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Religions > Atheism |
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"Igtheist" |
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01 Sep 2003 06:03:50 PM |
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Help me name my new atheist dog |
I'm moving into a new house with a bigger yard. I have a wife and two
sons 11 and 14. We are planning on getting a new puppy, a Keeshond.
You can see one here plus a video.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/keeshon.cfm. They are a friendly
dog that comes from holland.
We have been trying to come up with a list of names. I thought maybe
you guys could help. My youngest son is going to be the one to pick
this dogs name since the oldest got to pick the last pets name.
However we are trying to come up with a list that is acceptable to the
entire family. Something that has the flavor of holland would be
nice but we are also a family with a sense of humor and we don't think
the dog will suffer any emotional scars if his/her name is not exactly
respectable.
My oldest son suggested "Youstupidshit" as a name but I think that
crosses the line so I am not going to entertain names such as this.
It's just too long for the dog to understand. Even though it can be
entertaining.
So here goes the current list:
Hans - Only dutch name I know. Hans Christian Anderson.
Kay - Short for Keeshound. Kees is pronounced Kayz.
Yeti - They do look like a Yeti or Sasquach.
ET - So when we don't want him to follow us we can say "ET go
home".
It - They sort of look like Cousin IT from Adams Family.
Forest - After Forest Gump. Face it dogs are dumb and I'd like to
remind him.
Dusky - Sort of matches the dogs color
Woody - I wanted to nake my oldest this name but was vetoed by my
wife.
Jasper - Same with this name.
Autumn - To appease my wife.
Muff - I managed to sneak this one past the wife and she didn't
catch on
Critter - The family favorite so far. Just imagine being able to
yell "Here critter" out the back door. I always like to keep the
neighbors on there toes.
Chewi - Reason given below.
We don't have any female names yet. Except autumn and maybe critter
so I guess the odds are we are getting a male.
Don't worry about me going public with this I won't be using any of
these names as my secret password.
To turn the dog atheist I am going to train the dog to bark at Jehovas
Witnesses. This is done by paying a stranger in a suit to come up to
the door at odd hours and harrassing the master. The dog should
sense my irritation. Wait a minute, I guess I don't need to pay
anyone.
Also I am going to provide a cross as a chew toy. I am not sure
whether I should put a bad tasting substance on it to teach him it is
bad or just let him chew the heck out of it. I think I will need a
Star of David and other symbols also.
Note: For those of you who are not to sharp on the uptake the last
part was mostly tongue in cheek.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
02 Sep 2003 12:06:26 AM |
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:12:36 +0400 in alt.atheism, Ludmila G. (Ludmila
G. <ludmila83@hotmail.ru>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Call him Cleopatra. I'm not sure if she was an atheist,
I think technically she was a Goddess, and whether a Goddess is an
atheist or not promises to be one of those never ending debates....
but tha's how
I'm calling myself when hackers fear that I'm going to steal their
identity.
Ludmila/Cleopatra.
http://members.fortunecity.com/ludmila83/
Igtheist wrote:
I'm moving into a new house with a bigger yard. I have a wife and two
sons 11 and 14. We are planning on getting a new puppy, a Keeshond.
You can see one here plus a video.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/keeshon.cfm. They are a friendly
dog that comes from holland.
We have been trying to come up with a list of names. I thought maybe
you guys could help. My youngest son is going to be the one to pick
this dogs name since the oldest got to pick the last pets name.
However we are trying to come up with a list that is acceptable to the
entire family. Something that has the flavor of holland would be
nice but we are also a family with a sense of humor and we don't think
the dog will suffer any emotional scars if his/her name is not exactly
respectable.
My oldest son suggested "Youstupidshit" as a name but I think that
crosses the line so I am not going to entertain names such as this.
It's just too long for the dog to understand. Even though it can be
entertaining.
So here goes the current list:
Hans - Only dutch name I know. Hans Christian Anderson.
Kay - Short for Keeshound. Kees is pronounced Kayz.
Yeti - They do look like a Yeti or Sasquach.
ET - So when we don't want him to follow us we can say "ET go
home".
It - They sort of look like Cousin IT from Adams Family.
Forest - After Forest Gump. Face it dogs are dumb and I'd like to
remind him.
Dusky - Sort of matches the dogs color
Woody - I wanted to nake my oldest this name but was vetoed by my
wife.
Jasper - Same with this name.
Autumn - To appease my wife.
