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"Conspiracy of Doves" |
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24 Jan 2006 12:16:54 AM |
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Hey! J Young! |
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the United
States is not founded on christianity. I defy you to find one law or
passage in the Constitution that says otherwise. Even if some of the
founding fathers WERE christian, that proves nothing. They still went
out of thier way to make the government secular. The United States is
therefore under no obligation to adhere to christian doctrine about
homosexuality, abortion, or anything else.
There is nothing immoral about homosexuality. If you think that there
is, please describe what. Saying that the bible says that homosexuality
is wrong is NOT an explanation of why it is wrong. Keep in mind that it
is not unnatural either, since it occurs in nature. Even if it were
unnatural, that still would not explain why it is wrong. Cooking food
and wearing clothes are unnatural. Hell, computers are unnatural and
you obviously have no problem with them.
Do you also have a problem with people wearing clothing made of two
different kinds of material? The bible condemns that too. And don't try
claiming that is a metaphor. If that can be a metaphor, then anything
in the bible can be, including the stuff about homosexuality. If you
are going to claim 'old testement' on that, then what about stoning to
death disobedient children? Jesus himself condemned a town because they
didn't put that particular rule into practice.
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 12:42:08 AM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138083414.731766.113800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the United
States is not founded on christianity. I defy you to find one law or
passage in the Constitution that says otherwise. Even if some of the
founding fathers WERE christian, that proves nothing. They still went
out of thier way to make the government secular. The United States is
therefore under no obligation to adhere to christian doctrine about
homosexuality, abortion, or anything else.
Who ever said anything about the U.S. being founded on Christianity? That
doesn't mean that Christians are barred from government or can't let their
Christian upbringing be their moral compass. Homosexuality, abortion,
ect..., are not mentioned in the Constitution either
There is nothing immoral about homosexuality. If you think that there
is, please describe what. Saying that the bible says that homosexuality
is wrong is NOT an explanation of why it is wrong. Keep in mind that it
is not unnatural either, since it occurs in nature. Even if it were
unnatural, that still would not explain why it is wrong. Cooking food
and wearing clothes are unnatural. Hell, computers are unnatural and
you obviously have no problem with them.
Do you also have a problem with people wearing clothing made of two
different kinds of material? The bible condemns that too. And don't try
claiming that is a metaphor. If that can be a metaphor, then anything
in the bible can be, including the stuff about homosexuality. If you
are going to claim 'old testement' on that, then what about stoning to
death disobedient children? Jesus himself condemned a town because they
didn't put that particular rule into practice.
Please don't preach to me about the Bible. I don't quote it nor do I make
reference to it. I admire people who know it and actually live it. Myself, I
was raised Catholic and most of my religious knowledge was learned from the
nuns. I do know right from wrong, however, and I know that practicing
homosexuals are at a far higher risk of disease and pre-mature death than
homos who abstain. How is that my business? Higher taxes and higher health
insurance rates.
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| User: "KZ" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 01:35:51 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:WM-dnc77IZmEUUjeRVn-vg@giganews.com...
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Please don't preach to me about the Bible. I don't quote it nor do I make
reference to it. I admire people who know it and actually live it. Myself,
I
was raised Catholic and most of my religious knowledge was learned from
the
nuns.
I find it very curious that (in Western civilization at least) most of the
time, atheists are far better versed in the biblical texts than Christians.
It's my opinion, that for a typical individual, it is NECESSARY not to have
read the bible, except for the 'good parts' in order to accept it as the
foundation of their beliefs. The nasty bits are either glossed over,
ignored completely or some attempt at a rationalization is made.
I do know right from wrong, however, and I know that practicing
homosexuals are at a far higher risk of disease and pre-mature death than
homos who abstain. How is that my business? Higher taxes and higher health
insurance rates.
If you want to ban homosexuality because of economical/health-care reasons,
you better be prepared to ban any other 'risky' behaviours, such as:
- poor diet
- lack of excercise
- smoking
- driving
- flying
- etc.
By the way, there'd be a lot more tax dollars to go around if the church
paid thier fair share.
I encourage you to read the bible with an open mind, in all of it's glory
and then do some soul-searching. Your moderate stance against homosexuality
would become the same as those 'God Hates Fags' sign carriers if you really
did read and believe the bible. God hates a lot of things it seems. If I
may borrow from one of your own subject lines: Why is God always so
pissed-off?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 05:36:17 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:35:51 -0500, "KZ" <no@way.net> wrote:
I find it very curious that (in Western civilization at least) most of the
time, atheists are far better versed in the biblical texts than Christians.
Sooooooooooo hard that it's not true.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Jericho" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 05:51:03 PM |
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That doesn't mean that Christians are barred from government or can't >let their Christian upbringing be their moral compass.
No ones ever said that. If Christians wouldn't keep trying to enforce
their "moral compass" on everyone else, it wouldn't be an issue.
Interestingly enough, I don't need a 2000 year old book to tell me when
I'm doing something that hurts somebody else. What does that say about
those who do?
I know that practicing homosexuals are at a far higher risk of disease >and pre-mature death than homos who abstain.
