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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:37:59 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:

TV's Doctor Nope wrote:

Nice link Johnny.

Wrong!

Thanks for the opinion. Any insight as to why you think I'm "wrong"?

Sure. The whole story Johnny is telling is horseshit. If Jesus had the
power he claimed them he could have used it right then instead of
promising to come back "soon" and then buggering off for 2000 years. Why
can't Johnny's evil god leave us alone, anyway? We got along for 2000
years without his stupid *****, and we don't need or want his phony,
pseudo-self-righteous, hypocritical crap. Jesus taught fortune cookie
philosophy and was a raving nut, if he existed at all. His big mouth
eventually bought him something that his ***** ***** couldn't afford and he
was executed according to Jewish law. Get over it.

Or is
it just a knee-jerk reaction?

Theism often isn't much more than a conditioned response, so I'm not sure
why you'd be knocking that.

It's good to see someone here who believes in
something,

I believe in something, just not superstition.
It *is* funny that what a normal person would consider reality, the
fundies consider "nothing." That explains much.

Didn't say ***** about "reality", I said people who profess to believe in
nothing

Who professed that, fuckwit? That's just a typical stawman accusation.
We claim to not hold belief in god. That is not the same as beliving
"nothing".

, yet (in simpler terms) have serious knee-jerk reactions to
religion.

There is nothing inconsistent about an atheist lacking belief in god and
also being violently opposed to religion.

That's referring to the many who say they don't "believe in lack",
they simply just don't believe, yet spend so much time attacking

Lay off the crack and try to write something coherent for a change.
There is no problem with a person lacking belief in god and at the same
time being anti-religion.

Odd as it may seem to you, man is a religious animal.

Wrong. A man born on a desert island wouldn't come up with the doctrine
that Jesus was his own daddy and that he killed himself to save mankind
from the sin that he allowed to happen in the first place. It takes a
lot of years of work by theologians to come up with ***** that stupid.

It's part of how we
evolved, it's a means of survival.

Some structures in the brain seem to respond to religion. That doesn't
mean we evolved to be religious. Not everything wrought by evolution has
to have survival value. Some stuff just comes along for the ride.

It's hardwired into the brain.

No, it might be hardwired into stupid people, perhaps. But many people
with intact higher cognitive functioning don't find religion necessary.
There have been studies of various "wild children" and in fact they did
not show religious beliefs.

Man has
always had religions,

That's not what the evidence shows. Beyond maybe 50-100kya there is very
little to suggest that mankind had religion.

and likely always will until we find and turn off that
magic gene combination that's responsible for man's desire to understand

unknown by believing in things greater than himself. Or turn off the one
responsible for some people's inability to believe in the possibility of
something greater than themselves. I reckon you guys really need to step

up, the vast majority of mankind is and always has been religious. You

lot of attacking to do.

More people are abandoning religion all the time.

amidst the many who profess to believe in nothing yet
fight a jihad against religion. Whatever gives your life meaning,
makes you a better person, and causes you to treat others kindly,

fine by me.

What if this so-called "jihad against religion" makes me a better

As long as it gives your life meaning, makes you a better person, and

you to treat others kindly, it's fine by me too.

By your leave then.

As long as it doesn't make
you a theophobic

If by theophobic you mean we're afraid of god then you've got it
backwards again. Theists are the "god-fearing" ones. We don't fear
unevidenced figments of imagination. If by theophobic you mean that we
are afraid of religious people or religion in general then that's not
true either. It takes zero courage to be an xian in America, by and
large. It takes great courage and fearlessness to confront theist
windbags and all their toadying legions.

bigoted

It was a term that by some accounts was invented to describe religious
people and still applies best to them. Atheism involves no bigotry at
all. I judge the beliefs primarily, though sometimes it is unavoidable
to judge the people as well. However, I do this on the basis of
evidence.

smart ***** with a chip on your shoulder and an
obsessive desire to attack people who are (or who you perceive as)

I only attack them if they deserve it.

And I'm sure it doesn't. Some people need Darwin. Some people need God.

people need the destination. Some people need the journey. Neither

or atheism is a one-size-fits-all deal. But fundies and theophobes seem

approach it that way.

That last part presumes that the word theophobe is actually well-defined
and different from what it is to be a fundy.

I liked the reversed cloud pic too, but I didn't see a guy with a
bullet hole in his head, although I did try. It looked to me like a
dragon's head facing towards the lower left. Kinda like the one on a
PRS Dragon 2002, only reversed, if you've ever seen one of those
guitars.

Sometimes a cloud is just a cloud, but a fundie is always a kook.

A theophobe is always a kook too.

Again, it would help for you to have used a real word. But even if by
"theophobe" you mean "god hater", that doesn't necessarily make one a
kook. Fundies have to be kooks to believe in creationism and all the
idiotic miracles of the bible. OTOH, people who just don't like fundies
do not have to be the 100% polar opposite of fundies. Atheists don't
have to disbelieve every word in the bible, though biblical literalists
claim it's 100% true.