Muff - I managed to sneak this one past the wife and she didn't
catch on
Critter - The family favorite so far. Just imagine being able to
yell "Here critter" out the back door. I always like to keep the
neighbors on there toes.
Chewi - Reason given below.
We don't have any female names yet. Except autumn and maybe critter
so I guess the odds are we are getting a male.
Don't worry about me going public with this I won't be using any of
these names as my secret password.
To turn the dog atheist I am going to train the dog to bark at Jehovas
Witnesses. This is done by paying a stranger in a suit to come up to
the door at odd hours and harrassing the master. The dog should
sense my irritation. Wait a minute, I guess I don't need to pay
anyone.
Also I am going to provide a cross as a chew toy. I am not sure
whether I should put a bad tasting substance on it to teach him it is
bad or just let him chew the heck out of it. I think I will need a
Star of David and other symbols also.
Note: For those of you who are not to sharp on the uptake the last
part was mostly tongue in cheek.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
02 Sep 2003 10:34:51 AM |
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On 02 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:o898lvolg27bis5n6m2qjmtfer4eae6cf6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:12:36 +0400 in alt.atheism, Ludmila G. (Ludmila
G. <ludmila83@hotmail.ru>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Call him Cleopatra. I'm not sure if she was an atheist,
I think technically she was a Goddess, and whether a Goddess is an
atheist or not promises to be one of those never ending debates....
Cleopatra was not a goddess. She was the consort of Julius Caesar and
later of Mark Antony (one of the Julius Ceasar's lieutenants and one of
four inheritors of parts of the Roman Empire after said Ceasar's
unfortunate and untimely demise). She was also the Queen of Egypt for
about forty years shortly before the alleged birth of Jesus Christ.
I couldn't say whether she was atheist or not, though.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
03 Sep 2003 08:31:15 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:34:51 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 02 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:o898lvolg27bis5n6m2qjmtfer4eae6cf6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:12:36 +0400 in alt.atheism, Ludmila G. (Ludmila
G. <ludmila83@hotmail.ru>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Call him Cleopatra. I'm not sure if she was an atheist,
I think technically she was a Goddess, and whether a Goddess is an
atheist or not promises to be one of those never ending debates....
Cleopatra was not a goddess.
I think you'll find that all the rulers of Egypt at that time were
generally regarded as Gods. Or Goddesses. As the case may be. Latterly
you'll find that the emperors of Rome were Gods. To deny it now is of
course easy. To deny it then would have been, erm, unwise.
She was the consort of Julius Caesar and
later of Mark Antony (one of the Julius Ceasar's lieutenants and one of
four inheritors of parts of the Roman Empire after said Ceasar's
unfortunate and untimely demise).
Yes, I have some little familiarity with the history of Rome.
She was also the Queen of Egypt for
about forty years shortly before the alleged birth of Jesus Christ.
I couldn't say whether she was atheist or not, though.
One imagines so. But then one imagines many things...
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
03 Sep 2003 09:16:17 AM |
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On 03 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:enf9lvsfj8g0gkq1nfloakf1ckat3qm5d6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:34:51 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 02 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:o898lvolg27bis5n6m2qjmtfer4eae6cf6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:12:36 +0400 in alt.atheism, Ludmila G.
(Ludmila
G. <ludmila83@hotmail.ru>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Call him Cleopatra. I'm not sure if she was an atheist,
I think technically she was a Goddess, and whether a Goddess is an
atheist or not promises to be one of those never ending debates....
Cleopatra was not a goddess.
I think you'll find that all the rulers of Egypt at that time were
generally regarded as Gods. Or Goddesses. As the case may be. Latterly
you'll find that the emperors of Rome were Gods. To deny it now is of
course easy. To deny it then would have been, erm, unwise.
All right, granted. But it's hardly fair to label her a goddess based
on that alone, since just about any ruler of those times who stayed in
power was called a God/Goddess by his/her people. Cleopatra was not in
fact a Goddess. On the other hand, neither were Zeus or Mars in fact
Gods, or Aphrodite or Artemis in fact Goddesses (since they're all
figments of the collective human imagination anyway), so perhaps it's
beside the point...
And yes, Gods and Goddesses can be atheists, in the sense that they
don't believe there's any power higher than themselves.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
03 Sep 2003 10:07:08 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:16:17 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 03 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:enf9lvsfj8g0gkq1nfloakf1ckat3qm5d6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:34:51 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 02 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:o898lvolg27bis5n6m2qjmtfer4eae6cf6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:12:36 +0400 in alt.atheism, Ludmila G.
