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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"duke"
Date:	22 Oct 2004 12:46:24 PM
Object:	He can run but he can't hide.

The coming thrust of the remaining effort to discredit, and rightfully so, the politics of
flipper flop kerry.
For the next 10 days, book it. flipper can run from his past record as a sorry "spend and
spend some more" big government senator, but he can't hide.
He rejects the funds for soldier body armor, and delivers the pork.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 11:57:08 AM

duke wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:23:33 -0400, AngryJohn <AngryJohnBelief@AngryJohn.net> wrote:

Clinton was not President on 911.

The entire mess was set up under him while he was doing tricks instead of performing as
president.

'rat willie's surplus set up massive layoffs of unneeded workers, you know.

Prove it.
Oh, that's right, you can't. All you can do is make unsubstantiated
claims, and then twirl around waving your hands going
"is to, is to, nanny nanny poo poo."
Grow up ducky.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor

A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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User: ""
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 10:04:41 AM

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:22:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant ***** around.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Bush in three budget years has saddled us with $1.630 trillion in debt.
That is $543 billion a year over three budget years.

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

what tricks?

This is the most massive spending spree ever in thr history of the US, bar
none.
Bush's plans are responsible for this as the CBO has noted.

$543 billion a year is about $1811 year per American tax payer.
$5410 per American over three years. $21,733 per family of four.
That is the price of a rather nice automobile in three short years.
Bush has a GOP House and Senate and nobody to blame but himself.

Yes, he does. 'rat willie.

<remainder snipped unread>

duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 03:36:10 PM

wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:22:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant *****
around.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Bush in three budget years has saddled us with $1.630 trillion in debt.
That is $543 billion a year over three budget years.

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

what tricks?

You know, balancing the budget, cutting spending, shrinking
government size, dropping failed Reaganomics policies,
creating the largest economic expansion since WWII,
Lowest unemployment rate since the kennedy 60's,
largest growth in personal income since Johnson,
and a generally great economy.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 07:20:31 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:36:10 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

what tricks?

What do you think created the funds to balance the budget. Two words - Reagan.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "keith"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	25 Oct 2004 07:35:07 AM

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<2d7nn0tung8eg0r6vsere8gemgm0okeio2@4ax.com>...

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:36:10 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

what tricks?

What do you think created the funds to balance the budget. Two words - Reagan.

Here's the essential fact: Clinton raised taxes on the richest
Americans, adding in a 39% tax bracket, and in spite of Republican
predictions of doom the result was the best economy in decades. This
doesn't prove that Clintonomics caused the boom, but it does prove
that our economy doesn't need Bush's tax cuts for the super rich in
order to perform well. THis means that Bush's record high deficits
represent money flushed down the toilet.
Keith

duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 02:44:53 PM

duke wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:36:10 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

what tricks?

What do you think created the funds to balance the budget. Two words -
Reagan.

Reagan did not create funds.
He created vast debt.
That is why his 'economy' started sliding
into the crapper towards the end and his successor
Bush had a deep and ugly recession that ended his career.
You are soooo, stupid. You didn't even think for a second about why if
Reagan's "funds" did anything, Bush had a recession.
And no, Reagan did not balance the budget.
Damn! You ARE stupid!
He left only deficits, he nearly tripled the national debt.
You are ignorant AND stupid.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm
Here, look at the facts, something you are utterly unfamilar with.
Reagan started with $1.029 trillion in debt from the proceeding 200
years since 1776.
Reagan added $1.846 trillionin debt to that.
What funds to balance the budget?
We have now a national debt of $1.730 trillion.
Bush $1.611
Bush $1.824
Reagan $1.846
-------------------------
$5.281 trillion
Three recent GOP presidnet accounted for
71% of our national debt.
AWOL Bush gave us $1.611 trillion alone, 26%
in three budget years.
Damn! You ARE STUPID!
And utterly unaquainted with anything resembling
a fact.
**************************************
Yearly Average Real Deficits Broken
down by Presidental Administrations.
Source: www.publicdebt.treas.gov
*************************************
Date Amount

