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"Help! Mom! There Are Liberals Under My Bed!" |
Religious conservatives are trying to win the hearts and minds of
youngsters, many of whom will be able to vote in 2008...
January 17, 2005
In Divided U.S., A Big Question: Who Gets the Kids?
Tale of Taxing Lemonade Stand
By JEFFREY ZASLOW
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
ORLANDO, Fla. -- As conservatives plan for the battles ahead, they're
enlisting a new generation of foot soldiers: kids....
Natalie Hair, 15, attends First Baptist Church of Orlando, a
10,000-member evangelical church. She says she feels a duty to
"witness" by telling public-school classmates the Bible forbids
homosexuality, abortion and premarital sex. She's glad her church
teaches creationism. "That helps me defend my belief that evolution is
false," she says. She's a fan of George W. Bush, who won a mock
election among young parishioners at First Baptist, with 95% of the
votes....
"The entire cultural battle is over the children," says Mathew Staver,
who heads the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, a conservative
legal-defense group that has been at the forefront of fights over gay
marriage, school prayer, and abortion.
Mr. Staver, a lawyer, is also vice chairman of the Moral Majority
Coalition, a group headed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. That group says it
is mounting "an evangelical revolution" built on the momentum of Mr.
Bush's victory. Its goals include lobbying for "pro-life, strict
constructionist" Supreme Court justices and federal judges, and working
for a Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Mr. Falwell says the coalition hopes to register 10 million new young
voters by 2008 "to make sure Hillary Clinton remains a senator" -- and
never becomes president. He sends e-mails to hundreds of thousands of
students every week, he says, using addresses collected by church youth
groups and 22 recruiters the coalition has on the road. "I'm the Pied
Piper," he says....
Some liberals say it's not easy for them to reach kids. While
conservatives have large forums, such as evangelical churches, "there
aren't ACLU buildings that have meetings every Saturday for kids," says
the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based group.
Mr. Lynn predicts many children who now endorse their elders'
conservative values will reject them when they grow up. "At age 10, you
don't know [peers] who've become pregnant, or are gay," he says. "You
haven't learned the nuances on complex issues."
Open Minds
The Liberty Counsel's Mr. Staver argues that even if children's
thinking is more simplistic, their minds are more open. He calls ages 5
to 12 the key years for guiding children in "the right direction." He
says his group discovered the line "whoever captures the kids owns the
future" in a gay-rights essay in the magazine "The Advocate." Now, he
says, conservative activists are determined to prove that true -- on
their terms.
There's even a niche market in politically abrasive children's
literature. One new book is titled "Help! Mom! There Are Liberals Under
My Bed!" It tells the fictional tale of two boys who try to run a
lemonade stand, while liberals keep showing up, taking half their money
in taxes, and forcing them to remove the photo of Jesus that hangs on
the stand.
The book is written under a pen name because the author says she fears
for her children's safety. In Fort Mill, S.C., 10-year-old Abbey
Kirrane received the book from her mom. "If you listen to liberals,"
she says, "they take away your dreams and hopes for the future." Abbey
believes the book accurately describes liberals. "They can be pushy.
They tell you what to do."
The book, which is sold in some bookstores and online, is the first in
a series by World Ahead Publishing, of Gardena, Calif. Up next: "Help!
Mom! Hollywood is in my Hamper!"....
The Republican National Committee reaches out through groups such as
"Teen Age Republicans." This week, the RNC is asking supporters to join
its "Parties for the President" program by inviting neighbors and their
kids into their homes to watch the inauguration. "There will be
hundreds of parties with thousands of people," says a spokesman.
Metropolitan Orlando, with a population of 1.8 million, is fertile
territory for politically charged cultural arguments because it has
become a center of evangelical life. The area is headquarters for
Wycliffe Bible Translators, a nonprofit group which translates the
Bible into foreign languages, Campus Crusade for Christ, and a host of
other ministries....
Connie Price, who belongs to First Baptist, says she feels "threatened
by the liberal perspective that wants me to accept homosexuality." She
tells her four children "to love our enemy" and be respectful, "but if
you know you're right, based on biblical principles, stand firm."....
As they become politically active, young people come face to face with
America's divide. Dominique Roberts, 18, says she can't forget a woman
she met while going door-to-door on behalf of the Kerry campaign. The
woman explained that she was glad Mr. Bush had gone to war because if
he hadn't, "the terrorists could come to Orlando, pull you into the
street, and chop your head off," Ms. Roberts recalls.
Sara Trollinger is among those in Orlando working to help young people
embody conservative values. She is the founder of House of Hope, a
residential facility that counsels teens in crisis using biblical
principles.
