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"The Last Liberal" |
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07 Jan 2005 06:29:49 PM |
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Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
One major problem: the MAJORITY of pregnancies spontaneously
abort. Loss of a fetus is the default for human females.
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The abuse, if the law were to pass and be enforced, even surpases
all human rights abuses Scientology Inc. has committed.
The House Bill reminds me of Nicolae Ceausescu's laws regarding
the same thing: in Romania a girl or woman was required to be
pregnant--- "The fetus is the property of the entire society.
Anyone who avoids having children is a deserter who abandons the
laws of national continuity." If a girl or woman lost a pregnancy,
she faced prison and brutal abuse at the hands of the state.
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http://democracyforvirginia.typepad.com/democracy_for_virginia/2005/01/legislative_sen.html
Legislative Sentry: HB1677 - Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail
Imagine the following scenario.
You are at home alone at 8:00 on a Friday night. You are 8 weeks
pregnant. You are excited about the pregnancy, but being
cautious, you haven’t told anyone about it yet except your
partner, your best friend, your parents, and your doctor.
All of a sudden, you begin to experience heavy cramping. Bleeding
ensues. You realize with shock and sadness that you are probably
experiencing a miscarriage. You leave a message with your
doctor’s service. The on-call doctor calls back, offers
sympathies, and advises taking pain medication or going to the
hospital if the bleeding gets worse. She offers you the next
available appointment for a follow-up exam - Monday at 3PM. You
accept. You are overwhelmed with grief and surprised by the
intensity of physical pain involved. You call your partner and ask
him to come home from his “boys night out”, sparing him the reason
over the phone. You call your best friend. She offers to come
over immediately and make you cocoa. You cry.
You decide not to tell your parents yet; let them sleep through
the night before delivering the terrible news. Your partner comes
home and you break the sad news to him. He holds you on the couch
and you both cry together. Your best friend comes over with
cocoa. You cry some more. Over the next few hours, you suffer
pain, cramping, and intermittent bleeding. Exhausted, you finally
fall asleep in your partner’s arms around 4 AM. You sleep until
noon, and then gird yourself for the difficult call to your
parents, who were so eagerly anticipating their first grandchild.
Guess what? You just earned yourself up to 12 months in jail and
a $2,500 fine. Why? Because you failed to call the cops and
report your miscarriage within 12 hours.
True? Not yet. But if Delegate John Cosgrove (R-78) has his way,
HB1677 will become law in a few short months, and this scenario
will be reality for many women in Virginia.
Incredulous? Outraged? Read on below the jump for more
information on this odious bill.
HB1677, “Report of Fetal Death by mother, penalty”
It sounds preposterous to talk about criminalizing women who
suffer miscarriages, but one Virginia legislator is proposing just
that. HB1677, “Report of Fetal Death by mother, penalty” is a
bill introduced by John A. Cosgrove (R) of Chesapeake. Cosgrove’s
bill requires any woman who experiences “fetal death” without a
doctor’s assistance to report this to the local law-enforcement
agency within twelve hours of the miscarriage. Failure to do so
is punishable as a Class 1 Misdemeanor.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
09 Jan 2005 12:42:28 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:st04b2-kf03.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
Gee I had a miscarriage almost 7 years ago and didn't report it. Should I
be worried? :)
There's an interesting question for the Republidiot trying to pass the
bill. Does the Republidiot expect people to report retroactively?
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
09 Jan 2005 09:28:14 AM |
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:40:20 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote in message
news:st04b2-kf03.ln1@dhcpdns2.ddsoho.com...
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
Gee I had a miscarriage almost 7 years ago and didn't report it.
Should I be worried? :)
Fortunately, in the USA laws are generally not retrobutive
(unlike, for example, in the Hebrew Testament).
