Matt Silberstein wrote:

They did not accept Jewish Israel imposed boundaries...Your statement is completely false.

The *UN* imposed the boundaries of 1947, not Israel.

No, stupid, after UN partition in 1947 Jewish Israel declared independence in 1948, sparking
the war, all resulting in new Jewish Israel imposed, not UN, boundaries.

Go read a history book you stupid *****.

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:51:58 -0700, i2p6 west <i2p6west@nospam.com>
wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:54:33 -0700,

On Aug 31, 11:59 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:30:21 -0700, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can someone cite a campaign in the middle east in the last 1,500 years
where there was a significant or long lasting change, after the
invaders left? Can anyone cite a short term change?

The Jews invading Palestine in the 1940s is a good example of both.

I don't know of any such invasion.

Then you had better learn some history.
Pre 1940s: No Israel.
Post 1940s: Israel, by force over the original inhabitants.

Please tell me that you are aware of this invasion?

The Jews started going to Palestine around 1890, largely as a result of Theodore Herzl's
pamphlet "The Jewish State". At that time there were about 7,000 Jews lively peacefully
with about 750,000 Palestinians (according to Herzl).

Are those numbers accurate or just useful to you?

The Arabs were naive to allow the
Jews to immigrate in large numbers and got screwed.

The Arabs did not "allow" it. The land was controlled by the Turks who
allowed it. The people who owned the land sold it. And the Arabs
continued to use violence against the Jews.

btw, interestingly, the Arabs proposed, and would have accepted, a *true* democracy to
the U.N. (U.S.) before the 1947 partition into a Jewish sector. The document used to
be available at the U.N. website, I don't know if it's still there as Jewish elements
work very hard to erase unfavorable history.

Of course the Jews control everything and erased the evidence. How
convenient for your bigotry.

I think it is shameful that we Americans created and prop up a *religion* based
government, Jewish Israel, the long festering sore of the Middle East.

I know that Egypt, Syria, Jordan (a
country consisting of some 70% of the British Mandate of Palestine,
Saudia Arabia, Iraq, and more all declared war on Israel and attacked.
And lost that war. And so Egypt occupied Gaza, supposedly Palestine,
and Jordan occupied the West Bank, also supposedly Palestine. And
neither of those countries gave the "Palestinians" rights, they did
not set up an independent country, they did not even discuss the
existence of such a country. Historical revisionism is an interesting
process, particularly when it runs up against facts.

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:51:58 -0700, i2p6 west <i2p6west@nospam.com>
wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 13:54:33 -0700,

On Aug 31, 11:59 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:30:21 -0700, Eris <vith...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can someone cite a campaign in the middle east in the last 1,500 years
where there was a significant or long lasting change, after the
invaders left? Can anyone cite a short term change?

The Jews invading Palestine in the 1940s is a good example of both.

I don't know of any such invasion.

Then you had better learn some history.
Pre 1940s: No Israel.
Post 1940s: Israel, by force over the original inhabitants.

Please tell me that you are aware of this invasion?

The Jews started going to Palestine around 1890, largely as a result of Theodore Herzl's
pamphlet "The Jewish State". At that time there were about 7,000 Jews lively peacefully
with about 750,000 Palestinians (according to Herzl). The Arabs were naive to allow the
Jews to immigrate in large numbers and got screwed.

btw, interestingly, the Arabs proposed, and would have accepted, a *true* democracy to
the U.N. (U.S.) before the 1947 partition into a Jewish sector. The document used to
be available at the U.N. website, I don't know if it's still there as Jewish elements
work very hard to erase unfavorable history.

I think it is shameful that we Americans created and prop up a *religion* based
government, Jewish Israel, the long festering sore of the Middle East.

I shall take that as a 'no'.

Matt Silberstein wrote:

And no country of Palestine.

There certainly was a land of Palestine; Theodore Herzl mentions it in his pamphlet "The Jewish State".

The bottom line: the Jews claim God gave them the land and all non-Jews are squatters with
no rights, and the Jews may do whatever they deem necessary to kick the non-Jews off the land,
including killing them.

That is the bottom line. Stupid irrational religious nuts.