Her political ties were forged through a miracle of sorts. On May 28,
1985, an article was written about her program in the Orlando Sentinel.
That day, President Ronald Reagan happened to be in town giving a
speech. Ms. Trollinger says she prayed he would see the article. He got
on Air Force One after the speech, read the story, and wrote the
facility a personal check for $1,000.
Today, a photocopy of Mr. Reagan's check hangs in the facility's
entryway. A large painting of Jesus is surrounded by photos of Ms.
Trollinger with Mr. Reagan, George W. Bush, and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
When conservative leaders speak of faith-based initiatives, they often
laud House of Hope, which has seven affiliates.
Most of the 37 teens living in the Orlando facility have awful
histories: violence, abuse, addictions. Almost all of them say they
support Mr. Bush. They've discussed that he was a drinker who found
God, and they see themselves in that story. "God can change your
character if you let him," said Gus, 16. Ms. Trollinger describes Bill
Clinton as "a terrible role model for our young people." She had
residents pray for him when he was president.
The teens are also schooled in the nuts and bolts of politics,
including taking road trips to the state capital in Tallahassee to see
how bills are passed.
"This is the generation that will change the morality of America," Ms.
Trollinger says. "The scripture says 'a little child will lead them.' "
'Good News Club'
At Orlando's Englewood Elementary School, about 50 children meet once a
week after school for a "Good News Club," sponsored by the Warrenton,
Mo.-based Child Evangelism Fellowship. Good News Clubs have
proliferated since a 2001 Supreme Court ruling, citing the right of
free speech, allowed a club in New York to meet, after hours, in a
public school. There are about 5,000 Good News Clubs nationwide, 1,500
of which meet at public schools.
Myron Tschetter, who oversees Good News Clubs nationally, says the
clubs don't have a political affiliation. But if kids ask questions on
issues such as abortion and homosexuality, they're given answers from
the Bible, he says. "We teach the children: 'This is what's right. This
is what God says.' " The goal is that when they grow up and need to
make choices on these issues, "the scriptures will guide them."
Mr. Lynn, of American United for Separation of Church and State,
contends the clubs have "an agenda that combines political and
religious doctrine," and says they could create "future voters and
leaders" who will work for laws opposing abortion and same-gender
marriages, and allowing placement of religious symbols on public
property.
On a recent day, at the Good News Club that meets at Englewood
Elementary, children pledged allegiance to the U.S. flag and then to
the Bible.
Abner, a 10-year-old, said he enjoys the club. "I like having it in
school, that's for sure. It saves the ride to church." He's trying to
convince a friend to come to the club, too. "I keep hearing that kids
are the future of the earth," he said.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Jan 2005 02:44:30 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:35:39 -0600, "George"
<spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> said in alt.atheism:
Another ***** and fuckwit liberal.
Blow your fucking brains out, traitor-*****.
And you were wounded in military service where and when?
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"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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| User: "George" |
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24 Jan 2005 04:51:30 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:l438v0tpoq14r9khte9r6p9qc3r6c0cjpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:35:39 -0600, "George"
<spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> said in alt.atheism:
Another ***** and fuckwit liberal.
Blow your fucking brains out, traitor-*****.
And you were wounded in military service where and when?
The topic of this thread is "liberals cheer on and support terroists," not
"I'm a moron and here is the proof."
Take your ADD meds, slug.
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| User: "Otaku_faith" |
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27 Jan 2005 01:44:47 PM |
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Last time I checked it wasnt the Dems who took Saddam and Osama/The
Mujahideen under their wing and give them billions of our tax dollars.
It was Rumsfeld, Reagan, and the such.
Just because some people can see the string of events as to why these
psycho-Muslims attacked us doesnt mean a thing.
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24 Jan 2005 03:33:57 PM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 04:51:30 -0600, "George"
<spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> said in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:l438v0tpoq14r9khte9r6p9qc3r6c0cjpi@4ax.com...
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:35:39 -0600, "George"
<spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> said in alt.atheism:
Another ***** and fuckwit liberal.
Blow your fucking brains out, traitor-*****.
And you were wounded in military service where and when?
The topic of this thread is "liberals cheer on and support terroists," not
"I'm a moron and here is the proof."
You coulda fooled me.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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24 Jan 2005 01:06:06 AM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:35:39 -0600, "George"
<spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> said in alt.atheism:
Another ***** and fuckwit liberal.
Blow your fucking brains out, traitor-*****.
And you were wounded in military service where and when?