(Ludmila
G. <ludmila83@hotmail.ru>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Call him Cleopatra. I'm not sure if she was an atheist,
I think technically she was a Goddess, and whether a Goddess is an
atheist or not promises to be one of those never ending debates....
Cleopatra was not a goddess.
I think you'll find that all the rulers of Egypt at that time were
generally regarded as Gods. Or Goddesses. As the case may be. Latterly
you'll find that the emperors of Rome were Gods. To deny it now is of
course easy. To deny it then would have been, erm, unwise.
All right, granted.
"Yah Yah Yah". I win. But I'm magnanimous in victory, you know.
But it's hardly fair to label her a goddess based
on that alone, since just about any ruler of those times who stayed in
power was called a God/Goddess by his/her people. Cleopatra was not in
fact a Goddess. On the other hand, neither were Zeus or Mars in fact
Gods, or Aphrodite or Artemis in fact Goddesses (since they're all
figments of the collective human imagination anyway), so perhaps it's
beside the point...
Oh, now you're getting technical. As an agnostic/atheist I have no
idea what a God is - from what I have heard of other peoples
definitions I think the whole idea incoherent.
And yes, Gods and Goddesses can be atheists, in the sense that they
don't believe there's any power higher than themselves.
This sounds suspiciously Christian to me, and you would be unwise to
pusure this with me on that basis. Besides, did say Augustus, or say
Tiberius or Caligula have any powers higher than themselves?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
03 Sep 2003 10:20:52 AM |
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On 03 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:mc0clvcl6esgndd0nb9n5u02fpaa5opr9f@4ax.com:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:16:17 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 03 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:enf9lvsfj8g0gkq1nfloakf1ckat3qm5d6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:34:51 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 02 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:o898lvolg27bis5n6m2qjmtfer4eae6cf6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:12:36 +0400 in alt.atheism, Ludmila G.
(Ludmila
G. <ludmila83@hotmail.ru>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Call him Cleopatra. I'm not sure if she was an atheist,
I think technically she was a Goddess, and whether a Goddess is an
atheist or not promises to be one of those never ending
debates....
Cleopatra was not a goddess.
I think you'll find that all the rulers of Egypt at that time were
generally regarded as Gods. Or Goddesses. As the case may be.
Latterly you'll find that the emperors of Rome were Gods. To deny it
now is of course easy. To deny it then would have been, erm, unwise.
All right, granted.
"Yah Yah Yah". I win. But I'm magnanimous in victory, you know.
Yah, yah, yah. But you *didn't* win, you see, because my argument was
along the lines of Cleopatra not *actually* being a Goddess in point of
fact. Zeus might be considered *actually* a God, though mythical,
because he has no existence except as a God-myth. Cleopatra, on the
other hand, was a real person, and just because her people may have
considered her a Goddess does not actually *make* her a Goddess.
So, actually, *I* win. But I'll be magnanimous as well :D
But it's hardly fair to label her a goddess based
on that alone, since just about any ruler of those times who stayed in
power was called a God/Goddess by his/her people. Cleopatra was not
in fact a Goddess. On the other hand, neither were Zeus or Mars in
fact Gods, or Aphrodite or Artemis in fact Goddesses (since they're
all figments of the collective human imagination anyway), so perhaps
it's beside the point...
Oh, now you're getting technical. As an agnostic/atheist I have no
idea what a God is - from what I have heard of other peoples
definitions I think the whole idea incoherent.
Well, certainly it's incoherent. But you can understand what these
raving maniacs mean by their schizophrenic delusions of a God-thing, in
much the same way as you can understand what one might mean by the
"Tooth Fairy", even if you recognize it to be a delusional and
incoherent invention. Can't you?
And yes, Gods and Goddesses can be atheists, in the sense that they
don't believe there's any power higher than themselves.
This sounds suspiciously Christian to me, and you would be unwise to
pusure this with me on that basis. Besides, did say Augustus, or say
Tiberius or Caligula have any powers higher than themselves?
Now how does this sound Christian? A Christian would probably *****
his/her pants at the mere thought that God might be atheist. I'm simply
saying that if one of these hypothetical God-things *did* exist, and if
the God-thing in question did not believe there was any power higher
than him/her/itself, then the God-thing might reasonably be considered
atheist in that sense of the term.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
03 Sep 2003 11:43:06 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:20:52 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 03 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:mc0clvcl6esgndd0nb9n5u02fpaa5opr9f@4ax.com:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:16:17 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 03 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:enf9lvsfj8g0gkq1nfloakf1ckat3qm5d6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:34:51 GMT in alt.atheism, Mekkala (Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On 02 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:o898lvolg27bis5n6m2qjmtfer4eae6cf6@4ax.com:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:12:36 +0400 in alt.atheism, Ludmila G.