Practicing homosexual couples are at no higher risk than heterosexual
couples, when both couple abstain from sex outside their relationship.
The problem is that society equates homosexuality with promiscuity,
which is just wrong.
Higher taxes and higher health insurance rates.
Are you calling for a ban on tobacco, fast food, alcohol, or guns?
These cause a lot more premature deaths than buggery. Are you against
anal sex between heterosexual couples? If homosexual couples cause
disease, by your assertion, then heterosexual couples are just as
guilty.
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| User: "martin" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 02:02:31 AM |
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J Young wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138083414.731766.113800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the United
States is not founded on christianity. I defy you to find one law or
passage in the Constitution that says otherwise. Even if some of the
founding fathers WERE christian, that proves nothing. They still went
out of thier way to make the government secular. The United States is
therefore under no obligation to adhere to christian doctrine about
homosexuality, abortion, or anything else.
Who ever said anything about the U.S. being founded on Christianity? That
doesn't mean that Christians are barred from government or can't let their
Christian upbringing be their moral compass. Homosexuality...
pursuit of happiness
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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24 Jan 2006 09:00:18 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Please don't preach to me about the Bible. I don't quote it nor do I make
reference to it. I admire people who know it and actually live it. Myself, I
was raised Catholic and most of my religious knowledge was learned from the
nuns.
Now that's an obedient Catholic.....
Jim
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 05:24:39 AM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the United
States is not founded on christianity.
More to the point, when is J Young going to get it into his thick skull
that his *****-kissing of Pope Bennydick the Nazi and The Late Pope Paul
the AIDS-spreader, his orgasmic delight at catholic doctrine, and his
hatred of homosexuality, abortion and anything involving people's free
choice is not welcome in alt.atheism.
IOW, why doesn't he just ***** and take his nasty catholic-fascist
opinions with him?
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 11:58:29 AM |
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"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138101879.003169.15130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
More to the point, when is J Young going to get it into his thick skull
that his *****-kissing of Pope Bennydick the Nazi and The Late Pope Paul
the AIDS-spreader, his orgasmic delight at catholic doctrine, and his
hatred of homosexuality, abortion and anything involving people's free
choice is not welcome in alt.atheism.
Who are you to say what is and isn't welcome in alt.atheism? Have you
annointed yourself the pope of atheism? If you personally don't like what I
post, learn to use a killfile.
IOW, why doesn't he just ***** and take his nasty catholic-fascist
opinions with him?
Why don't you find out why you are such a hostile and bitter person?
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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24 Jan 2006 12:02:33 PM |
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*Why don't you find out why you are such a hostile and bitter person?
Has it ever occured to you that, since you're provoking all this anger,
you might display the wrong attitude?
Look at it: you are daily insulted for your racist postings, NO ONE
has ever showed support for you, not even the wackiest talibans on this
newsgroup...
Could it be that you are really an evil person? Or just a troll?
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| User: "Hoof-Hearted" |
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24 Jan 2006 02:31:35 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:58:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138101879.003169.15130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
More to the point, when is J Young going to get it into his thick skull
that his *****-kissing of Pope Bennydick the Nazi and The Late Pope Paul
the AIDS-spreader, his orgasmic delight at catholic doctrine, and his
hatred of homosexuality, abortion and anything involving people's free
choice is not welcome in alt.atheism.
Who are you to say what is and isn't welcome in alt.atheism?
OK, let's have a poll: Is J Young/iBen welcome in alt.atheism?
Have you
annointed yourself the pope of atheism? If you personally don't like what I
post, learn to use a killfile.
Another poll: Do you killfile J Young/iBen or leave him out of the
killfile:
1. For sport or as an aunt sally?
2. So you can remind yourself periodically how nasty and spiteful some
theists can be?
IOW, why doesn't he just ***** and take his nasty catholic-fascist
opinions with him?
Why don't you find out why you are such a hostile and bitter person?
Talking to yourself again?
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Hey! J Young! |
24 Jan 2006 04:05:27 PM |
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"Hoof-Hearted" <hoof_hearted@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:u43dt1p2fvf4d1e80kb529b7ngr8hgc0o5@4ax.com...
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:58:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138101879.003169.15130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
More to the point, when is J Young going to get it into his thick skull
that his *****-kissing of Pope Bennydick the Nazi and The Late Pope Paul
the AIDS-spreader, his orgasmic delight at catholic doctrine, and his
hatred of homosexuality, abortion and anything involving people's free
choice is not welcome in alt.atheism.
Who are you to say what is and isn't welcome in alt.atheism?
OK, let's have a poll: Is J Young/iBen welcome in alt.atheism?
A better question: Is "J Young/IBen" welcome anywhere?
Answer: Obviously not, or he wouldn't occupy 24/7 of his pathetic life in
the desperate grasp for the attention he's clearly not getting in RL.
Have you annointed yourself the pope of atheism? If you personally don't
like what I post, learn to use a killfile.
Another poll: Do you killfile J Young/iBen or leave him out of the
killfile:
1. For sport or as an aunt sally?
2. So you can remind yourself periodically how nasty and spiteful some
theists can be?
