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"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John Kerry hates America. |
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John
Kerry hates America.
Revealed: how 'war hero' Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty
By Charles Laurence in New York
Senator John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential candidate who
is trading on his Vietnam war record to campaign against President
George W Bush, tried to defer his military service for a year,
according to a newly rediscovered article in a Harvard University
newspaper.
He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a
further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree
course at Yale University in the mid-1960s.
The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated
image as a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war -
in supposed contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas
National Guard and thus avoided being sent to Vietnam.
The Harvard Crimson newspaper followed a youthful Mr Kerry in Boston
as he campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the
course of a lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for
Congress", published on February 18, the paper reported: "When he
approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in
Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the
Navy."
Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist
attached to the Harvard School of Medicine, spent 11 hours trailing Mr
Kerry and still remembers that the subject of the Paris deferment came
up during long conversations about Vietnam.
"I stand by my story," he told The Telegraph. "It was a long time ago,
and I was 19 at the time, so it is hard to remember every detail. But
I do know this: at no point did Kerry contact either me or the Crimson
to dispute anything I had written."
Sen Kerry's campaign headquarters in Washington refused an opportunity
to deny the report. Despite repeated telephone calls from The
Telegraph, a spokesman refused to comment. Another Democrat official
said merely: "In Vietnam, John Kerry proved his patriotism beyond
question. Everyone knows that."
A senior Republican strategist, who asked not to be named, said: "I've
not heard this before. This undercuts Kerry's complaints about Bush
and it continues to pose questions as to his credibility among
ordinary Vietnam veterans."
He said it would fuel concerns over the way Sen Kerry made a name for
himself by leading anti-war protests in Washington and Boston in the
late 1960s and early 1970s after he had completed his service in the
US Navy, even while his former comrades continued to fight and die.
A newly-published biography of Sen Kerry by Douglas Brinkley, A Tour
of Duty, makes no mention of the requested deferment or planned year
in Paris. At the time, it was still unclear just how long America
would remain in Vietnam, and it might have seemed that a year's
deferral of service could render enlistment unnecessary.
According to the Democratic Party's version of Sen Kerry's military
history, he joined the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Harvard
through eagerness to do his duty, and sailed with the Navy for combat
as soon as he graduated in 1966.
Sen Kerry won a gallantry medal for his service as a gunboat captain
on the Mekong Delta, and was honorably discharged with three "purple
heart" medals after sustaining three wounds. He has consistently
presented himself as a leader who argued against the war only after
fulfilling his duty in the field. Supporters argue that his war record
makes him a more trustworthy leader than President Bush, who served
sporadically in the National Guard at home.
"This means that Kerry didn't jump into all that heroic service until
he was pushed, and it is a very nice piece of information," said
Lucianne Goldberg, a prominent Republican campaigner.
Republican strategists for President Bush were already investigating
Sen Kerry's record of three wounds sustained in Vietnam. "We find that
he had only one day off sick - with three wounds? What exactly were
these wounds?" she asked.
Mr Goldhaber recalled that, during a day spent with Sen Kerry and one
assistant during his congressional campaign, he had described his
involvement, service and decision to oppose the war in great detail.
"I am not at all surprised that he wants to be president, because he
exuded ambition from the word go," said Dr Goldhaber. "At the time,
the idea that he tried to persuade the draft board to let him spend a
year in Paris was just a detail."
A spokesman for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign declined to
comment.
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Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
Liberals HATE America!
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: "Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John Kerry hates America. |
09 Apr 2004 01:23:03 PM |
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"Ramone TD Garcia" <ramone_23_garcia@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:557056bd.0404081822.54b97054@posting.google.com...
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John
Kerry hates America.
Revealed: how 'war hero' Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty
By Charles Laurence in New York
Senator John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential candidate who
is trading on his Vietnam war record to campaign against President
George W Bush, tried to defer his military service for a year,
according to a newly rediscovered article in a Harvard University
newspaper.
He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a
further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree
course at Yale University in the mid-1960s.
The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated
image as a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war -
in supposed contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas
National Guard and thus avoided being sent to Vietnam.
Even if this was ture, it no longer matters. The fact is, he did serve and
he won three medals during his tour of duty. Your blather means nothing.
The Harvard Crimson newspaper followed a youthful Mr Kerry in Boston
as he campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the
course of a lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for
Congress", published on February 18, the paper reported: "When he
approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in
Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the
Navy."
Like I said, he served his tour of duty and won three medals. Your
blather still means nothing. It does, however, show your own
desperation.
Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist
attached to the Harvard School of Medicine, spent 11 hours trailing Mr
Kerry and still remembers that the subject of the Paris deferment came
up during long conversations about Vietnam.
