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Hindu Followers Caught Burying Their Own Kids! (Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS) |
Hey "Dr." Jai Maharaj, why is your religion so evil?
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=109506&Sn=WORL&IssueID=28026
"80 charged with burying children
NEW DELHI: Indian police have charged 80 people with burying children
alive in an ancient Hindu ceremony known as "the festival of pits".
The ceremony, in which children - some less than a year old - are
buried alive briefly and then dug up, happened on Monday in southern
Tamil Nadu state, a news report said yesterday.
Authorities have been trying for years to stop it and people found
guilty face up to three years in jail and or a fine of 5,000 rupees
(BD43).
Every two years, parents who have vowed to bury their first-born if
they are blessed with a child, take part in the Kuzhimattru Thiru
Vizha ceremony.
The children are drugged to make them unconscious and placed in
shallow "graves" in temple courtyards. The pits are covered with
leaves and dirt and the children are pulled out after Hindu priests
chant a brief prayer - lasting up to a minute."
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS |
17 Apr 2005 07:11:51 PM |
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Atheists and Their Fathers
By Kerby Anderson
www.probe.org
2002
How does one become an atheist? Does a person's
relationship with his earthly father affect his
relationship with his heavenly Father? These are some of
the questions we will explore in this article as we talk
about the book Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz. Vitz
is a psychologist who was an atheist himself until his
late thirties. He began to wonder if psychology played a
role in one's belief about God. After all, secular
psychologists have been saying that a belief in God is
really nothing more than infantile wish fulfillment. Dr.
Vitz wondered if the shoe was on the other foot. Could it
be that atheists are engaged in unconscious wish
fulfillment?
After studying the lives of more than a dozen of the
world's most influential atheists, Dr. Vitz discovered
that they all had one thing in common: defective
relationships with their fathers. The relationship was
defective because the father was either dead, abusive,
weak, or had abandoned the children. When he studied the
lives of influential theists during those same historical
time periods, he found they enjoyed a strong, loving
relationship with a father (or a father substitute if the
father was dead).
For example, Friedrich Nietzche lost his father (who was
a pastor) before his fifth birthday. One biographer wrote
that Nietzche was "passionately attached to his father,
and the shock of losing him was profound." Dr. Vitz
writes that Nietzche had a "strong, intellectually macho
reaction against a dead, very Christian father."
Friedrich Nietzche is best known as the philosopher who
said, "God is dead." It certainly seems possible that his
rejection of God and Christianity was a "rejection of the
weakness of his father."
Contrast Nietzche with the life of Blaise Pascal. This
famous mathematician and religious writer lived at a time
in Paris when there was considerable skepticism about
religion. He nevertheless wrote Les pensées (Thoughts), a
powerful and imaginative defense of Christianity, which
also attacked skepticism. Pascal's father, Etienne, was a
wealthy judge and also an able mathematician. He was
known as a good man with religious convictions. Pascal's
mother died when he was three, so his father gave up his
law practice and home-schooled Blaise and his sisters.
Here we are going to look at the correlation between our
relationship with our earthly father and our heavenly
Father. No matter what our family background, we are
still responsible for the choices we make. Growing up in
an unloving home does not excuse us from rejecting God,
but it does explain why some people reject God. There may
be a psychological component to their commitment to
atheism.
Nietzche and Freud
Friedrich Nietzche is a philosopher who has influenced
everyone from Adolph Hitler to the Columbine killers. His
father was a Lutheran pastor who died of a brain disease
before Nietzche's fifth birthday. He often spoke
positively of his father and said his death was a great
loss, which he never forgot. One biographer wrote that
Nietzche was "passionately attached to his father, and
the shock of losing him was profound." It seems he
associated the general weakness and sickness of his
father with his father's Christianity. Nietzche's major
criticism of Christianity was that it suffers from an
absence, even a rejection, of "life force." The God
Nietzche chose was Dionysius, a strong pagan expression
of life force. It certainly seems possible that his
rejection of God and Christianity was a "rejection of the
weakness of his father."
Nietzche's own philosophy placed an emphasis on the
"superman" along with a denigration of women. Yet his own
search for masculinity was undermined by the domination
of his childhood by his mother and female relatives in a
Christian household. Dr. Vitz says, "It is not
surprising, then, that for Nietzche Christian morality
was something for women." He concludes that Nietzche had
a "strong, intellectually macho reaction against a dead,
very Christian father who was loved and admired but
perceived as sickly and weak."
Sigmund Freud despised his Jewish father, who was a weak
man unable to support his family. Freud later wrote in
two letters that his father was a sexual pervert, and
that the children suffered as a result. Dr. Vitz believes
that Freud's Oedipus Complex (which placed hatred of the
father at the center of his psychology) was an expression
of "his strong unconscious hostility to and rejection of
his own father." His father was involved in a form of
reformed Judaism but was also a weak, passive man with
sexual perversions. Freud's rejection of God and Judaism
seems connected to his rejection of his father.
Both Nietzche and Freud demonstrate the relationship
between our attitudes toward our earthly father and our
heavenly Father. In both cases, there seems to be a
psychological component to their commitment to atheism.
