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Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
Enter Stage Right ^ | 5/29/06 | Alisa Craddock
Posted on 05/29/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by AlaninSA
A vote on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in the United
States as a union between one man and one woman is expected on June 6.
I cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business right now
than this, having as it does such tremendous implications for the
health of our republic and the society in which we live. If anyone
needs proof that a marriage amendment must become law in this country,
we need only look at our always progressive friends across the
sea-the Dutch-to see the future that is waiting for us, and to
anticipate a hundred years hence the future that isn't. Last year the
Netherlands, which has legalized same sex marriage, had their first
polyamory union. A man married two women, bisexuals, both of them,
making this not a polygamous but a polyamorous arrangement. It is
technically true that what they signed was what is called in Holland a
"cohabitation contract" and not a marriage license at all, but who's
picking knits. "I love both Bianca and Mirjam" said Victor de Bruijn,
the "groom", "so I am marrying them both." As far as he's concerned,
he's married. How long do you think it will be before Holland is
compelled to recognize their "marriage" as well? On what legal grounds,
given that government's legalization of same-sex marriage, could the
Dutch government deny the trio legal status and recognition if they
decide to petition for it?
There is no more crucial issue in this country right now, save that of
protecting the children in the womb from murder, and protecting
children who make it out of the womb from child predators (and
left-wing ideologues-oh, but I already said child predators, didn't
I?) than protecting the institution of marriage, for the sake of those
children, both born and unborn, the preservation of family life, and
the stability of our country. The Lawrence v. Texas decision in this
country that struck down anti-sodomy laws and other pro-homosexual
decisions by renegade courts has assigned to homosexuality a legitimacy
it does not merit, and paved the way for gay unions to be recognized in
law, which would elevate it to the level of a civil right. It would
soon be followed by a hate crimes law to ensure (coerce) public
acceptance of the new status. If homosexual unions were permitted, the
crumbling vestiges of our culture would not be able to withstand it.
What grounds would the U.S. government have to bar other kinds of
unions as well? To anyone who has not been completely brainwashed by
gay propaganda, the notion of homosexuality as a variation of normal,
much less a civil right, could not be more absurd. If you legitimize
one perversion, you must legitimize all. If you extend special rights
to one, others have a "legitimate" claim on the same protections. There
are polyamorist groups waiting in the wings for the legalization of gay
marriage so that they can begin campaigning for group marriages. The
implied interchangeability of partners foreshadows an end to monogamy.
In Holland the life expectancy of a gay marriage is 1.5 years, with an
average of 8 "extramarital" encounters in that time period. Sounds like
a real wholesome environment for children, doesn't it? There are always
exceptions, of course, but they are not the norm.
The overwhelming majority of people in this country support the
definition of marriage as a union of one man to one woman. This became
crystal clear during the last election when 11 states (out of 11 with
the measure on the ballot) voted overwhelmingly for state laws
protecting marriage. This is not a selfish or bigoted stance, but a
necessary protection for an institution that has rightly been called
"the seedbed of society", from which future generations are nutured.
Once the institution of marriage is open to other non-traditional
living arrangements, it will lead to complete disintegration of
authentic, marriage between one man and one woman who marry for the
good purpose (in terms of society) of child rearing. There is simply no
substitute for parents, both father and mother, in the rearing of
children. Rabbi Daniel Lapin pointed out in his book America's Real War
that in Hebrew, there is no word for "parent". There is only a word for
"parents". There are supposed to be two, a biological mother and
father, and they are supposed to be permanent. (Ah, Jewish wisdom.
Well, consider the Source.) The bonding between children and both
parents is now known to be necessary for the emotional wellbeing and
social adjustment of children. No amount of psychological counseling
and behavioral conditioning can substitute for parental love in the
moral, social and psychological health of children. [One should
probably note, though, that since we are moving toward a socialist
nanny state, parenthood (in the eyes of Nanny) is a hindrance to the
state's socialist conditioning of your children, and so the marriage
represents competition with the state for control of their minds.
Destruction of marriage is most assuredly considered by the more
extreme ideologues of the left to be a desirable thing, making it even
more imperative to protect marriage in law.]