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The fat, toothless, hillbilly, elmer fudd let's others do his fighting
for him. He just runs his mouth and threatens people. Another in a long
list of usenet tough guys.
Jack
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| User: "Nick" |
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18 Jan 2005 03:56:31 PM |
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Otaku_faith wrote:
Religious conservatives are trying to win the hearts and minds of
youngsters, many of whom will be able to vote in 2008...
January 17, 2005
In Divided U.S., A Big Question: Who Gets the Kids?
Tale of Taxing Lemonade Stand
By JEFFREY ZASLOW
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
ORLANDO, Fla. -- As conservatives plan for the battles ahead,
they're
enlisting a new generation of foot soldiers: kids....
. . . .
Some liberals say it's not easy for them to reach kids.
Oh, please. Hollywood liberals have crammed most movies and most
entertainment television with liberal messages, so kids are
brainwashed
into liberalism every time they watch prime-time TV. It's not enough
to
have a liberal President as hero and conservatives as villain on The
West Wing? Don't watch West-Wing so can't comment. Source for some
info? It's not enough to make a movie about terrorism in which the
villains are changed from Tom Clancy's original depiction as
Islamists
into neo-Nazis? Which Clancy movie? It's not enough to have
Hollywood celebrities depict
promiscuity and drug abuse as cool? Or to have right-wing radio lie
about causing cancer as recently as a few years ago.
While
conservatives have large forums, such as evangelical churches,
"there
aren't ACLU buildings that have meetings every Saturday for kids,"
Sure there are. They're called: PUBLIC SCHOOLS. The teachers that
belong to the NEA are mostly doctrinaire liberal and that's the
message
that gets across to the kids. Source for NEA being "liberal". In the
days after 9-11, high schools here
in Massachusetts invited Howard Zinn, a self-described Marxist
professor,Cite to where Zinn says he's Marxist? Last time I checked
he was more of an Progressive with Anarchist tendencies. (i.e. a caring
Libertarian). to "explain" to the kids why 9-11 was really America's
fault. It is in part our fault. We not only directly trained Osama and
the Mujahideen/Taliban with billions of taxpayer dollars, our role in
the Mid-East has inspired much hatred. This is not comment on how
effective our policy is, but that is has angered some Muslims. Merely
letting children know the history of our intervention does not a
liberal school system or Marxist make.
No school here in Massachusetts dared to broach the subject of
Islamic
fundamentalist hatred of Western values.
Umm, could you please try to separate your response from the attributed text of
the person you are responding to? It would really make it easier to read your
posts if you did so.
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"Don't look now, I'm just a friendly reminder!" Homsar from the HR website
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19 Jan 2005 09:58:31 AM |
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ah. forgot to. usually I do.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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20 Jan 2005 02:50:28 AM |
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On 19 Jan 2005 07:58:31 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
ah. forgot to. usually I do.
WHAT are you talking about?
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"I can't activate two neurons simultaneously, and I vote"
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20 Jan 2005 01:02:34 PM |
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I wonder where you're viewing this from Al Klein. I forgot to seperate
my response in post before that from the text I was replying to.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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20 Jan 2005 03:19:42 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 11:02:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
I wonder where you're viewing this from Al Klein. I forgot to seperate
my response in post before that from the text I was replying to.
You also forgot to quote enough for me to know what "this" is. But if
you read my posts you'll see which group I'm reading in.
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"Creationists are the best evidence we have that there is no intelligent design."
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| User: "FreeThink" |
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17 Jan 2005 07:58:36 PM |
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MrPepper11 wrote:
Religious conservatives are trying to win the hearts and minds of
youngsters, many of whom will be able to vote in 2008...
January 17, 2005
In Divided U.S., A Big Question: Who Gets the Kids?
Tale of Taxing Lemonade Stand
By JEFFREY ZASLOW
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
ORLANDO, Fla. -- As conservatives plan for the battles ahead, they're
enlisting a new generation of foot soldiers: kids....
Natalie Hair, 15, attends First Baptist Church of Orlando, a
10,000-member evangelical church. She says she feels a duty to
"witness" by telling public-school classmates the Bible forbids
homosexuality, abortion and premarital sex. She's glad her church
teaches creationism. "That helps me defend my belief that evolution
is
false," she says. She's a fan of George W. Bush, who won a mock
election among young parishioners at First Baptist, with 95% of the
votes....
"The entire cultural battle is over the children," says Mathew
Staver,
who heads the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, a conservative
legal-defense group that has been at the forefront of fights over gay
marriage, school prayer, and abortion.
Mr. Staver, a lawyer, is also vice chairman of the Moral Majority
Coalition, a group headed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. That group says
it
is mounting "an evangelical revolution" built on the momentum of Mr.
