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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"The Last Liberal" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:29:49 PM |
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Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
One major problem: the MAJORITY of pregnancies spontaneously
abort. Loss of a fetus is the default for human females.
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The abuse, if the law were to pass and be enforced, even surpases
all human rights abuses Scientology Inc. has committed.
The House Bill reminds me of Nicolae Ceausescu's laws regarding
the same thing: in Romania a girl or woman was required to be
pregnant--- "The fetus is the property of the entire society.
Anyone who avoids having children is a deserter who abandons the
laws of national continuity." If a girl or woman lost a pregnancy,
she faced prison and brutal abuse at the hands of the state.
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http://democracyforvirginia.typepad.com/democracy_for_virginia/2005/01/legislative_sen.html
Legislative Sentry: HB1677 - Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail
Imagine the following scenario.
You are at home alone at 8:00 on a Friday night. You are 8 weeks
pregnant. You are excited about the pregnancy, but being
cautious, you haven’t told anyone about it yet except your
partner, your best friend, your parents, and your doctor.
All of a sudden, you begin to experience heavy cramping. Bleeding
ensues. You realize with shock and sadness that you are probably
experiencing a miscarriage. You leave a message with your
doctor’s service. The on-call doctor calls back, offers
sympathies, and advises taking pain medication or going to the
hospital if the bleeding gets worse. She offers you the next
available appointment for a follow-up exam - Monday at 3PM. You
accept. You are overwhelmed with grief and surprised by the
intensity of physical pain involved. You call your partner and ask
him to come home from his “boys night out”, sparing him the reason
over the phone. You call your best friend. She offers to come
over immediately and make you cocoa. You cry.
You decide not to tell your parents yet; let them sleep through
the night before delivering the terrible news. Your partner comes
home and you break the sad news to him. He holds you on the couch
and you both cry together. Your best friend comes over with
cocoa. You cry some more. Over the next few hours, you suffer
pain, cramping, and intermittent bleeding. Exhausted, you finally
fall asleep in your partner’s arms around 4 AM. You sleep until
noon, and then gird yourself for the difficult call to your
parents, who were so eagerly anticipating their first grandchild.
Guess what? You just earned yourself up to 12 months in jail and
a $2,500 fine. Why? Because you failed to call the cops and
report your miscarriage within 12 hours.
True? Not yet. But if Delegate John Cosgrove (R-78) has his way,
HB1677 will become law in a few short months, and this scenario
will be reality for many women in Virginia.
Incredulous? Outraged? Read on below the jump for more
information on this odious bill.
HB1677, “Report of Fetal Death by mother, penalty”
It sounds preposterous to talk about criminalizing women who
suffer miscarriages, but one Virginia legislator is proposing just
that. HB1677, “Report of Fetal Death by mother, penalty” is a
bill introduced by John A. Cosgrove (R) of Chesapeake. Cosgrove’s
bill requires any woman who experiences “fetal death” without a
doctor’s assistance to report this to the local law-enforcement
agency within twelve hours of the miscarriage. Failure to do so
is punishable as a Class 1 Misdemeanor.
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http://lastliberal.org
The damn quote of yours has had more second comings
here than a hooker at a Baptist convention. - Marty
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
12 Jan 2005 08:51:43 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:jfKdnXTLSsw35HncRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34j8rqF4aucmpU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
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"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
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"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
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snip
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach
and Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is
quite a fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Why the heck are you asking me?!?!? :)
You don't keep an inventory? You know, in case somebody needs one for
Halloween?
I think you're thinking of Beltane :)
Belt who???
You know! That Maypole holiday. Great rite and all that. Wink, wink,
nudge nudge :)
You want I should dance around a pole?
Sure!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
12 Jan 2005 09:00:30 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:MOKdnacbQa_8pXjcRVn-iw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jkk1F4c832cU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:aOSdnYh6QZ0zD3ncRVn-3Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jd9rF4b05qgU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:jfKdnXTLSsw35HncRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34j8rqF4aucmpU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns95DBBA563C561askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
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snip
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach
and Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is
quite a fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Why the heck are you asking me?!?!? :)
You don't keep an inventory? You know, in case somebody needs one for
Halloween?
