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"Wieland the Smith" |
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02 Jan 2004 10:16:58 AM |
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Hello to the group |
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd like to
introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland" because I
live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland the Smith lived
in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to a book on Merlin
(Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of the town of Siegen).
And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we have two sons, both
university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should mention
that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a time when the
Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have changed a little,
but I'm a member of the same old party.
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting that
I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high school
in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather frequently, last
time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart of the Heartland, or
at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng to
send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll pictures
available to the group.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
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Wieland the Smith, AA#2040, EAC: herder of the trolls
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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02 Jan 2004 08:40:58 PM |
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"Wieland the Smith" <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> wrote in message
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Hello
<snip>
yes, this is old Europe here.
Don't fall for that one.
The EU *is new Europe.
When did the US last add a star?
12? 15 ;)
Britain is the one that lives in the past and can't keep up.
Happy new year
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| User: "Wieland the Smith" |
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03 Jan 2004 06:33:41 AM |
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Goodness Godless wrote:
"Wieland the Smith" <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:bt45hn$35l4l$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hello
<snip>
yes, this is old Europe here.
Don't fall for that one.
The EU *is new Europe.
I was using Donald Rumsfeld's definition, he called France, Belgium, and
Germany "old Europe", and UK, Poland and Spain "new Europe".
When did the US last add a star?
12? 15 ;)
Britain is the one that lives in the past and can't keep up.
Many people in UK have a different view on that, but it's not easy to define
progress these days.
Happy new year
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Wieland the Smith, AA#2040, EAC: herder of the trolls
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03 Jan 2004 09:15:08 AM |
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And so upon Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:33:41 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
I was using Donald Rumsfeld's definition
EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you wash your hands after using it?
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Wieland the Smith" |
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03 Jan 2004 04:55:51 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
And so upon Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:33:41 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
I was using Donald Rumsfeld's definition
EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you wash your hands after using it?
No need to do that, here in Europe we turned the meening around, like the
representatives of several nations in the debate in the UN security council
just a few days before the start of the war against Iraque. They prainsed
France for the old culture and the French representative received applause
for his reply (March 10).
The phrase "Old Europe" in German translation has made it to the top of the
list of words of the year by the German linguistic society, and we use it
with a positive meaning.
Isn't this a good example of linguistic subversion?
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Wieland the Smith, AA#2040, EAC: herder of the trolls
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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03 Jan 2004 05:52:38 PM |
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And so upon Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:55:51 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
And so upon Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:33:41 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
I was using Donald Rumsfeld's definition
EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you wash your hands after using it?
No need to do that, here in Europe we turned the meening around, like the
representatives of several nations in the debate in the UN security council
just a few days before the start of the war against Iraque. They prainsed
France for the old culture and the French representative received applause
for his reply (March 10).
The phrase "Old Europe" in German translation has made it to the top of the
list of words of the year by the German linguistic society, and we use it
with a positive meaning.
Isn't this a good example of linguistic subversion?
As long as it irritates Rummy, I'm all for it. <g>
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "stoney" |
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04 Jan 2004 08:18:24 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 17:52:38 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi>,
Message ID: <pan.2004.01.03.23.52.37.476877@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in
alt.atheism;
And so upon Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:55:51 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
And so upon Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:33:41 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
I was using Donald Rumsfeld's definition
EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you wash your hands after using it?
No need to do that, here in Europe we turned the meening around, like the
representatives of several nations in the debate in the UN security council
just a few days before the start of the war against Iraque. They prainsed
France for the old culture and the French representative received applause
for his reply (March 10).
The phrase "Old Europe" in German translation has made it to the top of the
list of words of the year by the German linguistic society, and we use it
with a positive meaning.
Isn't this a good example of linguistic subversion?
As long as it irritates Rummy, I'm all for it. <g>
Gin....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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02 Jan 2004 12:24:49 PM |
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"Wieland the Smith" <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:bt45hn$35l4l$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd like
to
introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
Wellcome, but you are way too polite and organized. ;)
It is just a chaotic free-for-all here. ;)
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland" because
I
live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland the Smith lived
in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to a book on Merlin
(Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of the town of Siegen).