Russell and Hume
Bertrand Russell was one of the most famous atheists of
the last century. Both of Russell's parents lived on the
margin of radical politics. His father died when Bertrand
Russell was four years old, and his mother died two years
earlier. He was subsequently cared for by his rigidly
puritanical grandmother, who was known as "Deadly
Nightshade." She was by birth a Scottish Presbyterian,
and by temperament a puritan. Russell's daughter
Katherine noted that his grandmother's joyless faith was
"the only form of Christianity my father knew well." This
ascetic faith taught that "the life of this world was no
more than a gloomy testing ground for future bliss." She
concluded, "My father threw this morbid belief out the
window."
Dr. Vitz points out that Russell's only other parent
figures were a string of nannies to whom he often grew
quite attached. When one of the nannies left, the eleven-
year-old Bertrand was "inconsolable." He soon discovered
that the way out of his sadness was to retreat into the
world of books.
After his early years of lost loves and later years of
solitary living at home with tutors, Russell described
himself in this way: "My most profound feelings have
remained always solitary and have found in human things
no companionship . . . . The sea, the stars, the night
wind in waste places, mean more to me than even the human
beings I love best, and I am conscious that human
affection is to me at bottom an attempt to escape from
the vain search for God."
Another famous atheist was David Hume. He was born into a
prominent and affluent family. He seems to have been on
good terms with his mother as well as his brother and
sister. He was raised as a Scottish Presbyterian but gave
up his faith and devoted most of his writing to the topic
of religion.
Like the other atheists we have discussed, David Hume
fits the pattern. His father died when he was two years
old. Biographies of his life mention no relatives or
family friends who could serve as father-figures. And
David Hume is known as a man who had no religious beliefs
and spent his life raising skeptical arguments against
religion in any form.
Both Russell and Hume demonstrate the relationship
between our attitudes toward our earthly father and our
heavenly Father. In each case, there is a psychological
component to their commitment to atheism.
Sartre, Voltaire, and Feuerbach
Jean-Paul Sartre was one of the most famous atheists of
the last century. His father died when he was fifteen
months old. He and his mother lived with his maternal
grandparents as his mother cultivated a very intimate
relationship with him. She concentrated her emotional
energy on her son until she remarried when Sartre was
twelve. This idyllic and Oedipal involvement came to an
end, and Sartre strongly rejected his stepfather. In
those formative years, Sartre's real father died, his
grandfather was cool and distant, and his stepfather took
his beloved mother away from him. The adolescent Sartre
concluded to himself, "You know what? God doesn't exist."
Commentators note that Sartre obsessed with fatherhood
all his life and never got over his fatherlessness. Dr.
Vitz concludes that "his father's absence was such a
painful reality that Jean-Paul spent a lifetime trying to
deny the loss and build a philosophy in which the absence
of a father and of God is the very starting place for the
good or authentic life."
Another philosopher during the French Enlightenment
disliked his father so much that he changed his name from
Arouet to Voltaire. The two fought constantly. At one
point Voltaire's father was so angry with his son for his
interest in the world of letters rather than taking up a
career in law that he "authorized having his son sent to
prison or into exile in the West Indies." Voltaire was
not a true atheist, but rather a deist who believed in an
impersonal God. He was a strident critic of religion,
especially Christianity with its understanding of a
personal God.
Ludwig Feuerbach was a prominent German atheist who was
born into a distinguished and gifted German family. His
father was a prominent jurist who was difficult and
undiplomatic with colleagues and family. The dramatic
event in young Ludwig's life must have been his father's
affair with the wife of one his father's friends. They
lived together openly in another town, and she bore him a
son. The affair began when Feuerbach was nine and lasted
for nine years. His father publicly rejected his family,
and years later Feuerbach rejected Christianity. One
famous critic of religion said that Feuerbach was so
hostile to Christianity that he would have been called
the Antichrist if the world had ended then.
Each of these men once again illustrates the relationship
between atheism and their fathers.
Burke and Wilberforce
British statesman Edmund Burke is considered by many as
the founder of modern conservative political thought. He
was partly raised by his grandfather and three
affectionate uncles. He later wrote of his Uncle Garret,
that he was "one of the very best men, I believe that
ever lived, of the clearest integrity, the most genuine
principles of religion and virtue." His writings are in
direct opposition to the radical principles of the French
Revolution. One of his major criticisms of the French
Revolution was its hostility to religion: "We are not
converts of Rousseau; we are not the disciples of
Voltaire; Helevetius has made no progress amongst us.
Atheists are not our preachers." For Burke, God and
religion were important pillars of a just and civil
society.
William Wilberforce was an English statesman and
abolitionist. His father died when he was nine years old,
and he was sent to live with his aunt and uncle. He was
extremely close to his uncle and to John Newton who was a
frequent visitor to their home. Newton was a former slave
trader who converted to Christ and wrote the famous hymn
"Amazing Grace." Wilberforce first heard of the evils of
slavery from Newton's stories and sermons, "even
reverencing him as a parent when [he] was a child."