Bush's victory. Its goals include lobbying for "pro-life, strict
constructionist" Supreme Court justices and federal judges, and
working
for a Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Mr. Falwell says the coalition hopes to register 10 million new young
voters by 2008 "to make sure Hillary Clinton remains a senator" --
and
never becomes president. He sends e-mails to hundreds of thousands of
students every week, he says, using addresses collected by church
youth
groups and 22 recruiters the coalition has on the road. "I'm the Pied
Piper," he says....
Some liberals say it's not easy for them to reach kids. While
conservatives have large forums, such as evangelical churches, "there
aren't ACLU buildings that have meetings every Saturday for kids,"
says
the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based group.
Mr. Lynn predicts many children who now endorse their elders'
conservative values will reject them when they grow up. "At age 10,
you
don't know [peers] who've become pregnant, or are gay," he says. "You
haven't learned the nuances on complex issues."
Open Minds
The Liberty Counsel's Mr. Staver argues that even if children's
thinking is more simplistic, their minds are more open. He calls ages
5
to 12 the key years for guiding children in "the right direction." He
says his group discovered the line "whoever captures the kids owns
the
future" in a gay-rights essay in the magazine "The Advocate." Now, he
says, conservative activists are determined to prove that true -- on
their terms.
There's even a niche market in politically abrasive children's
literature. One new book is titled "Help! Mom! There Are Liberals
Under
My Bed!" It tells the fictional tale of two boys who try to run a
lemonade stand, while liberals keep showing up, taking half their
money
in taxes, and forcing them to remove the photo of Jesus that hangs on
the stand.
The book is written under a pen name because the author says she
fears
for her children's safety. In Fort Mill, S.C., 10-year-old Abbey
Kirrane received the book from her mom. "If you listen to liberals,"
she says, "they take away your dreams and hopes for the future."
Abbey
believes the book accurately describes liberals. "They can be pushy.
They tell you what to do."
The book, which is sold in some bookstores and online, is the first
in
a series by World Ahead Publishing, of Gardena, Calif. Up next:
"Help!
Mom! Hollywood is in my Hamper!"....
The Republican National Committee reaches out through groups such as
"Teen Age Republicans." This week, the RNC is asking supporters to
join
its "Parties for the President" program by inviting neighbors and
their
kids into their homes to watch the inauguration. "There will be
hundreds of parties with thousands of people," says a spokesman.
Metropolitan Orlando, with a population of 1.8 million, is fertile
territory for politically charged cultural arguments because it has
become a center of evangelical life. The area is headquarters for
Wycliffe Bible Translators, a nonprofit group which translates the
Bible into foreign languages, Campus Crusade for Christ, and a host
of
other ministries....
Connie Price, who belongs to First Baptist, says she feels
"threatened
by the liberal perspective that wants me to accept homosexuality."
She
tells her four children "to love our enemy" and be respectful, "but
if
you know you're right, based on biblical principles, stand firm."....
As they become politically active, young people come face to face
with
America's divide. Dominique Roberts, 18, says she can't forget a
woman
she met while going door-to-door on behalf of the Kerry campaign. The
woman explained that she was glad Mr. Bush had gone to war because if
he hadn't, "the terrorists could come to Orlando, pull you into the
street, and chop your head off," Ms. Roberts recalls.
Sara Trollinger is among those in Orlando working to help young
people
embody conservative values. She is the founder of House of Hope, a
residential facility that counsels teens in crisis using biblical
principles.
Her political ties were forged through a miracle of sorts. On May 28,
1985, an article was written about her program in the Orlando
Sentinel.
That day, President Ronald Reagan happened to be in town giving a
speech. Ms. Trollinger says she prayed he would see the article. He
got
on Air Force One after the speech, read the story, and wrote the
facility a personal check for $1,000.
Today, a photocopy of Mr. Reagan's check hangs in the facility's
entryway. A large painting of Jesus is surrounded by photos of Ms.
Trollinger with Mr. Reagan, George W. Bush, and Florida Gov. Jeb
Bush.
When conservative leaders speak of faith-based initiatives, they
often
laud House of Hope, which has seven affiliates.
Most of the 37 teens living in the Orlando facility have awful
histories: violence, abuse, addictions. Almost all of them say they
support Mr. Bush. They've discussed that he was a drinker who found
God, and they see themselves in that story. "God can change your
character if you let him," said Gus, 16. Ms. Trollinger describes
Bill
Clinton as "a terrible role model for our young people." She had
residents pray for him when he was president.
