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27 Feb 2007 06:56:33 PM |
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He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
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Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
"I believe it. I really believe him, that he is God," one follower said.
"First of all, he is my father, and I love him so much," another
follower said.
Miranda, 60, is Puerto Rican and his worship services have a certain
Latin flair.
Miranda delivers his message at hundreds of worship centers. Many times,
he preaches from Miami and the services are shown via Web cast to cities
all over, including some in Texas.
Miranda admits he was a former heroin addict at age 14. He was in jail
when he was 21 years old, but he said, one day angels and Christ visited
him.
"He came and disappeared in me. He integrates in me. Since then, I've
been teaching mysteries of the Bible," Miranda said.
He began his ministry out of a warehouse in Miami, but it has grown to
include DVD sales, and his own 24-hour satellite channel.
"We are so tired of the lies of Christians today," he said in his talk.
Miranda preaches there is no devil and no sin. When Jesus died on the
cross, he washed away people's sin. So, he believes, Christ and the
anti-Christ are one in the same.
"I know I'm a Christian. I'm using the same book they're using. In fact,
I will call them a cult, because they not teaching the truth. At least
I'm teaching the truth. I'm honoring Jesus," he said.
To show their faith, many followers are flocking to tattoo parlors to
get the number 666 inked onto their skin. Miranda has done this to his
own arm.
"We accept it. We are anti-Christs, too," he said.
"You have many religious groups that have modifications on behavior or
religions that have social markers, whether it's to wear a veil, or in
this case, they have a tattoo," said Luis Murillo, a professor of
religious studies at Trinity University.
Groups like Creciendo en Gracia are nothing new, Murillo said.
While some biblical scholars say the 666 tattoo proves this is a
destructive cult headed for trouble, Murillo points out many modern day
religions began like Creciendo en Gracia.
"It's an organization that revolves around him, by definition you could
call it a cult, you could also call it an emergent religion, depending
on what happens in 10 to 15 years," Murillo said.
"Anything they don't understand, they call a cult ... If I'm a cult, I'm
the best one. I love to direct this beautiful cult!" Miranda said.
Another believer backed up Miranda.
"If we [were] a Satanic group, we would be praising the devil, but we
don't think the devil exists," said Pastor Boris Martinez, a follower of
Miranda.
Miranda claims to have more than 100,000 followers worldwide.
Before you dismiss Growing in Grace, Murillo said, religious groups like
it can become mainstream, if they continue to grow long after the
founder has died.
Miranda has five churches in Texas, in Austin, Dalls, Fort Worth,
Houston and McAllen. He does not have a church in San Antonio.
Online at:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/religion/stories/MYSA022607.secondcoming
preacher.KENS.1864300a.html
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http://tinyurl.com/377cay
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "jl" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
08 Mar 2007 08:54:03 AM |
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What's unbelievable about this story? It is just as believable as
the account of the virgin birth, the crucifixion, the resurrection,
and the ascencion of Jesus in the Bible.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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28 Feb 2007 02:22:55 PM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com...
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
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Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
"I believe it. I really believe him, that he is God," one follower said.
Jeebus Xmas! :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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28 Feb 2007 05:29:09 PM |
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In article <54m6alF21mpt0U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com...
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
"I believe it. I really believe him, that he is God," one follower said.
Jeebus Xmas! :P
Barnum proved right again. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
28 Feb 2007 02:32:26 PM |
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In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
28 Feb 2007 05:27:06 PM |
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In article <es4osq$g3a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
LOL! He's good!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
01 Mar 2007 09:27:49 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-80F103.15270628022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es4osq$g3a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose
Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and
his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
LOL! He's good!
I agree - How cool :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
01 Mar 2007 02:09:54 PM |
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In article <54o9d9F20eeusU1@mid.individual.net> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-80F103.15270628022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es4osq$g3a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose
Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and
his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
LOL! He's good!
I agree - How cool :)
I don't know if it's apparent from the sample pages, but
Ennis' basic idea here is that both Jesus and the Antichrist
have been ordered to Earth by their respective Fathers --
Jesus to do the crucifixition thing yet one more time,
and the Antichrist to bring on Armageddon.
Jesus rebels, pointing out how little good it did last time,
how much evil was committed His name, and how little impact
His true message had on the subsequent religion, and
Wormwood basically thinks that Earth is rather wonderful,
and so why ***** it up? Each having told his father to
bugger off, they become buddies. (Jesus, having been
brained by the L.A. cops when he tried preaching his
message of love and accptance one more time, has become simple,
but sweetly and loving simple. And Wormwood's worst
sin is that he can't settle down with his most
worthy girlfriend, and keeps cheating on
her -- in the first issue, with Joan of Arc
who seems to like it down and dirty [~Eet was Englishmen
who burned me at the stake...what a ***** I am, to let
myself be FOCKED by one"])
And that's all just Issue #1.