The House Bill fraudulently uses the term "miscarriage" for
"spontaneous abortion." I think that the Stalinist who thought up
the Bill deliberately chose the incorrect word because he does not
want to draw attention to the fact that most pregancies abort
spontaneously--- to his way of "thinking," that would make his
creator gods abortionists.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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http://lastliberal.org
"I pledge allegiance, to the Banner of Love, of the Eternal City Of God, and to
that Kingdom, for which it stands, one Holy Nation under God, indivisible,
with Liberty, Justice and Righteousness, for all who trust in the name of
Jesus Christ, our King Eternal." --- Bill Kochman (Adolf Hitler said it
better)
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
08 Jan 2005 11:18:57 AM |
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
And this proposed law is instigated by a Republican -- someone from a
political party that's supposed to be against large, fascist governments
that intrude into people's lives. The only way to enact this law would
be for everyone to report all sexual intercourse to some massive
government agency, then report all suspected pregnacies, then all
births and miscarriages, with the fascist regime issueing jail terms
to anyone who can show a recorded birth or miscarriage for all suspected
pregnacies.
Fucking Republinazi mother fuckers.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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08 Jan 2005 11:55:55 AM |
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Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" < > wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
And this proposed law is instigated by a Republican -- someone from a
political party that's supposed to be against large, fascist governments
that intrude into people's lives. The only way to enact this law would
be for everyone to report all sexual intercourse to some massive
government agency, then report all suspected pregnacies, then all
births and miscarriages, with the fascist regime issueing jail terms
to anyone who can show a recorded birth or miscarriage for all suspected
pregnacies.
Fucking Republinazi mother fuckers.
Actually, my wife made the observation as to why this won't happen.
It's a matter of monetary logistics.
Let us say, just as an example, that you have a state with 1 million
women, able to have children, and are pregnant. Now, as we know, 75 -
90% of all pregnancies miscarry. So we have a possibility of 900,000
miscarriages in a single year.
And under this law, everyone would have to be "investigated". How much
of the states tax collected money, would go for these "investigations"?
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
10 Jan 2005 11:31:30 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:55:55 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
Fredric L. Rice wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
And this proposed law is instigated by a Republican -- someone from a
political party that's supposed to be against large, fascist governments
that intrude into people's lives. The only way to enact this law would
be for everyone to report all sexual intercourse to some massive
government agency, then report all suspected pregnacies, then all
births and miscarriages, with the fascist regime issueing jail terms
to anyone who can show a recorded birth or miscarriage for all suspected
pregnacies.
Fucking Republinazi mother fuckers.
Actually, my wife made the observation as to why this won't happen.
It's a matter of monetary logistics.
Let us say, just as an example, that you have a state with 1 million
women, able to have children, and are pregnant. Now, as we know, 75 -
90% of all pregnancies miscarry. So we have a possibility of 900,000
miscarriages in a single year.
And under this law, everyone would have to be "investigated". How much
of the states tax collected money, would go for these "investigations"?
The focus would be on political enemies.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "The Last Liberal" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:16:47 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:18:57 GMT, FRice@SkepticTank.ORGREMOVE
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
"Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktayloraz@getnet.net> wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
< some scary ***** >
I think I'm going to be sick.
I just don't know what else to say, but I think I'm going to be sick.
And this proposed law is instigated by a Republican -- someone from a
political party that's supposed to be against large, fascist governments
that intrude into people's lives. The only way to enact this law would
be for everyone to report all sexual intercourse to some massive
government agency, then report all suspected pregnacies, then all
births and miscarriages, with the fascist regime issueing jail terms
to anyone who can show a recorded birth or miscarriage for all suspected
pregnacies.
The frightening thing is, it has already been tried.
http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/ceausesc.htm
Women were examined and interrogated: if they did not copulate
enough, they were taxed up to 10% of their income.
Remember when we watched the tape I have of "The Handmaid's Tale?"
(Staring Natasha Richardson and What's-his-name). The Republic of
Gilead was made up of the USA (the red states, election 2004), and
it had massive social upheaval and violence throughout the country
as the non-theo-fascist citizens fought to take back control of
the USA. There was also a mass exodus of citizens to Canada.
When I read the book I thought it was absurd to think such an
abomination could happen within a span of one dozen years, as
"Offred" in the book said. Looking at the USA today, I think "The
Handmaid's Tale" could be a reality in another dosen years. The
author wrote it as scathing satire against the "Religious Right,"
but under Bush2 is smacks of prophecy.