I think you're thinking of Beltane :)
Belt who???
You know! That Maypole holiday. Great rite and all that. Wink, wink,
nudge nudge :)
You want I should dance around a pole?
Sure!
Bwahahahaha! Oh DEAR! :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
12 Jan 2005 05:10:04 PM |
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In our last episode <34ksciF3r6rb2U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:MOKdnacbQa_8pXjcRVn-iw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jkk1F4c832cU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:aOSdnYh6QZ0zD3ncRVn-3Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jd9rF4b05qgU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:jfKdnXTLSsw35HncRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34j8rqF4aucmpU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns95DBBA563C561askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
news:ste6u09ub2cde7clbh9v89rsgiq9p1agu2@4ax.com...
snip
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia
Beach and Falwell is located somewhere else within the state.
It is quite a fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Why the heck are you asking me?!?!? :)
You don't keep an inventory? You know, in case somebody needs one
for Halloween?
I think you're thinking of Beltane :)
Belt who???
You know! That Maypole holiday. Great rite and all that. Wink, wink,
nudge nudge :)
You want I should dance around a pole?
Sure!
Bwahahahaha! Oh DEAR! :)
Heh, after all this time of knowing me, you can't claim innocence.
And, by the way, I should warn you. In this big, um, push to finally,
ahem, penetrate the fiction market, I'm going to spend this year doing
works that have sales in mind much more than artistic merit. The artiste
in me is going to have to wait for 2006.
So 2005 is the Year of the Dirty Book. You can imagine the mindset I'll be
in for the rest of this year. <eg>
(The second novel is already underway. 12,500 words so far. And, damn, I
have a really *dirty mind!)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
12 Jan 2005 06:13:01 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In our last episode <34j8rqF4aucmpU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
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snip
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia
Beach and Falwell is located somewhere else within the state.
It is quite a fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Why the heck are you asking me?!?!? :)
You don't keep an inventory? You know, in case somebody needs one
for Halloween?
I think you're thinking of Beltane :)
Belt who???
You know! That Maypole holiday. Great rite and all that. Wink, wink,
nudge nudge :)
You want I should dance around a pole?
Sure!
Bwahahahaha! Oh DEAR! :)
Heh, after all this time of knowing me, you can't claim innocence.
And, by the way, I should warn you. In this big, um, push to finally,
ahem, penetrate the fiction market, I'm going to spend this year doing
works that have sales in mind much more than artistic merit. The artiste
in me is going to have to wait for 2006.
So 2005 is the Year of the Dirty Book. You can imagine the mindset I'll be
in for the rest of this year. <eg>
(The second novel is already underway. 12,500 words so far. And, damn, I
have a really *dirty mind!)
Oh MY. PDF that sucker and send it my way :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Jan 2005 08:24:47 PM |
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In our last episode <34lsoeF4ef0nbU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:I6qdnca35fCwMHjcRVn-3Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34ksciF3r6rb2U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:MOKdnacbQa_8pXjcRVn-iw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jkk1F4c832cU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:aOSdnYh6QZ0zD3ncRVn-3Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jd9rF4b05qgU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:jfKdnXTLSsw35HncRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34j8rqF4aucmpU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns95DBBA563C561askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
news:ste6u09ub2cde7clbh9v89rsgiq9p1agu2@4ax.com...
snip
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia
Beach and Falwell is located somewhere else within the state.
It is quite a fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Why the heck are you asking me?!?!? :)
You don't keep an inventory? You know, in case somebody needs one
for Halloween?
I think you're thinking of Beltane :)
Belt who???
You know! That Maypole holiday. Great rite and all that. Wink,
wink, nudge nudge :)
You want I should dance around a pole?
Sure!
Bwahahahaha! Oh DEAR! :)
Heh, after all this time of knowing me, you can't claim innocence.