Homosexuals (and others, such as feminists, polygamy and polyamory
advocates, the gender identity disordered, and even pedophiles) will
stop at nothing to derail a return to traditional morality and
traditional marriage and family. The goals are not so noble as a quest
for equality or love or justice, nor about the stabilizing and economic
benefits of marriage. It may be for some, but for most, the agenda is
to legitimize all forms of sexual expression at any age. They have
already turned the standard of normalcy upside down. Take for example,
the furor last year over Jada Pinkett Smith's 'insensitive' remark
that women could "have it all-a loving man, devoted husband, loving
children, a fabulous career..." The Harvard campus BGLTSA (that's
Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, Transgender and Supporters Alliance) went
apoplectic that Pinkett Smith would refer to marriage in such exclusive
terms. Her remarks were deemed too "heteronormative" and some students
were "offended", prompting the BGLTSA and the Harvard Foundation for
Intercultural and Race Relations to begin working together to "increase
sensitivity toward issues of sexuality at Harvard". We mustn't speak of
the marital union only as a heterosexual institution, people! We offend
our gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and dolphin-loving sisters and
brothers.
Should homosexuality receive the legitimacy and sanction of law, gay
"adoption rights" will follow, and educators will be forced to begin
teaching children at the earliest possible age about "diverse" family
arrangements. "What is a family?" Anything you want it to be? I
remember when I was a little girl about five I innocently told my
mother that when I grew up I was going to marry her. She laughed and
said I couldn't marry her-girls don't marry girls and besides she was
already married to my father. That's the age they'll have to get to
them: Five (before the laws of nature and of nature's God have
imprinted themselves on their innocent little minds), so that they can
teach them that Heather has two mommies, and "that's okay, that's
normal." And just so is it happening already in Massachusetts where
homosexuality is deeply entrenched in the culture, and where gay
marriage has been thrust upon the people through judicial fiat (as
usual). But it isn't merely marriage that is undermined, you see. It's
family. The notion of "parents" as "family" and "family" as the best
environment for the rearing and wellbeing of children is seriously
under attack.
Once gay marriage has been permitted, authentic liberty will vanish as
every effort of Christians and others to live according to the laws of
God and their own moral beliefs is met with litigation. They will be
sought out for ruination by gay activists, just as is happening in
Canada now. (I'm referring to the cases of Costco employee David
Hauser, who was allegedly set up by his gay colleagues, and Scott
Brockie, the printer who ended up with a $40,000 debt for trying to
defend his freedom of religion. Both men were cited for discrimination
for refusal to offer services or facilities to gays for, in Hauser's
case, the use of the Knights of Columbus Hall for a gay marriage, and
in Brockie's case, his refusal to print literature for a gay
organization with alleged pedophilia ties. The hate crimes law we (in
the U.S.) have thus far been successful in preventing from becoming law
will be enacted and then as one lesbian put it, "we'll really go after
the bigots." Already the infamous Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has
paved the way for schools to force homosexual education on children in
California, and California's legislature has just voted for new laws
mandating the teaching of "tolerance" for homosexuality, bisexuality,
and transgenderism in California public schools, with the threat of
withholding of critical funding if schools don't comply. Textbooks will
have to be rewritten to reflect the contributions of gays, lesbians,
bisexuals and transgendered people, and presumably those perceived by
gays to be gay, (such as Abraham Lincoln because he once roomed with a
man and they shared a bed). Such revision of history will likely lead
to others, besides Honest Abe, being erroneously identified as
homosexual based on some flimsy footnote in their history. For most
historical figures, the issue of their sexual orientation isn't
relevant, but for those promoting this agenda, it is just a way of
disguising the truth about homosexuality and the myriad psychological
and health problems associated with it, not to mention its deleterious
affects on the culture.
Once again, what we are talking about here is special rights and
protected classes. We are asked not merely to tolerate, but to treat as
equal and desirable behaviors which are quite unnatural and, in point
of fact, if you scratch beneath the surface, behaviors most folks would
find raunchy. But it's discrimination, they say. Well, no, it isn't
discrimination unless you are not being given access to the same
privileges under the same laws as everyone else. Rabbi Aryeh Spero
intelligently pointed out the difference in his article "Opposition to
Gay Marriage is Not Discrimination." Discrimination, he shows, means
"that because of prejudice we do not allow a person of a particular
race, religion or sexual orientation to participate in our existing
institutions or enjoy the same activities others do." There is no
comparison between not allowing gay marriage and not allowing blacks to
vote, for example, because marriage is validly defined in law as a
union between a man and a woman, and no one is preventing them from
participating in such a union, whereas our voting laws require that all
adult citizens in good standing be permitted to vote in elections, so
preventing blacks from voting because they are black would constitute
discrimination. But as the Rabbi points out, if blacks started
demanding that their children under 18 should also be allowed to vote,
well, that is prohibited by law to all, so no discrimination occurs if
underage blacks are not given the vote.
No one is preventing gays from living their lives as they choose. The
institution of marriage, as defined in law, is open to them as to
heterosexuals, and indeed for whatever reasons they have, some
homosexuals do marry opposite sex partners and raise families with
them. They are not prevented from doing so. But they may not redefine
the institution of marriage.