"I stand by my story," he told The Telegraph. "It was a long time ago,
and I was 19 at the time, so it is hard to remember every detail. But
I do know this: at no point did Kerry contact either me or the Crimson
to dispute anything I had written."
Why woud he have had to? he served his tour of duty and won three medals.
Sen Kerry's campaign headquarters in Washington refused an opportunity
to deny the report. Despite repeated telephone calls from The
Telegraph, a spokesman refused to comment. Another Democrat official
said merely: "In Vietnam, John Kerry proved his patriotism beyond
question. Everyone knows that."
A senior Republican strategist, who asked not to be named, said: "I've
not heard this before. This undercuts Kerry's complaints about Bush
and it continues to pose questions as to his credibility among
ordinary Vietnam veterans."
No, it doesn't. Kerry served his tour of duty and won
three medals. Bush, on the other hand, got a cushy post,
thanks to his daddy's political ties, and didn't even serve
that piddly bit of service time. Instead, he went awol to
the point of desertion. Bush should have been arrested
for treason. due to desertion diring a war. Now, Bush
should be arrested for treason yet again for leading this
country (and others) into an unnecessary war that has
led to the deaths of over 600 military men and women
from this country and more from other countries and the
deaths of coutless thousands civilian Iraqui men, women
and children. And, why did Bush do this? For personal
revenge on Saddam Hussein who tried to get him killed
and the plump up the fiunancial pockets of himself and
his fat cat business buddies. If you really believe that
Bush did what he's done for the good of the USA, you
are in bad need of a reality pill.
He said it would fuel concerns over the way Sen Kerry made a name for
himself by leading anti-war protests in Washington and Boston in the
late 1960s and early 1970s after he had completed his service in the
US Navy, even while his former comrades continued to fight and die.
He wanted the war to end, so that the other soldiers & sailors
could come home before they were killed or injured. Bush,
on the other hand, doesn't care how many of our men and
women die, as long as he can play Mr. Behind the Lines Bigshot
and keep giving contracts to his business buddies.
A newly-published biography of Sen Kerry by Douglas Brinkley, A Tour
of Duty, makes no mention of the requested deferment or planned year
in Paris. At the time, it was still unclear just how long America
would remain in Vietnam, and it might have seemed that a year's
deferral of service could render enlistment unnecessary.
According to the Democratic Party's version of Sen Kerry's military
history, he joined the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Harvard
through eagerness to do his duty, and sailed with the Navy for combat
as soon as he graduated in 1966.
Sen Kerry won a gallantry medal for his service as a gunboat captain
on the Mekong Delta, and was honorably discharged with three "purple
heart" medals after sustaining three wounds. He has consistently
presented himself as a leader who argued against the war only after
fulfilling his duty in the field. Supporters argue that his war record
makes him a more trustworthy leader than President Bush, who served
sporadically in the National Guard at home.
"This means that Kerry didn't jump into all that heroic service until
he was pushed, and it is a very nice piece of information," said
Lucianne Goldberg, a prominent Republican campaigner.
It doesn't matter. Kerry did his tour of duty, while Bush was a deserter.
Republican strategists for President Bush were already investigating
Sen Kerry's record of three wounds sustained in Vietnam. "We find that
he had only one day off sick - with three wounds? What exactly were
these wounds?" she asked.
I've heard of only two injuries. Where did you come up with a third?
If you're going to manufacture lies, you'd better keep your facts straight.
If I'm wrong, someone please let me know.
Mr Goldhaber recalled that, during a day spent with Sen Kerry and one
assistant during his congressional campaign, he had described his
involvement, service and decision to oppose the war in great detail.
"I am not at all surprised that he wants to be president, because he
exuded ambition from the word go," said Dr Goldhaber. "At the time,
the idea that he tried to persuade the draft board to let him spend a
year in Paris was just a detail."
Were his eyes turning purple when he said this?
A spokesman for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign declined to
comment.
They stay as far away as possible from those who lie for them. And,
if the liars fail, they throw them to the dogs. That's always been their
method of operation.
--
Left-wing liberals are EVERYTHING they accuse the right of being. They
are mean, vicious, hateful, greedy, cold-hearted, closed-minded,
selfish, intolerant, bigoted and racist.
Liberals HATE America!
You are running scared. That makes me very happy.
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: "Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John Kerry hates America. |
09 Apr 2004 02:41:07 AM |
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"Ramone TD Garcia" <ramone_23_garcia@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:557056bd.0404081822.54b97054@posting.google.com...
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John
Kerry hates America.
Revealed: how 'war hero' Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty
By Charles Laurence in New York
Lies, lies, lies. You can tell how desperate right-wingers are when they so
blatantly lie.