The teens are also schooled in the nuts and bolts of politics,
including taking road trips to the state capital in Tallahassee to
see
how bills are passed.
"This is the generation that will change the morality of America,"
Ms.
Trollinger says. "The scripture says 'a little child will lead them.'
"
'Good News Club'
At Orlando's Englewood Elementary School, about 50 children meet once
a
week after school for a "Good News Club," sponsored by the Warrenton,
Mo.-based Child Evangelism Fellowship. Good News Clubs have
proliferated since a 2001 Supreme Court ruling, citing the right of
free speech, allowed a club in New York to meet, after hours, in a
public school. There are about 5,000 Good News Clubs nationwide,
1,500
of which meet at public schools.
Myron Tschetter, who oversees Good News Clubs nationally, says the
clubs don't have a political affiliation. But if kids ask questions
on
issues such as abortion and homosexuality, they're given answers from
the Bible, he says. "We teach the children: 'This is what's right.
This
is what God says.' " The goal is that when they grow up and need to
make choices on these issues, "the scriptures will guide them."
Mr. Lynn, of American United for Separation of Church and State,
contends the clubs have "an agenda that combines political and
religious doctrine," and says they could create "future voters and
leaders" who will work for laws opposing abortion and same-gender
marriages, and allowing placement of religious symbols on public
property.
On a recent day, at the Good News Club that meets at Englewood
Elementary, children pledged allegiance to the U.S. flag and then to
the Bible.
Abner, a 10-year-old, said he enjoys the club. "I like having it in
school, that's for sure. It saves the ride to church." He's trying to
convince a friend to come to the club, too. "I keep hearing that kids
are the future of the earth," he said.
I think the biggest factor that will determine how many of these kids
rebel against this indoctrination is the economy. If the economy goes
down the tubes people will cling on to their religion. Maybe that is
why Bush doesn't care about the deficit?
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17 Jan 2005 08:23:19 PM |
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On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:36 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I think the biggest factor that will determine how many of these kids
rebel against this indoctrination is the economy. If the economy goes
down the tubes people will cling on to their religion. Maybe that is
why Bush doesn't care about the deficit?
They'll look for scapegoats. The last people they'll blame are
themselves. They already blame scientists, evolutionists, liberals and
secular humanists for the ills of the country. Who do you think
they'll blame when the economy tanks?
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18 Jan 2005 02:27:00 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:23:19 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> said in alt.atheism:
Who do you think they'll blame when the economy tanks?
Who did they blame after 9/11? Yep.
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"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye
shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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20 Jan 2005 11:16:25 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:23:19 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 17 Jan 2005 17:58:36 -0800, "FreeThink" <zeno7772004@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I think the biggest factor that will determine how many of these kids
rebel against this indoctrination is the economy. If the economy goes
down the tubes people will cling on to their religion. Maybe that is
why Bush doesn't care about the deficit?
They'll look for scapegoats. The last people they'll blame are
themselves. They already blame scientists, evolutionists, liberals and
secular humanists for the ills of the country. Who do you think
they'll blame when the economy tanks?
It's already doing so.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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17 Jan 2005 06:02:20 PM |
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MrPepper11 wrote:
Religious conservatives are trying to win the hearts and minds of
youngsters, many of whom will be able to vote in 2008...
January 17, 2005
In Divided U.S., A Big Question: Who Gets the Kids?
Tale of Taxing Lemonade Stand
By JEFFREY ZASLOW
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
ORLANDO, Fla. -- As conservatives plan for the battles ahead, they're
enlisting a new generation of foot soldiers: kids....
Natalie Hair, 15, attends First Baptist Church of Orlando, a
10,000-member evangelical church. She says she feels a duty to
"witness" by telling public-school classmates the Bible forbids
homosexuality, abortion and premarital sex. She's glad her church
teaches creationism. "That helps me defend my belief that evolution is
false," she says. She's a fan of George W. Bush, who won a mock
election among young parishioners at First Baptist, with 95% of the
votes....
"The entire cultural battle is over the children," says Mathew Staver,
who heads the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, a conservative
legal-defense group that has been at the forefront of fights over gay
marriage, school prayer, and abortion.
Mr. Staver, a lawyer, is also vice chairman of the Moral Majority
Coalition, a group headed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. That group says it
is mounting "an evangelical revolution" built on the momentum of Mr.
Bush's victory. Its goals include lobbying for "pro-life, strict
constructionist" Supreme Court justices and federal judges, and working
for a Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Mr. Falwell says the coalition hopes to register 10 million new young
voters by 2008 "to make sure Hillary Clinton remains a senator" -- and
never becomes president. He sends e-mails to hundreds of thousands of
students every week, he says, using addresses collected by church youth
groups and 22 recruiters the coalition has on the road. "I'm the Pied
Piper," he says....
