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"The Professor" |
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23 Mar 2005 04:58:32 PM |
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Historical Evidence of the Resurrection |
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
This disciple is commonly referred to as "doubting Thomas." He
refused to believe the other disciples when they told him Jesus had
risen from the dead: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We
have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the
nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe (John
20:25).
"Doubter" is not a strong enough word to describe Thomas. He had
absolute resolve not to believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
All the teachings that he had heard and all the miracles that he had
seen over three years did not convince him that Jesus could rise from
the dead. The testimony of the other disciples did not convince him.
But something happened that instantly transformed this skeptic into a
believer who would give up his life to tell people Jesus had risen from
the dead. Only one thing could reasonably produce such a change-he
saw the risen Christ: And after eight days again his disciples were
within, and Thomas with them: Then came Jesus, the doors being shut,
and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then says He to
Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither
thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but
believing. And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God
(John 20:26-28).
Thomas excited the rage of the pagan priests with his message of the
resurrection. They surrounded him and thrust him through with spears. A
monument rises on the spot testifying that Thomas would never have been
there or died there if he had not seen a risen Christ.
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Historical Evidence of the Resurrection |
23 Mar 2005 08:13:57 PM |
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"The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:1111618712.824091.123130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Moody News
(snip *****)
Well, where's the "historical evidence"? All you did is provide one myth
to support another myth.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "wcb" |
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23 Mar 2005 11:16:08 PM |
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Woden wrote:
"The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:1111618712.824091.123130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Moody News
(snip *****)
Well, where's the "historical evidence"? All you did is provide one myth
to support another myth.
Its *****. More lying propaganda from deeply
dishonest religous fanatics without brains or honesty.
http://hamsa.org/index.htm
More of the usual.
I get so tired of lying christians.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "David Vestal" |
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23 Mar 2005 07:15:54 PM |
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"The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:1111618712.824091.123130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Of what are you a professor? Or is that just something you call
yourself, without basis in achievement?
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century.
Sooooo, that people a long time ago died, much like people today do,
constitutes proof of an afterlife? Why? Now, if the graves were open,
with fey lights dancing about, and translucent, incorporeal beings
flitting in an out, I'd be a bit more convinced.
The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas.
Based on what, church tradition? Is this an argument from the authority
of the Indian government?
India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp."
So? We have an Elvis Presley stamp; does that prove that Elvis is (as
some believe) god?
Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Which ones, and what religions do they espouse?
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Where does this information come from?
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
I'm still not past the "where does this information come from" question.
Indulge me.
This disciple is commonly referred to as "doubting Thomas." He
refused to believe the other disciples when they told him Jesus had
risen from the dead: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We
have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the
nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe (John
20:25).
"Doubter" is not a strong enough word to describe Thomas. He had
absolute resolve not to believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
Where do you get the information that his obstinacy transcended mere
doubt? All I know is where you DIDN'T get it--you didn't get it from the
Bible, because that says nothing of the sort.
All the teachings that he had heard and all the miracles that he had
seen over three years did not convince him that Jesus could rise from
the dead. The testimony of the other disciples did not convince him.
But something happened that instantly transformed this skeptic into a
believer who would give up his life to tell people Jesus had risen from
the dead.
Where do you get this information?
Only one thing could reasonably produce such a change-he
saw the risen Christ:
Sorry, I'm still wondering where you got the information that he changed
his mind. Or for that matter, that he even existed.
Thomas excited the rage of the pagan priests with his message of the
resurrection. They surrounded him and thrust him through with spears. A
monument rises on the spot testifying that Thomas would never have been
there or died there if he had not seen a risen Christ.
And the makers of this monument got their information where, precisely?
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
This convinced believer became a skeptic. Shall we trade pointless
anecdotes, or will you tell me why I should believe these stories of
Thomas?
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| User: "Clockmeister" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:08:57 PM |
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"The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1111618712.824091.123130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
Where?
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| User: "Rally" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:01:14 PM |
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"The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1111618712.824091.123130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
You are confusing the actions of an individual with what you read about
him from an heavily edited book filled with fantasy, exaggerations, dabs of
mythology, and conjecture. The guy in India might not even be the guy you
are reading about in your version of the bible.
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| User: "Silichip" |
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23 Mar 2005 11:30:45 PM |
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"The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1111618712.824091.123130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
This disciple is commonly referred to as "doubting Thomas." He
refused to believe the other disciples when they told him Jesus had
risen from the dead: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We
have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the
nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe (John
20:25).