(Ludmila
G. <ludmila83@hotmail.ru>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Call him Cleopatra. I'm not sure if she was an atheist,
I think technically she was a Goddess, and whether a Goddess is an
atheist or not promises to be one of those never ending
debates....
Cleopatra was not a goddess.
I think you'll find that all the rulers of Egypt at that time were
generally regarded as Gods. Or Goddesses. As the case may be.
Latterly you'll find that the emperors of Rome were Gods. To deny it
now is of course easy. To deny it then would have been, erm, unwise.
All right, granted.
"Yah Yah Yah". I win. But I'm magnanimous in victory, you know.
Yah, yah, yah. But you *didn't* win,
<sniff> Yes I did as I shall shortly demon-strate.
you see, because my argument was
along the lines of Cleopatra not *actually* being a Goddess in point of
fact. Zeus might be considered *actually* a God, though mythical,
because he has no existence except as a God-myth. Cleopatra, on the
other hand, was a real person, and just because her people may have
considered her a Goddess does not actually *make* her a Goddess.
So, actually, *I* win. But I'll be magnanimous as well :D
You don't win *because* you're implicitly defining what ta God must
be. To say that such and such is not a God is to say that you have
some criteria for Godhood.
And to say that is to be halfway to theism!
Gotacha!
But it's hardly fair to label her a goddess based
on that alone, since just about any ruler of those times who stayed in
power was called a God/Goddess by his/her people. Cleopatra was not
in fact a Goddess. On the other hand, neither were Zeus or Mars in
fact Gods, or Aphrodite or Artemis in fact Goddesses (since they're
all figments of the collective human imagination anyway), so perhaps
it's beside the point...
Oh, now you're getting technical. As an agnostic/atheist I have no
idea what a God is - from what I have heard of other peoples
definitions I think the whole idea incoherent.
Well, certainly it's incoherent. But you can understand what these
raving maniacs mean by their schizophrenic delusions of a God-thing, in
much the same way as you can understand what one might mean by the
"Tooth Fairy", even if you recognize it to be a delusional and
incoherent invention. Can't you?
But tooth faries have very well defined characteristics; money,
pliers, step-ladders and so forth (see:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552145424 for details). And
if you are unfamiliar with the author, read everything he's written,
now, starting with this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552138908
And yes, Gods and Goddesses can be atheists, in the sense that they
don't believe there's any power higher than themselves.
This sounds suspiciously Christian to me, and you would be unwise to
pusure this with me on that basis. Besides, did say Augustus, or say
Tiberius or Caligula have any powers higher than themselves?
Now how does this sound Christian?
Oh, it's one of the classic ploys. "Which God don't you believe in?".
The idea is that by denying God you are in some sense acknowledging
God. I think it might have the makings of a good argument, but I've
never seen it done well here.
A Christian would probably *****
his/her pants at the mere thought that God might be atheist. I'm simply
saying that if one of these hypothetical God-things *did* exist, and if
the God-thing in question did not believe there was any power higher
than him/her/itself, then the God-thing might reasonably be considered
atheist in that sense of the term.
Indeed!
Atheist #2148, eh? Of course in my day our atheism was powered by
steam. Mind you, who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be
sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh? In them days we was
glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. Cold tea. Without milk or
sugar. Or tea.
[...]
And you try and tell the young atheists of today that ..... they won't
believe you.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: Help me name my new atheist dog |
03 Sep 2003 01:06:55 PM |
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On 03 Sep 2003, Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
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Yah, yah, yah. But you *didn't* win,
<sniff> Yes I did as I shall shortly demon-strate.
you see, because my argument was
along the lines of Cleopatra not *actually* being a Goddess in point
of fact. Zeus might be considered *actually* a God, though mythical,
because he has no existence except as a God-myth. Cleopatra, on the
other hand, was a real person, and just because her people may have
considered her a Goddess does not actually *make* her a Goddess.
So, actually, *I* win. But I'll be magnanimous as well :D
You don't win *because* you're implicitly defining what ta God must
be. To say that such and such is not a God is to say that you have
some criteria for Godhood.
