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User: "johac"
Date: 18 Dec 2007 02:18:53 AM
Object: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks
The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.
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High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks
ASSOCIATED PRESS
December 17, 2007
MISSION VIEJO ­ A history teacher has been sued for making what one
student calls anti-Christian comments in the classroom.
The case has sparked a debate about the role a teacher's convictions
should play in their lessons.
Capistrano Valley High School sophomore Chad Farnan and his parents
filed the lawsuit against James Corbett last week.
They allege that Corbett's remarks during an advanced European history
class violated a clause in the First Amendment that prohibits the
government from promoting religious intolerance.
Court papers cited tape-recorded classroom comments that allegedly
included Corbett saying, ³When you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't
see the truth² and other remarks that troubled Farnan.
Farnan claimed Corbett's lessons were one-sided.
But Capistrano Valley junior Doug Kalagian said Corbett, who has taught
at the school for 19 years, was being sarcastic ³to help prove a point.²
Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.
The lawsuit set off passionate reactions from both sides. More than 260
comments were posted on The Orange County Register's Web site,
OCRegister.com, in response to the ongoing story.
³Corbett has been a powerful reminder to me that we 'Christians' do not
have the monopoly on truth,² Capistrano Valley High geography and
history teacher Tom Airey wrote in the Register's opinion section. ³In
an age where there is probably too much emphasis on teaching to the
standards and getting 'the facts' right, Corbett is training young
students to think critically.²
Federal and district guidelines don't ban teachers from discussing
religion, especially in a history class where discussion of religious
historical events is common. But teachers are expected to be fair and
neither promote nor denigrate religions in their treatment of the topics.
³All of his opinions would have been fine with us if he had invited
opposing points of view and the class was actually debating,² said
parent Birgit O'Hearn, 46, of Mission Viejo, who pulled her daughter out
of Corbett's class this year.
School officials were more reserved about passing judgment.
³Obviously, the district will be looking into everyone's rights and
responsibilities and the safety and welfare of the kids,² Capistrano
Unified school board President Mike Darnold said.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071217/news_1n17sued.html
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John #1782
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User: "JohnN"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christianremarks 18 Dec 2007 02:59:52 PM
On Dec 18, 3:18 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

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High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks

ASSOCIATED PRESS

December 17, 2007

MISSION VIEJO - A history teacher has been sued for making what one
student calls anti-Christian comments in the classroom.

The case has sparked a debate about the role a teacher's convictions
should play in their lessons.

Capistrano Valley High School sophomore Chad Farnan and his parents
filed the lawsuit against James Corbett last week.

They allege that Corbett's remarks during an advanced European history
class violated a clause in the First Amendment that prohibits the
government from promoting religious intolerance.

Court papers cited tape-recorded classroom comments that allegedly
included Corbett saying, =B3When you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't
see the truth=B2 and other remarks that troubled Farnan.

Farnan claimed Corbett's lessons were one-sided.

But Capistrano Valley junior Doug Kalagian said Corbett, who has taught
at the school for 19 years, was being sarcastic =B3to help prove a point.=

=B2


Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.

The lawsuit set off passionate reactions from both sides. More than 260
comments were posted on The Orange County Register's Web site,
OCRegister.com, in response to the ongoing story.

=B3Corbett has been a powerful reminder to me that we 'Christians' do not
have the monopoly on truth,=B2 Capistrano Valley High geography and
history teacher Tom Airey wrote in the Register's opinion section. =B3In
an age where there is probably too much emphasis on teaching to the
standards and getting 'the facts' right, Corbett is training young
students to think critically.=B2

Federal and district guidelines don't ban teachers from discussing
religion, especially in a history class where discussion of religious
historical events is common. But teachers are expected to be fair and
neither promote nor denigrate religions in their treatment of the topics.

=B3All of his opinions would have been fine with us if he had invited
opposing points of view and the class was actually debating,=B2 said
parent Birgit O'Hearn, 46, of Mission Viejo, who pulled her daughter out
of Corbett's class this year.

