Beautiful response. Darwin never intended his theory to insinuate

sick people would try to wipe out others by force, starvation, and

chambers. He purported that NATURE would see to the survival of the
fittest in all creatures; the human race included. Wiping out tens

thousands of people by the forces of an evil regime has nothing to

with the survival of the fittest; only that some humans can be less
than human, and that their followers are weak and pathetic, and
eventually became extinct along with Hitler; obviously not remaining

the ones to live and thrive. It may have taken an atrocity to prove
it, but they are the ones who are nearly extict, not the Jews they
tried to destroy. Laurette/Pandora

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:23:11 -0700,
Glenn <glennsheldon@SPAMqwest.net> wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:40:08 -0700,
Glenn <glennsheldon@SPAMqwest.net> wrote:

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On 23 Feb 2006 06:36:21 -0800,
david ford <dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

AC wrote in "Re: Did Darwinism Smooth the Way for Nazi

Ideology?":

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:57:32 -0500,
Khubla <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:

More of this Nazi crap. Is there a small group of

wingnuts

with a Nazi

fixation that keep posting these queer post linking the

old,

dead, and

forgotten Nazi regime with everything that creeps into

their

heads? It so

stupid and pathetic. Nazi this, Nazi that, he's a Nazi,

Nazi

caused this

last week, .......ad nausea.

Take it up with guys like Glenn Sheldon and David Ford who

fallaciously try

to link evolutionary with the Holocaust.

Do you agree with any of this Darwin?:

[1871/ 74 Darwin]"Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the

same

Aryan

stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
[1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations

of

Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected,

from

their

general similitude to the Aryans."
[Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more

frequently

occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in

others"

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

Wow! Darwin was your standard Victorian.

They have largely given up on
actually attacking the theory, and now simply play a

propaganda

game.

What is "the theory"?

<snip endless self-referential posts>

Let me pose a hypothetical question. Even if Hitler was an

adherent

of

Darwin, what precisely does that mean?

The truth, AC. It would mean that Hitler was an adherent of

Darwin.

Get it? Data, facts, evidence, all that? Let me ask you one. If

Hitler

was an adherent of Chirst, what precisely does that mean?

Not very damn much to me,

Really. That doesn't sound like what the person who said this

would

think: "The fact is that if Christians had stood up to Hitler,

well,

Hitler would
have been out of a job and likely out of the country, because

guess

what Glenn, the overwhelming majority of Germans were Christians."

Is there something invalid in that statement, Glenn?

Uh, yea. That's close enough. Various other words would suffice, but
that will do. Replace "Christians" with "meat-eaters". Only an idiot
atheist would not immediately see that the statement becomes useless.
Yes, if everyone had "stood up" to Hitler, Hitler would not have led
the Holocaust. But you want to associate "Christianity" as a force,
philosophy or religion that had the means to "stand up to" Hitler.

You
want to bring Christian principles and beliefs into question.

And much
more. It is true that many (who I would call) Christians participated
in atrocities.

However, linking their motives and actions to their
faith is another story, one that you are more than willing to exploit,
apparently however and whenever you think possible. You commit more
fallacies than I can count on one hand. And when convenient for you,
you will, and have, argued that Hitler was Christian. Other arguments,
such as when you feel it is convenient to claim that you doubt Hitler
was Christian, actually conflict with your claim that the majority of
Germans were Christians. You're a joke and a loon, AC. And hilarious.

It is a truism that if enough people had stood up to Hitler, he would
not have gained power.

But if those people had not been Christian, we
can not know whether they would have stood up to Hitler, or acted any
differently.

We don't know how many Christians it would have taken to
stand up to Hitler, or at what point in history they would have had
to, to have been successful. It a complicated world, something that I
sincerely think is beyond your ability to comprehend.

However, claiming that if *Christians* would have stood up to Hitler
that he would not have gained power is begging the question of what
ability Christians would have had over what abilities non-Christian
would have had.

I'm sure you'll have some answer, including
generalizing to absurdity the events of that time period, interspersed
with your own personal opinions. Here's a good one, AC: Claim that all
true Christians have the fortitude to forfeit their lives for any of
their beliefs.

I can provide many more examples of your philosophy, atheist

idiot.

But that should suffice to show what you think it meant, and how

much

it means to you to portray Hitler as a Christian and the Holocaust

as

a Christian phenomenon.

I don't give a damn whether Hitler was a Christian or not. I'll

wager by

the time of Mein Kampf he probably wouldn't be considered a

Christian by

most. But the fact is that Christian's did his bidding. A whole

lot of

Christians.

Your wager and "facts" are as useless as your inability to reason.

You don't give a damn, huh. Here's *just one* example where you "don't
give a damn":
"Who can say what he, or any of us for that matter, might have
believed in
private. I could just as easily say that Glenn Sheldon is an atheist
who
just enjoys trolling Usenet as an obnoxious theist. Is it true? I
doubt
it, just as I have very strong doubts that Hitler didn't believe
himself as
anything but a Christian. Whether or not he was one is something that
I
guess Christians have to decide, though if they eliminate him for his
evil
acts, then they're going to have to draw a line at which acts render
one
non-Christian. Is Martin Luther safely Christian even though he
advocated
violence against Jews? Is advocating or thinking a wicked act lesser
than
actually carrying it out."

"Hitler, from my perspective, is Christianity's problem. He grew up
in a
strongly Christian country, never said he wasn't a Christian, always
referenced God very strongly in his speeches and writings, and indeed
was
never excommunicated by Rome for any of his acts."

There is *much* more on Google, AC, but this suffices to clarify that
you do have a purpose, that you do "give a damn". "Hitler is
Christianity's problem", in a nutshell.

Here's more:

"Hitler wasn't the only German Christian killing Jews."

"If Christians don't have to represent their faith with works, then
how can
you say Hitler wasn't a Christian? I see Christians behaving badly
all the
time. I can only think of televangelists bilking little old ladies
out of
their money. How about anti-abortion types who decide to shoot
doctors who
perform abortions? Can we only tell by degree of ill-behavior, such
as a
man who believes fervently that he is saved through Jesus, but thinks
Jews
killed Jesus and thus deserve harassment and/or death, or people who
accept
that Jesus is lord and savior, but feel that what they see as the
murder of
unborn humans requires drastic action?"

You see AC, when the mood strikes you, you're liable to say anything.
A search of your posts containing Hitler and Christian reveal a
virtual treasure trove of many varied "positions" you have held
regarding something you claim you don't give a damn about.

but apparently it means a helluva lot to guys on
your side of the fence, because you keep trying to shove German
anti-semitism on to evolution.

I do? Where, in your pajama pocket?

I didn't say you, Glenny-poo.

No, you didn't say "Glenny-poo", you said "..because you keep trying
to shove...". If I am on that side of the fence, AC, how else would
*you* interpret your own statement? You're a loon.