-- cary
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| User: "johac" |
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01 Mar 2007 05:49:36 PM |
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In article <es7bui$cpu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <54o9d9F20eeusU1@mid.individual.net> "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-80F103.15270628022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es4osq$g3a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos Jose
Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd
shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ and
his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
LOL! He's good!
I agree - How cool :)
I don't know if it's apparent from the sample pages, but
Ennis' basic idea here is that both Jesus and the Antichrist
have been ordered to Earth by their respective Fathers --
Jesus to do the crucifixition thing yet one more time,
and the Antichrist to bring on Armageddon.
Jesus rebels, pointing out how little good it did last time,
how much evil was committed His name, and how little impact
His true message had on the subsequent religion, and
Wormwood basically thinks that Earth is rather wonderful,
and so why ***** it up? Each having told his father to
bugger off, they become buddies. (Jesus, having been
brained by the L.A. cops when he tried preaching his
message of love and accptance one more time, has become simple,
but sweetly and loving simple. And Wormwood's worst
sin is that he can't settle down with his most
worthy girlfriend, and keeps cheating on
her -- in the first issue, with Joan of Arc
who seems to like it down and dirty [~Eet was Englishmen
who burned me at the stake...what a ***** I am, to let
myself be FOCKED by one"])
And that's all just Issue #1.
LOL!!! That's funny! :-)
-- cary
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
02 Mar 2007 11:21:19 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-25339F.15493601032007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es7bui$cpu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <54o9d9F20eeusU1@mid.individual.net> "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-80F103.15270628022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es4osq$g3a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has
returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos
Jose
Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis
de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd
shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing
in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been
waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ
and
his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
LOL! He's good!
I agree - How cool :)
I don't know if it's apparent from the sample pages, but
Ennis' basic idea here is that both Jesus and the Antichrist
have been ordered to Earth by their respective Fathers --
Jesus to do the crucifixition thing yet one more time,
and the Antichrist to bring on Armageddon.
Jesus rebels, pointing out how little good it did last time,
how much evil was committed His name, and how little impact
His true message had on the subsequent religion, and
Wormwood basically thinks that Earth is rather wonderful,
and so why ***** it up? Each having told his father to
bugger off, they become buddies. (Jesus, having been
brained by the L.A. cops when he tried preaching his
message of love and accptance one more time, has become simple,
but sweetly and loving simple. And Wormwood's worst
sin is that he can't settle down with his most
worthy girlfriend, and keeps cheating on
her -- in the first issue, with Joan of Arc
who seems to like it down and dirty [~Eet was Englishmen
who burned me at the stake...what a ***** I am, to let
myself be FOCKED by one"])
And that's all just Issue #1.
LOL!!! That's funny! :-)
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy Metal"
collection ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
02 Mar 2007 12:14:56 PM |
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-25339F.15493601032007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es7bui$cpu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <54o9d9F20eeusU1@mid.individual.net> "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-80F103.15270628022007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es4osq$g3a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
---
Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has
returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos
Jose
Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis
de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd
shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing
in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been
waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ
and
his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
LOL! He's good!
I agree - How cool :)
I don't know if it's apparent from the sample pages, but
Ennis' basic idea here is that both Jesus and the Antichrist
have been ordered to Earth by their respective Fathers --
Jesus to do the crucifixition thing yet one more time,
and the Antichrist to bring on Armageddon.
Jesus rebels, pointing out how little good it did last time,
how much evil was committed His name, and how little impact
His true message had on the subsequent religion, and
Wormwood basically thinks that Earth is rather wonderful,
and so why ***** it up? Each having told his father to
bugger off, they become buddies. (Jesus, having been
brained by the L.A. cops when he tried preaching his
message of love and accptance one more time, has become simple,
but sweetly and loving simple. And Wormwood's worst
sin is that he can't settle down with his most
worthy girlfriend, and keeps cheating on
her -- in the first issue, with Joan of Arc
who seems to like it down and dirty [~Eet was Englishmen
who burned me at the stake...what a ***** I am, to let
myself be FOCKED by one"])
And that's all just Issue #1.