Aha! But didn't *you* say that Cleopatra *was*, technically, a Goddess?
In saying that, wouldn't you say that you are "implicity defining" what
a Goddess must be? And is that not then, by your own arguments, halfway
to theism?
Unless you are making the claim that *everything* is a God/Goddess, in
which case you may not be "implicitly defining" (in an exclusive sense,
that is, although such a statement would still qualify as an implicit
*inclusive* definition of a God/Goddess) what a God/Goddess must be, but
I think such a position would be quite difficult to defend. Would you
say that a turd, for example, is God?
And that brings us to the point of your original question about whether
or not a Goddess (or God) can be atheist. Certainly atheists exist,
is't not so? If everything is God/Goddess, then your question is
answered, by definition (yes, a Goddess can be atheist, if atheists
exist and everything that exists is God). But if the answer is already
self-evident, why ask the question to begin with? The fact that you
asked would seem to imply that you do *not* think everything is
God/Goddess, and thus that you are indeed "implicitly defining" what a
God/Goddess must be!
And to say that is to be halfway to theism!
Gotacha!
See above :D
But it's hardly fair to label her a goddess based
on that alone, since just about any ruler of those times who stayed
in power was called a God/Goddess by his/her people. Cleopatra was
not in fact a Goddess. On the other hand, neither were Zeus or Mars
in fact Gods, or Aphrodite or Artemis in fact Goddesses (since
they're all figments of the collective human imagination anyway), so
perhaps it's beside the point...
Oh, now you're getting technical. As an agnostic/atheist I have no
idea what a God is - from what I have heard of other peoples
definitions I think the whole idea incoherent.
Well, certainly it's incoherent. But you can understand what these
raving maniacs mean by their schizophrenic delusions of a God-thing,
in much the same way as you can understand what one might mean by the
"Tooth Fairy", even if you recognize it to be a delusional and
incoherent invention. Can't you?
But tooth faries have very well defined characteristics; money,
pliers, step-ladders and so forth (see:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552145424 for details). And
if you are unfamiliar with the author, read everything he's written,
now, starting with this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552138908
Now that's Terry Pratchett's definition (love his books, btw :D ). He
is making an "implicit definition" of a Tooth Fairy -- and isn't that
the same error you're accusing me of? Why should not *your* definition
of the Tooth Fairy be different? How could we even presume to define
the Tooth Fairy, since she is mythical and imaginary and doesn't exist
in the first place? And if we may logically define her, why could we
not logically define God?
And yes, Gods and Goddesses can be atheists, in the sense that they
don't believe there's any power higher than themselves.
This sounds suspiciously Christian to me, and you would be unwise to
pusure this with me on that basis. Besides, did say Augustus, or say
Tiberius or Caligula have any powers higher than themselves?
Now how does this sound Christian?
Oh, it's one of the classic ploys. "Which God don't you believe in?".
The idea is that by denying God you are in some sense acknowledging
God. I think it might have the makings of a good argument, but I've
never seen it done well here.
All right, then, but that wasn't the implication I was trying to make.
I'll let you slide on this one. That argument, by the way, would be a
good argument only vs. an atheist who easily falls into that kind of
trap. It can be easily defended against, though, if you avoid making
the mistake of accepting *any* version of God as valid for
consideration, and simply point out that whatever version one might
invent is invalid to begin with since it appears from thin air and
provides neither evidence for its existence, or need for its existence.
In other words, if you take the position that the very concept of God in
any form is itself flawed and irrational, then the question of whether a
specific version of God is logically possible is a moot point.
However, to take the above position, you must adopt an "implicit
definition" of what constitutes a "God". If I were to include man, for
example, in the definition of "God", I would be hard pressed to claim
that the concept of God is inherently flawed and irrational.
That is, if we accept that Cleopatra was a Goddess, then I can easily
provide quite convincing evidence that at least one Goddess (Cleopatra)
once existed.
A Christian would probably *****
his/her pants at the mere thought that God might be atheist. I'm
simply saying that if one of these hypothetical God-things *did*
exist, and if the God-thing in question did not believe there was any
power higher than him/her/itself, then the God-thing might reasonably
be considered atheist in that sense of the term.
Indeed!
Atheist #2148, eh? Of course in my day our atheism was powered by
steam. Mind you, who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be
sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh? In them days we was
glad to have the price of a cup o' tea. Cold tea. Without milk or
sugar. Or tea.
Or water. Or a cup, for that matter.
