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"les_on_usenet" |
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28 Aug 2007 10:09:13 AM |
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High Profile Christian no longer believes |
Olympic Gold medallist Jonathan Edwards and presenter of BBC Songs of
Praise no longer believes:
http://www.lordsday.co.uk/Jonathan%20Edwards.htm
The man has seen the light it seems.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: High Profile Christian no longer believes |
28 Aug 2007 11:36:17 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:09:13 +0100, les_on_usenet
<delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Olympic Gold medallist Jonathan Edwards and presenter of BBC Songs of
Praise no longer believes:
http://www.lordsday.co.uk/Jonathan%20Edwards.htm
The man has seen the light it seems.
Actually, having watched Songs of Praise by accident, I'm not entirely
surprised. It would be enough to erode the strongest faith.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: High Profile Christian no longer believes |
28 Aug 2007 10:20:26 AM |
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:09:13 +0100, les_on_usenet
<delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Olympic Gold medallist Jonathan Edwards and presenter of BBC Songs of
Praise no longer believes:
http://www.lordsday.co.uk/Jonathan%20Edwards.htm
The man has seen the light it seems.
This is extremely common.
And all they have is Flew.
An ex-Christian's research into the asymmetry of conversion:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/%7Eslocks/conversion_asymmetry.html
The same author's "Leaving Christianity" home page:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/%7Eslocks/decon.html#contents
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "bramble" |
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| Title: Re: High Profile Christian no longer believes |
29 Aug 2007 11:06:30 AM |
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On 28 ago, 16:20, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:09:13 +0100, les_on_usenet
<delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
Olympic Gold medallist Jonathan Edwards and presenter of BBC Songs of
Praise no longer believes:
http://www.lordsday.co.uk/Jonathan%20Edwards.htm
The man has seen the light it seems.
This is extremely common.
And all they have is Flew.
An ex-Christian's research into the asymmetry of conversion:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/%7Eslocks/conversion_asymmetry.html
The same author's "Leaving Christianity" home page:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/%7Eslocks/decon.html#contents
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
I was reading your papers in this link, conversion asymmetry.
Well considering this unbelievable case of an atheist that become a
Christian because of the resurrection...
There are several reasons for an atheist to become religous and none
of them is honest to me, from the font of view of reason.
To talk about resurrection is like to talk about the gospels, and to
talk about the gospels in not very different than to talk about
fiction or novels. I have read a lot about Greek mythology, and I
have found that the stories of these divinities show a lot of
variations. That is you study the myth of a god and you would find
different stories.
So, they are fiction. And sometimes, people who the story of a god
had not paid any atention to the other stories. That mean the
mytographer wrote a different novel.
So, when we peruse the gospels, we find easily the hoofmarks of the
forgers. I suppose we do not need to point where are these hoofmarks,
do we?
So, there are not any faithful witnesses, but characters in a novel
plot. So, what reasons could be find to believe these stories are not
but books of fiction?
So, there is not any sense to reason, that all those charaters that
witnessed the resurrection of Jesus could not be all liars. They are
not, they are characters in a novel. And characters are not liars.
You can posit the question of "Who invented so large body of
fiction?" Well, to answer this you have to consider the case of a
ball of snow that is thrown downhill. It grows and grows as it falls
and become a great ball when it stops.
So, the sttory of Jesus could have started a way or the other, with
very little support material. But slowly the preacher of this new
religion realized he has little verbal support for his trade; he is
aware of the need to increase his verbal arguments, for he is
repeating too much. So, in moment of inspiration he writes a short
story about Jesus, or even he find thart someone who has copied him,
has wrote such a story. So he takes it, and use it as a vehicle to
preech. Perhaps, if he is good at writting, he improves the story he
bought about Jesus, making some interpolations.
When there are too many preachers using the same mythical character
Jesus, they can copy the writers of others, and even improve them.
So for the time that Constantine Emperor decides to establish a
religion of state, he has a reach substract of many stories about
Jesus. They have only the trouble of filtering the best stories with
the less contradictions.
Some can ask, Why they do not compose an unique gospel? Perhaps there
was very well know that there were many stories. If people know that
there are several stories about Jesus, you cannot invent the idea that
there is only "one Gospel".
So, they only have to say, that some stories about Jesus contain
errors.
The reason to have gospels, or written stories, is that they were
giving the preacher a great help to entertain their sheep.
What are the reasons for an atheist to think these gospels are a
fraud?
There are many. I will tell about if someone needs to here about
this. But I dont want to repeat the content of other post here.
Bramble
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