No one thought to chide Graham or even question him on
the matter. Very different has been the reception of a new tape
revealing Graham, Nixon and Haldeman palavering about Jewish
domination of the media and Graham invoking the "stranglehold" Jews
have on the media.
On the account of James Warren in the Chicago Tribune, who has filed
excellent stories down the years in Nixon's tapes, media, in this 1972
Oval Office session between Nixon, Haldeman and Graham, the President
raises a topic about which "we can't talk about it publicly," namely
Jewish influence in Hollywood and the media.
Nixon cites Paul Keyes, a political conservative who is executive
producer of the NBC hit, "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In," as telling him
that "11 of the 12 writers are Jewish." "That right?" says Graham,
prompting Nixon to claim that Life magazine, Newsweek, The New York
Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others, are "totally dominated by
the Jews." Nixon says network TV anchors Howard K. Smith, David
Brinkley and Walter Cronkite "front men who may not be of that
persuasion," but that their writers are "95 percent Jewish."
"This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down
the drain," the nation's best-known preacher declares "You believe
that?" Nixon says. "Yes, sir," Graham says. "Oh, boy," replies Nixon.
"So do I. I can't ever say that but I believe it." "No, but if you get
elected a second time, then we might be able to do something," Graham
replies.
Magnanimously Nixon concedes that this does not mean "that all the
Jews are bad" but that most are left-wing radicals who want "peace at
any price except where support for Israel is concerned. The best Jews
are actually the Israeli Jews." "That's right," agrees Graham, who
later concurs with a Nixon assertion that a "powerful bloc" of Jews
confronts Nixon in the media. "And they're the ones putting out the
pornographic stuff," Graham adds.
Later Graham says that "a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine.
They swarm around me and are friendly to me. Because they know I am
friendly to Israel and so forth. They don't know how I really feel
about what they're doing to this country." After Graham's departure
Nixon says Haldeman, "You know it was good we got this point about the
Jews across." "It's a shocking point," Haldeman replies, "Well," says
Nixon, "it's also, the Jews are irreligious, atheistic, immoral bunch
of bastards."
Within days of these exchanges becoming public the 83-year old Graham
was hauled from his semi-dotage, and impelled to express public
contrition. "Experts" on Graham were duly cited as expressing their
"shock" at Graham's White House table talk.
Why the shock? Don't they know that this sort of stuff is consonant
with the standard conversational bill of fare at 75 per cent of the
country clubs in America, not to mention many a Baptist soiree. Nixon
thought American Jews were lefty peaceniks who dominated the
Democratic Party and were behind the attacks on him. Graham reckoned
it was Hollywood Jews who had sunk the nation in porn. Haldeman agreed
with both of them. At whatever level of fantasy they were all
acknowledging power. But they didn't say they wanted to kill a million
Jews. That's what Graham said about the Vietnamese and no one raised a
bleat.
It's supposedly the third rail in journalism even to have a discussion
of how much the Jews do control the media. Since three of the prime
founders of Hollywood, were Polish Jews who grew up within fifty miles
of each other in Galicia, it's reckoned as not so utterly beyond the
bounds of propriety to talk about Jewish power in Hollywood, though
people still stir uneasily. The economic and political commentator
Jude Wanniski remarked last week in his web newsletter that even if
the Jews don't control the media overall, it iscertainly true to say
that they control discussion of Israel in the media here.
Certainly, there are a number of stories sloshing around the news now
that have raised discussion of Israel and of the posture of American
Jews to an acrid level. The purveyor of anthrax may have been a former
government scientist, Jewish, with a record of baiting a colleague of
Arab origins, and with the intent to blame the anthrax on Muslim
terrorists. Rocketing around the web and spilling into the press are
many stories about Israeli spies in America at the time of 9/11. On
various accounts, they were trailing Atta and his associates, knew
what was going to happen but did nothing about it, or were simply
spying on US facilities. Some, posing as art students have been
expelled, according to AP. Finally, there's Sharon's bloody repression
of the Palestinians, and Israel's apparently powerful role in Bush's
foreign policy, urging him into action against at least two of the
axes of evil, Iraq and Iran.
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05 Dec 2004 07:59:55 AM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 12:25:53 -0500, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
***** Nazi *****. Did you hear (or read the transcript) of the
Nixon tape where Falwell was urging Nixon to slaughter nearly one
million people---- mostly children and women?
No. Tell me.
http://www.counterpunch.org/alexgraham.html
March 12, 2002
American Journal
When Billy Graham Planned To Kill One Million People
By Alexander Cockburn
There's a piquant contrast in the press coverage across the decades of
Billy Graham's various private dealings with Nixon, as displayed on
the tapes gradually released from the National Archive or disclosed
from Nixon's papers. I'll come shortly to the recent flap over Graham
and Nixon's closet palaverings about the Jews, but first let's visit
another interaction between the great evangelist and his commander in
chief Back in April, l989 a Graham memo to Nixon was made public. It
took the form of a secret letter from Graham, dated April 15, 1969,
drafted after Graham met in Bangkok with missionaries from Vietnam.
These men of God said that if the peace talks in Paris were to fail,
Nixon should step up the war and bomb the dikes. Such an act, Graham
wrote excitedly, "could overnight destroy the economy of North
Vietnam".
Thanks. By this time in the war, China, via "backdoor" contacts had sent
us stern warning that such an attack on North Vietnam would bring them into
the war on the side of th eNorth Vietnamese. Thus any invasion of the
North or full scale attack from theair to destroy Vietnam such as this
would have resulted in a land war in Asia with China.
Graham was a ***** here, but that does not surprise me.
Probably the only reason Nixon and Kissinger did not so attack
North Vietnam was the Chinese warning on probably land war
if they did.
Graham lent his imprimatur to this recommendation. Thus the preacher
was advocating a policy to the US Commander in Chief that on Nixon's
own estimate would have killed a million people. The German high
commissioner in occupied Holland, Seyss-Inquart, was sentenced to
death at Nuremberg for breaching dikes in Holland in World War Two.
(His execution did not deter the USAF from destroying the Toksan dam
in North Korea, in 1953, thus deliberately wrecking the system that
irrigated 75 per cent of North Korea's rice farms.)
But we are a chiristian nation and thus get to commit war crimes.
This disclosure of Graham as an aspirant war criminal did not excite
any commotion when it became public in 1989, twenty years after it was
written. I recall finding a small story in the Syracuse
Herald-Journal. No one thought to chide Graham or even question him on
the matter. Very different has been the reception of a new tape
revealing Graham, Nixon and Haldeman palavering about Jewish
domination of the media and Graham invoking the "stranglehold" Jews
have on the media.
Disgusting....
********
Thanks for this. Into the "Evil Doings" file with it.
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