:D
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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01 Sep 2003 07:29:25 PM |
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How about Gouda? (Dutch cheese)
Sue in PA
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| User: "Ludmila G." |
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01 Sep 2003 08:23:28 PM |
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SRubin5190 wrote:
How about Gouda? (Dutch cheese)
Sue in PA
Hmmmm, no. If we talk about foods, then he has to call him ( if male )
pel'men'. If he is male then pel'menya.
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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03 Sep 2003 08:15:00 AM |
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"Ludmila G." <ludmila83@hotmail.ru> wrote in message
news:Usenet.pajpjitl@localhost...
SRubin5190 wrote:
How about Gouda? (Dutch cheese)
Sue in PA
Hmmmm, no. If we talk about foods, then he has to call him ( if male )
pel'men'. If he is male then pel'menya.
So it's sometimes made from dog meat?
--
:"Everythin's better with DoFunny on it."
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| User: "Ludmila G." |
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01 Sep 2003 08:25:16 PM |
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Ludmila G. wrote:
SRubin5190 wrote:
How about Gouda? (Dutch cheese)
Sue in PA
Hmmmm, no. If we talk about foods, then he has to call him ( if male
) pel'men'. If he is male then pel'menya.
Of course I meant to say " if he is female" , she's pel'menya
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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02 Sep 2003 12:06:45 PM |
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If you want a tongue-in-cheek name, why not Fido (Latin: "I am faithful")?
Appropriate for a dog, and a backhanded slap to the "true believers". It
will probably be too subtle, though. Perhaps Credo (Latin: "I believe")
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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02 Sep 2003 12:59:02 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:06:45 -0700 in alt.atheism, Gregory Gadow
(Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
If you want a tongue-in-cheek name, why not Fido (Latin: "I am faithful")?
Appropriate for a dog, and a backhanded slap to the "true believers". It
will probably be too subtle, though. Perhaps Credo (Latin: "I believe")
Oh, incidently, that post you wrote on the "left" and the RCC was
absolutely amazing. Nice one.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 **
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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02 Sep 2003 01:59:29 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:06:45 -0700 in alt.atheism, Gregory Gadow
(Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
If you want a tongue-in-cheek name, why not Fido (Latin: "I am faithful")?
Appropriate for a dog, and a backhanded slap to the "true believers". It
will probably be too subtle, though. Perhaps Credo (Latin: "I believe")
Oh, incidently, that post you wrote on the "left" and the RCC was
absolutely amazing. Nice one.
Thanks :-)
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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04 Sep 2003 06:55:20 PM |
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Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in message news:<3F54CE25.1E854217@serv.net>...
If you want a tongue-in-cheek name, why not Fido (Latin: "I am faithful")?
Appropriate for a dog, and a backhanded slap to the "true believers". It
will probably be too subtle, though. Perhaps Credo (Latin: "I believe")
What's the latin name for heretic or non-believer? Fido is a little
overused and everyone would assume it means "I am faithful".
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| User: "duke32" |
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05 Sep 2003 01:24:31 PM |
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On 4 Sep 2003 16:55:20 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
What's the latin name for heretic or non-believer? Fido is a little
overused and everyone would assume it means "I am faithful".
Why not - faithful to the devil is ok for an atheist and his dog.
You can change your name to "fool" and call your dog "fido".
Hey, now that sounds like a winner.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "AuntieLib" |
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02 Sep 2003 04:54:57 PM |
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Igtheist wrote:
We have been trying to come up with a list of names. I thought maybe
you guys could help.
<snip>
I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Darwin." It's simple and
straightforward. Works for either boy or girl. (Sorry Charles.) And
he was, as we all know, the "God" of this thing theists like to call
the Atheist Religion.
And if you're *really* lucky, it'll evolve into something useful -
like a cat.
elizabeth
aa#2098
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion
is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also."
Mark Twain
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
(Is it obvious I'm a cat person?)
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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02 Sep 2003 07:57:51 PM |
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(AuntieLib) wrote in message news:<cbadfc8f.0309021354.20e26c30@posting.google.com>...
Igtheist wrote:
We have been trying to come up with a list of names. I thought maybe
you guys could help.
<snip>
I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Darwin."
We already had a hamster named Darwin. You are on the right track
although I am not sure anyone would appreciate me naming a dog after
them. If I named it Allah I probably would be the target of
terrorists. I understand muslims have a thing about dogs.