Fucking Republinazi mother fuckers.
Yes.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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http://lastliberal.org
"What really interests me is whether god has any choice in the creation of the
world." --- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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08 Jan 2005 08:47:47 PM |
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(The Last Liberal) wrote:
Remember when we watched the tape I have of "The Handmaid's Tale?"
(Staring Natasha Richardson and What's-his-name).
I saw that movie and considered the Theocratic cult something that the
new Bush Republicans would instigate. It was only toward the end of the
book that we learn that the brutal Christian Theocracy is only portion
of the United States.
We're heading there, absolutely.
---
Stop Elmer Fudd web site: http://www.ElmerFudd.US/
Covert text file server: http://www.notserver.com/
Scientology crooks: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
"And by the way - about the name you keep calling us -- "rightards". Very
nice of your liberal sorry fucked up ***** to come up with a name that debases
mentally disabled persons." -- Charlie Wolf
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| User: "The Sophist" |
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08 Jan 2005 12:39:18 PM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
Remember when we watched the tape I have of "The Handmaid's Tale?"
(Staring Natasha Richardson and What's-his-name). The Republic of
Gilead was made up of the USA (the red states, election 2004), and
it had massive social upheaval and violence throughout the country
as the non-theo-fascist citizens fought to take back control of
the USA. There was also a mass exodus of citizens to Canada.
When I read the book I thought it was absurd to think such an
abomination could happen within a span of one dozen years, as
"Offred" in the book said. Looking at the USA today, I think "The
Handmaid's Tale" could be a reality in another dosen years. The
author wrote it as scathing satire against the "Religious Right,"
but under Bush2 is smacks of prophecy.
I had a history professor back when I was an undergrad who predicted the
United States couldn't last past 2015. He also had never thought the
USSR would last past 2000, and at the time he mentioned his prediction
for the US (around '90), it was obvious his prediction for the USSR had
been generous; he was inclined to scale back his US prediction, perhaps
to 2010, as a result. I always thought he was just a typical crazy
libertarian (for such were his politics), but things do seem to be going
the way of the doomsayers these days.
--
Aaron Boyden
The main division between the so-called Continental and Analytic
traditions has been disputes over whether the task of being unclear
should be carried out in natural language or in a formal system.
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| User: "jwk" |
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10 Jan 2005 12:42:53 PM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
One major problem: the MAJORITY of pregnancies spontaneously
abort. Loss of a fetus is the default for human females.
I've posted the following article to these news groups because I
think this issue is a threat to human and civil rights of women.
The abuse, if the law were to pass and be enforced, even surpases
all human rights abuses Scientology Inc. has committed.
The House Bill reminds me of Nicolae Ceausescu's laws regarding
the same thing: in Romania a girl or woman was required to be
pregnant--- "The fetus is the property of the entire society.
Anyone who avoids having children is a deserter who abandons the
laws of national continuity." If a girl or woman lost a pregnancy,
she faced prison and brutal abuse at the hands of the state.
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http://democracyforvirginia.typepad.com/democracy_for_virginia/2005/01/legislative_sen.html
Legislative Sentry: HB1677 - Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail
Imagine the following scenario.
You are at home alone at 8:00 on a Friday night. You are 8 weeks
pregnant. You are excited about the pregnancy, but being
cautious, you haven't told anyone about it yet except your
partner, your best friend, your parents, and your doctor.
All of a sudden, you begin to experience heavy cramping. Bleeding
ensues. You realize with shock and sadness that you are probably
experiencing a miscarriage. You leave a message with your
doctor's service. The on-call doctor calls back, offers
sympathies, and advises taking pain medication or going to the
hospital if the bleeding gets worse. She offers you the next
available appointment for a follow-up exam - Monday at 3PM. You
accept. You are overwhelmed with grief and surprised by the
intensity of physical pain involved. You call your partner and ask
him to come home from his "boys night out", sparing him the
reason
over the phone. You call your best friend. She offers to come
over immediately and make you cocoa. You cry.