We have the freedom in this country to do many things that are not
"rights". Free sexual activity is not a "right". Nothing that is
destructive to the general welfare of the society is a right. However,
if homosexuality is artificially elevated to the status of a right, it
will immediately begin conflicting with authentic rights, expecially
freedom of speech and religion, as Mr. Brockie and Mr. Hauser
discovered. When you place a group into a "protected class" you tip the
scales of justice in the favor of the ones being protected, and by
consequence deny justice to those who are not. Moral, social, and legal
chaos will ensue as the process of indoctrination and legal arm
twisting begins to force the population to submit to its mandated
perversion of right reason. No conscience clause for Christians, you
can be sure. Such indoctrination is well under way here and abroad. The
European Parliament last year passed a non-binding resolution
condemning member states that do not provide for homosexual marriage in
their law as" homophobic." The underlying threat, as with abortion and
all other "progressive" aims of the EU is to use political and economic
blackmail to compel members states to fall in line with these goals.
"Economic self protection" (greed) trumps the "conscience of the
people". Pope John Paul II famously coined the term "Culture of Death"
to describe the change in the moral climate that was descending on the
world, and a large part of his pontificate was devoted to combating it.
Pope Benedict has named its counterpart, the "Dictatorship of
Relativism". He clearly sees and names the evil being foisted on the
citizens of the EU member states. Will we see it too, and protect
ourselves from it?
In my column "Sexual Liberty vs. American Liberty" I discussed the
findings of J. D. Unwin's research on ancient civilizations and how
sexual regulations affected the cultural condition of 86 ancient
civilizations. You will recall that he said "In human records there is
no instance of a civilization retaining its energy after a complete new
generation has inherited a tradition which does not insist on
prenuptial and postnuptial continence" and he found that once that had
occurred, the civilization would collapse within three generations. If
gay marriage were legalized, it would artificially impose that
condition and accelerate the cultural collapse he described. There is
one aspect of cultural condition Unwin reported that I did not relate
before that I think bears mentioning here. In those cases where sexual
regulations were strictly enforced, oppression of women frequently also
occurred. This is the primary argument of feminists for promoting the
destruction of the institution of marriage. This, as Unwin pointed out,
does not necessarily have to be the case. Women can take responsibility
for their own future and turn us back toward a more sane course before
it's too late. It is, however, inevitable that if we permit our culture
to become completely degraded, eventually, like a rubber band that's
stretched to the limit, it will snap back with a vengeance. It is
logical to assume the same would happen where homosexuality is
concerned. There's nothing happening here that hasn't happened many
times before. It is in the best interest of homosexuals and women both,
to take their chips and leave the table rather than continue playing,
because no matter how many chips are won, eventually all will be lost.
It is irrational to an absurd degree to try and completely dismantle
wise and long-held human institutions and traditions, to deconstruct
humanity itself. Society can not tolerate moral and social chaos. It
will not abide debauchery forever. It will not long permit its children
to be pawns in adult schemes, nor objects of adult exploitation. The
"feminine" cannot reign forever. If I may quote G. K. Chesterton once
more, "It is at the end of the path called progress that men return to
the king." In other words, when things get bad enough, people will bow
to a dictator to restore order. Our freedom is on the line June 6.
Alisa Craddock is a political columnist and activist in the culture
war, a convert to Catholicism, and describes herself as a Christian
Libertarian. In addition to Enter Stage Right, her columns have been
published on Alain's Newsletter and Out2 News. She may be contacted at
acrock43_j@yahoo.com.
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
29 May 2006 10:45:04 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> writes:
Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
Enter Stage Right ^ | 5/29/06 | Alisa Craddock
Posted on 05/29/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by AlaninSA
A vote on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in the United
States as a union between one man and one woman is expected on June 6.
I cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business right now
than this, having as it does such tremendous implications for the
health of our republic and the society in which we live.
You might want to read Cynthia Tucker's article. See
<http://blogfordemocracy.org/>, scroll down to her article, read the
first bit, and then click on the link that starts with "Continue
reading".
Basically, the Republicans are trying the same tactic they used in
2004. Once the election is over, they'll ignore the religious right
wing and go back to business as usual - help the rich and rape the
environment.
They may want religious people's votes, but these people are easily
manipulated and it is the super rich who have the bucks to pay for
a political campaign, and those are the people the Republicans really
want to keep happy.
If anyone needs proof that a marriage amendment must become law in
this country, we need only look at our always progressive friends
across the sea-the Dutch-to see the future that is waiting for us,
and to anticipate a hundred years hence the future that isn't.