LOL!!! That's funny! :-)
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy Metal"
collection ;)
Oh, I suspect that after a few issues, you'll be making damn sure
they're well hidden. Garth can be a pretty rauncy boy. At times
he's a bit too infatuated with blood and guts and exploding
heads for my taste (my girlfriend thinks I'm a total wuss on
this matter, and buys every comic Ennis writes), but there's
no denying his talent and originality and wit (plus, he wrote
the most convincing "girl talk"scene I've ever seen in comics,
back in some issue or other of "Preacher". I was flabbergasted).
In any event, I hope you thoroughly enjoy "Wormwood".
-- cary
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: He's baaaaaaak! Preacher claims to be Christ |
02 Mar 2007 06:30:02 PM |
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-25339F.15493601032007@news.giganews.com...
In article <es7bui$cpu$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <54o9d9F20eeusU1@mid.individual.net> "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> writes:
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In article <es4osq$g3a$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <jhachmann-F379E9.16563327022007@news.giganews.com> johac
<jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> writes:
Maybe he can help Jim Cameron identify his tomb.
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Preacher claims to be Christ
Web Posted: 02/27/2007 02:36 AM CST
Sarah Lucero
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda says he is Jesus Christ and he has
returned
as promised in the Second Coming.
At a recent Sunday service he was introduced, "Aqui lo tenemos
Jose
Luis
de Jesus Miranda, Jesus Cristo, hombre." (Here we have Jose Luis
de
Jesus Miranda, Jesus Christ, the man.)
To clapping, hooting and cheering, he appeared, with the crowd
shouting
"Alli esta." (There he is).
The people cheering are members of Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing
in
Grace, the religious group founded by Miranda.
"I am the Second Coming of Christ, that messiah they've been
waiting
for," he said.
If you find that outrageous, he claims he's also the anti-Christ
and
his
messages are attracting thousands of followers.
Speaking of the anti-christ, and lurching immediately off-topic in
the process: any comic fans in this froup might will be interested
in Garth ("Preacher") Ennis' latest:
http://www.avatarpress.net/v/Wormwood/
-- cary
LOL! He's good!
I agree - How cool :)
I don't know if it's apparent from the sample pages, but
Ennis' basic idea here is that both Jesus and the Antichrist
have been ordered to Earth by their respective Fathers --
Jesus to do the crucifixition thing yet one more time,
and the Antichrist to bring on Armageddon.
Jesus rebels, pointing out how little good it did last time,
how much evil was committed His name, and how little impact
His true message had on the subsequent religion, and
Wormwood basically thinks that Earth is rather wonderful,
and so why ***** it up? Each having told his father to
bugger off, they become buddies. (Jesus, having been
brained by the L.A. cops when he tried preaching his
message of love and accptance one more time, has become simple,
but sweetly and loving simple. And Wormwood's worst
sin is that he can't settle down with his most
worthy girlfriend, and keeps cheating on
her -- in the first issue, with Joan of Arc
who seems to like it down and dirty [~Eet was Englishmen
who burned me at the stake...what a ***** I am, to let
myself be FOCKED by one"])
And that's all just Issue #1.
LOL!!! That's funny! :-)
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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05 Mar 2007 10:31:52 AM |
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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05 Mar 2007 06:54:28 PM |
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In article <552ulbF234khgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music. Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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06 Mar 2007 10:11:33 AM |
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In article <552ulbF234khgU1@mid.individual.net>,
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy
Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music.
Oh, hell no. I'm definitely not a fan of heavy metal music :P
Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
Yep ;)
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
Oh I wouldn't say that. I was just into comics. Used to have a bunch of
Vampire Tales, Eerie, Creepy and Vampirella comics too. Dang, I miss them
:(
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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06 Mar 2007 10:39:23 AM |
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music.
Oh, hell no. I'm definitely not a fan of heavy metal music :P
Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
Yep ;)
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
Oh I wouldn't say that. I was just into comics. Used to have a bunch of Vampire Tales, Eerie, Creepy and Vampirella comics too.
Dang, I miss them :(
God's Punishment Cannot Be Avoided
Example: (Acts 12:20-25 NASB)
Death of Herod
20 Now he was very angry with the people of ?a?Tyre and Sidon;
and with one accord they came to him, and having won over Blastus
the king’s chamberlain, they were asking for peace, because ?b?their
country was fed by the king’s country.
21 On an appointed day Herod, having put on his royal apparel,
took his seat on the ?1?rostrum and began delivering an address to
them.
22 The people kept crying out, “The voice of a god and not of a
man!”
23 And immediately ?a?an angel of the Lord struck him because he
did not give God the glory, and he was eaten by worms and ?1?died.
24 But ?a?the word of the Lord continued to grow and to be
multiplied.