Some liberals say it's not easy for them to reach kids. While
conservatives have large forums, such as evangelical churches, "there
aren't ACLU buildings that have meetings every Saturday for kids," says
the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based group.
Mr. Lynn predicts many children who now endorse their elders'
conservative values will reject them when they grow up. "At age 10, you
don't know [peers] who've become pregnant, or are gay," he says. "You
haven't learned the nuances on complex issues."
Open Minds
The Liberty Counsel's Mr. Staver argues that even if children's
thinking is more simplistic, their minds are more open. He calls ages 5
to 12 the key years for guiding children in "the right direction." He
says his group discovered the line "whoever captures the kids owns the
future" in a gay-rights essay in the magazine "The Advocate." Now, he
says, conservative activists are determined to prove that true -- on
their terms.
There's even a niche market in politically abrasive children's
literature. One new book is titled "Help! Mom! There Are Liberals Under
My Bed!" It tells the fictional tale of two boys who try to run a
lemonade stand, while liberals keep showing up, taking half their money
in taxes, and forcing them to remove the photo of Jesus that hangs on
the stand.
The book is written under a pen name because the author says she fears
for her children's safety. In Fort Mill, S.C., 10-year-old Abbey
Kirrane received the book from her mom. "If you listen to liberals,"
she says, "they take away your dreams and hopes for the future." Abbey
believes the book accurately describes liberals. "They can be pushy.
They tell you what to do."
The book, which is sold in some bookstores and online, is the first in
a series by World Ahead Publishing, of Gardena, Calif. Up next: "Help!
Mom! Hollywood is in my Hamper!"....
The Republican National Committee reaches out through groups such as
"Teen Age Republicans." This week, the RNC is asking supporters to join
its "Parties for the President" program by inviting neighbors and their
kids into their homes to watch the inauguration. "There will be
hundreds of parties with thousands of people," says a spokesman.
Metropolitan Orlando, with a population of 1.8 million, is fertile
territory for politically charged cultural arguments because it has
become a center of evangelical life. The area is headquarters for
Wycliffe Bible Translators, a nonprofit group which translates the
Bible into foreign languages, Campus Crusade for Christ, and a host of
other ministries....
Connie Price, who belongs to First Baptist, says she feels "threatened
by the liberal perspective that wants me to accept homosexuality." She
tells her four children "to love our enemy" and be respectful, "but if
you know you're right, based on biblical principles, stand firm."....
As they become politically active, young people come face to face with
America's divide. Dominique Roberts, 18, says she can't forget a woman
she met while going door-to-door on behalf of the Kerry campaign. The
woman explained that she was glad Mr. Bush had gone to war because if
he hadn't, "the terrorists could come to Orlando, pull you into the
street, and chop your head off," Ms. Roberts recalls.
Sara Trollinger is among those in Orlando working to help young people
embody conservative values. She is the founder of House of Hope, a
residential facility that counsels teens in crisis using biblical
principles.
Her political ties were forged through a miracle of sorts. On May 28,
1985, an article was written about her program in the Orlando Sentinel.
That day, President Ronald Reagan happened to be in town giving a
speech. Ms. Trollinger says she prayed he would see the article. He got
on Air Force One after the speech, read the story, and wrote the
facility a personal check for $1,000.
Today, a photocopy of Mr. Reagan's check hangs in the facility's
entryway. A large painting of Jesus is surrounded by photos of Ms.
Trollinger with Mr. Reagan, George W. Bush, and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
When conservative leaders speak of faith-based initiatives, they often
laud House of Hope, which has seven affiliates.
Most of the 37 teens living in the Orlando facility have awful
histories: violence, abuse, addictions. Almost all of them say they
support Mr. Bush. They've discussed that he was a drinker who found
God, and they see themselves in that story. "God can change your
character if you let him," said Gus, 16. Ms. Trollinger describes Bill
Clinton as "a terrible role model for our young people." She had
residents pray for him when he was president.
The teens are also schooled in the nuts and bolts of politics,
including taking road trips to the state capital in Tallahassee to see
how bills are passed.
"This is the generation that will change the morality of America," Ms.
Trollinger says. "The scripture says 'a little child will lead them.' "
'Good News Club'
At Orlando's Englewood Elementary School, about 50 children meet once a
week after school for a "Good News Club," sponsored by the Warrenton,
Mo.-based Child Evangelism Fellowship. Good News Clubs have
proliferated since a 2001 Supreme Court ruling, citing the right of
free speech, allowed a club in New York to meet, after hours, in a
public school. There are about 5,000 Good News Clubs nationwide, 1,500
of which meet at public schools.
