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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "The Spew Queen"
Date: 16 Oct 2005 02:25:14 PM
Object: Hitler was a Christian
Hitler Was a Christian
The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:

History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians
who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian
deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church
leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of
Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult
worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on
those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the
Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler
expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers.
Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to
history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.
Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of
producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I
haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by
writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my
personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian
will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the
offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and
my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is
important information to take into consideration for I am privy to
some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American
media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning
Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it
into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the
Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3)
Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into
Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain
for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due
to his Christianity.

Hitler’s involvement with the Church:
a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.
b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On
his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was
carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)
c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.
d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most
ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his
love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to
intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church
festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the
village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most
desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church.
Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in
attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.
f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the
pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn
they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler
wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an
excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the
new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state
by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and
unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is
hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to
the Nazi Party
g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society
and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and
preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic
teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with
Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken
On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The
celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a
tradition.
Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest
congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the
dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of
Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to
know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend
you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII,
by John Cornwell)
h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting
doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a
death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in
schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised
that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist
State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be
its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in
their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines
(Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views
and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June
1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action
against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be
Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf
Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the
Catholic Church to National Socialism

How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:
Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria
and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the
belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The
Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred
did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of
Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for
hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself,
held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book,
“On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish
hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a
great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and
beliefs.
Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the
country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles
treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial
reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self
sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that
raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world
recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the
Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the
leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him
in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates
their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations,
mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in
a national Christianity.

How the Nazi Regime converted the people:
a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term)
adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a
constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly
demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a
“positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious
denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and
do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German
race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does
not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular
confession...”
b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda
to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all
people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man
above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to
the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from
present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic
principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by
abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an
equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of
their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that
Christianity was taught.
d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in
textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until
1961.
e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to
forcibly convert all its military.
f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious
symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on
military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I
believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you
who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.
g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy
water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on
a maneuver.
h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would
act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was
suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but
CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.

Quotes from Hitler:
Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his
faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an
embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their
faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following
words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and
reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:
“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for
worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon
racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the
care and leadership of a people defined by a common
blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk
with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal
into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but
something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with
us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but
clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But
since we set as the central point of this perception and of this
profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the
future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a
divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of
a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our
worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that
reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the
unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as
they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6
Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in
pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand
against cults.]
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith.
We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement,
and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have
stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as
favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people
worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy.
The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not
accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be
noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their
non-belief in Christ.]
Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack
the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at
last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for
the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand
years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever
before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood
upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be
cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting
rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I
have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12
April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April
1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press,
1942)
"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own
altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the
heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its
apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute
presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here
that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which
Christianity was founded.)
"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The
idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs
based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers
after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks
in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus
stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common
in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race
and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this
religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world,
and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature
two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new
doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward
the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive
from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then
as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business
existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our
present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish
votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with
atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf
Hitler (Mein Kampf)
"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his
expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where
humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to
the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I
am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement]
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf
Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the
idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He
states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief
not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of
their Aryan nationality.)
“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very
first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always
and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence
which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering
and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting
that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong
Christian Spirituality.)
Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:
"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the
party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church
because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered
his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members
of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he
said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he
remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by
Albert Speer page 95-96)
.