Wilberforce was an evangelical Christian who went on to
serve in parliament and was instrumental in abolishing
the British slave trade.
As mentioned earlier, Blaise Pascal was a famous
mathematician and religious writer. Pascal's father was a
wealthy judge and also an able mathematician, known as a
good man with religious convictions. Pascal's mother died
when he was three, so his father gave up his law practice
and home-schooled Blaise and his sisters. Pascal went on
to powerfully present a Christian perspective at a time
when there was considerable skepticism about religion in
France.
I believe Paul Vitz provides an important look at
atheists and theists in his book Faith of the Fatherless.
The prominent atheists of the last few centuries all had
defective relationships with their fathers while the
theists enjoyed a strong, loving relationship with a
father or a father substitute. This might be something to
compassionately consider the next time you witness to an
atheist.
http://www.probe.org/docs/atheists.html
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Posted on 4/17/2005 3:15:50 PM by Tailgunner Joe
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interesting article
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:17:21 PM by 1FASTGLOCK45
(FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown
like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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-To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't believe in atheists. I think they simply reject,
vice don't believe. The burden is on them to prove
otherwise. Or do they just want me to accept it on faith?
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:25:10 PM by SampleMan
("Yes I am drunk, very drunk. But you madam are ugly,
and tomorrow morning I shall be sober." WSC)
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-To: Tailgunner Joe
"How does one become an atheist?"
Either vaginally or by c-section ;^)
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:27:43 PM by elfman2
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"The burden is on them to prove otherwise. "
Then it's your burden to disprove every religion you
don't believe in.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:29:39 PM by elfman2
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I don't believe in atheists. I think they simply
reject, vice don't believe. The burden is on them to
prove otherwise.
Actually, it's more difficult to prove a negative,
therefore the burden of proof should be on the faithful.
But please don't bother me, I've already chosen a deity.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:31:21 PM by Wormwood
(Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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-To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't buy it. I had a great relationship with my dad
growing up and (despite his infuriating adherence to the
Democrats and their ilk) I still do.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:31:38 PM by Zeroisanumber
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Any thought on Darwin? Anyone?
He fits this category as well as Voltaire but I
understand his father was largely responsible for much of
his theories on evolution. Without a doubt Darwin is THE
patron saint of atheists. I have not heard about the
nature of their relationship but his father's theories
clearly influenced his work.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:33:58 PM by Mark in the Old South
(Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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-To: Tailgunner Joe
I believe most athiests are of the "doubting Thomas"
types. If they cannot touch, smell and taste something,
it must not exist. I personally think it is a lack of
faith that causes most athiests to not believe in God.
Can any of us prove beyond a shadow of doubt that God
exists? I know I can't. But there are enough signs around
me, tangeable and intangeable, and my faith allows me to
believe that he does in fact exist. And for me that's
enough.
The easiest way to put an athiest on the defensive is to
tell them "if you live your life as if there's no God,
you better hope you're correct"
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:34:24 PM by stm
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Ever get a chance to see this?
http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=135
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:34:58 PM by Zeroisanumber
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snicker. They're "born that way," just like queers.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:35:08 PM by Tailgunner Joe
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Then it's your burden to disprove every religion you
don't believe in.
Not really. Its their burden to prove theirs is actually
connected to God. 2 religions Judism and Christianity
are. The rest are not.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:36:19 PM by Bommer
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"Without a doubt Darwin is THE patron saint of
atheists."
I couldn't care less about him. He's about as relevant to
my life as Orville Wright.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:36:44 PM by elfman2
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Ever get a chance to see this? See it?
It was my Windows background for months. ;-)
Hail Cthulhu (but at least I ain't no stinkin' athiest,
right?)
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:37:23 PM by Wormwood
(Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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-To: Tailgunner Joe
Note George Soro's is on this list!