25 And ?a?Barnabas and ?a?Saul returned ?1?from Jerusalem
?b?when they had fulfilled their ?2?mission, taking along with them
?c?John, who was also called Mark.
[1]
Dr. Jean Sloat Morton comments,
The phrase “?eaten of worms,?” in Greek is skolakobrotos. The root word
skolax means “?a specific head structure of a tapeworm.?” Since the word
scolex (Plural scolices) is applied to the head of tapeworms, Herod’s
death was almost certainly due to the rupture of a cyst formed by a
tapeworm. There are several kinds of tapeworms, but one of the most
common ones found in sheep-growing countries is the dog tape,
Echinococcus granulosus. The heaviest infections come from areas where
sheep and cattle are raised. Sheep and cattle serve as intermediate hosts
for the parasite. The dog eats the infected meat, then man gets the eggs
from the dog, usually by fecal contamination of hair.
The disease is characterized by the formation of cysts, generally on the
right lobe of the liver; these may extend down into the abdominal cavity.
The rupture of such a cyst may release as many as two million scolices.
The developing worms inside of the cysts are called scolices, because the
anterior region constitutes the major part of development at this stage.
When the cyst ruptures, the entrance of cellular debris along with the
scolices may cause sudden death.
The use of the word scolex is not limited to this reference about Herod;
the term also appears in ?Mark 9:44?. A literal translation of the phrase
in ?Mark 9:44? would read, “?where their scolex dieth not.?” This usage
is very interesting because the tapeworm keeps propagating itself. Each
section of the worm is a self-contained unit which has both male and
female parts. The posterior part matures and forms hundreds of worm eggs.
The word scolex in this text portrays a biological description of
permanence which the text demands for the comparison. (Science in the
Bible [Chicago: Moody, 1978], 261–62)
According to Josephus, Herod lingered on for five days, in terrible pain.
Amid all his pomp and majesty, he suffered an ignominious and shameful
death. So ended the reign and life of the man who had dared to touch two
of God’s apostles. His crime for which he was executed (a.d. 44) was that
he did not give God the glory, the very crime for which all the
unregenerate who reject God will be condemned (?Rom. 1:18–23?).
[2]
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a Matt 11:21 b 1 Kin 5:11; Ezra 3:7; Ezek 27:17 1 Or judgment seat a 2
Sam 24:16; 2 Kin 19:35; Acts 5:19 1 Lit breathed his last breath a Acts
6:7; 19:20 a Acts 4:36; 13:1ff 1 Two early mss read to Jerusalem b Acts
11:30 2 Lit ministry c Acts 12:12
[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ac 12:20). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.
[2]MacArthur, J. (1994, c1996). Acts (326). Chicago: Moody Press.
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In article <555hr7F21japtU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <552ulbF234khgU1@mid.individual.net>,
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:jhachmann-02279F.16300202032007@news.giganews.com...
In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy
Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music.
Oh, hell no. I'm definitely not a fan of heavy metal music :P
Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
Yep ;)
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
Oh I wouldn't say that. I was just into comics. Used to have a bunch of
Vampire Tales, Eerie, Creepy and Vampirella comics too. Dang, I miss them
:(
I miss the old EC comics like 'Tales from the Crypt' (which became a
short lived TV series), 'Vault of Horror' and I think they were a few
more. They were done in by censorship in the '50s because they were
causing "juvenile delinquency". They had some good Sci Fi comics too.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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08 Mar 2007 08:35:39 AM |
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In article <555hr7F21japtU1@mid.individual.net>,
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In article <552ulbF234khgU1@mid.individual.net>,
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy
Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music.
Oh, hell no. I'm definitely not a fan of heavy metal music :P
Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
Yep ;)
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
Oh I wouldn't say that. I was just into comics. Used to have a bunch of
Vampire Tales, Eerie, Creepy and Vampirella comics too. Dang, I miss
them
:(
I miss the old EC comics like 'Tales from the Crypt' (which became a
short lived TV series),
Ah yes, I know it well :)
'Vault of Horror' and I think they were a few
more. They were done in by censorship in the '50s because they were
causing "juvenile delinquency". They had some good Sci Fi comics too.
I see if I can find any when I go to the Chiller Theater Horror Expo next
month :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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05 Mar 2007 11:57:15 PM |
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy
Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music. Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
That elfchick with the long black hair in the
black sort of dress? And Skywise who was
wise in more ways than one. And, the
lovebirds who started out hating each others'
guts (Cutter and Leeta).
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
It's not all sex. It's very well written and drawn.