And, by the way, I should warn you. In this big, um, push to finally,
ahem, penetrate the fiction market, I'm going to spend this year doing
works that have sales in mind much more than artistic merit. The artiste
in me is going to have to wait for 2006.
So 2005 is the Year of the Dirty Book. You can imagine the mindset I'll
be in for the rest of this year. <eg>
(The second novel is already underway. 12,500 words so far. And, damn, I
have a really *dirty mind!)
Oh MY. PDF that sucker and send it my way :)
I dunno. The idea of people who know me reading this stuff is kinda
*embarrassing. <g>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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13 Jan 2005 06:47:53 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In our last episode <34lsoeF4ef0nbU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In our last episode <34ksciF3r6rb2U1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In our last episode <34jkk1F4c832cU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
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In our last episode <34jd9rF4b05qgU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:jfKdnXTLSsw35HncRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34j8rqF4aucmpU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff
lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns95DBBA563C561askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
news:ste6u09ub2cde7clbh9v89rsgiq9p1agu2@4ax.com...
snip
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia
Beach and Falwell is located somewhere else within the state.
It is quite a fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Why the heck are you asking me?!?!? :)
You don't keep an inventory? You know, in case somebody needs one
for Halloween?
I think you're thinking of Beltane :)
Belt who???
You know! That Maypole holiday. Great rite and all that. Wink,
wink, nudge nudge :)
You want I should dance around a pole?
Sure!
Bwahahahaha! Oh DEAR! :)
Heh, after all this time of knowing me, you can't claim innocence.
And, by the way, I should warn you. In this big, um, push to finally,
ahem, penetrate the fiction market, I'm going to spend this year doing
works that have sales in mind much more than artistic merit. The artiste
in me is going to have to wait for 2006.
So 2005 is the Year of the Dirty Book. You can imagine the mindset I'll
be in for the rest of this year. <eg>
(The second novel is already underway. 12,500 words so far. And, damn, I
have a really *dirty mind!)
Oh MY. PDF that sucker and send it my way :)
I dunno. The idea of people who know me reading this stuff is kinda
*embarrassing. <g>
LOL, understood :)
But do it anyway! :)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
13 Jan 2005 06:57:29 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:00:30 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:MOKdnacbQa_8pXjcRVn-iw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jkk1F4c832cU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:aOSdnYh6QZ0zD3ncRVn-3Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34jd9rF4b05qgU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:jfKdnXTLSsw35HncRVn-hw@megapath.net...
In our last episode <34j8rqF4aucmpU1@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept
out of the bushes shouting:
"Doc Smartass" <gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in
message news:Xns95DBBA563C561askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
news:ste6u09ub2cde7clbh9v89rsgiq9p1agu2@4ax.com...
snip
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach
and Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is
quite a fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Why the heck are you asking me?!?!? :)
You don't keep an inventory? You know, in case somebody needs one for
Halloween?
I think you're thinking of Beltane :)
Belt who???
You know! That Maypole holiday. Great rite and all that. Wink, wink,
nudge nudge :)
You want I should dance around a pole?
Sure!
Bwahahahaha! Oh DEAR! :)
Flopping floppy........
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
11 Jan 2005 07:17:12 PM |
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In our last episode <Xns95DBBA563C561askifyouwantit@216.77.188.18>, Doc
Smartass lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:36 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:11:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <34amg9F472qfaU2@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:22:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <348nrsF42mr8oU1@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
John Cosgrove
(R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that mandates all girls
and
women who experience a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion
report the
loss of their fetus to the police within twelve hours of the
loss. A
girl or woman who does not do so faces 12 months in prison and a
$2,500 fine.
Uh... WHAT?
Next he'll want nocturnal emissions reported. (Our government is
turning
into a bad Monty Python skit)
<pythonic>
"Every sperm is sacred."
</pythonic>
Exactly what was running through my head.
There may be confort in thinking that this HB is very unlikely to
pass.
Discomforting that we have people in Congress that would actually
*propose
it in the first place...
When all that gets elected are Jesus Freak Cretins(tm) what else can
you expect?