THE ATHEIST AND THE MATERIALIST
those who have no need for gods and some who have no need
for the supernatural
Forrest J. Ackerman
Phillip Adams
Brandy Alexandre
Woody Allen
Shulamit Aloni
Thomas J. Altizer
Natalie Angier
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Madison Arnold
Peter William Atkins
Russell Baker
Iain M. Banks
Clive Barker
Dan Barker
MC Paul Barman
Dave Barry
Richard Bartle
Steve Benson
Ingmar Bergman
Björk
Bill Blass
Jim Bohanan
Sir Herman Bondi
Pierre Boulez
T. Coraghessan Boyle
Nathaniel Branden
Marlon Brando
Richard Branson
Rodney Brooks
Andrew Brown
Peter Buck
Warren Buffett
John Byrne
Dean Cameron
George Carlin
John Carmack
Adam Carolla
John Carpenter
Asia Carrera
Fidel Castro
***** Cavett
Stephen Chapman
Vic Chesnutt
Noam Chomsky
Mohammed Choukri
Chumbawamba
Paul and Patricia Churchland
Alexander Cockburn
John Conway
Alex Cox
Francis Crick
David Cronenberg
David Cross
Alan Cumming
Justin Currie
Ron Dakron
Julia Darling
William B. Davis
Richard Dawkins
Daniel Dennett
David Deutsch
Ani DiFranco
Micky Dolenz
Amanda Donohoe
Roddy Doyle
Paul Draper
Patrick Duffy
Dean Edell
Paul Edwards
Greg Egan
Barbara Ehrenreich
Paul Ehrlich
Albert Ellis
Warren Ellis
Harlan Ellison
Garth Ennis
Brian Eno
Diane Farr
David Feherty
Jules Feiffer
Larry Fessenden
Harvey Fierstein
Nuno Filipe
Filter
Bob Fingerman
Antony Flew
Larry Flynt
Dario Fo
Dave Foley
James Forman
Jodie Foster
John Fowles
Robin Lane Fox
Kinky Friedman
Janeane Garofalo
Bill Gates
Bob Geldof
Jack Germond
Ira Glass
Jean Luc Godard
Al Goldstein
Nadine Gordimer
Greg Graffin
Spalding Gray
Seth Green
Stephen Greenblatt
Rachel Griffiths
Joe Haldeman
Alan Hale
Kathleen Hanna
Harry Harrison
Nina Hartley
Roy Hattersley
James A. Haught
Bill Hayden
Judith Hayes
Nat Hentoff
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Paul Hester
Christopher Hitchens
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Nicholas Humphrey
Derek Humphry
Stephan Jenkins
Penn Jillette
Angelina Jolie
Neil Jordan
Joachim Kahl
Jonathan Katz
Kawaljeet Kaur
Ludovic Kennedy
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Florence King
Neil Kinnock
W. P. Kinsella
Michael Kinsley
Melvin Konner
Frank Kozik
Kramer
Paul Krassner
Milan Kundera
Paul Kurtz
Ring Lardner Jr.
Mr. Lavanam
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Alexander I. Lebed
Tom Lehrer
Mike Leigh
Stanislaw Lem
Gerda Lerner
Michael Lewis
Tom Leykis
John Lydon
John Malkovich
Barry Manilow
Shirley Manson
Michael Martin
Nick Mason
John McCarthy
Malachy McCourt
Ian McEwan
Todd McFarlane
Montana McGlynn
Sir Ian McKellen
Alexander McQueen
Jonathan Meades
Antonio Mendoza
Tom Metzger
Arthur Miller
Mike Mills
Marvin Minsky
Warren Mitchell
Momus
John Money
Hans Moravec
Max More
Henry Morgentaler
Desmond Morris
James Morrow
John Mortimer
Frank Mullen
Taslima Nasrin
Ramendra Nath
Ted Nelson
Randy Newman
Mike Nichols
Jack Nicholson
Kai Nielsen
Oscar Niemeyer
Robert Nozick
Gary Numan
Ronald Numbers
Bob Odenkirk
Camille Paglia
Andy Partridge
Robert Patrick
Mark Pauline
Leonard Peikoff
Paul Pfalzner
Julia Phillips
Ferdinand Piech
Katha Pollitt
Paula Poundstone
Vladimir Pozner
Terry Pratchett
Paul Provenza
Ted Rall
James Randi
Ron Reagan Jr.
Christopher Reeve
Rick Reynolds
Griff Rhys-Jones
Mordecai Richler
Matt Ridley
Brian Ritchie
Brad Roberts
Chris Robinson
Neil Rogers
Richard Rorty
Arundhati Roy
Jane Rule
Salman Rushdie
Mona Sahlin
Sebastião Salgado
Robert Sapolsky
José Saramago
Pamela Sargent
John Sayles
Eugenie Scott
Captain Sensible
Nick Seymour
Robert I. Sherman
Michael Shermer
Claude Simon
Slayer
J.J.C. Smart
George H. Smith
Robert Smith
Lee Smolin
Steven Soderbergh
Ed Sorel
Annika Sörenstam
George Soros
Richard Stallman
Peter Steele
Bruce Sterling
Howard Stern
J. Michael Straczynski
Ken Stringfellow
Donald Sutherland
Julia Sweeney
Matthew Sweet
Teller
Studs Terkel
Tool
Linus Torvalds
Ted Turner
Eddie Vedder
Gore Vidal
Kurt Vonnegut Jr.
Sarah Vowell
Matt Wagner
Annika Walter
James Watson
Steven Weinberg
Joss Whedon
Harland Williams
Ian Wilmut
Lewis Wolpert
Steve Wozniak
Bruce Wright
Zarkov
Nick Zedd
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:37:48 PM by Beth528
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Wonder if this will get some howling from certain
individuals on FR.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:38:49 PM by Tench_Coxe
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I didn't ask you if you cared about him, I don't care
about him, but he pokes a hole in this balloon. I suspect
the article is largely true but perhaps it paints with
too broad a brush.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:42:01 PM by Mark in the Old South
(Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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"snicker. They're "born that way," just like queers."
Fortunately most Christian aren't so unhappy with
themselves that they have to slander others to get
through the day.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:43:31 PM by elfman2
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You can count on it.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:43:50 PM by anniegetyourgun
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"interesting article."