It can be serious to the point of tragedy and funny
to the point of being delightfully silly. Excellent for
children, as far as I'm concerned. Of course, it
would absolutely horrify the fundies. Why, those
elves are not only aliens who mixed with wolves;
they're not even Christians! I collected it up to the
sea elves. Time to catch up again, I guess.
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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In article <552ulbF234khgU1@mid.individual.net>,
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy
Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music. Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
That elfchick with the long black hair in the
black sort of dress?
That would be Winnowill. I stopped reading them years ago as the Pinis sort
of stopped producing them and were letting other people write and draw the
comics. They definitely went downhill after that IMHO. Apparently Winnowill
somehow got released from her watery prison and ended up turning human. WTF?
And Skywise who was
wise in more ways than one.
He was my favorite - Such a hottie :)
And, the
lovebirds who started out hating each others'
guts (Cutter and Leeta).
That's right. I'm definitely dragging them out of the basement tonight :)
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
It's not all sex. It's very well written and drawn.
It can be serious to the point of tragedy and funny
to the point of being delightfully silly. Excellent for
children, as far as I'm concerned. Of course, it
would absolutely horrify the fundies. Why, those
elves are not only aliens who mixed with wolves;
they're not even Christians! I collected it up to the
sea elves. Time to catch up again, I guess.
Yeah, I stopped before the sea elves. I didn't like the stuff that wasn't
done by the Pinis :(
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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06 Mar 2007 10:38:40 AM |
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music. Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
That elfchick with the long black hair in the
black sort of dress?
That would be Winnowill. I stopped reading them years ago as the Pinis sort of stopped producing them and were letting other
people write and draw the comics. They definitely went downhill after that IMHO. Apparently Winnowill somehow got released from
her watery prison and ended up turning human. WTF?
And Skywise who was
wise in more ways than one.
He was my favorite - Such a hottie :)
And, the
lovebirds who started out hating each others'
guts (Cutter and Leeta).
That's right. I'm definitely dragging them out of the basement tonight :)
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
It's not all sex. It's very well written and drawn.
It can be serious to the point of tragedy and funny
to the point of being delightfully silly. Excellent for
children, as far as I'm concerned. Of course, it
would absolutely horrify the fundies. Why, those
elves are not only aliens who mixed with wolves;
they're not even Christians! I collected it up to the
sea elves. Time to catch up again, I guess.
Yeah, I stopped before the sea elves. I didn't like the stuff that wasn't done by the Pinis :(
"Difficult Times Will Come" - Are We there Yet!
The Coming Apostasy
(2 Timothy 3:1-5 NASB)
"Difficult Times Will Come"
1 But realize this, that ?a?in the last days difficult times will come.
2 For men will be ?a?lovers of self, ?b?lovers of money, ?c?boastful,
?c?arrogant, ?d?revilers, ?c?disobedient to parents, ?e?ungrateful, ?f?unholy,
3 ?a?unloving, irreconcilable, ?b?malicious gossips, without self-control,
brutal, ?1??c?haters of good,
4 ?a?treacherous, ?b?reckless, ?c?conceited, ?d?lovers of pleasure rather
than lovers of God,
5 holding to a form of ?1??a?godliness, although they have ?b?denied its
power; ?c?Avoid such men as these. [1]
LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS
If society is doomed to degeneration, what should believers do as they live in the
"last days"? Paul offered advice in several of his letters:
Reference - Romans 13:11-14
Application - Keep close to the Lord.
Reference - 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
Application - Avoid those masquerading as servants of God.
Reference - Ephesians 5:11
Application - Have nothing to do with evildoers and their wicked deeds; instead,
expose them. Believers need not allow evil to continue unchecked, but should
actively work against it.
Reference - Ephesians 5:18
Application - Redeem the time.
Reference - Colossians 4:2, 5
Application - Believers are to pray, be watchful, be thankful, and be wise in the
way they act toward unbelievers, making the most of every opportunity to share
the gospel.
Reference - 2 Thessalonians 3:6-15
Application - Church members who are lazy and idle must be warned. Christians
should not be sitting around waiting for the Lord to return, but should continue
working in the ministry.
[2]
In verses 2-5, nineteen characteristics of mankind during the last days are given.
We shall simply list them and give synonyms that explain their meaning:
Lovers of themselves-self-cen tered, conceited, egotistical.
Lovers of money-greedy for mon ey, avaricious.
Boasters-braggarts, full of great swelling words.
Proud-arrogant, haughty, overbearing.
Blasphemers-evil speakers, profane, abusive, foulmouthed, contemptuous,
insulting.
Disobedient to parents-rebellious, undutiful, uncontrolled.
Unthankful-ungrateful, lacking in appreciation.
