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02 Mar 2005 04:36:52 PM |
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"Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of course
is based on the birth of Christ."
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phillip brown
"***** doesn't just happen. there is always an *****-hole involved"
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
03 Mar 2005 01:17:57 AM |
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"Phillip Brown" <phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.03.02.22.36.49.251571@netscape.net...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of course
is based on the birth of Christ."
--
phillip brown
"***** doesn't just happen. there is always an *****-hole involved"
Yeha our calendar is based on the birth of some one who probably didn't
exist and other cultures have their own calendar.
PC gone mad
Yeah....
When are we moving to stardates?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
03 Mar 2005 01:22:04 AM |
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In article <pan.2005.03.02.22.36.49.251571@netscape.net>,
Phillip Brown <phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Oppositi
on-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of course
is based on the birth of Christ."
The Sumerians devised a calendar about 5000 years ago, so why not make
this the year 5000, period, and continue from there.
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa070701a.htm
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John Hachmann aa #1782
Intelligent Design has as much to do with science as reality
television has to do with reality. - Barry Lynn on CNN 12/25/04
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
02 Mar 2005 05:41:09 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:36:52 +1100, Phillip Brown
<phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
*****. BCE is the world standard, used in all countries not just
Christian theocracies.
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of course
is based on the birth of Christ."
The alleged birth of Christ.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
02 Mar 2005 07:36:02 PM |
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:41:09 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> said in alt.atheism:
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of course
is based on the birth of Christ."
The alleged birth of Christ.
Not even. It's "based on" pure guesswork.
http://www.westarinstitute.org/Periodicals/4R_Articles/Dionysius/dionysius.html
And this is the Christian viewpoint, not something an atheist made up,
so the Christaholics can't ***** about it.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains
premature today."
- Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
03 Mar 2005 03:54:43 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:36:52 +1100, Phillip Brown
<phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
Why gone mad? It makes perfect sense to me. It is certainly stupid to
base our years on some mostly legendary ans shadowy figure whose
birthdate we don't actually know simply because some religious sect
wanted it
It is now too late to choose a more epoch making event and start
changing our years round but by secularising the name we can at
least help make the years more universally acceptable across the
worlds culture instead of confining it just to legacy Christian ones.
It is a modern term and I have used it for years now. There is always
some people who like to stand in the way of progress I guess :-(
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of course
is based on the birth of Christ.
Of course, that how they were brougth up. I was brought up using the
Imperial system of weights and measure and although I am in favour
of the much more logical metric system cling to Imperial because I
an relate better to it.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
03 Mar 2005 06:48:43 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:36:52 +1100, Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
Poor, persecuted Christians. Losing another bit of implicit
government endorsement. This is secular humanism gone sane!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
03 Mar 2005 07:01:56 AM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:48:43 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:36:52 +1100, Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
Poor, persecuted Christians. Losing another bit of implicit
government endorsement. This is secular humanism gone sane!
And that's the problem. When people are accustomed to getting away
with something they see this as a right. When it stops they get upset.
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: "Historic shift from BC far too PC" |
02 Mar 2005 05:17:59 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:36:52 +1100, Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It
appears that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by
the Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of
course is based on the birth of Christ."
Here is my Letter to the editor
"
Christians appear to be so fragile in their faith, they need reassurance
even in the calendar we use (Historic shift from BC far too PC, Opposition
says 3/3/2005).
The Islamic calendar is based upon 622 CE, the year of the Hegira, when
the Prophet Muhammad traveled from Mecca to Medina. The Jewish calendar is
based on their belief of the date that the universe was created: 3761 BCE.
Most Eastern Orthodox Churches continue to use the Julian calendar. It is
currently 13 days later than the Gregorian calendar. Not to mention Bahai,
Hindu, Sikh, Zoroastrian, Mayan. Who could forget 'Year 0' in Pol Pot's
Cambodia?
The fact the world, as an international standard, chooses to use the
Gregorian, as its 'Common' calendar, is no reflection on the historical
accuracy or popularity of the Christian mythology. 'BCE' is the more
accurate, and inclusive, term.
In any case, shouldn't the Christian calendar be based on the date of the
resurrection - a far more significant event in the story of Christ than
his birth, and the basis for the Christian faith?"
--
phillip brown
"***** doesn't just happen. there is always an *****-hole involved"
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| User: "" |
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02 Mar 2005 11:18:35 PM |
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Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known
as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It
appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
It seem striving for accuracy in the calendar is as welcome
with xianazis as is striving for accuracy in science.
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
I use it in both my child and adult classes. The Buddhists
don't mind, but the xians certainly seem to. Screw 'em.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of
course
is based on the birth of Christ."
If Shrub and the Religious Reich are so interested in the
spread of democracy, then why not reset the calendar to
the birth of Athenian democracy, about 2500 years ago?
