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16 Sep 2005 12:24:17 PM |
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Hey biblo |
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray and blanco do with
the money?
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
16 Sep 2005 02:30:08 PM |
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TV's dukakke wrote:
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray and blanco
Yes, we all know that Louisiana's government is corrupt. Do you think
Governor David Duke would have handled things differently?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
17 Sep 2005 08:10:35 AM |
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In <VZadnenqlaykgLbeRVn-3A@centurytel.net>, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's dukakke wrote:
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray and blanco
Yes, we all know that Louisiana's government is corrupt. Do you think
Governor David Duke would have handled things differently?
The city is almost utterly depopulated and he doesn't understand how it's
gone broke? Guess he figures Nagin forgot to go pick money in the magical
revenue groves?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
17 Sep 2005 01:25:52 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:10:35 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster>
wrote:
In <VZadnenqlaykgLbeRVn-3A@centurytel.net>, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's dukakke wrote:
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray and blanco
Yes, we all know that Louisiana's government is corrupt. Do you think
Governor David Duke would have handled things differently?
The city is almost utterly depopulated and he doesn't understand how it's
gone broke? Guess he figures Nagin forgot to go pick money in the magical
revenue groves?
But mark, the people are coming back. The President is going to rebuild the
city, not blanco.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
16 Sep 2005 04:01:24 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:30:08 -0500, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's dukakke wrote:
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray and blanco
Yes, we all know that Louisiana's government is corrupt. Do you think
Governor David Duke would have handled things differently?
Nope, he's an crook too. BUT, sargeant bilko hangs onto c.ray and blanco.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
16 Sep 2005 04:52:39 PM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's dukakke wrote:
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray
and blanco
Yes, we all know that Louisiana's government is corrupt. Do
you think Governor David Duke would have handled things
differently?
Basically a city like NOLA has assets, for example
city sales taxes, property taxes and other income.
It has debits, money it must spend, and it has
cash reserves at hand.
NOLA is bankrupt because cash on hand, never large
in cities like this is gone, and the tax revenue
stream it counts on, is dead. There are few people
working so spending is dead, and when it comes time
to pay property taxes, NOLA will not be seeing taxes
paid by people unemployed, on houses now destroyed,
or by people dead or scattered in distant cities.
Basically, future income streams are dead, but new
spending on recovery is rising, while other costs
remain.
Basically this is so simple to understand, you would
think even a moron could figure it oiut, but Puke is
indeed, a moron with an IQ about 69 as best I can tell.
Cities usually, like most people, like hand to mouth
and do not have large reserves of ready cash.
What they had is spent, what they had planned on in the immediate
future pre-Katrina is now not going to be coming into city
coffers.
So, they are officially broke.
Puke is stupid and nasty, and apparently loves to prove he is an
untermenschen by refusing to use what little substandard brains
he might have.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
17 Sep 2005 07:57:57 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:52:39 -0500, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
NOLA is bankrupt because cash on hand, never large
in cities like this is gone, and the tax revenue
stream it counts on, is dead.
AND, it was a lousy-run city.
We people of Louisiana well understand that.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
17 Sep 2005 11:14:31 AM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:52:39 -0500, wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
NOLA is bankrupt because cash on hand, never large
in cities like this is gone, and the tax revenue
stream it counts on, is dead.
AND, it was a lousy-run city.
Basically, you are stupid.
Basically, everybody in Louisiana knows Louisiana
is the 49th poorest state in the US. Everybody
knows that NOLAs is not wealthy. Except you,
because you are stupid.
And nasty.
I explained this in simple, 6th grad terms, but you don't want
explanations, you want to sit here and ***** our ignorance,
and hate.
I am very happy I am not a shitty christian moron like you.
Its people like you that make me abhor christianity and right
wingism.
If there was a Hitler around, you'd happily don a brown shirt.
We see that from you daily.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
19 Sep 2005 05:51:52 PM |
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In <11iofbiee4bfaf@corp.supernews.com>, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
duke wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:52:39 -0500, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
NOLA is bankrupt because cash on hand, never large in cities like this
is gone, and the tax revenue stream it counts on, is dead.
AND, it was a lousy-run city.
Basically, you are stupid.
Basically, everybody in Louisiana knows Louisiana is the 49th poorest
state in the US. Everybody knows that NOLAs is not wealthy. Except you,
because you are stupid.