Unholy-impious, profane, irreverent, holding nothing sacred.
3:3 Unloving-hard-hearted, unnaturally callous, unfeeling.
Unforgiving-"implacable, refusing to make peace, refusing efforts toward
reconciliation."
Slanderers-spreading false and malicious reports.
Without self-control-men of uncontrolled passions, dissolute, debauched.
Brutal-savage, unprincipled.
Despisers of good-haters of whatever or whoever is good; utterly opposed to
goodness in any form.
3:4 Traitors-treacherous, betrayers.
Headstrong-reckless, self-willed, rash.
Haughty-making empty pretensions, conceited.
Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-those who love sensual pleasures
but not God.
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2 Timothy 3:1
Knowing his death was imminent, I believe Paul nonetheless thought the Rapture
would happen either in his lifetime or shortly thereafter. So do I. I believe the
Rapture will happen in my lifetime.
"Well," you say, "if Paul thought the Rapture would happen in his lifetime, and it
didn't-and if men of God throughout the ages have felt as though they were
living in the last days and the Rapture would happen in their lifetimes, and it
didn't-doesn't it seem foolish to think the Rapture will happen in your lifetime?"
Not at all. Throughout the history of the church, the greatest men and women of
the faith have all lived their lives believing that the Lord's coming was nigh. And
even though the Lord didn't come when they thought He would, looking for His
return impacted their lives in such a way that they left their mark on history and
will be rewarded greatly in eternity (2 Timothy 4:8). Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon,
Finney, Moody, Torrey all felt the Lord's coming was close at hand. Put me in
their company any day!
I choose to live my life looking for the Lord's coming. And if I am wrong, even if
He doesn't come back for another five hundred years, I would rather go through
the days I have left looking for the sudden appearing of Jesus Christ because I
know the effect it has upon the life of any man or woman who believes He could
come today: One's heart does not get troubled as easily. One is not prone to sin
so readily. If you want to live a zealous, exciting, fulfilling, pure Christian life, live it
looking for the Lord's coming (1 John 3:3).
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2 Timothy 3:2 (a)
For men shall be lovers of their own selves.
Of the students in the ten leading industrialized nations, American high-school
students scored either ninth or tenth in every academic category. But in the
category of self-esteem, they came in first. In other words, our culture is very
good at teaching our kids to say, "I'm okay. I'm somebody. I'm proud."
2 Timothy 3:2 (b)
..covetous, boasters.
The Greek word translated "boasters" is alazon, which speaks of a claim made
by a quack promising something but unable to deliver that which was promised.
2 Timothy 3:2 (c)
..proud, blasphemers.
The idea of blasphemy literally refers to those who use the Lord's name in vain.
People say "God" constantly-but seldom with reverence. Even by people
interviewed on news programs, the Lord's name is used in vain constantly.
2 Timothy 3:2 (d), 3 (a)
..disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection.
I believe nothing identifies us more clearly as those who have fallen into unnatural
affection than the sad statistics relating to abortion. We're horrified when we read
that the Canaanites placed their babies on the incandescent arms of idols. How
can this be? we wonder. And yet we burn our babies with saline solutions in the
wombs of mothers-a practice even more horrific, a practice that goes against
every natural instinct to protect one's offspring.
2 Timothy 3:3 (b)
..trucebreakers.
The idea here is of people ignoring covenants or contracts.
2 Timothy 3:3 (c)
..false accusers, incontinent, fierce.
After being confronted by a student upset with an assignment, the teacher of an
anger management class lost his temper and hit the student in the face. Now, if
even teachers of anger management are hitting people, without the Lord, what
hope is there for the rest of our angry world?
2 Timothy 3:3 (d), 4
..despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of
pleasures more than lovers of God.
People love pleasure. But it's a love that leads only to the "Been there, done that,
now what?" mentality, as they find they have to continually do something bigger,
better, farther, faster, and higher in order to get the same thrill they once did.
2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
We're to turn away from those who are without natural affection, from those who
despise things that are good, from those who love pleasure more than God, from
those who talk about NewAge spirituality but who know nothing of the power of
the Holy Spirit and the Resurrected Jesus.
[5]
IS IT BAD ENOUGH YET?
Our concerns about the "last days" tend to be very personal. They usually arise,
not because we are actually suffering, but because we dread suffering. Concerns
focus not so much on the destructiveness of evil around us, but whether or not
evil will affect our way of living. Such narrow concerns reveal our blindness to
evil. Christians must not withdraw from the world entirely or use the wrong
methods to defend themselves against it. Believers who attempt to insulate
themselves from the moral degradation of the last days must not insulate
themselves from God. Whenever material prosperity or pleasure are used in place
of God's protection, we fool ourselves. But God loves us too much to leave us in
our delusion. If it takes the loss of everything to get our attention, God has been
known to allow that to happen. Does your life exhibit an awareness of the
desperate condition of the world? Are you using God's methods for dealing with
terrible times?