"Doubter" is not a strong enough word to describe Thomas. He had
absolute resolve not to believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
All the teachings that he had heard and all the miracles that he had
seen over three years did not convince him that Jesus could rise from
the dead. The testimony of the other disciples did not convince him.
But something happened that instantly transformed this skeptic into a
believer who would give up his life to tell people Jesus had risen from
the dead. Only one thing could reasonably produce such a change-he
saw the risen Christ: And after eight days again his disciples were
within, and Thomas with them: Then came Jesus, the doors being shut,
and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then says He to
Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither
thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but
believing. And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God
(John 20:26-28).
Thomas excited the rage of the pagan priests with his message of the
resurrection. They surrounded him and thrust him through with spears. A
monument rises on the spot testifying that Thomas would never have been
there or died there if he had not seen a risen Christ.
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
Moody News:
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If there were evidence of the resurrection it would be headline news
on tv and newspapers around the world. Because it isn't that mean it
not true at all and you just got cough up with a web site story you
found on the net. I suggest you shouldn't believe everything you read
on the internet unless there 100% facts to prove it.
Horizon on BBC 2 have point it out many times before that there is
NO archaeological Biblical history evidence at all. When Horizon
does find any evidence then I will believe it. Ok!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:38:54 PM |
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In our last episode
<1111618712.824091.123130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, The Professor
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
And yet you don't provide any...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Group website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "pan" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:48:40 PM |
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On 23 Mar 2005 14:58:32 -0800, "The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
(snipperroo)
Historians agree
All the leading historians agree with this... ehh? =-/
that Thomas started the first-century churches in India.
Or the Indian churches were founded by Thomas Cananeus in the
4th-century.
Or... ? (who knows)
pan
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| User: "thomas p" |
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25 Mar 2005 01:14:22 PM |
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On 23 Mar 2005 14:58:32 -0800, "The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
This disciple is commonly referred to as "doubting Thomas." He
refused to believe the other disciples when they told him Jesus had
risen from the dead: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We
have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the
nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe (John
20:25).
"Doubter" is not a strong enough word to describe Thomas. He had
absolute resolve not to believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
All the teachings that he had heard and all the miracles that he had
seen over three years did not convince him that Jesus could rise from
the dead. The testimony of the other disciples did not convince him.
But something happened that instantly transformed this skeptic into a
believer who would give up his life to tell people Jesus had risen from
the dead. Only one thing could reasonably produce such a change-he
saw the risen Christ: And after eight days again his disciples were
within, and Thomas with them: Then came Jesus, the doors being shut,
and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then says He to
Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither
thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but
believing. And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God
(John 20:26-28).
Thomas excited the rage of the pagan priests with his message of the
resurrection. They surrounded him and thrust him through with spears. A
monument rises on the spot testifying that Thomas would never have been
there or died there if he had not seen a risen Christ.
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
You lied. There was no historical evidence of the resurrection
provided. Nobody is surprised.
Thomas P.
"Life must be lived forwards but understood backwards"
(Kierkegaard)
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| User: "raven1" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:04:08 PM |
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On 23 Mar 2005 14:58:32 -0800, "The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Rubbish. Sources?
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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24 Mar 2005 05:41:18 AM |
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On 23 Mar 2005 14:58:32 -0800, "The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
The thing that puzzles me is why they attempt to publish this
stuff here. They must surely know the paucity of evidence and
all the critical comments.
They must surely know we will not accept this stuff without
substantiantion and it will simply be seen as more evidence of
the falsity of their belief system
Yet they still do it? Why?
Here we have in bold capitals PHYSICAL EVIDENCE yet there
is patently none! So why put this up only to be knocked down?
The author just simply makes a fool of himself by such a
declaration. He demonstrated little or no critical judgement and
a detachment from reality and quite frankly he does even he own
religion a dis-service.
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "wcb" |
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24 Mar 2005 05:59:42 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 14:58:32 -0800, "The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
The thing that puzzles me is why they attempt to publish this
stuff here. They must surely know the paucity of evidence and
all the critical comments.
They must surely know we will not accept this stuff without
substantiantion and it will simply be seen as more evidence of
the falsity of their belief system
Yet they still do it? Why?
The answer in one word.
STUPID!