Bush (Budget years)
10/07/2004 $7,418,151,165,657.99
09/30/2004 7,397.052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6.783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
$7.419 trillions
- 5.807
-------
$1.611 trillion / 3 budget years
= $537 billions average deficit per year
----------------------------------
Clinton
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
$5.807 trillions
- 4.411
--------
1.396 trillions / 8 budget years
= $174.5 billion average deficit per budget year
----------------------------------
Bush

09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
$4.411 trillions
- 2.587
---------
1.824 trillions / 4 budget years
= $456 billions average deficit per budget year
----------------------------------
Reagan
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
12/31/1985 1,945,941,616,459.88
12/31/1984 1,662,966,000,000.00
12/31/1983 1,410,702,000,000.00
12/31/1982 1,197,073,000,000.00
$2.857 trillions
- 1.029
--------
$1.846
= $228.5 billions average deficit per budget year
----------------------------------
Carter
12/31/1981 1,028,729,000,000.00
12/31/1980 930,210,000,000.00
12/31/1979 845,116,000,000.00
12/29/1978 789,207,000,000.00
$1.029 trillions
- 719 billions
----------
$238 billions / 4 budget years
= $59.5 billions deficits average per budget year

----------------------------------
Nixon/Ford
12/30/1977 718,943,000,000.00
12/31/1976 653,544,000,000.00
12/31/1975 576,649,000,000.00
12/31/1974 492,665,000,000.00
12/31/1973 469,898,039,554.70
12/29/1972 449,298,066,119.00
12/31/1971 424,130,961,959.95
12/31/1970 389,158,403,690.26
$719 billions
- 368 billions
---------------
$351 billions / 4 budget years
= $43.9 billions average deficit per budget year
------------------------------------
Kennedy/Johnson

12/31/1969 368,225,581,254.41
12/31/1968 358,028,625,002.91
12/29/1967 344,663,009,745.18
12/30/1966 329,319,249,366.68
12/31/1965 320,904,110,042.04
12/31/1964 317,940,472,718.38
12/31/1963 309,346,845,059.17
12/31/1964 303,470,080,489.27
$368 billions
- 296 billions
---------------
$72 billons / 8 budget years
= $9 billion average deficit per budget year
-----------------------------------
Eisenhower

12/29/1961 296,168,761,214.92
12/30/1960 290,216,815,241.68
12/31/1959 290,797,771,717.63
12/31/1958 282,922,423,583.87
12/31/1957 274,897,784,290.72
12/31/1956 276,627,527,996.11
12/30/1955 280,768,553,188.96
12/31/1954 278,749,814,391.33
$296 billions
- 275 billions
-------------
$21 billions / 8 budget years
= $2.625 billions average deficit per budget year
----------------------------------
Truman
12/31/1953 275,168,120,129.39
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04
06/30/1949 252,770,359,860.33
$275 billions
-253
------
$24 billions / 4 budget years
= $6 billions average deficit per budget year

**********************************************
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	25 Oct 2004 05:35:01 PM

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:44:53 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

What do you think created the funds to balance the budget. Two words -
Reagan.

Reagan did not create funds.
He created vast debt.

No, no, good ignorant buddy. All the monies earmarked for defense became available for
other uses with the collapse of the USSR. A beautiful star wars strategy. That's the
money 'rat willie used to balance the deficit. Are you old enough to understand what is
going on now. Are you still blinded by flip flopper kerry's lies.
Now he can't even add. Talking to 4 people to him means talking to 15 people.
Haahaahaahaahaahaa.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	26 Oct 2004 09:50:04 PM

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:44:53 -0400, wbarwell wrote:

duke wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:36:10 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

what tricks?

What do you think created the funds to balance the budget. Two words -
Reagan.

Reagan did not create funds.

That one was pretty funny. How did "create funds?" Run his own printing
press?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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User: "W. Syme"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	22 Oct 2004 06:45:19 PM

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:22:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant ***** around.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Bush in three budget years has saddled us with $1.630 trillion in debt.
That is $543 billion a year over three budget years.