[6]
CHECK THE LIST
In many parts of the world today, it's not too tough to be a follower of
Christ-Christians aren't jailed for reading the Bible or executed for preaching
Christ. But Paul's descriptive list of behavior in the last days describes our
society-even, unfortunately, the behavior of some Christians. Every one of these
can be found in churches today. Check your life against Paul's list. Don't give in
to society's pressures. Don't settle for comfort without commitment. Stand up
against evil by living as God would have his people live.
[7]
CHOOSING TO LOVE
Why is it so tempting to be a lover of pleasure rather than a lover of God?
.. Pleasure is something we can control; God cannot be controlled. Most
pleasures can be obtained easily; love for God requires effort and sometimes
sacrifice.
.. Pleasure benefits us now; the benefits of loving God are often in the future.
.. Pleasure has a narcotic effect; it takes our minds off ourselves and our
problems. Love for God reminds us of our needs and our responsibilities.
.. Pleasure cooperates with pride. It makes us feel good when we look good in
the eyes of others. To love God we must lay aside our pride and our
accomplishments.
[8]
PLAYING SOLDIER
Imitation Christianity has dangerous consequences. Putting on an appearance of
faith often leads people to believe a person is a true believer. In an actual incident
during the Korean War, a lieutenant inspecting a new platoon over which he was
about to take command reported that several soldiers carried rifles that had
rusted shut. Yet they were scheduled to go into battle the next day! They looked
like soldiers; they carried weapons. But they were unprepared and unable to
fight.
Some churchgoers rely on superficial appearances. Many people today carry
Bibles, attend church, mouth the right words, yet evidence no spiritual power in
their lives. They have no direct, personal, intimate connection with God.
[9]
"Self-love is the basic shortcoming mentioned in the list of vices in 3:2-5. This
vice leads to action in vv. 6-9 that is deceitful, determined to dominate, stubborn,
and rejected by God." 64
[10]
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a 1 Tim 4:1
a Phil 2:21
b Luke 16:14; 1 Tim 3:3; 6:10
c Rom 1:30
d 2 Pet 2:10-12
e Luke 6:35
f 1 Tim 1:9
a Rom 1:31
b 1 Tim 3:11
1 Lit not loving good
c Titus 1:8
a Acts 7:52
b Acts 19:36
c 1 Tim 3:6
d Phil 3:19
1 Or religion
a 1 Tim 4:7
b 1 Tim 5:8
c Matt 7:15; 2 Thess 3:6
[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (2 Ti 3:1). LaHabra, CA:
The Lockman Foundation.
[2]Barton, B. B., Veerman, D., & Wilson, N. S. (1993). 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy,
Titus. Cover title: 1 & 2 Timothy & Titus. Life application Bible commentary
(204). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.
[3]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary
: Old and New Testaments (2 Ti 3:2). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
[4]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1408).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[5]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1408).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
[6]Barton, B. B., Veerman, D., & Wilson, N. S. (1993). 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy,
Titus. Cover title: 1 & 2 Timothy & Titus. Life application Bible commentary
(204). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.
[7]Barton, B. B., Veerman, D., & Wilson, N. S. (1993). 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy,
Titus. Cover title: 1 & 2 Timothy & Titus. Life application Bible commentary
(206). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.
[8]Barton, B. B., Veerman, D., & Wilson, N. S. (1993). 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy,
Titus. Cover title: 1 & 2 Timothy & Titus. Life application Bible commentary
(207). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.
[9]Barton, B. B., Veerman, D., & Wilson, N. S. (1993). 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy,
Titus. Cover title: 1 & 2 Timothy & Titus. Life application Bible commentary
(208). Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.
64 64. Lea, p. 230.
[10]Tom Constable. (2003; 2003). Tom Constable's Expository Notes on the
Bible (2 Ti 3:5). Galaxie Software.
.. So much predictive Truth in just five [5] lines of Scripture!
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In article <pOgHh.9233$Sh.2492@newsfe15.phx>, "e" <0@john-14-6.info>
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Stop your babbling. No one cares.
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0500, "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote:
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0500, "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote:
Oh, shut the ***** up.
Who the heck is this "e" jackass? Did V borrow a vowel?
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06 Mar 2007 02:38:16 PM |
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:26:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0500, "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote:
Oh, shut the ***** up.