User: "robin"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 07 Nov 2005 05:37:45 PM
Fundamentalist Christianity of many different varieties from 250 AD
onward for the next several centuries railed at other branches who were
also fundamentalist Christians, each one of which regarded its
particular flavor as more orthodox than others. Jefferson pointed out,
long before Tolstoi and Gandhi, that the words of Jesus himself had no
theological dogma, or doctrinaire content whatever. It was the later
dogmatists of the Church who turned the pure gospel of Jesus into a
neglected mantra, and converted the simple Galilean into a HOLY GOD,
and his pristine wisdom a forgotten page. "Christianity" became a
RELIGION, of human making. The teachings of Jesus have not been obeyed.
All through Christian history, from Chrysostom onwards, attitudes were
adopted which have been diametrically at odds with the words of the
Lord Jesus, chief of which have been the anti-semitism, the bigotry,
the hatred and narrow-mindedness, the anti-sexuality and
anti-femininity. Many of the great ones, the saints and preachers of
our Christian faith have, rather than shining the gentle light of
Jesus, have proven themselves blinded by might, seduced by power, drunk
with their own self-importance. Every one of us, as humans, is
susceptible to these failings.
Jesus strongest and harshest condemnation was reserved for RELIGION,
for the hypocrisy and moralism of the pseudo-pious of his own day.
Never has theree been a rebel or revolutionary sharper in his
castigation of religious hypocrisy and pride and phoniness than Jesus
Christ. And he was crucified for his troubles.
Veritas odium paret.
Truth engenders hatred. It was religious people, allied in an unholy
church-state collusion with the Roman authorities, who murdered Jesus
Christ.
Hitler murdered not only millions of Jews from all over Europe, but
thousands of his own mentally retarded people, thousands of Jehovah's
Witnesses, thousands of gays, thousands of gypsies. And countless brave
dissenters such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer (Lutheran pastor), Maximillian
Kolbe (Catholic priest), even Field Marshall Rommel, Germany's hero of
north Africa.
.

User: "Ray Martinez"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 11 Nov 2005 01:20:05 PM
The Spew Queen wrote:

Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians
who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian
deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today's Church
leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of
Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult
worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on
those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the
Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler
expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers.
Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to
history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of
producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I
haven't encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by
writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my
personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian
will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the
offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and
my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is
important information to take into consideration for I am privy to
some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American
media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning
Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it
into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the
Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3)
Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into
Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain
for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due
to his Christianity.



Hitler's involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On
his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was
carved with the monastery's coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ." His most
ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his
love for the church and clergy: "I had excellent opportunity to
intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church
festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the
village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most
desirable ideal." -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church.
Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and "avenging for God" in
attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the
pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn
they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler
wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an
excerpt: "The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the
new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state
by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and
unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is
hostile to religion is a lie." Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to
the Nazi Party

g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society
and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and
preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic
teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with
Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken
On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The
celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a
tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest
congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the
dioceses in Germany with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of
Germany are sending to heaven on their altars." (If you would like to
know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend
you get a book titled: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII,
by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler's involvement with the Church he began enacting
doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a
death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in
schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised
that Germany would implement its teachings: "The National Socialist
State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be
its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in
their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines
(Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views
and the exigencies of the State of today." -Adolf Hitler, on 26 June
1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action
against the new pagan propaganda "Providence has caused me to be
Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church." -Adolf
Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the
Catholic Church to National Socialism



How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria
and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the
belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The
Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred
did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of
Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for
hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself,
held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book,
"On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish
hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a
great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and
beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the
country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles
treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial
reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self
sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that
raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world
recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the
Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the
leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him
in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates
their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations,
mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in
a national Christianity.



How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term)
adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a
constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly
demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a
"positive" Christianity: "We demand liberty for all religious
denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and
do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German
race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does
not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular
confession..."

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda
to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all
people need faith and religious education: "By helping to raise man
above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to
the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from
present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic
principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by
abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an
equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of
their existence." - Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that
Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in
textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until
1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to
forcibly convert all its military.

f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious
symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on
military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I
believe my Opa had one) which reads "Gott Mit Uns". For those of you
who do not speak German it is translated as "God With Us".

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy
water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on
a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the "SS Reich" that would
act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was
suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but
CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.



Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his
faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an
embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their
faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following
words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and
reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

"National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for
worship; it is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon
racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the
care and leadership of a people defined by a common
blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk
with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal
into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but
something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with
us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but
clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But
since we set as the central point of this perception and of this
profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the
future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a
divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of
a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord... Our
worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that
reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the
unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as
they are known to us men." -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6
Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in
pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand
against cults.]

"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith.
We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement,
and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have
stamped it out." -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as
favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people
worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy.
The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not
accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be
noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their
non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack
the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at
last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for
the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand
years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever
before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood
upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be
cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting
rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I
have also a duty to my own people." -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12
April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April
1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press,
1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own
altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the
heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its
apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute
presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here
that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which
Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil
assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The
idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs
based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers
after him, continued this "tradition" up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks
in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus
stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common
in war for one race to rape another so that they can "defile" the race
and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

"The best characterization is provided by the product of this
religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world,
and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature
two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new
doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward
the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive
from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then
as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business
existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our
present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish
votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with
atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation."-Adolf
Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"...the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his
expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where
humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to
the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I
am fighting for the work of the Lord." -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement]
was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge." -Adolf
Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the
idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He
states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief
not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of
their Aryan nationality.)

"Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very
first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always
and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence
which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering
and uncertain." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting
that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong
Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the
party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church
because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered
his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members
of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he
said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he
remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by
Albert Speer page 95-96)

Hitler claimed to be a christian.
So does Ken Miller.
So do TEists.
So does Pat Robertson.
So did Darwin - he was also a racist:
http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=CA005.1
Whats the point ?
Anyone can claim to be a christian.
Ray
.
User: "Jim07D5"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 11 Nov 2005 01:27:38 PM
"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@yahoo.com> said:
<...>


Anyone can claim to be a christian.

<...>
But to be one, "...these signs shall follow them that believe; In my
name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing it
shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
recover."
So I have never met one. Have you?
--- Jim07D5
.

User: "Ray Martinez"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 11 Nov 2005 01:23:08 PM
Hitler claimed to be a christian.
So does Ken Miller.
So do TEists.
So does Pat Robertson.
So did Darwin - he was also a racist:
http://www.nwcreation.net/wiki/index.php?title=CA005.1
Whats the point ?
Anyone can claim to be a christian.
Ray
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 20 Oct 2005 10:08:03 PM
The Spew Queen wrote:

Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:

[snip]
Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128308336.450775.177530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
.
User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 22 Oct 2005 07:27:56 AM
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the
work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 2.
In his own words, moron.
Budikka
.
User: "Cracklin"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 22 Oct 2005 05:36:23 PM
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1129984076.498191.18870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the
work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 2.

===============================
Some of our greatest sociopathic mass murderers were Christians. This is
what religion does to some people. But the believers don't want to believe
that! They need to read the OT.
--
Eler.......
Sister Sylvia's Mother said...
What the world needs is not dogma but an attitude of scientific
inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is
not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined
in the likeness of the believer. ~ Bertrand Russell ~
~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~
.

User: "The Rock Is Peter"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 22 Oct 2005 11:01:52 AM
Budikka666 wrote:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the
work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 2.

In his own words, moron.

Budikka

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0826414095/ref=ase_ctoc/002-8836085-3116821?v=glance&s=books
.
User: "Budikka666"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 22 Oct 2005 07:34:05 PM
The Rock Is Peter wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the
work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 2.

In his own words, moron.

Budikka


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0826414095/ref=ase_ctoc/002-8836085-3116821?v=glance&s=books

http://tinyurl.com/7ovs7
Budikka
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 22 Oct 2005 10:30:37 PM
Spew Queen makes a number of valid points. According to Xian theology
Adolph and Eva are somewhere in Paradise now while their non Xian
victims reside in hell.
.
User: "michael james"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 22 Oct 2005 10:40:31 PM
wrote:

Spew Queen makes a number of valid points. According to Xian theology
Adolph and Eva are somewhere in Paradise now while their non Xian
victims reside in hell.

if they repented and are forgiven....at least that is what the church says.
.
User: "The_Real_God"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 23 Oct 2005 04:52:03 AM
michael james wrote:



mikeaklein@yahoo.com wrote:

Spew Queen makes a number of valid points. According to Xian theology
Adolph and Eva are somewhere in Paradise now while their non Xian
victims reside in hell.


if they repented and are forgiven....at least that is what the church says.

*Thus Spake God's Creator*
Most of the things people enjoy doing is a sin...
...at least that is what the church says.
Hell must be an enjoyable place...
But, the church will say anything to get people to
their blessed collection plates.
--
Wise men challenge the unknown seeking more wisdom, others
fall on their hands and knees, close their eyes... and mumble...
~~ GOD'S CREATOR! ~~
.