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

I refuse to believe that you think that. I'm sure you're a reasonably
intelligent person, and not a schizphrenic (?). You're saying that
because accepting that you're wrong is painful. But sometimes, it
might just be the healthy thing to do.
If you DO believe that, you need a psychiatrist. Good luck with it.
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 06:33:06 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:19 +0200, W. Syme <Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

I refuse to believe that you think that.

I can't believe any adult is too stupid to understand it.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "AngryJohn"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 11:37:31 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:33:06 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:19 +0200, W. Syme <Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

I refuse to believe that you think that.

I can't believe any adult is too stupid to understand it.

Your lack of understanding must mean you are a teenager.
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User: "duke"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 12:23:08 PM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:37:31 -0400, AngryJohn <AngryJohnBelief@AngryJohn.net> wrote:

Your lack of understanding must mean you are a teenager.

Haven't been a teenager for 43 years now.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "AngryJohn"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 02:14:32 PM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:23:08 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:37:31 -0400, AngryJohn <AngryJohnBelief@AngryJohn.net> wrote:

Your lack of understanding must mean you are a teenager.

Haven't been a teenager for 43 years now.

So you admit to being a dumb old *****. Thanks
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User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 03:36:58 PM

AngryJohn wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:23:08 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:37:31 -0400, AngryJohn
<AngryJohnBelief@AngryJohn.net> wrote:

Your lack of understanding must mean you are a teenager.

Haven't been a teenager for 43 years now.

So you admit to being a dumb old *****. Thanks

Ain't no fool like an old fool.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 07:16:57 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:36:58 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

So you admit to being a dumb old *****. Thanks

Ain't no fool like an old fool.

Especially when he's right.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 02:45:37 PM

duke wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:36:58 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

So you admit to being a dumb old *****. Thanks

Ain't no fool like an old fool.

Especially when he's right.

Yiu aren't right.
And you are stupid.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "duke"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 07:16:25 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:14:32 -0400, AngryJohn <AngryJohnBelief@AngryJohn.net> wrote:

So you admit to being a dumb old *****. Thanks

Not dumb.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.

User: "AngryJohn"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	25 Oct 2004 12:13:49 AM

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:16:25 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:14:32 -0400, AngryJohn <AngryJohnBelief@AngryJohn.net> wrote:

So you admit to being a dumb old *****. Thanks

Not dumb.

duke
*****

Nope, a "dumb old *****!"
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 07:53:28 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:19 +0200, W.Syme wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:22:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant *****
around.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Bush in three budget years has saddled us with $1.630 trillion in debt.
That is $543 billion a year over three budget years.

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

I think he needs professional help. He repeatedly acts as if he seriously
believes Clinton and Democrats in general are some kind of demonic beings.
It's not even a matter of disagreement, I suspect dukkke would go along
with jailing if not extermination of the opposition.
And talk about loopy blaming Bush's massive increases in discretionary
spending on *Clinton. I mean, how does Clinton do it? Magical powers?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 08:49:51 AM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:45:19 +0200, W.Syme wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:22:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant *****
around.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Bush in three budget years has saddled us with $1.630 trillion in debt.
That is $543 billion a year over three budget years.

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

He's a cretin.
IQ is about 89.
Uneducatable, stupid, witless.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "Fear gan dia"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	22 Oct 2004 06:52:19 PM

Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by W. Syme
in <1098488376.ityWqy3l9kkLoSWJ/xWj2w@1usenet>:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:22:10 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant ***** around.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Bush in three budget years has saddled us with $1.630 trillion in debt.
That is $543 billion a year over three budget years.

Blame that on 'rat wilie's 911 tricks. And I do mean tricks.

Junior's supporters are immune to facts. It's a defense
mechanism to prevent their heads from exploding.
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_9_29_04.html#1
http://snipurl.com/a044
--
The Very Irrev. Fear gan dia # http://goddamliberal.port5.com
DUMP THE CHIMP! Re-elect a Democrat in '04.
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 08:23:33 AM

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell wrote:

duke wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant *****
around.