Sure, let's look at the Dutch - they have the lowest teenage pregnancy
rate in the world. See
<http://www.fpanz.org.nz/SITE_Default/SITE_fpaid/SITE_advocacy/media_releases/4_Aug_03_media_release_Ans_Zwerver.asp>:
Dutch Green Party MP and former Senator Ans Zwerver arrives in
Wellington on Tuesday 12 August. Invited by FPA”Ēs
International Development unit, she will meet with the New
Zealand Parliamentarians”Ē Group on Population and Development
to discuss how domestic policy can successfully reduce teen
pregnancy rates, and how these policies mirror the Netherlands”Ē
commitment to international development.
Ms Zwerver will also meet with government officials and
non-governmental organisations to discuss the Netherlands”Ē
dramatic policy shifts and resulting success in lowering
teenage pregnancy, abortion and sexually transmitted infection
rates.
If only the U.S. had enough sense to emulate the Dutch! (The URL points
to an article posted in 2003, so it is only a few years old).
Don't argue with success. :-)
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
01 Jun 2006 01:48:26 PM |
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I'm think'n the same thing's going to happen with the democrats (ie big
money causing more corruption). Rupert Murdoch has already become a
supporter for Hillary. She'd been a lot better off if she'd sent him
pack'n. Personally I don't trust any of those media exec's. And
Rupert's the worst of the bunch. What's up with throwing his support to
Hillary? Don't tell me he had a conversion experience. "Ohhh-hh i've
seen the error of my ways, and i'm going to do the right thing from now
on." That doesn't even make sense
My *****! He can see the tide shifting away from the Right & he's getting
on the winning side. I swear to god--- that guy's evil. The power the
media has to control opinon, & influence legislation is awsome. *****!
It's laughable the simple-minded-fucks in this country picked-up on the
"impeach Clinton" drum beat. The problem is, is there are too many
simple-minded-fucks, & some of them vote.
Anyway, Hillary's going to be elected to what ever it is she's gonna
run for, and Rupert's going to own her. And you know he didn't stop
there. Everybody's getting a generous greasing. The Democrats will
become more corrupt than the Republicans.
Almost no democrats have stood up and actually tried to stop the
republican-steam-roller. We've got Feinstein, Pelosi, Feingold (he's
the one that tried to censur the president). Look at all the support he
got for that one. I'm not sure, but i think he got less than half of
what he needed to bring it to the floor. We need a third party. These
two choices that we have now..... I don't know what to say about them,
they're so pathetic. The only good thing about electing democrats over
republicans... well first off, they're all crooks.
But, it's just that Democrats are crooks that think a little more like
me.
No One wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> writes:
Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
Enter Stage Right ^ | 5/29/06 | Alisa Craddock
Posted on 05/29/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by AlaninSA
A vote on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in the United
States as a union between one man and one woman is expected on June 6.
I cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business right now
than this, having as it does such tremendous implications for the
health of our republic and the society in which we live.
You might want to read Cynthia Tucker's article. See
<http://blogfordemocracy.org/>, scroll down to her article, read the
first bit, and then click on the link that starts with "Continue
reading".
Basically, the Republicans are trying the same tactic they used in
2004. Once the election is over, they'll ignore the religious right
wing and go back to business as usual - help the rich and rape the
environment.
They may want religious people's votes, but these people are easily
manipulated and it is the super rich who have the bucks to pay for
a political campaign, and those are the people the Republicans really
want to keep happy.
If anyone needs proof that a marriage amendment must become law in
this country, we need only look at our always progressive friends
across the sea-the Dutch-to see the future that is waiting for us,
and to anticipate a hundred years hence the future that isn't.
Sure, let's look at the Dutch - they have the lowest teenage pregnancy
rate in the world. See
<http://www.fpanz.org.nz/SITE_Default/SITE_fpaid/SITE_advocacy/media_releases/4_Aug_03_media_release_Ans_Zwerver.asp>:
Dutch Green Party MP and former Senator Ans Zwerver arrives in
Wellington on Tuesday 12 August. Invited by FPA's
International Development unit, she will meet with the New
Zealand Parliamentarians' Group on Population and Development
to discuss how domestic policy can successfully reduce teen
pregnancy rates, and how these policies mirror the Netherlands'
commitment to international development.
Ms Zwerver will also meet with government officials and
non-governmental organisations to discuss the Netherlands'
dramatic policy shifts and resulting success in lowering
teenage pregnancy, abortion and sexually transmitted infection
rates.
If only the U.S. had enough sense to emulate the Dutch! (The URL points
to an article posted in 2003, so it is only a few years old).