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Peacenik
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| User: "Fafnir" |
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| Title: Re: "Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John K America. |
09 Apr 2004 08:06:03 AM |
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In article <557056bd.0404081822.54b97054@posting.google.com>
ramone_23_garcia@yahoo.com (Ramone TD Garcia) wrote:
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because
John
Kerry hates America.
I guess George 'WMD' Bush hates America, because he DID put off
Vietnam Military duty.
Or maybe Bush was merely a coward.
In either case, thanks for pointing out that Kerry's the better
man.
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| User: "James Young" |
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| Title: Re: "Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John K America. |
09 Apr 2004 09:45:11 AM |
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Fafnir <fritz@spamexpire-200404.rodent.frell.eu.org> wrote:
In article <557056bd.0404081822.54b97054@posting.google.com>
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because
John
Kerry hates America.
I guess George 'WMD' Bush hates America, because he DID put off
Vietnam Military duty.
Or maybe Bush was merely a coward.
In either case, thanks for pointing out that Kerry's the better
man.
How did you arrive at that conclusion? If both men tried to get out,
it shows that both were corrupt and cowardly (of course since both are
politicians those qualities are a must). Further, if Bush managed to
avoid duty and Kerry failed to, then it shows that Bush is competent
and Kerry is incompetent. Frankly, it's only the sheer incompetence of
Democrats that make them superficially look like the lesser of two
evils, while in reality, incompetence is more dangerous in a leader.
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| User: "quibbler" |
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11 Apr 2004 01:17:39 PM |
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In article <nvgd70t76jbpl58q59gpe555fth2qqo0n5@4ax.com>,
says...
Fafnir <fritz@spamexpire-200404.rodent.frell.eu.org> wrote:
In article <557056bd.0404081822.54b97054@posting.google.com>
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because
John
Kerry hates America.
I guess George 'WMD' Bush hates America, because he DID put off
Vietnam Military duty.
Or maybe Bush was merely a coward.
In either case, thanks for pointing out that Kerry's the better
man.
How did you arrive at that conclusion? If both men tried to get out,
it shows that both were corrupt and cowardly
No, it shows that you are applying simple-minded reasoning in ignorance of the
relevant details. Kerry went on to distinguish himself by serving two tours,
rescuing comrades, engaging in hand-to-hand combat and sustaining multiple
wounds. Bush went on to shirk his duty, get kicked off flight status after
receiving $1 million worth of flight training, take time off to work on multiple
political campaigns, use his airforce jet to transport drugs and eventually
bugger out of his full commitment to the guard. It was not necessarily corrupt
or cowardly to make a request for study. OTOH, had he behaved more like Bush
then he might have moved to paris before making the request, pulled strings with
high-level politicians to get his way and then failed to show up for half of
his school work. Bush made his request as a way of getting out of the remainder
of his hitch in the national guard, whereas Kerry chose to forgo school work and
fight several tours of duty first. Perhaps if you paid attention to the actual
details then you wouldn't be so quick to try to equate the actions of Kerry with
those of Bush. It's quite clear that Kerry is far more honorable than Bush and
you can only deny it through ignorance and poor reasoning.
(of course since both are
politicians those qualities are a must).
Oh spare me your world-weary apathy. If you can't see that Kerry is more honest
than Bush then you don't have a fucking brain, or you're a lying sack of *****,
or both.
Further, if Bush managed to
avoid duty and Kerry failed to, then it shows that Bush is competent
and Kerry is incompetent.
No, jackass, Bush didn't pull the strings himself. His daddy, the CIA director
and friends of the family did everything for Bush. There's no evidence that
Bush required any competence at all. Bush was still getting arrested for DWI,
cocaine possession and other offenses, even after briefly being tapped as an
anti-drug poster by the guard.
Frankly, it's only the sheer incompetence of
Democrats
*****. Clinton was far more competent than Bush could ever be and Kerry is
far more competent than Bush at most things in life. Clinton managed to create
over 20 million jobs and reduce the deficit for the first time in decades,
whereas Bush has ballooned the deficits and lost millions of jobs. Kerry has
also been far more successful in life than Bush. Kerry was a senator when Bush
was just a crackhead in training. Kerry had a career in the highest levels of
government for decades before Bush even came out of the drunk tank and ran for
governor of Texas. Kerry made more money than Bush and he did it a lot more
honestly than that criminal George W. Bush.
<your remaining superficial nonsense snipped>
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| User: "quibbler" |
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11 Apr 2004 12:59:25 PM |
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In article <557056bd.0404081822.54b97054@posting.google.com>,
ramone_23_garcia@yahoo.com says...
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because John
Kerry hates America.
Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft all put off military service too. BTW, I'll note that
the story doesn't claim to have the original documents requesting a deferment to
study in Paris, not that this would have been in any way unusual. Hint: vietnam
was a colony of ***FRANCE***. Those evil Frenchies were fighting in vietnam
even before the US had the courage to do so. The eisenhower administration
didn't have the guts to send american soldiers at first, so we primarily just
sent money and armaments. French soldiers considered it an act of cowardice for
the US to just send money and guns but not show the courage to send fighting
men.