I'll second that. I've just sent it around to about 100
friends on my email list, but it's so profound, extensive
(exhaustive!) and so complete that it leaves little room
for commentary. The writer has pretty much covered the
topic.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:45:25 PM by CHARLITE
(I lost my car keys.....and now I have to walk
everywhere...)
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"Not really."
You're right. I was just illustrating one absurd claim
with another.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:46:02 PM by elfman2
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I was only kidding. I don't really think queers are "born
that way" either. I believe in free will, not biological
determinism.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:47:41 PM by Tailgunner Joe
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good article -thanks.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:49:46 PM by silverleaf
(Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY
ride.)
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Ping. Oh, how critical this factor is...as the original
design was intended. Without it, the unpardonable sin
breaks through. (Mal. 4:5-6)
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:49:48 PM by anniegetyourgun
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No problem.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:50:51 PM by elfman2
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How did they qualify for inclusion on the list?
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:51:17 PM by Sam Cree
(Democrats are herd animals)
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"I don't believe in atheists."
I don't really believe in them either.
Posted on 4/17/2005 3:56:35 PM by jocon307
(Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again!)
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Are you saying that Hindus and Muslims don't believe in
God?
Posted on 4/17/2005 4:00:50 PM by pa mom
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-To: Sam Cree
http://www.celebatheists.com/
Posted on 4/17/2005 4:03:04 PM by Beth528
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-To: SampleMan
I don't believe in atheists. I think they simply
reject, vice don't believe. The burden is on them to
prove otherwise. Or do they just want me to accept it
on faith?
I've have some serious contact with a few and it's only
my opinion, but it's all being a fear based, knee
jerker... combined with some need to be a Jesus, him, or
her, self, and lead us all into the promised waste lands
of how scared he or she is. ... and "I'll take everyone
to that dark hole I can, so long as I don't have to go
alone" ... thinking.
No logical arguement, no science, no grasp of the obvious
evidence stinging you in the face. Some, I believe, are
ridiculous to make others step up. All their choice. The
rules have been made... the top has been spun... choose
wisely.
Posted on 4/17/2005 4:03:07 PM by USCG SimTech
(Honored to serve since '71)
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-To: pa mom
Hindus are big on gods....lots and lots of 'em.....
Posted on 4/17/2005 4:03:14 PM by anniegetyourgun
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-To: anniegetyourgun
I think there is one God who revealed himself by
different means to different groups. After all, we are
all created in his image. It's not like Hindus have
multiple arms! (Oh yeah, well, their statues do!)
Posted on 4/17/2005 4:08:56 PM by pa mom
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End of forwarded messages from:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1385620/posts
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Hindu Holocaust Museum
http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
http://www.hindu.org
http://www.hindunet.org
The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36.
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18 Apr 2005 12:47:28 PM |
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(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote ...
Atheists and Their Fathers
By Kerby Anderson
www.probe.org
2002
How does one become an atheist?
In the first place, how does one become a theist, given that everyone
is born an atheist?
After studying the lives of more than a dozen of the
world's most influential atheists, Dr. Vitz discovered
that they all had one thing in common: defective
relationships with their fathers. The relationship was
defective because the father was either dead, abusive,
weak, or had abandoned the children. When he studied the
lives of influential theists during those same historical
time periods, he found they enjoyed a strong, loving
relationship with a father (or a father substitute if the
father was dead).
For example, Friedrich Nietzche lost his father (who was
a pastor) before his fifth birthday. One biographer wrote
that Nietzche was "passionately attached to his father,
and the shock of losing him was profound." Dr. Vitz
writes that Nietzche had a "strong, intellectually macho
reaction against a dead, very Christian father."
Friedrich Nietzche is best known as the philosopher who
said, "God is dead." It certainly seems possible that his
rejection of God and Christianity was a "rejection of the
weakness of his father."
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| User: "TD" |
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| Title: Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS |
20 Apr 2005 04:19:47 AM |
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On 19 Apr 2005 21:11:01 -0700, (Arindam Banerjee)
wrote:
Someone asked:
How does one become an atheist?
Arindam Banerjee (a Hindu fundy replied):
From bad, stupid, dull, sly, pretentious, abusive, unethical,
uncreative, miserable and potentially and actually murderous company,
speaking from my experience of the
Naxalites/CPM/idiot-intellectuals/etc.
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(M. Ranjit Mathews) asked:
In the first place, how does one become a theist, given that
everyone
is born an atheist?
Arindam Banerjee (a Hindu fundy replied):
Those born in an atheist society (in the USSR and elsewhere) have
revolted against that society and destroyed it comprehensively. They
were born as atheists with no theism around at all. Why did they
change so drastically? If atheist societies had any worth, those
societies would have survived.
These hilarious replies are going into my archives.
TD
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| User: "Richo" |
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17 Apr 2005 10:02:36 PM |
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Dr. Jai Maharaj Apr 17, 5:11 pm wrote:
Atheists and Their Fathers
Not again! How many times do you idiots have to post this?
How does one become an atheist?
In many ways.