Until "they" slow down the OCD-driven crossposted trolling runs, it's
pointless to kf 'them'.
That said, the answer is yes, and yes.
"They" dutifully serve as the perfect bad example.
IOW, why doesn't he just ***** and take his nasty catholic-fascist
opinions with him?
Why don't you find out why you are such a hostile and bitter person?
Talking to yourself again?
<ding, ding...we have a winner!>
LC~ Only killfiles the trolls that are no fun to taunt.
"Personally, I don't give a damn what anyone thinks anymore...I've taken all
the harrassment I'm going to take."
From: "J Young" <youngopini...@aol.com>, meltdown # 378.
Message-ID: <1106027022.535389.306820@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
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| User: "Syd M." |
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25 Jan 2006 08:28:50 AM |
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Hoof-Hearted wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:58:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138101879.003169.15130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
More to the point, when is J Young going to get it into his thick skull
that his *****-kissing of Pope Bennydick the Nazi and The Late Pope Paul
the AIDS-spreader, his orgasmic delight at catholic doctrine, and his
hatred of homosexuality, abortion and anything involving people's free
choice is not welcome in alt.atheism.
Who are you to say what is and isn't welcome in alt.atheism?
OK, let's have a poll: Is J Young/iBen welcome in alt.atheism?
Hell, fucking, NO!
Have you
annointed yourself the pope of atheism? If you personally don't like what I
post, learn to use a killfile.
Another poll: Do you killfile J Young/iBen or leave him out of the
killfile:
I (unfort'naly) use Google, who doesn't have killfiles.. But I do
usually skip ocer his messages, as well as Gumbo boys'..
PDW
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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24 Jan 2006 02:43:49 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:31:35 +0000, Hoof-Hearted
<hoof_hearted@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:58:29 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
"JPG" <j_peasemold_gruntfuttock@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138101879.003169.15130@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
More to the point, when is J Young going to get it into his thick skull
that his *****-kissing of Pope Bennydick the Nazi and The Late Pope Paul
the AIDS-spreader, his orgasmic delight at catholic doctrine, and his
hatred of homosexuality, abortion and anything involving people's free
choice is not welcome in alt.atheism.
Who are you to say what is and isn't welcome in alt.atheism?
OK, let's have a poll: Is J Young/iBen welcome in alt.atheism?
No.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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24 Jan 2006 08:30:13 AM |
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Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the United
States is not founded on christianity. I defy you to find one law or
passage in the Constitution that says otherwise. Even if some of the
founding fathers WERE christian, that proves nothing. They still went
out of thier way to make the government secular.
Not only did they go out of their way, they made sure that the one and only
passage in the Constitution that extends to local politics PROHIBITS any
kind of religious test or qualification:
"[N]o religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any
office or public trust under the United States. (Article VI, para 3)"
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
KiltWear - http://www.cafepress.com/KiltWear
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "duke" |
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24 Jan 2006 05:33:49 PM |
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On 23 Jan 2006 22:16:54 -0800, "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com>
wrote:
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the United
States is not founded on christianity. I defy you to find one law or
passage in the Constitution that says otherwise. Even if some of the
founding fathers WERE christian, that proves nothing. They still went
out of thier way to make the government secular. The United States is
therefore under no obligation to adhere to christian doctrine about
homosexuality, abortion, or anything else.
There is nothing immoral about homosexuality. If you think that there
is, please describe what.
A queer may not go to jail, but he's booked for eternal hell.
Saying that the bible says that homosexuality
is wrong is NOT an explanation of why it is wrong. Keep in mind that it
is not unnatural either, since it occurs in nature.
Wrong. ONly man makes a conscience and conscious decision to do so.
Even if it were
unnatural, that still would not explain why it is wrong. Cooking food
and wearing clothes are unnatural. Hell, computers are unnatural and
you obviously have no problem with them.
No they are not, but yang poking his M16 up a man's butt is unnatural.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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24 Jan 2006 11:13:58 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
On 23 Jan 2006 22:16:54 -0800, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:
When are you going to get it through your thick skull that the United
States is not founded on christianity. I defy you to find one law or
passage in the Constitution that says otherwise. Even if some of the
founding fathers WERE christian, that proves nothing. They still went
out of thier way to make the government secular. The United States is
therefore under no obligation to adhere to christian doctrine about
homosexuality, abortion, or anything else.
There is nothing immoral about homosexuality. If you think that there
is, please describe what.
A queer may not go to jail, but he's booked for eternal hell.
That doesn't answer the question. What exactly is immoral about
homosexuality? Is the answer mired in bigotry, or the appeal to
authority?
Saying that the bible says that homosexuality
is wrong is NOT an explanation of why it is wrong. Keep in mind that
it is not unnatural either, since it occurs in nature.
Wrong. ONly man makes a conscience and conscious decision to do so.
Animals (like dogs and monkeys) exhibit homosexual tendencies just like
humans do. This is proof that homosexuality happens in nature and is by
definition, natural. What's unnatural is a group of religious jackoffs
proclaiming it unnatural because it grosses them out.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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