Agreed, but I fail to see why a miscarriage is any business of the
police. It happens all the time.
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach and
Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is quite a
fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
None.
(At least none over about ten)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:17:40 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
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"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:36 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:11:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <34amg9F472qfaU2@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:22:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <348nrsF42mr8oU1@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
John Cosgrove
(R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that mandates all
girls and
women who experience a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion
report the
loss of their fetus to the police within twelve hours of the
loss. A
girl or woman who does not do so faces 12 months in prison and
a $2,500 fine.
Uh... WHAT?
Next he'll want nocturnal emissions reported. (Our government is
turning
into a bad Monty Python skit)
<pythonic>
"Every sperm is sacred."
</pythonic>
Exactly what was running through my head.
There may be confort in thinking that this HB is very unlikely to
pass.
Discomforting that we have people in Congress that would actually
*propose
it in the first place...
When all that gets elected are Jesus Freak Cretins(tm) what else
can you expect?
Agreed, but I fail to see why a miscarriage is any business of the
police. It happens all the time.
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach and
Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is quite a
fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
None that I have come across.
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12 Jan 2005 08:46:13 PM |
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In our last episode <ctmbu0tp5r23bk68dcheoqb1vnce4uutlp@4ax.com>,
AngryJohn lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:17:40 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
news:ste6u09ub2cde7clbh9v89rsgiq9p1agu2@4ax.com...
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:36 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:v7f5u0pevuc65jikejpkb49tl1qu2dfchs@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:11:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <34amg9F472qfaU2@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:22:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <348nrsF42mr8oU1@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
John Cosgrove
(R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that mandates all
girls and
women who experience a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion
report the
loss of their fetus to the police within twelve hours of the
loss. A
girl or woman who does not do so faces 12 months in prison and
a $2,500 fine.
Uh... WHAT?
Next he'll want nocturnal emissions reported. (Our government is
turning
into a bad Monty Python skit)
<pythonic>
"Every sperm is sacred."
</pythonic>
Exactly what was running through my head.
There may be confort in thinking that this HB is very unlikely to
pass.
Discomforting that we have people in Congress that would actually
*propose
it in the first place...
When all that gets elected are Jesus Freak Cretins(tm) what else can
you expect?
Agreed, but I fail to see why a miscarriage is any business of the
police. It happens all the time.
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach and
Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is quite a
fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
None that I have come across.
(Must... resist... must... not... type...)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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12 Jan 2005 09:42:52 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:46:13 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <ctmbu0tp5r23bk68dcheoqb1vnce4uutlp@4ax.com>,
AngryJohn lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:17:40 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
news:ste6u09ub2cde7clbh9v89rsgiq9p1agu2@4ax.com...
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:36 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:v7f5u0pevuc65jikejpkb49tl1qu2dfchs@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:11:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <34amg9F472qfaU2@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:22:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <348nrsF42mr8oU1@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
John Cosgrove
(R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that mandates all
girls and
women who experience a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion
report the
loss of their fetus to the police within twelve hours of the
loss. A
girl or woman who does not do so faces 12 months in prison and
a $2,500 fine.
Uh... WHAT?
Next he'll want nocturnal emissions reported. (Our government is
turning
into a bad Monty Python skit)
<pythonic>
"Every sperm is sacred."
</pythonic>
Exactly what was running through my head.
There may be confort in thinking that this HB is very unlikely to
pass.
Discomforting that we have people in Congress that would actually
*propose
it in the first place...
When all that gets elected are Jesus Freak Cretins(tm) what else can
you expect?
Agreed, but I fail to see why a miscarriage is any business of the
police. It happens all the time.
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach and
Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is quite a
fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
None that I have come across.
(Must... resist... must... not... type...)
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13 Jan 2005 06:56:32 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:17:40 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in
news:34i372F49q7kpU1@individual.net:
"AngryJohn" <AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote in message
news:ste6u09ub2cde7clbh9v89rsgiq9p1agu2@4ax.com...