Some never "become" atheist - they never take up the worship of false
gods in the first instance and so have no gods to reject.
And since they never reject a god it follows by watertight logic they
dont require a reson for this non-act.
Does a person's
relationship with his earthly father affect his
relationship with his heavenly Father?
No.
After studying the lives of more than a dozen of the
world's most influential atheists, Dr. Vitz discovered
that they all had one thing in common: defective
relationships with their fathers.
Therefore God exists?
How pathetically stupid.
Mark.
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| User: "TD" |
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| Title: Re: Hindu Followers Caught Burying Their Own Kids! (Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS) |
18 Apr 2005 03:02:06 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey "Dr." Jai Maharaj, why is your religion so evil?
Because the Fundy variety is?
This Jai character is a Hindu Fundy no-brainer. Having any sort of
logical discusssion with him is simply not possible. If you notice when
a discussion is in place the best he can do is add a quick comment or
simply cut n paste some funny article into the thread.
When one seriously examines Hinduism closely it is a real eye opener.
You begin to learn things the Fundamentalists wish you had never seen.
TD
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http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=109506&Sn=WORL&IssueID=28026
"80 charged with burying children
NEW DELHI: Indian police have charged 80 people with burying children
alive in an ancient Hindu ceremony known as "the festival of pits".
The ceremony, in which children - some less than a year old - are
buried alive briefly and then dug up, happened on Monday in southern
Tamil Nadu state, a news report said yesterday.
Authorities have been trying for years to stop it and people found
guilty face up to three years in jail and or a fine of 5,000 rupees
(BD43).
Every two years, parents who have vowed to bury their first-born if
they are blessed with a child, take part in the Kuzhimattru Thiru
Vizha ceremony.
The children are drugged to make them unconscious and placed in
shallow "graves" in temple courtyards. The pits are covered with
leaves and dirt and the children are pulled out after Hindu priests
chant a brief prayer - lasting up to a minute."
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1555 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and
mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: Hindu Followers Caught Burying Their Own Kids! (Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS) |
18 Apr 2005 09:07:50 PM |
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On 18 Apr 2005 01:02:06 -0700, "TD" <yulingaz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Hey "Dr." Jai Maharaj, why is your religion so evil?
Because the Fundy variety is?
This Jai character is a Hindu Fundy no-brainer. Having any sort of
logical discusssion with him is simply not possible. If you notice when
a discussion is in place the best he can do is add a quick comment or
simply cut n paste some funny article into the thread.
When one seriously examines Hinduism closely it is a real eye opener.
You begin to learn things the Fundamentalists wish you had never seen.
Fair enough. I'm willing to hear it out.
TD
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http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=109506&Sn=WORL&IssueID=28026
"80 charged with burying children
NEW DELHI: Indian police have charged 80 people with burying children
alive in an ancient Hindu ceremony known as "the festival of pits".
The ceremony, in which children - some less than a year old - are
buried alive briefly and then dug up, happened on Monday in southern
Tamil Nadu state, a news report said yesterday.
Authorities have been trying for years to stop it and people found
guilty face up to three years in jail and or a fine of 5,000 rupees
(BD43).
Every two years, parents who have vowed to bury their first-born if
they are blessed with a child, take part in the Kuzhimattru Thiru
Vizha ceremony.
The children are drugged to make them unconscious and placed in
shallow "graves" in temple courtyards. The pits are covered with
leaves and dirt and the children are pulled out after Hindu priests
chant a brief prayer - lasting up to a minute."
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1555 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and
mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1558 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "TD" |
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| Title: Re: Hindu Followers Caught Burying Their Own Kids! (Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS) |
19 Apr 2005 03:06:32 AM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Fair enough. I'm willing to hear it out.
LOL you inadvertently (or purposely) hit upon one such hot spot in
another of your posts; the caste (jati and varna) system of India. :-D
I am not procrastinating but to be honest this topic of Hinduism is so
large it would take volumes to go into it. Here are a few points you
might find interesting:
Theory related fallacies:
1. All languages stemmed from Sanskrit.
1a. All Indian languages stemmed from Sanskrit (a modified version of
the above theory)
2. Major civilizations, cultures (and various sciences) all stemmed
from India (related to the 'out of India' Theory)
2a. Some Fundamentalists go so far as to say that Hinduism is the basis
for all civilization, sciences and discoveries.
2b. The Vedas hold scientific truths that still have not been
discovered.
3. All of India's problems stem from: Buddhists, Muslims, Christians,
The British, anti-Hindu's (atheists, etc) in other words almost
everyone and everything but themselves or their religion.
4. Hinduism goes back 10's of thousands years (and can go back
millions) according to their internal dating system (based on
astrology). The Vedas are timeless.
Partial Fallacies:
5. Atheism is a valid part of Hinduism (said mainly to Westerners) this
is only partially true amongst liberal or modern (tolerant) Hindu's but
atheism is a curse amongst the Fundamentalist Hindu's and is a bad
thing in their own writings.
6. Hinduism is tolerant (History and their own Scriptures) contradict
much of this as do the Fundys of today. The persecution of Buddhists
(considered atheists by some) attest to this.