Don't argue with success. :-)
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
30 May 2006 03:31:15 AM |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 03:45:04 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality No One
<noone@nospam.pacbell.net>
<m37j44qix7.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
| "Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> writes:
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| > Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
| > Enter Stage Right ^ | 5/29/06 | Alisa Craddock
| > Posted on 05/29/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by AlaninSA
| >
| >
| > A vote on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in the United
| > States as a union between one man and one woman is expected on June 6.
| > I cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business right now
| > than this, having as it does such tremendous implications for the
| > health of our republic and the society in which we live.
|
| You might want to read Cynthia Tucker's article. See
| <http://blogfordemocracy.org/>, scroll down to her article, read the
| first bit, and then click on the link that starts with "Continue
| reading".
|
| Basically, the Republicans are trying the same tactic they used in
| 2004. Once the election is over, they'll ignore the religious right
| wing and go back to business as usual - help the rich and rape the
| environment.
|
| They may want religious people's votes, but these people are easily
| manipulated and it is the super rich who have the bucks to pay for
| a political campaign, and those are the people the Republicans really
| want to keep happy.
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| > If anyone needs proof that a marriage amendment must become law in
| > this country, we need only look at our always progressive friends
| > across the sea-the Dutch-to see the future that is waiting for us,
| > and to anticipate a hundred years hence the future that isn't.
|
| Sure, let's look at the Dutch - they have the lowest teenage pregnancy
| rate in the world. See
| <http://www.fpanz.org.nz/SITE_Default/SITE_fpaid/SITE_advocacy/media_releases/4_Aug_03_media_release_Ans_Zwerver.asp>:
|
| Dutch Green Party MP and former Senator Ans Zwerver arrives in
| Wellington on Tuesday 12 August. Invited by FPA”Ēs
| International Development unit, she will meet with the New
| Zealand Parliamentarians”Ē Group on Population and Development
| to discuss how domestic policy can successfully reduce teen
| pregnancy rates, and how these policies mirror the Netherlands”Ē
| commitment to international development.
|
| Ms Zwerver will also meet with government officials and
| non-governmental organisations to discuss the Netherlands”Ē
| dramatic policy shifts and resulting success in lowering
| teenage pregnancy, abortion and sexually transmitted infection
| rates.
|
| If only the U.S. had enough sense to emulate the Dutch! (The URL points
| to an article posted in 2003, so it is only a few years old).
|
| Don't argue with success. :-)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
29 May 2006 10:58:26 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, No One in episode
<m37j44qix7.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>...
Basically, the Republicans are trying the same tactic they used in 2004.
Once the election is over, they'll ignore the religious right wing and go
back to business as usual - help the rich and rape the environment.
Nail. Head. Hit.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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storm than the federal government that promised
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
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| User: "§_MANOMAN_§" |
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
30 May 2006 11:42:30 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148954241.767563.250000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1640322/posts
Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
You sound like Dan Quayle.
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30 May 2006 02:48:21 PM |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 16:42:30 GMT, "§_MANOMAN_§" <spit@bush.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148954241.767563.250000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1640322/posts
Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
You sound like Dan Quayle.
Except that Dan Quayle is smarter.
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| User: "Bailey Legull" |
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
30 May 2006 04:59:58 PM |
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A vote on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage . . . is expected
on June 6. I cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business
right now than this. . . .
Which pretty much means anybody with a brain will stop reading right
there.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
29 May 2006 10:14:05 PM |
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On 29 May 2006 18:57:21 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> wrote:
A vote on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in the United
States as a union between one man and one woman is expected on June 6.
I cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business right now
than this, having as it does such tremendous implications for the
health of our republic and the society in which we live.
How exactly does restricting marriage protect it? Similarly, how would
permitting other forms of marriage weaken, rather than strengthen the
institution?
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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29 May 2006 11:04:24 PM |
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On 29 May 2006 18:57:21 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1640322/posts
Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
And she's damn good in the sack, too.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 May 2006 10:58:02 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, Sound of Trumpet in episode
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cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business right now than
this,
Other than the massive deficit, the unjustified war, the...
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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29 May 2006 09:49:39 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1640322/posts
Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
Enter Stage Right ^ | 5/29/06 | Alisa Craddock
Posted on 05/29/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by AlaninSA
A vote on a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in the United
States as a union between one man and one woman is expected on June 6.