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| User: "Cyberia" |
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01 Sep 2003 08:30:10 PM |
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Igtheist wrote:
We have been trying to come up with a list of names. I thought maybe
you guys could help.
How about "Myass" - as in -
"Would you please take Myass for a walk"? or
"It's time to wash Myass".
Or maybe Jesus, or Jehova, or Yahweh. That might be fun.
I can hear you scolding him (or her) Bad Jesus - bad !!
--
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SeeYa !
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Hello....... Is this thing on ?
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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02 Sep 2003 07:54:30 PM |
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"Cyberia" <cyberia@usenetserver.com> wrote in message news:<ofS4b.65426$J_1.23487@fe14.atl2.webusenet.com>...
Igtheist wrote:
We have been trying to come up with a list of names. I thought maybe
you guys could help.
How about "Myass" - as in -
"Would you please take Myass for a walk"? or
"It's time to wash Myass".
Or maybe Jesus, or Jehova, or Yahweh. That might be fun.
I can hear you scolding him (or her) Bad Jesus - bad !!
I don't think I am going to get away with calling him Jesus. He is a
dog and dog is God backwards. So perhaps Susej - pronounced Suezay.
A prefect girls name and our little secret.
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| User: "johac" |
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02 Sep 2003 12:58:35 AM |
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In article <ec75c602.0309011503.659cc363@posting.google.com>,
(Igtheist) wrote:
I'm moving into a new house with a bigger yard. I have a wife and two
sons 11 and 14. We are planning on getting a new puppy, a Keeshond.
You can see one here plus a video.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/keeshon.cfm. They are a friendly
dog that comes from holland.
Holland? How about "Grolsch"?
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "Mark Richardson" |
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01 Sep 2003 10:19:50 PM |
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On 1 Sep 2003 16:03:50 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
Hans - Only dutch name I know. Hans Christian Anderson.
Errr..
He was Danish.
There is a famous statue of "The Little Mermaid" in Copenhagen.
Mark.
--
Mark Richardson mDOTrichardsonATutasDOTeduDOTau
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle aged Atheists with a Sense of Humour)
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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02 Sep 2003 07:38:30 PM |
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Mark Richardson <mark.richardson@die.spammers.die> wrote in message news:<cv28lv4fmppcu76qoknad20664i820nc5e@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2003 16:03:50 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
Hans - Only dutch name I know. Hans Christian Anderson.
Errr..
He was Danish.
There is a famous statue of "The Little Mermaid" in Copenhagen.
Mark.
Errr.. my bad. However there is Hans Brinker isn't there? Read my
response to the other guy who got real upset over this.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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01 Sep 2003 08:01:46 PM |
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On 1 Sep 2003 16:03:50 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
I'm moving into a new house with a bigger yard. I have a wife and two
sons 11 and 14. We are planning on getting a new puppy, a Keeshond.
No, no, no!
Don't get a Keeshond. They are too high strung. I had one for a
few months years ago because my wife and kids wanted a dog. Every time
you reach down to pet its head it pisses on the carpet. It pisses on
the carpet if you scold it or love it.
It was the worst fucking dog I every owned! It got to the point of
me saying. 'get rid of this fucking dog or it'll be a road kill in two
weeks.' Not to mention it digging up every flower bed and shitting on
the porch.
And when we finally got rid of the fucking thing by lying our asses
off just to get rid of it, it died from a congenital heart problem
caused from over breeding.
Give me a mutt anytime.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Ghost Rider" |
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01 Sep 2003 09:50:33 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Steve Knight fired a few neurons and wrote
It was the worst fucking dog I every owned! It got to the point of
me saying. 'get rid of this fucking dog or it'll be a road kill in two
weeks.' Not to mention it digging up every flower bed and shitting on
the porch.
And when we finally got rid of the fucking thing by lying our asses
off just to get rid of it, it died from a congenital heart problem
caused from over breeding.
Give me a mutt anytime.
Yup. Best dog I have, Vinny, a yellow dog - sorta golden retriever mutt -
found in a cardboard box being given away in front of Target. We had to
spend our first hour together at U-Wash-Doggie getting rid of the fleas and
ticks. After that, zero maintanance, healthiest dog I've ever owned. I
spanked him ONCE with a newspaper and he learned to pee and ***** outside.
My observance is that the more you spend for a dog, the more your house
smells, the more your shoes end up chewed up in the back yard, the more you
spend at the vet for stupid little allergies and diseases common to the
breed. Heh - you get what you pay for.