Cool.
And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we have two sons, both
university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should mention
that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a time when the
Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have changed a little,
but I'm a member of the same old party.
Hmm. Germany has taken some significant and painful steps
away from socialism recently, haven't they.
The rest of the EU was not happy with level of public
debt Germany was running up to support the
social programs, right?
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting
that
I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high school
in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather frequently, last
time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart of the Heartland,
or
at least close to it (southern Illinois).
That's heartland alright.
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng
to
send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll pictures
available to the group.
;) I'd like to see that. Many will probably not
be cooperative. Some are quite open and
public. Viel Spass beim Sammeln.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
--
Wieland the Smith, AA#2040, EAC: herder of the trolls
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| User: "Wieland the Smith" |
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02 Jan 2004 03:09:45 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
snip
Hmm. Germany has taken some significant and painful steps
away from socialism recently, haven't they.
The rest of the EU was not happy with level of public
debt Germany was running up to support the
social programs, right?
well, it's rather complicated. Our present federal government is a coalition
of Social Democrats and Greens (most of the leading people in our
government are not active church members, by the way). In order to fight
the high unemployment (4.5 Mio) they believe it's necessecary to lower the
cost of employment and have high government spending at the same time.
That caused the deficit, which is large compared to what was planned, but
small compared to the US budget deficit.
I don't quite believe in the need to reduce the cost of employment, that can
always be said, independent of the real situation. And there are some
interesting numbers: The German trade surplus in 2003 was more than 130
billion Euros, the highest ever, and Germany has replaced the US as the No.
One export nation of the world.
But Neo-Liberalism found many believers here in Germany, even in the SPD.
And the worst thing is, most people don't realise that it's an ideology,
they believe it's plain truth, and therefore they don't measure it against
success or failure. Thus, if a small dosis does not help, they call for the
bigger dosis instead of questioning the type of medicine.
snip
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Wieland the Smith, AA#2040, EAC: herder of the trolls
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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03 Jan 2004 11:40:28 AM |
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"Wieland the Smith" <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:bt4mml$39l74$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
snip
Hmm. Germany has taken some significant and painful steps
away from socialism recently, haven't they.
The rest of the EU was not happy with level of public
debt Germany was running up to support the
social programs, right?
well, it's rather complicated. Our present federal government is a
coalition
of Social Democrats and Greens (most of the leading people in our
government are not active church members, by the way).
(As I understand it, your Finance Amt collects money
for the church but any individual can opt out of that
with no significant negative consequence.
In this news group we also hear that the percentage
of non-believers is much higher in Europe, around
20 to 30%.)
In order to fight
the high unemployment (4.5 Mio)
Which is what percentage of the workforce?
they believe it's necessecary to lower the
cost of employment and have high government spending at the same time.
That caused the deficit, which is large compared to what was planned, but
small compared to the US budget deficit.
(Per capita?)
Yes, well, crusades are expensive. ;)
I don't quite believe in the need to reduce the cost of employment, that
can
I catch DW news once or twice a week.
I saw one small-business man saying that he
would be able to hire more workers.
always be said, independent of the real situation. And there are some
interesting numbers: The German trade surplus in 2003 was more than 130
billion Euros, the highest ever, and Germany has replaced the US as the
No.
One export nation of the world.
But Neo-Liberalism found many believers here in Germany, even in the SPD.
The Neo-Liberalism is less liberal than the
old liberalism?
And the worst thing is, most people don't realise that it's an ideology,
they believe it's plain truth, and therefore they don't measure it against
success or failure. Thus, if a small dosis does not help, they call for
the
bigger dosis instead of questioning the type of medicine.
;) Economic philosophies are as debatable as
religious beliefs. There are always multiple confounding
factors operating simultaneously.
Clinton gets credit for the dot-com boom.
Bush was getting blamed for the dot-com bust.
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| User: "Wieland the Smith" |
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03 Jan 2004 05:56:50 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
"Wieland the Smith" <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:bt4mml$39l74$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
snip
Hmm. Germany has taken some significant and painful steps
away from socialism recently, haven't they.