I cannot think of a more urgent piece of legislative business right now
than this, having as it does such tremendous implications for the
health of our republic and the society in which we live. If anyone
needs proof that a marriage amendment must become law in this country,
we need only look at our always progressive friends across the
sea-the Dutch-to see the future that is waiting for us, and to
anticipate a hundred years hence the future that isn't. Last year the
Netherlands, which has legalized same sex marriage, had their first
polyamory union. A man married two women, bisexuals, both of them,
making this not a polygamous but a polyamorous arrangement. It is
technically true that what they signed was what is called in Holland a
"cohabitation contract" and not a marriage license at all, but who's
picking knits. "I love both Bianca and Mirjam" said Victor de Bruijn,
the "groom", "so I am marrying them both." As far as he's concerned,
he's married. How long do you think it will be before Holland is
compelled to recognize their "marriage" as well? On what legal grounds,
given that government's legalization of same-sex marriage, could the
Dutch government deny the trio legal status and recognition if they
decide to petition for it?
There is no more crucial issue in this country right now, save that of
protecting the children in the womb from murder, and protecting
children who make it out of the womb from child predators (and
left-wing ideologues-oh, but I already said child predators, didn't
I?) than protecting the institution of marriage, for the sake of those
children, both born and unborn, the preservation of family life, and
the stability of our country. The Lawrence v. Texas decision in this
country that struck down anti-sodomy laws and other pro-homosexual
decisions by renegade courts has assigned to homosexuality a legitimacy
it does not merit, and paved the way for gay unions to be recognized in
law, which would elevate it to the level of a civil right. It would
soon be followed by a hate crimes law to ensure (coerce) public
acceptance of the new status. If homosexual unions were permitted, the
crumbling vestiges of our culture would not be able to withstand it.
What grounds would the U.S. government have to bar other kinds of
unions as well? To anyone who has not been completely brainwashed by
gay propaganda, the notion of homosexuality as a variation of normal,
much less a civil right, could not be more absurd. If you legitimize
one perversion, you must legitimize all. If you extend special rights
to one, others have a "legitimate" claim on the same protections. There
are polyamorist groups waiting in the wings for the legalization of gay
marriage so that they can begin campaigning for group marriages. The
implied interchangeability of partners foreshadows an end to monogamy.
In Holland the life expectancy of a gay marriage is 1.5 years, with an
average of 8 "extramarital" encounters in that time period. Sounds like
a real wholesome environment for children, doesn't it? There are always
exceptions, of course, but they are not the norm.
The overwhelming majority of people in this country support the
definition of marriage as a union of one man to one woman. This became
crystal clear during the last election when 11 states (out of 11 with
the measure on the ballot) voted overwhelmingly for state laws
protecting marriage. This is not a selfish or bigoted stance, but a
necessary protection for an institution that has rightly been called
"the seedbed of society", from which future generations are nutured.
Once the institution of marriage is open to other non-traditional
living arrangements, it will lead to complete disintegration of
authentic, marriage between one man and one woman who marry for the
good purpose (in terms of society) of child rearing. There is simply no
substitute for parents, both father and mother, in the rearing of
children. Rabbi Daniel Lapin pointed out in his book America's Real War
that in Hebrew, there is no word for "parent". There is only a word for
"parents". There are supposed to be two, a biological mother and
father, and they are supposed to be permanent. (Ah, Jewish wisdom.
Well, consider the Source.) The bonding between children and both
parents is now known to be necessary for the emotional wellbeing and
social adjustment of children. No amount of psychological counseling
and behavioral conditioning can substitute for parental love in the
moral, social and psychological health of children. [One should
probably note, though, that since we are moving toward a socialist
nanny state, parenthood (in the eyes of Nanny) is a hindrance to the
state's socialist conditioning of your children, and so the marriage
represents competition with the state for control of their minds.
Destruction of marriage is most assuredly considered by the more
extreme ideologues of the left to be a desirable thing, making it even
more imperative to protect marriage in law.]
Homosexuals (and others, such as feminists, polygamy and polyamory
advocates, the gender identity disordered, and even pedophiles) will
stop at nothing to derail a return to traditional morality and
traditional marriage and family. The goals are not so noble as a quest
for equality or love or justice, nor about the stabilizing and economic
benefits of marriage. It may be for some, but for most, the agenda is
to legitimize all forms of sexual expression at any age. They have
already turned the standard of normalcy upside down. Take for example,
the furor last year over Jada Pinkett Smith's 'insensitive' remark
that women could "have it all-a loving man, devoted husband, loving
children, a fabulous career..." The Harvard campus BGLTSA (that's
Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, Transgender and Supporters Alliance) went
apoplectic that Pinkett Smith would refer to marriage in such exclusive
terms. Her remarks were deemed too "heteronormative" and some students
were "offended", prompting the BGLTSA and the Harvard Foundation for
Intercultural and Race Relations to begin working together to "increase
sensitivity toward issues of sexuality at Harvard". We mustn't speak of
the marital union only as a heterosexual institution, people! We offend
our gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and dolphin-loving sisters and
brothers.