You decide not to tell your parents yet; let them sleep through
the night before delivering the terrible news. Your partner comes
home and you break the sad news to him. He holds you on the couch
and you both cry together. Your best friend comes over with
cocoa. You cry some more. Over the next few hours, you suffer
pain, cramping, and intermittent bleeding. Exhausted, you finally
fall asleep in your partner's arms around 4 AM. You sleep until
noon, and then gird yourself for the difficult call to your
parents, who were so eagerly anticipating their first grandchild.
Guess what? You just earned yourself up to 12 months in jail and
a $2,500 fine. Why? Because you failed to call the cops and
report your miscarriage within 12 hours.
True? Not yet. But if Delegate John Cosgrove (R-78) has his way,
HB1677 will become law in a few short months, and this scenario
will be reality for many women in Virginia.
Incredulous? Outraged? Read on below the jump for more
information on this odious bill.
HB1677, "Report of Fetal Death by mother, penalty"
It sounds preposterous to talk about criminalizing women who
suffer miscarriages, but one Virginia legislator is proposing just
that. HB1677, "Report of Fetal Death by mother, penalty" is a
bill introduced by John A. Cosgrove (R) of Chesapeake. Cosgrove's
bill requires any woman who experiences "fetal death" without a
doctor's assistance to report this to the local law-enforcement
agency within twelve hours of the miscarriage. Failure to do so
is punishable as a Class 1 Misdemeanor.
This law is only being proposed to show the constituents that Cosgrove
is against abortion. He is taking a moral stand. Even if he has no
expectation of accomplishing anything other than his own reelection.
Even if he got the law passed no cop would enforce it. Virginia also
has a law against sex outside of marriage. The Attorney General some
years ago, responding to a challenge of the law, basically said that no
cop would ever arrest anyone on that statute. They don't want a legal
challenge to it. The lawmakers can tout it and talk up their morality
without actually having to do anything. But if anyone was ever
arrested there are about a dozen groups that would jump on the chance
to pay their legal fees, and the state would look ridiculous. This
proposal is all political posturing. Even if they pass the law, it's
still just a stunt.
jwk
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| User: "Jez" |
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09 Jan 2005 08:40:35 AM |
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The Last Liberal wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
Eech...are they going after wasted sperm next ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
yahoo ID: hellward2004
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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09 Jan 2005 09:21:16 AM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:m6CdnUL-jJbA33zcRVnyrA@pipex.net...
The Last Liberal wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
Eech...are they going after wasted sperm next ?
All the guys are in a hell of a lot of trouble! :)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:37:59 AM |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:40:35 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
Eech...are they going after wasted sperm next ?
Yes. "Moo."
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Lady Chatterly" |
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| Title: Re: Have Miscarriage, Go to Jail |
10 Jan 2005 12:38:17 PM |
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In article <bbf5u0ltkms5lj40gqlusgm5itcq9ta2g9@4ax.com>
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:40:35 0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote:
The Last Liberal wrote:
The United States of America is one of the finest countries in the
world. Its government, however, often sucks limes. For example,
John Cosgrove (R-Virginia) wishes to have passed a law that
mandates all girls and women who experience a miscarriage or
spontaneous abortion report the loss of their fetus to the police
within twelve hours of the loss. A girl or woman who does not do
so faces 12 months in prison and a $2,500 fine.
Eech...are they going after wasted sperm next ?
Yes. "Moo."
EHcGZKRjrTkPFKSfEyWWFHc4M0qXHx1SERukn1c3qJISFTAGowO1Z0tjn2cl
IIAEo3yKAHIuI1uUFKSfPxMFrIySHayKEQOAFRSHZIETLHyVHTSFnxMHL2cV
LKyTERyWE0MFI1qkFHIKEyW5rHuIrKqkFR1SFQSkoNcTHaIypSI1AHEVGHMk
ITghEzSWnRc4L09kqQ09
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Lady Chatterly
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insulted if I were you." -- Dan Baldwin
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