The rest of the EU was not happy with level of public
debt Germany was running up to support the
social programs, right?
well, it's rather complicated. Our present federal government is a
coalition
of Social Democrats and Greens (most of the leading people in our
government are not active church members, by the way).
(As I understand it, your Finance Amt collects money
for the church but any individual can opt out of that
with no significant negative consequence.
In this news group we also hear that the percentage
of non-believers is much higher in Europe, around
20 to 30%.)
True, we do not have a strict separation of Government and churches here in
Germany, church tax is beeing collected by the government, the bishops are
beeing payed by the government, and in most states we have religion classes
in school.
On the other side, only 61% of the population still are members of the
official churches, and every year it's getting better, more and more people
opt not to pay church taxes (I never payed).
In some parts of eastern Germany (Brandenburg and Berlin) the percentage of
unchurched people is so high, that it was decided not to have religeon
classes in school.
And there is another bright side: Our present government is full of
atheists, and I assume that atheists are even over-represented in the
parliarment. The reason is that of the 6 parties in our parliament 3 have
athiest traditions (SPD, FDP, PDS), 2 are Christian by definition (CDU,
CSU), and 1 doesn't care (Greens/B90).The majority is held by SPD and
Greens.
Only our president J. Rau is rather frank about his religeous belief, but he
is tolerant, and he doesn't have much power.
You see simmilar trends in other European countries, so Europeans tend to be
rather supprised to see how much fuss the religeous people make in the US
politics, and the the discussions on not teaching evolution in US schools
are always good for a laugh here in Europe.
In order to fight
the high unemployment (4.5 Mio)
Which is what percentage of the workforce?
around 8%, but the counting s done a little different in each country.
Anyway, it's very high
they believe it's necessecary to lower the
cost of employment and have high government spending at the same time.
That caused the deficit, which is large compared to what was planned, but
small compared to the US budget deficit.
(Per capita?)
The plan was less than 2% of the GNP, but it is expected to end up around
2.5%
Yes, well, crusades are expensive. ;)
I don't quite believe in the need to reduce the cost of employment, that
can
I catch DW news once or twice a week.
I saw one small-business man saying that he
would be able to hire more workers.
The effect on the labor cost will be less than 3%, I would estimate. I can't
imagine that this will have a big impact on the employment figures.
always be said, independent of the real situation. And there are some
interesting numbers: The German trade surplus in 2003 was more than 130
billion Euros, the highest ever, and Germany has replaced the US as the
No.
One export nation of the world.
But Neo-Liberalism found many believers here in Germany, even in the SPD.
The Neo-Liberalism is less liberal than the
old liberalism?
It's funny to see how different the meaning of the word "liberal" is here
compared to the US. In Germany "liberal" means pro free-market, pro privat
business ownership, and separation of government and churches.
Neo-liberalisms we typically assotiate with globilisation, deregulation,
reducing the influence of government in the field of economics and lowering
the taxes. How would you use the term neo-liberalism?
And the worst thing is, most people don't realise that it's an ideology,
they believe it's plain truth, and therefore they don't measure it
against success or failure. Thus, if a small dosis does not help, they
call for
the
bigger dosis instead of questioning the type of medicine.
;) Economic philosophies are as debatable as
religious beliefs. There are always multiple confounding
factors operating simultaneously.
Clinton gets credit for the dot-com boom.
Bush was getting blamed for the dot-com bust.
I totally agree, there are some nice parallels between religeous beliefs and
economic theories, including the fact that people say my belief is the
truth and everything else is ideology.
--
Wieland the Smith, AA#2040, EAC: herder of the trolls
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Jan 2004 04:24:30 PM |
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And so upon Fri, 02 Jan 2004 22:09:45 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
But Neo-Liberalism found many believers here in Germany, even in the SPD.
And the worst thing is, most people don't realise that it's an ideology,
they believe it's plain truth, and therefore they don't measure it against
success or failure. Thus, if a small dosis does not help, they call for the
bigger dosis instead of questioning the type of medicine.