Should homosexuality receive the legitimacy and sanction of law, gay
"adoption rights" will follow, and educators will be forced to begin
teaching children at the earliest possible age about "diverse" family
arrangements. "What is a family?" Anything you want it to be? I
remember when I was a little girl about five I innocently told my
mother that when I grew up I was going to marry her. She laughed and
said I couldn't marry her-girls don't marry girls and besides she was
already married to my father. That's the age they'll have to get to
them: Five (before the laws of nature and of nature's God have
imprinted themselves on their innocent little minds), so that they can
teach them that Heather has two mommies, and "that's okay, that's
normal." And just so is it happening already in Massachusetts where
homosexuality is deeply entrenched in the culture, and where gay
marriage has been thrust upon the people through judicial fiat (as
usual). But it isn't merely marriage that is undermined, you see. It's
family. The notion of "parents" as "family" and "family" as the best
environment for the rearing and wellbeing of children is seriously
under attack.
Once gay marriage has been permitted, authentic liberty will vanish as
every effort of Christians and others to live according to the laws of
God and their own moral beliefs is met with litigation. They will be
sought out for ruination by gay activists, just as is happening in
Canada now. (I'm referring to the cases of Costco employee David
Hauser, who was allegedly set up by his gay colleagues, and Scott
Brockie, the printer who ended up with a $40,000 debt for trying to
defend his freedom of religion. Both men were cited for discrimination
for refusal to offer services or facilities to gays for, in Hauser's
case, the use of the Knights of Columbus Hall for a gay marriage, and
in Brockie's case, his refusal to print literature for a gay
organization with alleged pedophilia ties. The hate crimes law we (in
the U.S.) have thus far been successful in preventing from becoming law
will be enacted and then as one lesbian put it, "we'll really go after
the bigots." Already the infamous Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has
paved the way for schools to force homosexual education on children in
California, and California's legislature has just voted for new laws
mandating the teaching of "tolerance" for homosexuality, bisexuality,
and transgenderism in California public schools, with the threat of
withholding of critical funding if schools don't comply. Textbooks will
have to be rewritten to reflect the contributions of gays, lesbians,
bisexuals and transgendered people, and presumably those perceived by
gays to be gay, (such as Abraham Lincoln because he once roomed with a
man and they shared a bed). Such revision of history will likely lead
to others, besides Honest Abe, being erroneously identified as
homosexual based on some flimsy footnote in their history. For most
historical figures, the issue of their sexual orientation isn't
relevant, but for those promoting this agenda, it is just a way of
disguising the truth about homosexuality and the myriad psychological
and health problems associated with it, not to mention its deleterious
affects on the culture.
Once again, what we are talking about here is special rights and
protected classes. We are asked not merely to tolerate, but to treat as
equal and desirable behaviors which are quite unnatural and, in point
of fact, if you scratch beneath the surface, behaviors most folks would
find raunchy. But it's discrimination, they say. Well, no, it isn't
discrimination unless you are not being given access to the same
privileges under the same laws as everyone else. Rabbi Aryeh Spero
intelligently pointed out the difference in his article "Opposition to
Gay Marriage is Not Discrimination." Discrimination, he shows, means
"that because of prejudice we do not allow a person of a particular
race, religion or sexual orientation to participate in our existing
institutions or enjoy the same activities others do." There is no
comparison between not allowing gay marriage and not allowing blacks to
vote, for example, because marriage is validly defined in law as a
union between a man and a woman, and no one is preventing them from
participating in such a union, whereas our voting laws require that all
adult citizens in good standing be permitted to vote in elections, so
preventing blacks from voting because they are black would constitute
discrimination. But as the Rabbi points out, if blacks started
demanding that their children under 18 should also be allowed to vote,
well, that is prohibited by law to all, so no discrimination occurs if
underage blacks are not given the vote.
No one is preventing gays from living their lives as they choose. The
institution of marriage, as defined in law, is open to them as to
heterosexuals, and indeed for whatever reasons they have, some
homosexuals do marry opposite sex partners and raise families with
them. They are not prevented from doing so. But they may not redefine
the institution of marriage.
We have the freedom in this country to do many things that are not
"rights". Free sexual activity is not a "right". Nothing that is
destructive to the general welfare of the society is a right. However,
if homosexuality is artificially elevated to the status of a right, it
will immediately begin conflicting with authentic rights, expecially
freedom of speech and religion, as Mr. Brockie and Mr. Hauser
discovered. When you place a group into a "protected class" you tip the
scales of justice in the favor of the ones being protected, and by
consequence deny justice to those who are not. Moral, social, and legal
chaos will ensue as the process of indoctrination and legal arm
twisting begins to force the population to submit to its mandated
perversion of right reason. No conscience clause for Christians, you
can be sure. Such indoctrination is well under way here and abroad. The
European Parliament last year passed a non-binding resolution
condemning member states that do not provide for homosexual marriage in
their law as" homophobic." The underlying threat, as with abortion and
all other "progressive" aims of the EU is to use political and economic
blackmail to compel members states to fall in line with these goals.