Who the heck is this "e" jackass? Did V borrow a vowel?
He's been a laughing stock in alt.talk.creationism for a while now,
but this is the first time I've seen him in a.a.
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06 Mar 2007 05:57:09 PM |
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In article <k8kru2p4f812t6md9ju7iorfro28o7cslp@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:26:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:j38ru2l683l50n4r78heldaid1qjkomdgj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0500, "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote:
Oh, shut the ***** up.
Who the heck is this "e" jackass? Did V borrow a vowel?
He's been a laughing stock in alt.talk.creationism for a while now,
but this is the first time I've seen him in a.a.
Crap!. Another fundy troll loon. As if we didn't have enough.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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07 Mar 2007 05:26:21 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <k8kru2p4f812t6md9ju7iorfro28o7cslp@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:26:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:j38ru2l683l50n4r78heldaid1qjkomdgj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0500, "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote:
Oh, shut the ***** up.
Who the heck is this "e" jackass? Did V borrow a vowel?
He's been a laughing stock in alt.talk.creationism for a while now,
but this is the first time I've seen him in a.a.
Crap!. Another fundy troll loon. As if we didn't have enough.
My bad - I seem to attract these freaks for some bizarre reason. I couldn't
imagine why! ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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07 Mar 2007 01:46:57 PM |
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In article <557lr2F22a728U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <k8kru2p4f812t6md9ju7iorfro28o7cslp@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:26:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:j38ru2l683l50n4r78heldaid1qjkomdgj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0500, "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote:
Oh, shut the ***** up.
Who the heck is this "e" jackass? Did V borrow a vowel?
He's been a laughing stock in alt.talk.creationism for a while now,
but this is the first time I've seen him in a.a.
Crap!. Another fundy troll loon. As if we didn't have enough.
My bad - I seem to attract these freaks for some bizarre reason. I couldn't
imagine why! ;)
Your perfume contains a troll pheromone?
Actually, these idiots seem to be all over the group. Last week I was
blaming it on the eclipse. We're getting close to Spring now (except
apparently on the East Coast), when all sorts of things slither out of
the earth.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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08 Mar 2007 08:34:39 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <557lr2F22a728U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <k8kru2p4f812t6md9ju7iorfro28o7cslp@4ax.com>,
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:26:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:j38ru2l683l50n4r78heldaid1qjkomdgj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:38:40 -0500, "e" <0@john-14-6.info> wrote:
Oh, shut the ***** up.
Who the heck is this "e" jackass? Did V borrow a vowel?
He's been a laughing stock in alt.talk.creationism for a while now,
but this is the first time I've seen him in a.a.
Crap!. Another fundy troll loon. As if we didn't have enough.
My bad - I seem to attract these freaks for some bizarre reason. I
couldn't
imagine why! ;)
Your perfume contains a troll pheromone?
WHAT perfume?!?! ;)
Actually, these idiots seem to be all over the group. Last week I was
blaming it on the eclipse. We're getting close to Spring now (except
apparently on the East Coast), when all sorts of things slither out of
the earth.
Ah, that sounds as good a theory as any ;)
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Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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06 Mar 2007 05:53:55 PM |
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In article <ht6dnW7hR6Mqn3DYnZ2dnUVZ_s-rnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <552ulbF234khgU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <54r4e3F223pasU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
sniop
I'm ordering all the issues. Whoopie!
Will have to hide these from the witchling, along with my "Heavy
Metal"
collection ;)
Heavy Metal, eh? I never would have guessed. :-)
I can't tell if you're serious or not? I love that magazine.
I thought you were talking about music. Now that you mention it, I think
I did hear about a magazine and wasn't there a movie by that name?
I did promise the witchling I'd dig up my Elfquest collection for her,
though I do recall some racy parts in that at well.
That elfchick with the long black hair in the
black sort of dress? And Skywise who was
wise in more ways than one. And, the
lovebirds who started out hating each others'
guts (Cutter and Leeta).
I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with that one either. I must have led a
very sheltered life. :-)
It's not all sex. It's very well written and drawn.
It can be serious to the point of tragedy and funny
to the point of being delightfully silly. Excellent for
children, as far as I'm concerned. Of course, it
would absolutely horrify the fundies. Why, those
elves are not only aliens who mixed with wolves;
they're not even Christians! I collected it up to the
sea elves. Time to catch up again, I guess.
I missed out on those. I was a big fan of the old EC comics before they
fell due to McCarthy era censorship. I wish I had saved my collection.
they might even be worth some money these days, although I doubt that I
would sell them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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