He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a
further 12 months studying in Paris
Presuming that this can actually be proven by documents or witnesses, how is
there anything improper about this. Kerry hasn't denied it. He rightly says
that he enlisted out of college. That doesn't mean that he might not have
preferred to do graduate work, but he made sacrifices for his country, unlike
George W. Bush.
, after completing his degree
course at Yale University in the mid-1960s.
The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated
image as a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war
It doesn't undercut anything about Kerry's willing service. He did willingly
serve and that's a proven fact. Asking to study for longer in no way erases the
fact that he voluntarily chose to enlist.
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in supposed contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas
National Guard and thus avoided being sent to Vietnam.
Bush specifically stated on his application that he didn't want to serve
overseas. Bush shirked most of his duty, can't explain gaps in his record and
eventually got out early to go to graduate school, just the article is accusing
Kerry of wanting to do. The only difference is that Bush left service early to
attend Harvard and Kerry chose to forego additional school in order to fight two
tours in country. Kerry didn't have to sign up for a second tour, BTW. Bush
didn't even sign up for a first tour. Bush didn't even complete his existing
guard duties, though he ripped the taxpayers for over 1 million dollars after he
was disgracefully removed from flight status after failure to comply with direct
orders in time of war.
The Harvard Crimson newspaper followed a youthful Mr Kerry in Boston
as he campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the
course of a lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for
Congress", published on February 18, the paper reported: "When he
approached his draft board for permission to study for a year in
Paris, the draft board refused and Kerry decided to enlist in the
Navy."
Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist
attached to the Harvard School of Medicine, spent 11 hours trailing Mr
Kerry and still remembers that the subject of the Paris deferment came
up during long conversations about Vietnam.
How convenient that this is all based on a conversation. Let me guess that this
guy is now a staunch repugligoon, and/or trying to cash in on his acquaintance
with Kerry for all that it's worth.
"I stand by my story,"
That's precisely what the bush adminstration said after lyingly denying that
Clarke met with Bush and was told to find an Iraq link. Of course, their lie
was revealed when eye witnesses came forward and corroborated Clarke's account.
But repugs still insisted that they were "standing by [their] story".
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| User: "JTEM" |
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11 Apr 2004 07:11:17 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote
ramone_23_garcia@yahoo.com says...
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because
John Kerry hates America.
Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft all put off military service too.
But, John Kerry did not put off Vietnam duty.
He was stationed on a destroyer, where he spent a year.
The only way he got to Vietnam was by requesting a transfer.
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| User: "Bob" |
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11 Apr 2004 08:51:37 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:11:17 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote
ramone_23_garcia@yahoo.com says...
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because
John Kerry hates America.
Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft all put off military service too.
But, John Kerry did not put off Vietnam duty.
He was stationed on a destroyer, where he spent a year.
The only way he got to Vietnam was by requesting a transfer.
Kerry was on a U-boat in the sea, and he was there I believe 4 months
before going back state side.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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12 Apr 2004 12:08:48 PM |
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"Bob" <hideme@.com.net> wrote
Kerry was on a U-boat in the sea, and he was there
I believe 4 months before going back state side.
U-Boat? He was on a patrol boat, or "fast boat" stationed
inside of a "Free-Fire Zone."
He requested the transfer himself, after serving on a destroyer.
After three purple hearts he "won" the right to be transfered
state side.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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11 Apr 2004 09:53:45 PM |
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In article <h05k70trru3f01ugas2t5ms6svaq7475nl@4ax.com>,
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:11:17 -0400, "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote
ramone_23_garcia@yahoo.com says...
"Hero" Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty, because
John Kerry hates America.
Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft all put off military service too.
But, John Kerry did not put off Vietnam duty.
He was stationed on a destroyer, where he spent a year.
The only way he got to Vietnam was by requesting a transfer.
Kerry was on a U-boat in the sea, and he was there I believe 4 months
before going back state side.
Uhh . . . U-boats were German submarines. John Kerry never served
aboard a u-boat.
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Enkidu
AA# 2165
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we
go to church we're just making him madder and madder."
--Homer Simpson
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| User: "JTEM" |
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12 Apr 2004 12:10:50 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote
Uhh . . . U-boats were German submarines. John Kerry
never served aboard a u-boat.
As I said, he served on board a U.S. destroyer for about a year.
Then he requested a transfer to a Navy fast boat operating in
Vietnam.
He didn't "put off" Vietnam military duty. He was never assigned
military duty in Vietnam. The only way he got to Vietnam was
by requesting a transfer there.
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