Not to mention he (apparently) lives in Baton Rouge which is *such a city
of virtue and morality.
<SNORK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
17 Sep 2005 01:24:37 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:14:31 -0500, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
AND, it was a lousy-run city.
Basically, you are stupid.
Basically, everybody in Louisiana knows Louisiana
is the 49th poorest state in the US. Everybody
knows that NOLAs is not wealthy. Except you,
because you are stupid.
Crooks run the city. That's why it's broke after one week after the hurricane.
And nasty.
I explained this in simple, 6th grad terms, but you don't want
explanations, you want to sit here and ***** our ignorance,
and hate.
NO is less than popular with the majority of the people of the state.
I am very happy I am not a shitty christian moron like you.
Its people like you that make me abhor christianity and right
wingism.
If there was a Hitler around, you'd happily don a brown shirt.
We see that from you daily.
You see nothing.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
17 Sep 2005 04:59:55 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:14:31 -0500, wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
AND, it was a lousy-run city.
Basically, you are stupid.
Basically, everybody in Louisiana knows Louisiana
is the 49th poorest state in the US. Everybody
knows that NOLAs is not wealthy. Except you,
because you are stupid.
Crooks run the city. That's why it's broke after one week
after the hurricane.
And nasty.
I explained this in simple, 6th grad terms, but you don't want
explanations, you want to sit here and ***** our ignorance,
and hate.
NO is less than popular with the majority of the people of the
state.
I am very happy I am not a shitty christian moron like you.
Its people like you that make me abhor christianity and right
wingism.
If there was a Hitler around, you'd happily don a brown shirt.
We see that from you daily.
You see nothing.
I see that you are nasty, stupid and relentlessy, willfully
ignorant.
And wrong about everything you type about.
And Part 1
IS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.
A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.
The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:
A. God is personal, God has will and conciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.
These are the basic attributes that can be claimed for
the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and
Hinduism.
Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually logically
derivable from the claimed attribute of omnipotence and
so aren't not truely independent attributes, and may be
considered special aspects of omnipotence.
There are other attributes of god, that he is the only
such god, that he is is immortal and that god has always
existed that are not important for this discussion and for
now, can be ignored. They are secondary arguments and in
no way are foundational or truely necessary, except those
that can be logically derived from the attributes listed
above.
A CLASS OF GODS
It is important to note here that this is a definition
not for a particular god, but an entire class of gods.
Sub-theories about god are not important here. Christianity
claims one may attain salvation only through Jesus, Islam
claims the Christian dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous. Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a personal,
creator, omni-everything god. I have coined a term,
The Grand God of Grand Theologies for this sort of god.
Grand theologies are those theologies that have adopted this
class of god as their basic attributes concerning the nature
of god. But it is important to remember here that what is
being discussed here is a class of gods, not particular gods.
THE FOUR GREAT THEOLOGICAL TRADITIONS
Again, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism hold
to this basic Grand God and are typical Grand Theologies
holding to this basic class of god as their basic
definitions of what god is at god's most basic level.
A big problem with this class of gods is, it collapses
rather easily into internal self contradiction.
THE PROBLEM OF EVIL.
The problem of evil was first written down by Epicurus
in about the third century BCE.
Today's formulation is:
A. God is defined as omnipotent;
B. and as omnibenevolent.
C. Evil exists.
D. God therefore, is not omnipotent as claimed.
E. Or God is not omnibenevolent as claimed.
F. Or god is neither omnipotent or omnibenevolent.
G. Or god is not existant.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE
The free will defense of the problem of evil goes back
to St. Augustine who popularized it. It is still popular,
and is championed most notably today by Alvin Plantinga.
God gave man free will. Man freely chooses to do evil.
Ability to do evil is less evil than lacking free will.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE DEBUNKED.
God has free will.
God is omnibenevolent, he has a good nature incapable
of doing evil.
A. If god can have free will, and a good nature, this good
nature is not allowed to cound againts god's free will.
B. Nor is god's lack of ability to do evil
allowed to count against god's omnipotence.
C. Likewise, man could easily have a god like
free will and a god like good nature.
D. Inabilty then to do evil would no more count against
man's free will than it does for god's free will.
E. If so, it also counts against god's free will and god
does not have free will as claimed.
F. If god does not have absolute and total free will, thus
free will is not a true necessity at all.
F. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and can give
man a god like free will and a god like good nature
incapable of moral evil, god must do so or god is not
moral, not omnibenevolent.