Abusive beliefs:
7. Caste (jati & varna) and the treatment of lower castes.
8. Punishments (especially for the lower castes)
9. Human Sacrifice (minority belief)
10. Sati (Sutee) widow burning
11. Female infanticide
12. The treatment of women (especially the treatment of low caste
women)
Funny beliefs:
13. Dead Horse sacrifice and its sexual content (along with other funny
rituals)
14. Vedic & Hindu medicine (along with its mantras).
15. Vedic & Hindu science (as above you really have to check it out)
16. 101 babies born as one lump of flesh and kept in jars for 2 years
17. Necrophilia
Funny 'god' related items
These are all related to the actions (and occurrences) of their gods:
18. Mountains of semen produced
19. Incest
20. Killing a demon by 'screwing it to death'
21. one god had sex with thousands of girls and ended up having to kill
all of the offspring.
22. Mountain lifting (with one finger)
23. Rishi having sex with animals (they transformed into animals)
24. Premature ejaculation (one god couldn't quite contain himself)
25. gods are seduced
26. gods steal, take away clothes etc ......
...... Oh the list is way to long but the few examples above should give
you some pointers.
Given time I may go into the above (with sources naturally) and a few
other things I probably have forgotten.
BTW there are two main reasons I decided to put together some brief
articles related to Hinduism:
1. Hindu Fundys (jai etc) annoy me on a.a.
2. A lot has already been written by atheism on Christianity (and a
little on Islam) so I decided to focus on 'religions' that are not
written about that much.
TD
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1558 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and
mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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19 Apr 2005 10:19:03 PM |
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On 19 Apr 2005 01:06:32 -0700, "TD" <yulingaz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Fair enough. I'm willing to hear it out.
LOL you inadvertently (or purposely) hit upon one such hot spot in
another of your posts; the caste (jati and varna) system of India. :-D
Well, I vaguely know about the untouchables in India so I wiki'ed it
up.
I am not procrastinating but to be honest this topic of Hinduism is so
large it would take volumes to go into it. Here are a few points you
might find interesting:
Actually, I am grateful for the information. I may not believe in
Hinduism, but it's nice to get a better sense of the history et al...
Theory related fallacies:
1. All languages stemmed from Sanskrit.
1a. All Indian languages stemmed from Sanskrit (a modified version of
the above theory)
2. Major civilizations, cultures (and various sciences) all stemmed
from India (related to the 'out of India' Theory)
2a. Some Fundamentalists go so far as to say that Hinduism is the basis
for all civilization, sciences and discoveries.
2b. The Vedas hold scientific truths that still have not been
discovered.
3. All of India's problems stem from: Buddhists, Muslims, Christians,
The British, anti-Hindu's (atheists, etc) in other words almost
everyone and everything but themselves or their religion.
4. Hinduism goes back 10's of thousands years (and can go back
millions) according to their internal dating system (based on
astrology). The Vedas are timeless.
Partial Fallacies:
5. Atheism is a valid part of Hinduism (said mainly to Westerners) this
is only partially true amongst liberal or modern (tolerant) Hindu's but
atheism is a curse amongst the Fundamentalist Hindu's and is a bad
thing in their own writings.
6. Hinduism is tolerant (History and their own Scriptures) contradict
much of this as do the Fundys of today. The persecution of Buddhists
(considered atheists by some) attest to this.
Abusive beliefs:
7. Caste (jati & varna) and the treatment of lower castes.
8. Punishments (especially for the lower castes)
9. Human Sacrifice (minority belief)
10. Sati (Sutee) widow burning
11. Female infanticide
12. The treatment of women (especially the treatment of low caste
women)
Funny beliefs:
13. Dead Horse sacrifice and its sexual content (along with other funny
rituals)
14. Vedic & Hindu medicine (along with its mantras).
15. Vedic & Hindu science (as above you really have to check it out)
16. 101 babies born as one lump of flesh and kept in jars for 2 years
17. Necrophilia
Funny 'god' related items
These are all related to the actions (and occurrences) of their gods:
18. Mountains of semen produced
19. Incest
20. Killing a demon by 'screwing it to death'
21. one god had sex with thousands of girls and ended up having to kill
all of the offspring.
22. Mountain lifting (with one finger)
23. Rishi having sex with animals (they transformed into animals)
24. Premature ejaculation (one god couldn't quite contain himself)
25. gods are seduced
26. gods steal, take away clothes etc ......
..... Oh the list is way to long but the few examples above should give
you some pointers.
Given time I may go into the above (with sources naturally) and a few
other things I probably have forgotten.
BTW there are two main reasons I decided to put together some brief
articles related to Hinduism:
1. Hindu Fundys (jai etc) annoy me on a.a.
2. A lot has already been written by atheism on Christianity (and a
little on Islam) so I decided to focus on 'religions' that are not
written about that much.
Indeed.
TD
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka
aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1558 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and
mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1559 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Jez" |
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22 Apr 2005 07:37:00 PM |
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TD wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Fair enough. I'm willing to hear it out.
