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Religions > Atheism |
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"drnobody" |
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22 Dec 2003 03:59:51 AM |
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Help needed in constructing an article |
All,
I'm constructing an article critical of Islam. I'm trying to
help young Muslim to think critically. One of the problems faced
in trying to Think Critically is cultural.
For example: If a young Muslim have the following thoughts,
what would your advice to him/her be?
I would say this to a young Muslim "Some of the difficulties in Critical
Thinking is cultural. After all, who are you to subject Allah to questions
which by asking those questions suggests that you can capable of
understanding the almighty? You can't take care of yourself and yet you
presume that you are to be able to question Islam when you haven't even
read half the koran. What if you make a mistake? Would you even know?"
The uncompleted article is as below:
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Why I hate Islam part 6.
Islam, the religion which will not submit.
If you are a Muslim, you will no doubt be asking me why I write all these
articles about Islam. Why am I saying unpleasant things about Islam. What
has Islam done to me that I felt the need to be so virulent against Islam.
The answer is simple. I live in fear of Islam. I see Islam as a force of
slavery whose goal is to enslave all of humanity against their will. I see
Islam trying to force their point of view (or their worldview) on Muslims
and non-muslims alike.
Can you imagine living in fear? Can you imagine having choices ripped away
from you? Can you imagine being unfree (not being free)? If you are a Muslim
then you probably can not. Choices have been made for you (by Islam). There
is one correct way of doing things. Food must be prepare in a Halal manner.
So what is my objective? My objective is simple. It is to put Islam under
the dictates of the secular system. In particular:
1. Religion is a personal matter.
2. Religion is not be be force upon (any) citizens.
3. Citizens are free to choose which religion to participate without fear.
3.1 Citizens are free to not participate in any religion.
4. Citizens are free to leave a religion without fear.
5. Separation of religion and state. Religious law are not be made into
state laws.
6. Religious laws do not take priority over state laws.
6.1 State laws take priority over religious laws.
For most people in Australia, the above is considered reasonable. But for
Islam it is considered a form of humiliation. Why does Islam consider it a
humiliation? Because Islam considers itself as a system constructed by god.
Whereas Islam considers the secular system to be a system constructed by
human beings. To have a divine system place under the authority of a human
system must then be considered the ultimate insult.
My answer to the above is that even if the system is constructed by god
(which I personally doubt), the running of the system is done by human
beings. Even a perfect system can be corrupted by human beings. Which in
effect a divine system is in practice no better than a human system. So if
it is in practice a human system then it might as well be under the
authority of another human system (one which is better adapted to the modern
world).
A young Muslim would ask me "Why are you saying nasty things about my
religion?". My answer would be "To ensure that you understand the
consequences of the choice you are choosing (or have chosen)." While the
answer is technically correct, a much better answer would be this : "To tell
you the unpalatable truth, so that you may think for yourself. Because the
ultimate slavery is one where other people does the thinking for you."
I would tell a young Muslim this. "You dont have to be more educated or have
more knowledge than others to be able to think critically. If you are not as
smart as others, you can still think critically but it will take you longer
to arrive at the conclusion. The greatest barrier to critical thinking is an
environment which says you must behave in a particular manner or think in a
particular way or that you are not capable of thinking in the proper way
(hence your conclusions will be in error)."
A young Muslim may say "Your talk about critical thinking is all wishy
washy. You did not tell me exactly what is critical thinking. Apart from the
inference that critical thinking is to be able to think critically."
I cannot tell you what Critical Thinking is. Not because I dont know what
Critical Thinking is but Critical Thinking cannot be explained using only
words. Here are some of the questions which you can ask if you are thinking
critically.
Types of Critical Questions
1. Questions of clarification:
Examples Could you give me an example?
Is your basic point ___or___ ?
2. Questions that probe assumptions:
Examples You seem to be assuming ___
How would you justify taking this for granted?
Is this always the case?
What if your assumption is wrong?
3. Questions that probe reasons and evidence:
Examples How could we go about finding out whether that is true?
Is there reason to doubt that evidence?
What about evidence to the contrary?
What does the critics have to say about this evidence?
4. Questions about viewpoints or perspectives:
Examples How would other groups or types of people respond? Why? What
would influence them?
How would people who disagree with this viewpoint argue their case?
5. Questions that probe implications and consequences:
Examples What effect would that have?
What if X occurs? What if Y did not exists?
If this and this are the case, then what else must also be true?
6. Questions about the question:
Examples To answer this question, what questions would we have to
answer first?
Is the question reasonable?
Are we asking the wrong question?
Is this the same issue as ?
I would say this to a young Muslim "Some of the difficulties in Critical
Thinking is cultural. After all, who are you to subject Allah to questions
which by asking those questions suggests that you can capable of
understanding the almighty? You can't take care of yourself and yet you
presume that you are to be able to question Islam when you haven't even
read half the koran. What if you make a mistake? Would you even know?"
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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| Title: Re: Help needed in constructing an article |
22 Dec 2003 08:17:49 AM |
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"drnobody" <noone@invalid.antispam.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbudg8n.1ds.noone@localhost.localdomain...
All,
I'm constructing an article critical of Islam. I'm trying to
help young Muslim to think critically. One of the problems faced
in trying to Think Critically is cultural.
For example: If a young Muslim have the following thoughts,
what would your advice to him/her be?
I would say this to a young Muslim "Some of the difficulties in Critical
Thinking is cultural. After all, who are you to subject Allah to questions
which by asking those questions suggests that you can capable of
understanding the almighty? You can't take care of yourself and yet you
presume that you are to be able to question Islam when you haven't even
read half the koran. What if you make a mistake? Would you even know?"
The uncompleted article is as below:
==========================================================
Why I hate Islam part 6.
Islam, the religion which will not submit.
If you are a Muslim, you will no doubt be asking me why I write all these
articles about Islam. Why am I saying unpleasant things about Islam. What
has Islam done to me that I felt the need to be so virulent against Islam.
The answer is simple. I live in fear of Islam. I see Islam as a force of
slavery whose goal is to enslave all of humanity against their will. I see
Islam trying to force their point of view (or their worldview) on Muslims
and non-muslims alike.
Can you imagine living in fear? Can you imagine having choices ripped away
from you? Can you imagine being unfree (not being free)? If you are a
Muslim
then you probably can not. Choices have been made for you (by Islam).
There
is one correct way of doing things. Food must be prepare in a Halal
manner.
So what is my objective? My objective is simple. It is to put Islam under
the dictates of the secular system. In particular:
1. Religion is a personal matter.
2. Religion is not be be force upon (any) citizens.
3. Citizens are free to choose which religion to participate without
fear.
3.1 Citizens are free to not participate in any religion.
4. Citizens are free to leave a religion without fear.
5. Separation of religion and state. Religious law are not be made into
state laws.
6. Religious laws do not take priority over state laws.
6.1 State laws take priority over religious laws.
For most people in Australia, the above is considered reasonable. But for
Islam it is considered a form of humiliation. Why does Islam consider it a
humiliation? Because Islam considers itself as a system constructed by
god.
Whereas Islam considers the secular system to be a system constructed by
human beings. To have a divine system place under the authority of a human
system must then be considered the ultimate insult.
I'm not in Australia, but I think on number 6.1 you have made a tactical
error. Before you try to shove another value system down peoples' throats,
i.e., the quasi-religious state legal system, you should help them finish
off their prior religious delusions first.
--
:"Everythin's better with DoFunny on it."
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