G. Evil exists because he allows it to.
So free will does not exist, or it does and we can have
a god like free will and a god like good nature.
Either way, free will cannot explain away the existance
of evil. This free will defense then, is a failed argument.
OMNISCIENCE VERSUS CREATORHOOD OF GOD
God is defined as creator of all in most religions.
And god is claimed to be omniscient, all knowing.
A. God created the Universe and all in it.
B. God is omniscient, all knowing, he knows all in
the Universe and he knows the future of the Universe
and its contents.
C. If god creates a Universe, he will know that in 13 billion
years this Universe will have a man named John Smith in it.
D. If John Smith is good and saved, or evil and damned, God
will know that.
E. As he knows that the Universe in its present state will
have a John Smith, god may then contemplate the future state
of Smith and decide if he will tolerate an evil Smith.
F. If yes, Smith will be evil only because of a specific
personal
and will choice made solely by god.
G. If Smith is evil, then evil exists solely because of a choice
made by god. In fact all moral evil done by creations of god
will be evil and do evil only because of personal and willful
creations of god allowing evil acts to be done, by direct
decision of god.
H. If evil exists in a world with an omniscient creator god, it
is
solely and only because god allows evil.
I. If evil exists solely because of personal choices of god, god
then is not as defined, omnibenevolent.
J. Man and any other sentient being in such a Universe cannot
have
any free will, not even in principle. A Universe with a god
that creates all and knows all precludes free will for all
beings god creates in the strongest possible manner.
The Grand God of Grand
Theology is thus self destroying, it is incoherent
and contradictory as a theory.
THE SITUATION SO FAR.
1. A minimalistic class of gods is defined, this Grand God,
has been defined here with as few terms as possible.
2. The problem of evil dooms such a claimed god.
3. The attempted defence, free will is fatally flawed.
God's good nature and free will doom claims free
will makes evil necessary for man to have free will.
4. Omniscience and creatorhood of god further doom claims of
god's omnibenevolence and man's free will Free will cannot
exist for man. All evil is the direct and knowing creation
of god contradicting claims of omnibenevolence.
5. Since Free will for man is totally impossible, free will
cannot be a good quality, much less neccesary.
Here, the Grand God of Grand Theology has collapsed. As has Grand
Theology. As pointed out, this destroys the claims and viability
of an entire class of possible gods, all secondary and tertiary
claims for such a god of this class also fail, as do dogmas or
secondary claims.
If a these Grand Gods cannot exist as defined, specific gods
cannot, nor can claims such as this or that Grand God sent this
or that relevation to man or some prophet.
***********
too stupid to care.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
18 Sep 2005 07:50:42 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:59:55 -0500, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:14:31 -0500, wbarwell
<wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
AND, it was a lousy-run city.
Basically, you are stupid.
Basically, everybody in Louisiana knows Louisiana
is the 49th poorest state in the US. Everybody
knows that NOLAs is not wealthy. Except you,
because you are stupid.
Crooks run the city. That's why it's broke after one week
after the hurricane.
And nasty.
I explained this in simple, 6th grad terms, but you don't want
explanations, you want to sit here and ***** our ignorance,
and hate.
NO is less than popular with the majority of the people of the
state.
I am very happy I am not a shitty christian moron like you.
Its people like you that make me abhor christianity and right
wingism.
If there was a Hitler around, you'd happily don a brown shirt.
We see that from you daily.
You see nothing.
I see that you are nasty, stupid and relentlessy, willfully
ignorant.
No, really, I live in Louisiana, and I know how the people of the state feel
about NO.
And wrong about everything you type about.
Not a chance.
too stupid to care.
When are you going to try to develop a believable scenario for the non existence
of God.
Your two attempts so far have been a joke.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Olrik" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
16 Sep 2005 10:52:44 PM |
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duke wrote:
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray and blanco do with
the money?
Mark plonked you weeks ago, so you might give it a rest.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Hey biblo |
17 Sep 2005 07:56:51 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:52:44 -0400, Olrik <olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
How can Naw'lens be bankrupt after 1 week. What did C.Ray and blanco do with
the money?
Mark plonked you weeks ago, so you might give it a rest.
Mark just can't enjoy the embarrassment he gets. Remember, I was closer to
Katrina than he was. He really likes the attention he gets from atheists as
though he's a hero.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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