"Economic self protection" (greed) trumps the "conscience of the
people". Pope John Paul II famously coined the term "Culture of Death"
to describe the change in the moral climate that was descending on the
world, and a large part of his pontificate was devoted to combating it.
Pope Benedict has named its counterpart, the "Dictatorship of
Relativism". He clearly sees and names the evil being foisted on the
citizens of the EU member states. Will we see it too, and protect
ourselves from it?
In my column "Sexual Liberty vs. American Liberty" I discussed the
findings of J. D. Unwin's research on ancient civilizations and how
sexual regulations affected the cultural condition of 86 ancient
civilizations. You will recall that he said "In human records there is
no instance of a civilization retaining its energy after a complete new
generation has inherited a tradition which does not insist on
prenuptial and postnuptial continence" and he found that once that had
occurred, the civilization would collapse within three generations. If
gay marriage were legalized, it would artificially impose that
condition and accelerate the cultural collapse he described. There is
one aspect of cultural condition Unwin reported that I did not relate
before that I think bears mentioning here. In those cases where sexual
regulations were strictly enforced, oppression of women frequently also
occurred. This is the primary argument of feminists for promoting the
destruction of the institution of marriage. This, as Unwin pointed out,
does not necessarily have to be the case. Women can take responsibility
for their own future and turn us back toward a more sane course before
it's too late. It is, however, inevitable that if we permit our culture
to become completely degraded, eventually, like a rubber band that's
stretched to the limit, it will snap back with a vengeance. It is
logical to assume the same would happen where homosexuality is
concerned. There's nothing happening here that hasn't happened many
times before. It is in the best interest of homosexuals and women both,
to take their chips and leave the table rather than continue playing,
because no matter how many chips are won, eventually all will be lost.
It is irrational to an absurd degree to try and completely dismantle
wise and long-held human institutions and traditions, to deconstruct
humanity itself. Society can not tolerate moral and social chaos. It
will not abide debauchery forever. It will not long permit its children
to be pawns in adult schemes, nor objects of adult exploitation. The
"feminine" cannot reign forever. If I may quote G. K. Chesterton once
more, "It is at the end of the path called progress that men return to
the king." In other words, when things get bad enough, people will bow
to a dictator to restore order. Our freedom is on the line June 6.
Even if this does get passed, which I doubt, remember that there used
to be a constitutional amendment against alchohol too. Anything you can
change, we can change back.
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| User: "cbruce" |
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
29 May 2006 10:24:38 PM |
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The Texas Court was absolutely right in striking down the anti sodomy
law. It was a pain in the ***** (oh alright, i'm sorry. anyway...)
Everytime we were in the mood for anal sex my girl friend would feel
guilty for days.
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| User: "DCI" |
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
29 May 2006 10:28:58 PM |
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On 29 May 2006 20:24:38 -0700, "cbruce" <cbruce@inbox.com> wrote:
The Texas Court was absolutely right in striking down the anti sodomy
law. It was a pain in the ***** (oh alright, i'm sorry. anyway...)
Everytime we were in the mood for anal sex my girl friend would feel
guilty for days.
How about being sore, too?
DCI
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Heather Has Two Mommies...And Three Daddies |
29 May 2006 10:03:03 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@hoshmail.com> posting the following on 29 May 2006
18:57:21 -0700 iin alt.atheism?
Heather has two mommies...and three daddies
Actually, that's Mousie, a developmentally disabled child of a friend
of mine. Mousie is six, and still needs diapers. She has control
issues, and is incapable of planning or remebering much. The state her
parents live in doen't offer much aid to parents in this situation,
aside from constant advice to place their child in a state
institution.
Luckily for the Mouse, her parents are polyamorous. Mouse has her
Mama and Daddy, along with a huge number of Aunts and Uncles (my wife
and I among them) who consider her to be family. There's always
someone there to help when Mousie had a bad night, or her mom is just
too tired to do the washing.
I'm eagerly awaiting your condemnation of a loving extended family
that is handling the situation without asking for government handouts.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The belief in the Christian god... is an appalling nightmare. I reject
the notion that the whole universe was created by this kind of evil
creature who would create such a thing." - Anthony Flew, March 22, 2005
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