Thank Darwin that neither all religious
folks nor all atheists are kooks.

Nope, but fundies are kooks by definition and your so-called theophobes
are too ill-defined to worry about.

--
____________________________________________________
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins

In article <LwDwb.13168$sb4.4136@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
doctor_nope@hotmail.com says...

<zamboni30000@knowspamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:37:59 -0600, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's Doctor Nope wrote:

Nice link Johnny.

Wrong!

Thanks for the opinion. Any insight as to why you think I'm "wrong"?

Sure. The whole story Johnny is telling is horseshit. If Jesus had
the power he claimed them he could have used it right then instead of
promising to come back "soon" and then buggering off for 2000 years.
Why can't Johnny's evil god leave us alone, anyway? We got along for
2000
years without his stupid *****, and we don't need or want his phony,
pseudo-self-righteous, hypocritical crap. Jesus taught fortune cookie
philosophy and was a raving nut, if he existed at all. His big mouth
eventually bought him something that his ***** ***** couldn't afford
and he
was executed according to Jewish law. Get over it.

Or is
it just a knee-jerk reaction?

Theism often isn't much more than a conditioned response, so I'm not
sure
why you'd be knocking that.

It's good to see someone here who believes in
something,

I believe in something, just not superstition.
It *is* funny that what a normal person would consider reality, the
fundies consider "nothing." That explains much.

Didn't say ***** about "reality", I said people who profess to
believe in nothing

Who professed that, fuckwit? That's just a typical stawman
accusation.
We claim to not hold belief in god. That is not the same as beliving
"nothing".

, yet (in simpler terms) have serious knee-jerk reactions to
religion.

There is nothing inconsistent about an atheist lacking belief in god
and
also being violently opposed to religion.

That's referring to the many who say they don't "believe in lack",
they simply just don't believe, yet spend so much time attacking
religion.

Lay off the crack and try to write something coherent for a change.
There is no problem with a person lacking belief in god and at the
same
time being anti-religion.

Odd as it may seem to you, man is a religious animal.

Wrong. A man born on a desert island wouldn't come up with the
doctrine
that Jesus was his own daddy and that he killed himself to save
mankind
from the sin that he allowed to happen in the first place. It takes a
lot of years of work by theologians to come up with ***** that stupid.

It's part of how we
evolved, it's a means of survival.

Some structures in the brain seem to respond to religion. That doesn't
mean we evolved to be religious. Not everything wrought by evolution
has
to have survival value. Some stuff just comes along for the ride.

It's hardwired into the brain.

No, it might be hardwired into stupid people, perhaps. But many
people
with intact higher cognitive functioning don't find religion
necessary.
There have been studies of various "wild children" and in fact they
did
not show religious beliefs.

Man has
always had religions,

That's not what the evidence shows. Beyond maybe 50-100kya there is
very little to suggest that mankind had religion.

and likely always will until we find and turn off that
magic gene combination that's responsible for man's desire to
understand the unknown by believing in things greater than himself.
Or turn off the one responsible for some people's inability to
believe in the possibility of something greater than themselves. I
reckon you guys really need to step it up, the vast majority of
mankind is and always has been religious. You got a lot of attacking
to do.

More people are abandoning religion all the time.

amidst the many who profess to believe in nothing yet
fight a jihad against religion. Whatever gives your life meaning,
makes you a better person, and causes you to treat others kindly,
is fine by me.

What if this so-called "jihad against religion" makes me a better
person?

As long as it gives your life meaning, makes you a better person,
and causes you to treat others kindly, it's fine by me too.

By your leave then.

As long as it doesn't make
you a theophobic

If by theophobic you mean we're afraid of god then you've got it
backwards again. Theists are the "god-fearing" ones. We don't fear
unevidenced figments of imagination. If by theophobic you mean that
we
are afraid of religious people or religion in general then that's not
true either. It takes zero courage to be an xian in America, by and
large. It takes great courage and fearlessness to confront theist
windbags and all their toadying legions.

I liked the reversed cloud pic too, but I didn't see a guy with a
bullet hole in his head, although I did try. It looked to me like a
dragon's head facing towards the lower left. Kinda like the one on
a
PRS Dragon 2002, only reversed, if you've ever seen one of those
guitars.

Sometimes a cloud is just a cloud, but a fundie is always a kook.

A theophobe is always a kook too.

Again, it would help for you to have used a real word. But even if by
"theophobe" you mean "god hater", that doesn't necessarily make one a
kook. Fundies have to be kooks to believe in creationism and all the
idiotic miracles of the bible. OTOH, people who just don't like
fundies
do not have to be the 100% polar opposite of fundies. Atheists don't
have to disbelieve every word in the bible, though biblical
literalists
claim it's 100% true.