School officials were more reserved about passing judgment.

=B3Obviously, the district will be looking into everyone's rights and
responsibilities and the safety and welfare of the kids,=B2 Capistrano
Unified school board President Mike Darnold said.
---http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071217/news_1n17sued.html
--
John #1782

I wonder why Christ has to sue theteacher, doesn't he have better ways
to handle the problem, like turning the other cheek?
JohnN
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 06:06:17 PM
In article
<43aa07ee-5095-495c-bce6-e9bd75547cbd@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
JohnN <jnorris53@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 18, 3:18 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

---
High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks

ASSOCIATED PRESS

December 17, 2007

MISSION VIEJO - A history teacher has been sued for making what one
student calls anti-Christian comments in the classroom.

The case has sparked a debate about the role a teacher's convictions
should play in their lessons.

Capistrano Valley High School sophomore Chad Farnan and his parents
filed the lawsuit against James Corbett last week.

They allege that Corbett's remarks during an advanced European history
class violated a clause in the First Amendment that prohibits the
government from promoting religious intolerance.

Court papers cited tape-recorded classroom comments that allegedly
included Corbett saying, ³When you put on your Jesus glasses, you can't
see the truth² and other remarks that troubled Farnan.

Farnan claimed Corbett's lessons were one-sided.

But Capistrano Valley junior Doug Kalagian said Corbett, who has taught
at the school for 19 years, was being sarcastic ³to help prove a point.²

Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.

The lawsuit set off passionate reactions from both sides. More than 260
comments were posted on The Orange County Register's Web site,
OCRegister.com, in response to the ongoing story.

³Corbett has been a powerful reminder to me that we 'Christians' do not
have the monopoly on truth,² Capistrano Valley High geography and
history teacher Tom Airey wrote in the Register's opinion section. ³In
an age where there is probably too much emphasis on teaching to the
standards and getting 'the facts' right, Corbett is training young
students to think critically.²

Federal and district guidelines don't ban teachers from discussing
religion, especially in a history class where discussion of religious
historical events is common. But teachers are expected to be fair and
neither promote nor denigrate religions in their treatment of the topics.

³All of his opinions would have been fine with us if he had invited
opposing points of view and the class was actually debating,² said
parent Birgit O'Hearn, 46, of Mission Viejo, who pulled her daughter out
of Corbett's class this year.

School officials were more reserved about passing judgment.

³Obviously, the district will be looking into everyone's rights and
responsibilities and the safety and welfare of the kids,² Capistrano
Unified school board President Mike Darnold said.
---http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071217/news_1n17sued.html
--
John #1782


I wonder why Christ has to sue theteacher, doesn't he have better ways
to handle the problem, like turning the other cheek?

That is something that the believers honor more in theory than in
practice.


JohnN

--
John #1782
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User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 03:37:01 AM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:18:53 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

---
High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks

ASSOCIATED PRESS

December 17, 2007

MISSION VIEJO ?A history teacher has been sued for making what one
student calls anti-Christian comments in the classroom.

'Merka once again pulls the chain and flushes itself further down the
sewer.
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 06:12:47 PM
In article <j45fm3d05avsss78pni65av9tefleb34nb@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:18:53 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

---
High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks

ASSOCIATED PRESS

December 17, 2007

MISSION VIEJO ?A history teacher has been sued for making what one
student calls anti-Christian comments in the classroom.


'Merka once again pulls the chain and flushes itself further down the
sewer.

The march to theocracy rolls on.
--
John #1782
.


User: "Enkidu"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christianremarks 18 Dec 2007 02:10:48 PM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:18:53 -0800, johac wrote:

Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.

Hmmm . . . is thinking about your convictions and your faith a bad thing?
Only if they can't stand up on close inspection.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 06:10:46 PM
In article <5sqnq7F1acraqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:18:53 -0800, johac wrote:

Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.


Hmmm . . . is thinking about your convictions and your faith a bad thing?
Only if they can't stand up on close inspection.