Or if they're so correct about the dates, then why not
set the calendar to 6000-something since the universe is
only that old as they claim? That way, there's no need
for "BCE".
Bob Dog
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| User: "wcb" |
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03 Mar 2005 10:05:47 AM |
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wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known
as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It
appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
It seem striving for accuracy in the calendar is as welcome
with xianazis as is striving for accuracy in science.
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
I use it in both my child and adult classes. The Buddhists
don't mind, but the xians certainly seem to. Screw 'em.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of
course
is based on the birth of Christ."
If Shrub and the Religious Reich are so interested in the
spread of democracy, then why not reset the calendar to
the birth of Athenian democracy, about 2500 years ago?
Or if they're so correct about the dates, then why not
set the calendar to 6000-something since the universe is
only that old as they claim? That way, there's no need
for "BCE".
Roman historians estimate the date of the founding of Rome
and founded a calender based on that. Anno Urbe Conditae
is 753 BCE. So 2005 CE is 2758 AUC.
--
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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03 Mar 2005 05:56:59 AM |
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On 2 Mar 2005 21:18:35 -0800, wrote:
Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known
as
BC)".
The Opposition's education spokeswoman, Jillian Skinner, said: "It
appears
that Before Christ has been written out of our history books by the
Department of Education in the Carr Government ... This is political
correctness gone mad."
It seem striving for accuracy in the calendar is as welcome
with xianazis as is striving for accuracy in science.
Although BCE is used by some historians, Ms Skinner said most parents
would expect their children to be taught to use BC.
I use it in both my child and adult classes. The Buddhists
don't mind, but the xians certainly seem to. Screw 'em.
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of
course
is based on the birth of Christ."
If Shrub and the Religious Reich are so interested in the
spread of democracy, then why not reset the calendar to
the birth of Athenian democracy, about 2500 years ago?
Or if they're so correct about the dates, then why not
set the calendar to 6000-something since the universe is
only that old as they claim? That way, there's no need
for "BCE".
Isn't the Jewish calender supposed to be based on the years since the
Garden of Eden?
Bob Dog
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Mar 2005 02:15:06 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:56:59 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> said in alt.atheism:
Isn't the Jewish calender supposed to be based on the years since the
Garden of Eden?
Since the creation of Adam's soul.
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise
as false, and by the rulers as useful."
- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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03 Mar 2005 03:21:16 AM |
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Phillip Brown wrote:
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar
of course is based on the birth of Christ."
Correction: the calendar is based on the *alleged* birth of Christ.
RS
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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03 Mar 2005 08:34:21 AM |
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Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
"The era of BC - Before Christ - had been scrapped in favour of BCE -
Before Common Era - in some school texts in a case of political
correctness gone mad, the NSW Opposition said yesterday.
A footnote to the extract said "BCE = Before Common Era (also known as
BC)".
"Some"? It is almost universally applied in the fields of archaeology, history, anthropology, linguistics and every
other scientific area where the distinction between the Common Era and Before the Common Era would be relevant. The
majority of people on the planet are NOT Christian, after all.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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03 Mar 2005 02:17:12 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:34:21 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Some"? It is almost universally applied in the fields of archaeology, history, anthropology, linguistics and every
other scientific area where the distinction between the Common Era and Before the Common Era would be relevant. The
majority of people on the planet are NOT Christian, after all.
Tell that to Christians who simultaneously claim that they're a
minority in the US and that the US is a Christian nation. They have a
problem with "minority" and "majority".
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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03 Mar 2005 04:36:38 PM |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:17:12 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:34:21 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
said in alt.atheism:
"Some"? It is almost universally applied in the fields of archaeology, history, anthropology, linguistics and every
other scientific area where the distinction between the Common Era and Before the Common Era would be relevant. The
majority of people on the planet are NOT Christian, after all.
Tell that to Christians who simultaneously claim that they're a
minority in the US and that the US is a Christian nation. They have a
problem with "minority" and "majority".
And they don't even notice the contradiction. Another example of their
selective cognitive dissonance.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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02 Mar 2005 05:05:28 PM |
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Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
< snip >
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of course
is based on the birth of Christ."
I wonder how many of these parents even know what "AD" means, much less
what phrase it abbreviates.
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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03 Mar 2005 06:01:05 AM |
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"Tukla Ratte" <tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote in message
news:38mv5qF5papfsU1@individual.net...
Phillip Brown wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Historic-shift-from-BC-far-too-PC-Opposition-says/2005/03/02/1109700541882.html
< snip >
"Ask the average mum and dad out there how they refer to time and
calendars, they will use Before Christ," she said. "The calendar of
course
is based on the birth of Christ."
I wonder how many of these parents even know what "AD" means, much less
what phrase it abbreviates.
Why, "After Death", of course! :)
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