Actually, know what's funny about dukkke?
He's defending the most liberal President elected in the last 40 years (or
more). Bush's domestic spending record runs two to three times the
increases under Clinton. Bush is outspending *CARTER* of all people.
The "No Child Left Behind" act was a bill by TED KENNEDY. Bush backed it.
The creation of Homeland Security was a DEMOCRATIC proposal. The
prescription benefit added to Medicare was the biggest increase in the
federal welfare system in 40 years. Bush is spending like a drunken sailor
and that's *without* defense spending even considered.
His 2005 budget claims a deficit of only about $360 or so billion. By, get
this, assuming a 13% increase in revenues. But the Republicans just rammed
a $136 billion dollar corporate tax cut through Congress. Where this
magical increase in revenue is going to come from is an interesting
question. Without it, if revenues increase along the lines we've been
seeing, the deficits are going to be around a half trillion a year (if not
more). If Bush is re-elected, we're likely to see a national debt of over
$10 trillion before he's out office.
Which means--if interest rates manage to hold steady--some $400 to $420
billion a year to service the debt. And can you imagine if the interest
rates for servicing the debt rose to early '80s levels? Interest payments
of $800 billion to $1 trillion a year?
A third to as much as a half of our entire federal budget devoted to
nothing but interest payments...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "JTEM"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 08:56:13 AM

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote

His 2005 budget claims a deficit of only about $360 or
so billion. By, get this, assuming a 13% increase in
revenues. But the Republicans just rammed a $136 billion
dollar corporate tax cut through Congress. Where this
magical increase in revenue is going to come from is an
interesting question.

It's worse than you imagine (as if it's unusual for me to say
that). The economy is heading back into recession:
| The index of leading economic indicators, a gauge of the
| economy's likely direction, slipped for a fourth month in
| September, according to the median forecast. The soaring
| price of oil, combined with weaker job growth than earlier
| this year, may cause consumers to watch their spending,
| economists said.
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=aSB31PH13a6E&refer=hom
e
Down four months in a row. There's still growth in our
economy, but that growth is already slowing down, heading
ever closer to *Zero* and then recession.
That's the way these things work. You don't snap from
expansion to recession. There's less & less growth each
month, as you slowly tick down into the negatives.
Without it, if revenues increase along the lines we've been

seeing, the deficits are going to be around a half trillion a year (if not
more). If Bush is re-elected, we're likely to see a national debt of over
$10 trillion before he's out office.

Which means--if interest rates manage to hold steady--some $400 to $420
billion a year to service the debt. And can you imagine if the interest
rates for servicing the debt rose to early '80s levels? Interest payments
of $800 billion to $1 trillion a year?

A third to as much as a half of our entire federal budget devoted to
nothing but interest payments...

--
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EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 06:55:19 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:56:13 -0400, JTEM wrote:

"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote

His 2005 budget claims a deficit of only about $360 or so billion. By,
get this, assuming a 13% increase in revenues. But the Republicans just
rammed a $136 billion dollar corporate tax cut through Congress. Where
this magical increase in revenue is going to come from is an interesting
question.

It's worse than you imagine (as if it's unusual for me to say that). The
economy is heading back into recession:

| The index of leading economic indicators, a gauge of the economy's
| likely direction, slipped for a fourth month in September, according to
| the median forecast. The soaring price of oil, combined with weaker job
| growth than earlier this year, may cause consumers to watch their
| spending, economists said.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=aSB31PH13a6E&refer=hom
e

Down four months in a row. There's still growth in our economy, but that
growth is already slowing down, heading ever closer to *Zero* and then
recession.

That's the way these things work. You don't snap from expansion to
recession. There's less & less growth each month, as you slowly tick down
into the negatives.

Oh joy. So revenues could actually drop. You know, if they just hold
steady, that's a deficit of at least $600 billion. Excluding who knows how
much Bush left out trying to make the deficit look smaller...
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is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	23 Oct 2004 08:45:51 AM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:42:22 -0400, wbarwell wrote:

duke wrote:

You are the sorriest , dumbest, stupidest, most ignorant *****
around.

And leaving out the money needed for the
iraq tar baby war.
But the Republicans just rammed

a $136 billion dollar corporate tax cut through Congress. Where this
magical increase in revenue is going to come from is an interesting
question. Without it, if revenues increase along the lines we've been
seeing, the deficits are going to be around a half trillion a year (if not
more). If Bush is re-elected, we're likely to see a national debt of over
$10 trillion before he's out office.