Hm... that sounds familiar...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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02 Jan 2004 08:56:32 PM |
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And it came to pass that Wieland the Smith <renenospamschulz@gmx.net>
did write in alt.atheism,
news:bt45hn$35l4l$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de:
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd
like to introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
Willkommen, "Wieland".
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Jan 2004 04:25:46 PM |
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And so upon Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:16:58 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith speak
thusly:
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng to
send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll pictures
available to the group.
I like it, I like it!
But will Norway accept all the trolls we try to send them?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Walking on Glass" |
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02 Jan 2004 08:52:20 PM |
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And it came to pass that "Mark K. Bilbo" <noem@il.huh> did write in
alt.atheism, news:pan.2004.01.02.22.25.46.712410@il.huh:
And so upon Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:16:58 +0100 didst Wieland the Smith
speak thusly:
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway
they sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3
wonderful paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls
posting in this ng to send me their pictures of themselves, and I
will make all troll pictures available to the group.
I like it, I like it!
But will Norway accept all the trolls we try to send them?
They'd get more than they bargained for if they did.
--
Walking on Glass (remove NOSPAM to email me)
AA #2053 Zymurgist #12
"If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or
you can inoculate...Try science"
Carl Sagan - "The Demon-Haunted World"
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05 Jan 2004 12:09:06 AM |
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In article <bt45hn$35l4l$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Wieland the Smith <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> wrote:
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd like to
introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland" because I
live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland the Smith lived
in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to a book on Merlin
(Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of the town of Siegen).
And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we have two sons, both
university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
"Old Europe" is a figment of Don Rumsfeld's warped imagination.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should mention
that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a time when the
Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have changed a little,
but I'm a member of the same old party.
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting that
I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high school
in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather frequently, last
time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart of the Heartland, or
at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng to
send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll pictures
available to the group.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
You too! Welcome. Good luck in herding those trolls. I heard that they
are worse than cats.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
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| User: "stoney" |
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04 Jan 2004 07:57:37 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:16:58 +0100, Wieland the Smith
<renenospamschulz@gmx.net>, Message ID:
<bt45hn$35l4l$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de> wrote in alt.atheism;
(snip)
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting that
I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high school
in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather frequently, last
time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart of the Heartland, or
at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Welcome to the zoo, oh honourable herder.... :)
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng to
send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll pictures
available to the group.
How interesting. I browsed some troll figures online.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
I'm taking the first tottering steps with Linux and am putting together
a Linux box.
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
And you.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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02 Jan 2004 10:33:27 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:16:58 +0100, Wieland the Smith wrote:
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd like
to introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland" because
I live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland the Smith
lived in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to a book on
Merlin (Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of the town of
Siegen). And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we have two sons,
both university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should mention
that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a time when the
Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have changed a little,
but I'm a member of the same old party.
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting
that I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high
school in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather frequently,
last time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart of the
Heartland, or at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng
to send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll
pictures available to the group.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
Guten Tag! Glad to meet you. I am a Linux user myself, though I use Pan
as my newsreader. I have long felt that using Linux and being an atheist
go hand-in-hand. Many theists seem to be so because they were taught that
way, and never really consider that alternatives are available. Same with
PC OS's. Human nature is wonderfully entertaining.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| Title: Re: Hello to the group |
02 Jan 2004 12:35:45 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:33:27 +0000, MarkA wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:16:58 +0100, Wieland the Smith wrote:
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd like
to introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland" because
I live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland the Smith
lived in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to a book on
Merlin (Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of the town of
Siegen). And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we have two sons,
both university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should mention
that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a time when the
Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have changed a little,
but I'm a member of the same old party.
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting
that I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high
school in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather frequently,
last time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart of the
Heartland, or at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng
to send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll
pictures available to the group.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
Guten Tag! Glad to meet you. I am a Linux user myself, though I use Pan
as my newsreader. I have long felt that using Linux and being an atheist
go hand-in-hand. Many theists seem to be so because they were taught that
way, and never really consider that alternatives are available. Same with
PC OS's. Human nature is wonderfully entertaining.
Wow! My same thoughts. I use Linux and Windows. I use Pan in both. I
need to give Knode a try. I'm a KDE user.