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:36 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:v7f5u0pevuc65jikejpkb49tl1qu2dfchs@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:11:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <34amg9F472qfaU2@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:22:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <348nrsF42mr8oU1@individual.net>, The Last
Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
John Cosgrove
(R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that mandates all
girls and
women who experience a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion
report the
loss of their fetus to the police within twelve hours of the
loss. A
girl or woman who does not do so faces 12 months in prison and
a $2,500 fine.
Uh... WHAT?
Next he'll want nocturnal emissions reported. (Our government is
turning
into a bad Monty Python skit)
<pythonic>
"Every sperm is sacred."
</pythonic>
Exactly what was running through my head.
There may be confort in thinking that this HB is very unlikely to
pass.
Discomforting that we have people in Congress that would actually
*propose
it in the first place...
When all that gets elected are Jesus Freak Cretins(tm) what else
can you expect?
Agreed, but I fail to see why a miscarriage is any business of the
police. It happens all the time.
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach and
Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is quite a
fundamental bastion of insanity.
Perhaps that explains why my religious relatives live there :P
So. How many virgins ARE there in Virginia?
Very few since its fairly common (I've read in a VA newspaper) for
fathers to ensure one less. (IIRC, the figure was 25% overall with
remoter areas it being more common)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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13 Jan 2005 06:54:20 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:37:49 -0500, AngryJohn
<AngryJohn@AngryJohnBelief.net> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:37:36 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:v7f5u0pevuc65jikejpkb49tl1qu2dfchs@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:11:42 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <34amg9F472qfaU2@individual.net>, The Last Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:22:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <348nrsF42mr8oU1@individual.net>, The Last Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
John Cosgrove
(R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that mandates all girls and
women who experience a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion report the
loss of their fetus to the police within twelve hours of the loss. A
girl or woman who does not do so faces 12 months in prison and a
$2,500 fine.
Uh... WHAT?
Next he'll want nocturnal emissions reported. (Our government is
turning
into a bad Monty Python skit)
<pythonic>
"Every sperm is sacred."
</pythonic>
Exactly what was running through my head.
There may be confort in thinking that this HB is very unlikely to pass.
Discomforting that we have people in Congress that would actually *propose
it in the first place...
When all that gets elected are Jesus Freak Cretins(tm) what else can
you expect?
Agreed, but I fail to see why a miscarriage is any business of the police.
It happens all the time.
This is Virginia. Pat Robertson has his empire in Virginia Beach and
Falwell is located somewhere else within the state. It is quite a
fundamental bastion of insanity.
Lynchburg.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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10 Jan 2005 09:09:58 AM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:22:19 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <348nrsF42mr8oU1@individual.net>, The Last Liberal
lept out of the bushes shouting:
John Cosgrove
(R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that mandates all girls and women
who experience a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion report the loss of
their fetus to the police within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman
who does not do so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
Uh... WHAT?
Next he'll want nocturnal emissions reported.
(Our government is turning into a bad Monty Python skit)
<pythonic>
"Every sperm is sacred."
</pythonic>
There may be confort in thinking that this HB is very unlikely to
pass.
Mind you, this is the same state that outlawed any and all "partnership contract or
other arrangement" between two individuals of the same sex, because such contracts
were being used to claim some of the rights of marriage (HB 751, 2004 session of
the House of Delegates.)
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The President is merely the most important among a large number
of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to
the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct,
his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and
disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is
absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell
the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly
necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when
he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both
base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of
the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or
wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about
him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth,
pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
President Theodore Roosevelt, editorial to the Kansas City Star
May 7, 1918
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10 Jan 2005 10:17:07 AM |
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In our last episode <41E29AC6.53E2537C@serv.net>, Gregory Gadow lept out
of the bushes shouting:
Mind you, this is the same state that outlawed any and all "partnership
contract or other arrangement" between two individuals of the same sex,
because such contracts were being used to claim some of the rights of
marriage (HB 751, 2004 session of the House of Delegates.)