Bush and the GOP want to 'fix' the minimum tax bill which
would further drop revenues over future years which also
notoriously is not factored into the lying Bush budgets.

Which means--if interest rates manage to hold steady--some $400 to $420
billion a year to service the debt. And can you imagine if the interest
rates for servicing the debt rose to early '80s levels? Interest payments
of $800 billion to $1 trillion a year?

A third to as much as a half of our entire federal budget devoted to
nothing but interest payments...

Its now over 1/5th.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 07:30:43 AM

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:45:51 -0400, wbarwell wrote:

Bush and the GOP want to 'fix' the minimum tax bill which would further
drop revenues over future years which also notoriously is not factored
into the lying Bush budgets.

In fact, some magical, incredible increase in revenues is. This is
interesting. From the White House site itself, the revenues (total,
including Social Security payroll taxes) have been doing this:
Year Total Change
2001 1991 -1.68%
2002 1853 -6.93%
2003 1782 -3.83%
2004 1798 0.90%
So the Bushies estimate this:
2005 2036 13.24%
2006 2205 8.30%
2007 2350 6.58%
2008 2485 5.74%
2009 2616 5.27%
Since 1990, however, even with the "Internet bubble" that we passed
through, we've not seen a 13.24% increase in revenues. Not at all. Highest
was at the peek of the "bubble" when we saw a 10.84% increase (2000 over
1999).
We saw an (rough) average of about 8% per year increase during the Clinton
economy. Even with the decline from the recession, we're still only just a
bit below 1999 levels now.
Here's a funny. Under "liberal" Clinton, the average increase, overall, in
the budget was about 3.6% per year. Under "conservative" Bush, it's been
about 7.6%. More than twice. That does, yes, include non-discretionary
spending but I can't help but notice if the average increases under Bush
had been held *down* to Clinton's average, the *total* deficit spending
for 2001-2004 (given the receipts we had) would have about $450 billion.
Bush has done that in *one *year...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
.

User: "wbarwell"
Title: Re: He can run but he can't hide.	24 Oct 2004 02:33:48 PM

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:45:51 -0400, wbarwell wrote:

Bush and the GOP want to 'fix' the minimum tax bill which would further
drop revenues over future years which also notoriously is not factored
into the lying Bush budgets.

Yes, its a fraud. The idea that Bush can cut deficits in half
are based on exremely funny numbers.
Also not included in costs are future Iraq war costs.
And Bush has said he will look at reforming the minimum tax
laws which wil add well over $100 billion in future costs.
This is not factored in either. Other financial experts tell us
that high national debt will probably soon start costing us much
more ininterest swelling costs to finance the national debt
interest costs, and this is not factored in either.
Bush also factors in laughable estimates that congress
will drastically cut spending in future years.
The lies! The lies! They just pile up so high!

Since 1990, however, even with the "Internet bubble" that we passed
through, we've not seen a 13.24% increase in revenues. Not at all. Highest
was at the peek of the "bubble" when we saw a 10.84% increase (2000 over
1999).

We saw an (rough) average of about 8% per year increase during the Clinton
economy. Even with the decline from the recession, we're still only just a
bit below 1999 levels now.

Here's a funny. Under "liberal" Clinton, the average increase, overall, in
the budget was about 3.6% per year. Under "conservative" Bush, it's been
about 7.6%. More than twice. That does, yes, include non-discretionary
spending but I can't help but notice if the average increases under Bush
had been held *down* to Clinton's average, the *total* deficit spending
for 2001-2004 (given the receipts we had) would have about $450 billion.

Bush has done that in *one *year...

Bush has stolen all SS trust funds on top of that.
$149 billion last year. So $415 billion deficit spending for
fiscal 2004 + $149 billion. $564 billons.
He's killing us.
--
Kerry - two medals a silver and bronze star.
Bush? Well they don't give medals
for going AWOL, missing your medical and
getting grounded or falling off of a bar stool.
Kerry - a hero, Bush - a zero
Cheerful Charlie
.

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