Myron Tschetter, who oversees Good News Clubs nationally, says the
clubs don't have a political affiliation. But if kids ask questions on
issues such as abortion and homosexuality, they're given answers from
the Bible, he says. "We teach the children: 'This is what's right. This
is what God says.' " The goal is that when they grow up and need to
make choices on these issues, "the scriptures will guide them."
Mr. Lynn, of American United for Separation of Church and State,
contends the clubs have "an agenda that combines political and
religious doctrine," and says they could create "future voters and
leaders" who will work for laws opposing abortion and same-gender
marriages, and allowing placement of religious symbols on public
property.
On a recent day, at the Good News Club that meets at Englewood
Elementary, children pledged allegiance to the U.S. flag and then to
the Bible.
Abner, a 10-year-old, said he enjoys the club. "I like having it in
school, that's for sure. It saves the ride to church." He's trying to
convince a friend to come to the club, too. "I keep hearing that kids
are the future of the earth," he said.
Man, it sounds like the Hitler Jugen all over again, only on a much larger
scale. Scary as hell.
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"Don't look now, I'm just a friendly reminder!" Homsar from the HR website
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On 17 Jan 2005 13:02:27 -0800, "MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Natalie Hair, 15, attends First Baptist Church of Orlando, a
10,000-member evangelical church. She says she feels a duty to
"witness" by telling public-school classmates the Bible forbids
homosexuality, abortion and premarital sex.
She feels a duty to bear false witness? Where does it tell you to do
that in her bible?
--
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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Teach them to be good little fascist theocrat brown shirts.
On 17 Jan 2005 13:02:27 -0800, "MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote:
Religious conservatives are trying to win the hearts and minds of
youngsters, many of whom will be able to vote in 2008...
January 17, 2005
In Divided U.S., A Big Question: Who Gets the Kids?
Tale of Taxing Lemonade Stand
By JEFFREY ZASLOW
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
ORLANDO, Fla. -- As conservatives plan for the battles ahead, they're
enlisting a new generation of foot soldiers: kids....
Natalie Hair, 15, attends First Baptist Church of Orlando, a
10,000-member evangelical church. She says she feels a duty to
"witness" by telling public-school classmates the Bible forbids
homosexuality, abortion and premarital sex. She's glad her church
teaches creationism. "That helps me defend my belief that evolution is
false," she says. She's a fan of George W. Bush, who won a mock
election among young parishioners at First Baptist, with 95% of the
votes....
"The entire cultural battle is over the children," says Mathew Staver,
who heads the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, a conservative
legal-defense group that has been at the forefront of fights over gay
marriage, school prayer, and abortion.
Mr. Staver, a lawyer, is also vice chairman of the Moral Majority
Coalition, a group headed by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. That group says it
is mounting "an evangelical revolution" built on the momentum of Mr.
Bush's victory. Its goals include lobbying for "pro-life, strict
constructionist" Supreme Court justices and federal judges, and working
for a Constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Mr. Falwell says the coalition hopes to register 10 million new young
voters by 2008 "to make sure Hillary Clinton remains a senator" -- and
never becomes president. He sends e-mails to hundreds of thousands of
students every week, he says, using addresses collected by church youth
groups and 22 recruiters the coalition has on the road. "I'm the Pied
Piper," he says....
Some liberals say it's not easy for them to reach kids. While
conservatives have large forums, such as evangelical churches, "there
aren't ACLU buildings that have meetings every Saturday for kids," says
the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C.-based group.
Mr. Lynn predicts many children who now endorse their elders'
conservative values will reject them when they grow up. "At age 10, you
don't know [peers] who've become pregnant, or are gay," he says. "You
haven't learned the nuances on complex issues."
Open Minds
The Liberty Counsel's Mr. Staver argues that even if children's
thinking is more simplistic, their minds are more open. He calls ages 5
to 12 the key years for guiding children in "the right direction." He
says his group discovered the line "whoever captures the kids owns the
future" in a gay-rights essay in the magazine "The Advocate." Now, he
says, conservative activists are determined to prove that true -- on
their terms.
There's even a niche market in politically abrasive children's
literature. One new book is titled "Help! Mom! There Are Liberals Under
My Bed!" It tells the fictional tale of two boys who try to run a
lemonade stand, while liberals keep showing up, taking half their money
in taxes, and forcing them to remove the photo of Jesus that hangs on
the stand.