Which makes you wonder if they haven't just outlawed doing business in
their state...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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07 Jan 2005 06:47:49 PM |
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On 07 Jan 2005, The Last Liberal dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The Bush Administration itself is a threat to all human and civil rights.
The abuse, if the law were to pass and be enforced, even surpases
all human rights abuses Scientology Inc. has committed.
Stoning will be next.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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07 Jan 2005 07:09:35 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:47:49 -0600, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 07 Jan 2005, The Last Liberal dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The Bush Administration itself is a threat to all human and civil rights.
Obviously. Bush2's approval of torture, and his sending hundreds
of American citizens to prison without those people being charged
with a crime, let alone convicted in a trial, is certainly
something that must be redressed.
The abuse, if the law were to pass and be enforced, even surpases
all human rights abuses Scientology Inc. has committed.
Stoning will be next.
in "The Handmaid's Tale" women who lost a fetus were hanged by
gangs of women.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
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http://lastliberal.org
The damn quote of yours has had more second comings
here than a hooker at a Baptist convention. - Marty
Leipzig
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07 Jan 2005 08:37:58 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 07 Jan 2005, The Last Liberal dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The Bush Administration itself is a threat to all human and civil rights.
This attempted fascist atrocity is the result of _Christianity_.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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08 Jan 2005 11:56:44 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:37:58 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 07 Jan 2005, The Last Liberal dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The Bush Administration itself is a threat to all human and civil rights.
This attempted fascist atrocity is the result of _Christianity_.
Which came first: male domination and subjugation of girls and
women, or Christianity?
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
---
http://lastliberal.org
"I upset most xtian type men. I don't know why. I upset their wives too, but not
as badly. That seems to upset the men even more. Somehow, I would think that the
compassionate inquiry about what emotional trauma destroyed their manhood
would be soothing, rather than upsetting." --- Katherine Wintersnight
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08 Jan 2005 08:47:38 PM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:37:58 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 07 Jan 2005, The Last Liberal dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The Bush Administration itself is a threat to all human and civil rights.
This attempted fascist atrocity is the result of _Christianity_.
Which came first: male domination and subjugation of girls and
women, or Christianity?
The former.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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http://lastliberal.org
"I upset most xtian type men. I don't know why. I upset their wives too, but not
as badly. That seems to upset the men even more. Somehow, I would think that the
compassionate inquiry about what emotional trauma destroyed their manhood
would be soothing, rather than upsetting." --- Katherine Wintersnight
Colin Day
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09 Jan 2005 09:33:28 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 02:47:38 GMT, Colin Day <cday3@sc.rr.com>
wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:37:58 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
This attempted fascist atrocity is the result of _Christianity_.
Which came first: male domination and subjugation of girls and
women, or Christianity?
The former.
Exactly. Religions are the result of cultures, not the other way
around.
---
http://lastliberal.org
"I would say that you should be what you were made to be. If you were created
white, stay that way. If you were made male, stay that way. And if you were made
heterosexual, AS WE ALL WERE, stay that way." --- Ken Young
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08 Jan 2005 11:57:03 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:29:49 GMT, (The Last
Liberal) wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
One major problem: the MAJORITY of pregnancies spontaneously
abort. Loss of a fetus is the default for human females.
Well, not to mention that fetuses start out as single cells. It's
often very hard to tell that you had a miscarriage. A fair percentage
of women don't have regular periods and often have heavy periods.
They wouldn't know they were pregnant and wouldn't know they had
miscarried.
Also, there are pregnancies called - 'chemical pregnancies'. Those are
pregnancies that register on the pregnancy tests but that's all.
Pregnancies, fetuses, miscarriages are not obvious things that are
easily discernable. Apparently this person has little experience with
how women and pregnancy works and no input from gynocologists.
Just why does this grusome man want this reported anyway? Has he got
some kind of wierd fetish?
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09 Jan 2005 07:58:54 AM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:41e7c5f0.104105281@news-west.newscene.com...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:29:49 GMT, (The Last
Liberal) wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
One major problem: the MAJORITY of pregnancies spontaneously
abort. Loss of a fetus is the default for human females.