Snippage......
24. Premature ejaculation (one god couldn't quite contain himself)
Eeeewww ! There's a god of premature ejaculation ????
Do they call him 'squirty' ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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22 Apr 2005 07:40:10 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:Mo6dnbIFYPo3BfTfRVnyhg@pipex.net...
TD wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Fair enough. I'm willing to hear it out.
Snippage......
24. Premature ejaculation (one god couldn't quite contain himself)
Eeeewww ! There's a god of premature ejaculation ????
Do they call him 'squirty' ?
No, I believe you're thinking of the great god "Whoops" ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Bride of Satan
#1557
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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23 Apr 2005 06:28:54 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@NODAMNSPAMpipex.com> wrote in message
news:Mo6dnbIFYPo3BfTfRVnyhg@pipex.net...
TD wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:
Fair enough. I'm willing to hear it out.
Snippage......
24. Premature ejaculation (one god couldn't quite contain himself)
Eeeewww ! There's a god of premature ejaculation ????
Do they call him 'squirty' ?
No, I believe you're thinking of the great god "Whoops" ;)
Or "Howwasitforyoudear".
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "TD" |
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| Title: Re: Hindu Followers Caught Burying Their Own Kids! (Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS) |
23 Apr 2005 05:47:37 AM |
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Jez wrote:
TD wrote:
24. Premature ejaculation (one god couldn't quite contain himself)
Eeeewww! There's a god of premature ejaculation ????
Not that I know of :-D
In the Hindu Puranas one reads about the 'god' Brahma who arranged the
marriage of the 'god' Shiva to the 'goddess' Parvathi. When they went
around the fire (a Hindu marriage ritual) Shiva looked at the thighs of
the 'goddess' Parvathi and ejaculated his semen into the Fire from this
the Rishis (holy priests) were born.
Another funny incident (a bit OT)
In the Valmiki Ramayana, King Janaka (Sita's father) recounts the birth
of Sita ('god' Rama's wife):
Janaka:
"Now, one day when I was in the sacrificial grounds, I saw the
celestial nymph, Menaka, flying through the sky, and this thought came
to me:
'If I should have a child in her, what a child that would be!'
As I was thinking in this way, my semen fell on the ground.
And afterwards, as I was ploughing that field, there arose out of the
earth, as first fruits, my daughter, who has celestial beauty and
qualities, and can only be won by one whose bride price is his
manliness.
Since she arose from the surface of the earth, and was born from no
womb, she is called Sita, the furrow.'"
-- Ramayana 1:65 (Devanagari manuscript w-1455).
-- O'Flaherty, Wendy D. Textual Sources for the Study of Hinduism.
(p.59).
Do they call him 'squirty'?
LOL.
TD
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too
often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of
what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "TD" |
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| Title: Re: Hindu Followers Caught Burying Their Own Kids! (Re: ATHEISTS AND THEIR FATHERS) |
23 Apr 2005 06:08:16 AM |
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TD wrote:
Jez wrote:
TD wrote:
24. Premature ejaculation (one god couldn't quite contain himself)
Eeeewww! There's a god of premature ejaculation ????
Not that I know of :-D
In the Hindu Puranas one reads about the 'god' Brahma who arranged
the
marriage of the 'god' Shiva to the 'goddess' Parvathi. When they went
around the fire (a Hindu marriage ritual) Shiva looked at the thighs
of
the 'goddess' Parvathi and ejaculated his semen into the Fire from
this
the Rishis (holy priests) were born.
Another funny incident (a bit OT)
In the Valmiki Ramayana, King Janaka (Sita's father) recounts the
birth
of Sita ('god' Rama's wife):
Janaka:
"Now, one day when I was in the sacrificial grounds, I saw the
celestial nymph, Menaka, flying through the sky, and this thought
came
to me:
'If I should have a child in her, what a child that would be!'
As I was thinking in this way, my semen fell on the ground.
And afterwards, as I was ploughing that field, there arose out of the
earth, as first fruits, my daughter, who has celestial beauty and
qualities, and can only be won by one whose bride price is his
manliness.
Since she arose from the surface of the earth, and was born from no
womb, she is called Sita, the furrow.'"
-- Ramayana 1:65 (Devanagari manuscript w-1455).
-- O'Flaherty, Wendy D. Textual Sources for the Study of Hinduism.
(p.59).
I forgot this funny myth err I meant 'sacred truth'.
The following takes place at Lord Siva's wedding:
"Brahma saw the beautiful face (or feet) of Parvati at the wedding, and
he became excited and shed his seed upon the ground.
In fear of Siva, he began to make the seed barren, but Siva said,
'Brahma, you should not kill Brahmins, and these are great sages.'
Then 88,000 tapasvins (ascetics) were born from the seed ..."
-- Brahma Purana 72:18
-- Vamana Purana 27:56-9; cf. Siva Purana, Jnanasamhita 18:62-8
-- Siva Purana 2:3:49:3-10
-- Skanda Purana 1:1:26:15-22.
Do they call him 'squirty'?
LOL.
TD
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