Atheism <-> Linux. It's our nature to avoid blindly following things
and to seek alternatives. I use Open Source software whenever possible.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Hello to the group |
02 Jan 2004 04:26:30 PM |
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And so upon Fri, 02 Jan 2004 18:35:45 +0000 didst Brainfried speak thusly:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:33:27 +0000, MarkA wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:16:58 +0100, Wieland the Smith wrote:
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd like
to introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland" because
I live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland the Smith
lived in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to a book on
Merlin (Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of the town of
Siegen). And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we have two sons,
both university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should mention
that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a time when the
Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have changed a little,
but I'm a member of the same old party.
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting
that I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high
school in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather frequently,
last time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart of the
Heartland, or at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway they
sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3 wonderful
paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting in this ng
to send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all troll
pictures available to the group.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
Guten Tag! Glad to meet you. I am a Linux user myself, though I use Pan
as my newsreader. I have long felt that using Linux and being an atheist
go hand-in-hand. Many theists seem to be so because they were taught that
way, and never really consider that alternatives are available. Same with
PC OS's. Human nature is wonderfully entertaining.
Wow! My same thoughts. I use Linux and Windows. I use Pan in both. I
need to give Knode a try. I'm a KDE user.
Atheism <-> Linux. It's our nature to avoid blindly following things
and to seek alternatives. I use Open Source software whenever possible.
KDE?
INFIDEL!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Phylter" |
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| Title: Re: Hello to the group |
03 Jan 2004 04:03:06 AM |
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Wieland the Smith <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> astounded us with:
news:bt45hn$35l4l$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de:
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd
like to introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland"
because I live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland the
Smith lived in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to a
book on Merlin (Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of the
town of Siegen). And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we have
two sons, both university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should
mention that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a time
when the Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have changed
a little, but I'm a member of the same old party.
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting
that I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a high
school in Michigan, and I travel to the US on business rather
frequently, last time in early December I spent a few days in the Heart
of the Heartland, or at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway
they sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3
wonderful paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls posting
in this ng to send me their pictures of themselves, and I will make all
troll pictures available to the group.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
Willkommen, sitzen Sie hin und genießen Sie die Fahrt
(Hope I got that right)
--
Phylter
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.rudraigh.com/afjc/regulars.html
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Hello to the group |
02 Jan 2004 07:18:21 PM |
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Wieland the Smith <renenospamschulz@gmx.net> wrote in
news:bt45hn$35l4l$1@ID-191925.news.uni-berlin.de:
Hello
After reading for quite a while and only answering occasionally, I'd
like to introduce myself and then maybe contribute a bit more.
You can see my real name in the AA list, I chose the aka "Wieland"
because I live close to Siegen in Germany, and that's where Wieland
the Smith lived in the old times, according to one of the sagas and to
a book on Merlin (Merlin owned a ring that had ben made by Wieland of
the town of Siegen). And besides, I'm an engineer. I'm married an we
have two sons, both university students.
Born 1948, I grew up in western Germany in a family of long atheist
tradition (at least 5 generations)- yes, this is old Europe here.
As there are different atheist traditions here in Europe, I should
mention that already my great-great grandfather was socialist, at a
time when the Socialdemocratic Party was prosecuted. Well times have
changed a little, but I'm a member of the same old party.
As most of the people in this ng live in the US, it may be interesting
that I graduated in 1967 (that was a good class, was it not) from a
high school in Michigan,
Same year for me! Another youngster.
and I travel to the US on business rather
frequently, last time in early December I spent a few days in the
Heart of the Heartland, or at least close to it (southern Illinois).
Then I'd like to explain why I want to be the herder of the trolls; I
traveled to Norway several times, and I like this country. In Norway
they sell Troll figures almost everywhere, and I own 2 figures and 3
wonderful paintings of trolls. I will will ask the worst trolls
posting in this ng to send me their pictures of themselves, and I will
make all troll pictures available to the group.
For those who are interested, I'm using Linux and Knode as reader
Have a wonderful 2004 everybody!
Hello Wieland the Smith. Welcome to the party.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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