Well, not to mention that fetuses start out as single cells. It's
often very hard to tell that you had a miscarriage. A fair percentage
of women don't have regular periods and often have heavy periods.
They wouldn't know they were pregnant and wouldn't know they had
miscarried.
Also, there are pregnancies called - 'chemical pregnancies'. Those are
pregnancies that register on the pregnancy tests but that's all.
One of my SILs recently had this. Her hormone levels were perfect, but
there was no baby - Just an empty sack, which she miscarried about 7 weeks
into the "pregnancy".
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Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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10 Jan 2005 12:34:47 PM |
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Kate wrote:
Just why does this grusome man want this reported anyway? Has he got
some kind of wierd fetish?
It is some kind of attempt to appear strongly anti-abortion for the
constituents. Some nut-job, Falwell-type must have told their flock
that miscarriage was used as an excuse for abortions and the idiots
were off.
jwk
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10 Jan 2005 11:37:42 AM |
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On 8 Jan 2005 23:57:03 -0600, (Kate ) wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:29:49 GMT, (The Last
Liberal) wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
One major problem: the MAJORITY of pregnancies spontaneously
abort. Loss of a fetus is the default for human females.
Well, not to mention that fetuses start out as single cells. It's
often very hard to tell that you had a miscarriage. A fair percentage
of women don't have regular periods and often have heavy periods.
They wouldn't know they were pregnant and wouldn't know they had
miscarried.
Also, there are pregnancies called - 'chemical pregnancies'. Those are
pregnancies that register on the pregnancy tests but that's all.
Pregnancies, fetuses, miscarriages are not obvious things that are
easily discernable. Apparently this person has little experience with
how women and pregnancy works and no input from gynocologists.
Just why does this grusome man want this reported anyway? Has he got
some kind of wierd fetish?
It's a mindless Baptist.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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08 Jan 2005 02:15:05 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:29:49 GMT, The Last Liberal wrote:
True? Not yet. But if Delegate John Cosgrove (R-78) has his way,
HB1677 will become law in a few short months, and this scenario
will be reality for many women in Virginia.
Incredulous? Outraged? Read on below the jump for more
information on this odious bill.
Usually I feel interpretations and reactions like this are overdone,
but in this case it is 100% warranted. They even have a provision in
the bill for people passing through: "If a fetal death occurs in a
moving conveyance, a fetal death report shall be filed in the
registration district in which the fetus was first removed from such
conveyance."
This travesty, the author of which can be contacted at
Del_Cosgrove@house.state.va.us, can be read in full at this link:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?051+ful+HB1677 . (The
referenced article only links to the summary.) I hope everyone reading
this who lives in his part of Chesapeake works to remove him.
Not surprisingly, he lists his Baptist church affiliation first on his
bio.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
07 Jan 2005 09:33:01 PM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
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There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
08 Jan 2005 08:40:20 PM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:st04b2-kf03.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
Gee I had a miscarriage almost 7 years ago and didn't report it. Should I
be worried? :)
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Robyn
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| User: "Larry T. no SPAM" |
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08 Jan 2005 08:45:47 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:34bjsiF49hnviU1@individual.net...
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:st04b2-kf03.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
Gee I had a miscarriage almost 7 years ago and didn't report it. Should I
be worried? :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557____________________
Have a miscarriage and go to jail! That is what most everybody feels like
doing right? This one sounds like an L. Ron Hubbard atheist.
Larry T. @ www.larryontheweb.freeservers.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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08 Jan 2005 09:01:37 PM |
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"Larry T." <(no SPAM) Larry@Toomajan.org> wrote in message
news:vV0Ed.598$7b.140@trndny05...
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:34bjsiF49hnviU1@individual.net...
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:st04b2-kf03.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
Gee I had a miscarriage almost 7 years ago and didn't report it. Should
I
be worried? :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557____________________
Have a miscarriage and go to jail! That is what most everybody feels like
doing right? This one sounds like an L. Ron Hubbard atheist.
Larry T. @ www.larryontheweb.freeservers.com
Um, WTF?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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