The book is written under a pen name because the author says she fears
for her children's safety. In Fort Mill, S.C., 10-year-old Abbey
Kirrane received the book from her mom. "If you listen to liberals,"
she says, "they take away your dreams and hopes for the future." Abbey
believes the book accurately describes liberals. "They can be pushy.
They tell you what to do."
The book, which is sold in some bookstores and online, is the first in
a series by World Ahead Publishing, of Gardena, Calif. Up next: "Help!
Mom! Hollywood is in my Hamper!"....
The Republican National Committee reaches out through groups such as
"Teen Age Republicans." This week, the RNC is asking supporters to join
its "Parties for the President" program by inviting neighbors and their
kids into their homes to watch the inauguration. "There will be
hundreds of parties with thousands of people," says a spokesman.
Metropolitan Orlando, with a population of 1.8 million, is fertile
territory for politically charged cultural arguments because it has
become a center of evangelical life. The area is headquarters for
Wycliffe Bible Translators, a nonprofit group which translates the
Bible into foreign languages, Campus Crusade for Christ, and a host of
other ministries....
Connie Price, who belongs to First Baptist, says she feels "threatened
by the liberal perspective that wants me to accept homosexuality." She
tells her four children "to love our enemy" and be respectful, "but if
you know you're right, based on biblical principles, stand firm."....
As they become politically active, young people come face to face with
America's divide. Dominique Roberts, 18, says she can't forget a woman
she met while going door-to-door on behalf of the Kerry campaign. The
woman explained that she was glad Mr. Bush had gone to war because if
he hadn't, "the terrorists could come to Orlando, pull you into the
street, and chop your head off," Ms. Roberts recalls.
Sara Trollinger is among those in Orlando working to help young people
embody conservative values. She is the founder of House of Hope, a
residential facility that counsels teens in crisis using biblical
principles.
Her political ties were forged through a miracle of sorts. On May 28,
1985, an article was written about her program in the Orlando Sentinel.
That day, President Ronald Reagan happened to be in town giving a
speech. Ms. Trollinger says she prayed he would see the article. He got
on Air Force One after the speech, read the story, and wrote the
facility a personal check for $1,000.
Today, a photocopy of Mr. Reagan's check hangs in the facility's
entryway. A large painting of Jesus is surrounded by photos of Ms.
Trollinger with Mr. Reagan, George W. Bush, and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.
When conservative leaders speak of faith-based initiatives, they often
laud House of Hope, which has seven affiliates.
Most of the 37 teens living in the Orlando facility have awful
histories: violence, abuse, addictions. Almost all of them say they
support Mr. Bush. They've discussed that he was a drinker who found
God, and they see themselves in that story. "God can change your
character if you let him," said Gus, 16. Ms. Trollinger describes Bill
Clinton as "a terrible role model for our young people." She had
residents pray for him when he was president.
The teens are also schooled in the nuts and bolts of politics,
including taking road trips to the state capital in Tallahassee to see
how bills are passed.
"This is the generation that will change the morality of America," Ms.
Trollinger says. "The scripture says 'a little child will lead them.' "
'Good News Club'
At Orlando's Englewood Elementary School, about 50 children meet once a
week after school for a "Good News Club," sponsored by the Warrenton,
Mo.-based Child Evangelism Fellowship. Good News Clubs have
proliferated since a 2001 Supreme Court ruling, citing the right of
free speech, allowed a club in New York to meet, after hours, in a
public school. There are about 5,000 Good News Clubs nationwide, 1,500
of which meet at public schools.
Myron Tschetter, who oversees Good News Clubs nationally, says the
clubs don't have a political affiliation. But if kids ask questions on
issues such as abortion and homosexuality, they're given answers from
the Bible, he says. "We teach the children: 'This is what's right. This
is what God says.' " The goal is that when they grow up and need to
make choices on these issues, "the scriptures will guide them."
Mr. Lynn, of American United for Separation of Church and State,
contends the clubs have "an agenda that combines political and
religious doctrine," and says they could create "future voters and
leaders" who will work for laws opposing abortion and same-gender
marriages, and allowing placement of religious symbols on public
property.
On a recent day, at the Good News Club that meets at Englewood
Elementary, children pledged allegiance to the U.S. flag and then to
the Bible.
Abner, a 10-year-old, said he enjoys the club. "I like having it in
school, that's for sure. It saves the ride to church." He's trying to
convince a friend to come to the club, too. "I keep hearing that kids
are the future of the earth," he said.
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damn, brainwashing children is the lowest of lows. as if this country wasnt
ruled by enough bible beaters already.
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