You look at how the stupid people in AA simply cannot think
rationally, will not think rationally, and could not think
rationally if they tried, and there is your answer.
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "marvin" |
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24 Mar 2005 08:38:01 AM |
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Les Hellawell wrote:
The thing that puzzles me is why they attempt to publish this
stuff here. They must surely know the paucity of evidence and
all the critical comments.
They must surely know we will not accept this stuff without
substantiantion and it will simply be seen as more evidence of
the falsity of their belief system
Yet they still do it? Why?
Here we have in bold capitals PHYSICAL EVIDENCE yet there
is patently none! So why put this up only to be knocked down?
The author just simply makes a fool of himself by such a
declaration. He demonstrated little or no critical judgement and
a detachment from reality and quite frankly he does even he own
religion a dis-service.
Could it relate to the doubting Thomas story itself? Saying it's so
serves as its own proof? I can't remember the reference, but I came
across something similar in my fairly limited reading of the Koran, and
I suspect there are similar cautionary tales in most other texts that
are considered sacred.
A point I'd like to make, though, is that I'm often disturbed by the
use of the word lie, particularly in this and many political contexts.
To me the word lie suggests an intentional effort to deceive. In this
and so many other cases, the source is a true believer and victim of
the original act of deceit. I suspect that many, if not all of the
theist posters sincerely believe it is their duty to provide us with
one more opportunity to accept their "truth."
Marvin
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24 Mar 2005 06:17:01 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:41:18 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 14:58:32 -0800, "The Professor" <titus213@pacbell.net>
wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
The thing that puzzles me is why they attempt to publish this
stuff here. They must surely know the paucity of evidence and
all the critical comments.
They imagine they're making a point by rubbing it in our faces - and
don't realise both how stupid the articles and it makes themselves
look doing it.
They must surely know we will not accept this stuff without
substantiantion and it will simply be seen as more evidence of
the falsity of their belief system
Yet they still do it? Why?
Here we have in bold capitals PHYSICAL EVIDENCE yet there
is patently none! So why put this up only to be knocked down?
The author just simply makes a fool of himself by such a
declaration. He demonstrated little or no critical judgement and
a detachment from reality and quite frankly he does even he own
religion a dis-service.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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24 Mar 2005 01:04:04 AM |
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On 23 Mar 2005, The Professor dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
This disciple is commonly referred to as "doubting Thomas." He
refused to believe the other disciples when they told him Jesus had
risen from the dead: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We
have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the
nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe (John
20:25).
"Doubter" is not a strong enough word to describe Thomas. He had
absolute resolve not to believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
All the teachings that he had heard and all the miracles that he had
seen over three years did not convince him that Jesus could rise from
the dead. The testimony of the other disciples did not convince him.
But something happened that instantly transformed this skeptic into a
believer who would give up his life to tell people Jesus had risen from
the dead. Only one thing could reasonably produce such a change-he
saw the risen Christ: And after eight days again his disciples were
within, and Thomas with them: Then came Jesus, the doors being shut,
and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then says He to
Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither
thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but
believing. And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God
(John 20:26-28).
Thomas excited the rage of the pagan priests with his message of the
resurrection. They surrounded him and thrust him through with spears. A
monument rises on the spot testifying that Thomas would never have been
there or died there if he had not seen a risen Christ.
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
Can anyone show me where this "tangible evidence" is stated? I can't
seem to find it.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
______________
As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Sam" |
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24 Mar 2005 01:07:59 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005, The Professor dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
This disciple is commonly referred to as "doubting Thomas." He
refused to believe the other disciples when they told him Jesus had
risen from the dead: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We
have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the
nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe (John
20:25).
"Doubter" is not a strong enough word to describe Thomas. He had
absolute resolve not to believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
All the teachings that he had heard and all the miracles that he had
seen over three years did not convince him that Jesus could rise from
the dead. The testimony of the other disciples did not convince him.
But something happened that instantly transformed this skeptic into a
believer who would give up his life to tell people Jesus had risen from
the dead. Only one thing could reasonably produce such a change-he
saw the risen Christ: And after eight days again his disciples were
within, and Thomas with them: Then came Jesus, the doors being shut,
and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then says He to
Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither
thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but
believing. And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God
(John 20:26-28).
Thomas excited the rage of the pagan priests with his message of the
resurrection. They surrounded him and thrust him through with spears. A
monument rises on the spot testifying that Thomas would never have been
there or died there if he had not seen a risen Christ.