--
Ghost Rider
aa # 2011
EAC Nonexistent Director of Alcohol, Tobacco and Bad Puns
"How can you just obey?"
[Greg Lake, "Infinite Space" - Emerson, Lake & Palmer]
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| User: "Brainfried Sysadmin" |
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01 Sep 2003 10:44:44 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:50:33 +0000, Ghost Rider wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Steve Knight fired a few neurons and wrote
It was the worst fucking dog I every owned! It got to the point of
me saying. 'get rid of this fucking dog or it'll be a road kill in two
weeks.' Not to mention it digging up every flower bed and shitting on
the porch.
And when we finally got rid of the fucking thing by lying our asses
off just to get rid of it, it died from a congenital heart problem
caused from over breeding.
Give me a mutt anytime.
Yup. Best dog I have, Vinny, a yellow dog - sorta golden retriever mutt -
found in a cardboard box being given away in front of Target. We had to
spend our first hour together at U-Wash-Doggie getting rid of the fleas
and ticks. After that, zero maintanance, healthiest dog I've ever owned.
I spanked him ONCE with a newspaper and he learned to pee and *****
outside.
My observance is that the more you spend for a dog, the more your house
smells, the more your shoes end up chewed up in the back yard, the more
you spend at the vet for stupid little allergies and diseases common to
the breed. Heh - you get what you pay for.
Damn right!
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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04 Sep 2003 07:00:25 PM |
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Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net> wrote in message news:<s6q7lvgv9bvefgenh6i6io2ic2g0ihu5tq@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2003 16:03:50 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
I'm moving into a new house with a bigger yard. I have a wife and two
sons 11 and 14. We are planning on getting a new puppy, a Keeshond.
No, no, no!
Don't get a Keeshond. They are too high strung. I had one for a
few months years ago because my wife and kids wanted a dog. Every time
you reach down to pet its head it pisses on the carpet. It pisses on
the carpet if you scold it or love it.
Give me a mutt anytime.
I've had purebreds before with no problems and I have know many
friends who also have had no problems. One of my neighbors has a
Keeshond and the dog is very friendly with no problems.
My neighbor down the street had a mutt that would roll over on it's
back an pee on itself if you went to pet it. I think that depends
on the dog.
Did you get your Keeshond from a breeder or a pet shop? The odds of
getting a purebred with problems is much higher if you go to a pet
shop or puppy mill.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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04 Sep 2003 08:54:35 PM |
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On 4 Sep 2003 17:00:25 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net> wrote in message news:<s6q7lvgv9bvefgenh6i6io2ic2g0ihu5tq@4ax.com>...
Give me a mutt anytime.
Did you get your Keeshond from a breeder or a pet shop? The odds of
getting a purebred with problems is much higher if you go to a pet
shop or puppy mill.
It came from a champion breeder. She wanted to raise it in a family
environment. Then when it came time she would show the dog. She was
pretty upset when she learned about the congenital heart problem.
Apparently it affected her AKC rating and entire line of Keeshonds.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "LisaKay" |
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02 Sep 2003 10:13:05 AM |
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Steve Knight <wooly@onic.net> wrote in message news:<s6q7lvgv9bvefgenh6i6io2ic2g0ihu5tq@4ax.com>...
On 1 Sep 2003 16:03:50 -0700,
(Igtheist) wrote:
I'm moving into a new house with a bigger yard. I have a wife and two
sons 11 and 14. We are planning on getting a new puppy, a Keeshond.
No, no, no!
Don't get a Keeshond. They are too high strung. I had one for a
few months years ago because my wife and kids wanted a dog. Every time
you reach down to pet its head it pisses on the carpet. It pisses on
the carpet if you scold it or love it.
It was the worst fucking dog I every owned! It got to the point of
me saying. 'get rid of this fucking dog or it'll be a road kill in two
weeks.' Not to mention it digging up every flower bed and shitting on
the porch.
And when we finally got rid of the fucking thing by lying our asses
off just to get rid of it, it died from a congenital heart problem
caused from over breeding.
Give me a mutt anytime.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
My chow/shepard mutt does the same pissing on the floor thing. She
does it on rare occasion now (she's about three years old and potty
trained), but always when you don't expect it. She also randomly
barks at old women and my pregnant sister even after she's met them.
The submissive urination thing is genetic, but not really related to
certain breeds. I do agree, however that you can avoid a lot of
congenital problems by getting a mixed breed dog.
-LisaKay
aa #2054
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