I recall once when in a religion class, I was told by a priest that to
question one's religion, even for the sake of argument, was a sin. That
was about the time I seriously started thinking about dumping religion.
--
John #1782
.

User: "Brian E. Clark"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 02:38:48 PM
In article <5sqnq7F1acraqU1@mid.individual.net>,
Enkidu said...

Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.


Hmmm . . . is thinking about your convictions and your faith a bad thing?

A man once told me, point blank, that he'd prefer that
his grow up ignorant and uncultured, if it meant
saving the boy from the fires of hell.

Only if they can't stand up on close inspection.

If they could withstand close inspection, there would
be no need for faith in the first place.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
.

User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 02:16:08 PM
On 18 Dec 2007 20:10:48 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:18:53 -0800, johac wrote:

Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.


Hmmm . . . is thinking about your convictions and your faith a bad thing?
Only if they can't stand up on close inspection.

I doubt he did. But he probably said something to creationists who
were disrupting his class.
Capistrano School District is very close to the HQ of the ICR.
If a child does that they deserve to be kicked out.
.
User: "Syd M."

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christianremarks 18 Dec 2007 03:23:58 PM
On Dec 18, 3:16 pm, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

On 18 Dec 2007 20:10:48 GMT, Enkidu <enk...@trashmail.nl> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:18:53 -0800, johac wrote:


Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.


Hmmm . . . is thinking about your convictions and your faith a bad thing?
Only if they can't stand up on close inspection.


I doubt he did. But he probably said something to creationists who
were disrupting his class.

Capistrano School District is very close to the HQ of the ICR.

If a child does that they deserve to be kicked out.

And let the fundie assholes cry "persecution"? Even if that's exactly
what they want...
PDW
.


User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 02:35:26 PM
On 18 Dec 2007 20:10:48 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@trashmail.nl> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:18:53 -0800, johac wrote:

Supporters said Corbett routinely uses tactics in the classroom that
question the merits of religion and force students to think about their
convictions and faith.


Hmmm . . . is thinking about your convictions and your faith a bad thing?
Only if they can't stand up on close inspection.

That is exactly what their meme is worried about.
If it allows this sort of thing, it may well be comitting suidice.
It has not evolved the behaviour of it's hosts for this long to
"allow" that to happen.
.


User: "Bill Dukenfield"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christianremarks 18 Dec 2007 10:51:32 AM
johac wrote:


The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

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Speaking the truth has never been easy.
JAM
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 06:13:21 PM
In article <4767FA94.DFE0A177@nospam.net>,
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote:

johac wrote:


The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

---


Speaking the truth has never been easy.

Especially to fanatics.


JAM

--
John #1782
.
User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 06:33:25 PM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:13:21 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <4767FA94.DFE0A177@nospam.net>,
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote:

johac wrote:


The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

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Speaking the truth has never been easy.


Especially to fanatics.

The religion side should never come up. However fundies train their
kids to disrupt science and other lessons.
And unfortunately theu are allowed to get away with it.

JAM

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User: "johac"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 19 Dec 2007 12:47:53 AM
In article <sipgm3t23vp1ptpku4964kdtbl0pvi4672@4ax.com>,
Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:13:21 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <4767FA94.DFE0A177@nospam.net>,
Bill Dukenfield <BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote:

johac wrote:


The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

---


Speaking the truth has never been easy.


Especially to fanatics.


The religion side should never come up. However fundies train their
kids to disrupt science and other lessons.

True. And their parents tell them to look for signs of 'secularism' in
their teachers. Just like they used to look for Communists back in the
50s.


And unfortunately theu are allowed to get away with it.

Sadly.



JAM

--
John #1782
.



User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: High school history teacher is sued over alleged anti-Christian remarks 18 Dec 2007 02:34:09 PM
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:51:32 -0500, Bill Dukenfield
<BillDukenfield@nospam.net> wrote:

johac wrote:


The teacher tells it like it is and gets sued.

---


Speaking the truth has never been easy.

Especically not when one is surrounded by compulsive liars who are
vindictive and capriciously nasty against anyone who does not conform
to their evil power fantasies.
.



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