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
Can anyone show me where this "tangible evidence" is stated? I can't
seem to find it.
i think it was something about indians and jews
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Sam
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:26:08 PM |
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On Wednesday 23 March 2005 04:58 pm, The Professor wrote:
< snip >
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
It was nice -- albeit unnecessary -- of Adams to validate my perspective
as an atheist: provide objective evidence, and I'll believe.
He should really learn how to spell, though. It's "Nazi", not "Naxi".
< snip >
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Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
a.a. #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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24 Mar 2005 10:43:57 AM |
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The Professor wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
Nice try, troll. But your lack of physical evidence is clear to everyone.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
A.A #1143 PLONKED by Bob
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Silichip" |
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23 Mar 2005 06:22:18 PM |
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The Professor wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Here is the big question this raises: "Why did Thomas leave his home,
family and friends, travel to the far away land of India, start
churches, and die a martyr's death in poverty and dishonor?"
This disciple is commonly referred to as "doubting Thomas." He
refused to believe the other disciples when they told him Jesus had
risen from the dead: The other disciples therefore said unto him, We
have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his
hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the
nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe (John
20:25).
"Doubter" is not a strong enough word to describe Thomas. He had
absolute resolve not to believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
All the teachings that he had heard and all the miracles that he had
seen over three years did not convince him that Jesus could rise from
the dead. The testimony of the other disciples did not convince him.
But something happened that instantly transformed this skeptic into a
believer who would give up his life to tell people Jesus had risen from
the dead. Only one thing could reasonably produce such a change-he
saw the risen Christ: And after eight days again his disciples were
within, and Thomas with them: Then came Jesus, the doors being shut,
and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then says He to
Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither
thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but
believing. And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God
(John 20:26-28).
Thomas excited the rage of the pagan priests with his message of the
resurrection. They surrounded him and thrust him through with spears. A
monument rises on the spot testifying that Thomas would never have been
there or died there if he had not seen a risen Christ.
This skeptic became a convinced believer, went to India and gave his
life to tell people Jesus Christ had risen from the dead.
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If there were evidence of the resurrection it would be headline news
on tv and newspapers around the world. Because it isn't that mean it
not true at all and you just got cough up with a web site story you
found on the net. I suggest you shouldn't believe everything you read
on the internet unless there 100% facts to prove it.
Horizon on BBC 2 have point it out many times before that there is
NO archaeological history evidence on Biblical at all.
When Horizon does find any evidence then I will believe it. Ok!
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| User: "wcb" |
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23 Mar 2005 11:11:46 PM |
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The Professor wrote:
Moody News
March 23, 2004 A Biblical commentary on the news
PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE RESURRECTION
In the ancient land of India there is tangible proof of life beyond the
grave. In this far eastern land, I saw a church's foundations, and a
cemetery full of Christian graves, that dated back to the first
century. The government of India recognizes that these churches were
started by Christ's disciple, Thomas. India's non-Christian
government even honored the disciple with a "St. Thomas postage
stamp." Historians agree that Thomas started the first-century
churches in India.
Thomas got on a trade boat and sailed to the West Coast of India. He
started four churches there and then traveled to the East Coast and
started three more. There natives killed him with spears. A
mountainside monument marks the spot today.
Doubtful claim to begin with.
We know John 20 is nonsense.
Mark tells us that Jesus appeared to the 11 in
Jerusalem as they hid in a room, and immediately
ascended to heaven from that room. Matthew tells
us Jesus never was in Jerusalem, and had
his apostle go to Galilee to meet him there.
Which they do.
Luke tells us that Jesus never went to Galilee
and ascended to heaven from the town of Bethany.
In none of these tall tales did Thomas do any such
thing as claimed.
That appears only in John, who has Jesus appear to
his apostles in Jeruslam and then meeting them in
Galilee later, nor ascension to heaven from that
room in Jerusalem, not from Bethany.
No reported ascension at all as a matter of fact.
None of these books are truthful or trustworthy.
Obviously.
The Thomas nonsense is a lie. Found only in
John, who lied when it looked like
nobody was buying the Jesus story.
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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24 Mar 2005 08:31:18 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:11:46 -0600, wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
We know John 20 is nonsense.
We know Major Tom's a junky, strung out on heaven's high, hitting an
all time low.
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MsAnthrope
http://web.newsguy.com/rubyred
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