User: "havoc"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 07 Nov 2005 06:20:09 AM
wrote:

The Spew Queen wrote:


Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



[snip]

Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128308336.450775.177530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts

1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

It is my understanding that all this is hooey. Hitler, despite
protestations, was a roman Catholic along with Mussolini. One
Wonders if they were so evil, why they were never Anathematised
and Excommunicated...
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 07 Nov 2005 08:11:12 PM
"havoc" <havoc@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:ZDHbf.551859$xm3.482755@attbi_s21...

dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:

The Spew Queen wrote:


Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



[snip]

Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128308336.450775.177530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts

1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com

Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com

It is my understanding that all this is hooey. Hitler, despite
protestations, was a roman Catholic along with Mussolini. One
Wonders if they were so evil, why they were never Anathematised
and Excommunicated...

If they had been, would you have joined the Catholic Church?
BAM
.
User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 08 Nov 2005 01:28:19 AM
in article TMTbf.4159$%k.3926@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 11/7/05 9:11 PM:


"havoc" <havoc@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:ZDHbf.551859$xm3.482755@attbi_s21...

dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:

The Spew Queen wrote:


Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



[snip]

Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44
g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128308336.450775.177530%40g47
g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts

1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g20
00cwa.googlegroups.com

1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2
000cwb.googlegroups.com

Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2
000cwb.googlegroups.com

Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47
g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2
000cwz.googlegroups.com

It is my understanding that all this is hooey. Hitler, despite
protestations, was a roman Catholic along with Mussolini. One
Wonders if they were so evil, why they were never Anathematised
and Excommunicated...


If they had been, would you have joined the Catholic Church?

Does that matter to someone like Bam, PROUD to join a Church with
numerous child molesters, aided and abetted (in the guise of keeping a good
image) by those higher up?
Paul
.
User: "bam"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 09 Nov 2005 08:55:59 PM
"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF95BDC3.1B9BD%p.duca@comcast.net...

in article TMTbf.4159$%k.3926@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 11/7/05 9:11 PM:


"havoc" <havoc@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:ZDHbf.551859$xm3.482755@attbi_s21...

dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:

The Spew Queen wrote:


Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



[snip]

Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44
g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128308336.450775.177530%40g47
g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts

1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g20
00cwa.googlegroups.com

1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2
000cwb.googlegroups.com

Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2
000cwa.googlegroups.com

the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2
000cwb.googlegroups.com

Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47
g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2
000cwz.googlegroups.com

It is my understanding that all this is hooey. Hitler, despite
protestations, was a roman Catholic along with Mussolini. One
Wonders if they were so evil, why they were never Anathematised
and Excommunicated...


If they had been, would you have joined the Catholic Church?




Does that matter to someone like Bam, PROUD to join a Church with
numerous child molesters, aided and abetted (in the guise of keeping a
good
image) by those higher up?

Perhaps no one should be Chritian according to your standards since one of
the chosen Apostles flat out betrayed Jesus?
BAM
.
User: "Your Name Here=Harvey"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 10 Nov 2005 04:50:25 PM
In article <RCycf.48653$ty1.13138@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net says...



"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF95BDC3.1B9BD%p.duca@comcast.net...

in article TMTbf.4159$%k.3926@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 11/7/05 9:11 PM:


"havoc" <havoc@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:ZDHbf.551859$xm3.482755@attbi_s21...

dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:

The Spew Queen wrote:


Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



[snip]

Hitler was an adherent of atheism and engaged in homosexual activity

http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129143372.689763.127020%40g44

g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128308336.450775.177530%40g47

g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2

000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2

000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2

000cwa.googlegroups.com

Hitler's secular religion

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2

000cwa.googlegroups.com

May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts

1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g20

00cwa.googlegroups.com

1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian doctrine
of redemption"

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2

000cwb.googlegroups.com

Hitler opposed Christianity

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2

000cwa.googlegroups.com

the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2

000cwb.googlegroups.com

Churches resisted Hitler

http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47

g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2

000cwz.googlegroups.com

It is my understanding that all this is hooey. Hitler, despite
protestations, was a roman Catholic along with Mussolini. One
Wonders if they were so evil, why they were never Anathematised
and Excommunicated...


If they had been, would you have joined the Catholic Church?




Does that matter to someone like Bam, PROUD to join a Church with
numerous child molesters, aided and abetted (in the guise of keeping a
good
image) by those higher up?


Perhaps no one should be Chritian according to your standards since one of
the chosen Apostles flat out betrayed Jesus?

BAM


To straighten out history, so that it is an accurate history, will take
some doing.
In that - Judas, the apostle did not betray 'Jesus' as such, only in the
Christian version of the events is this said.
The 'Judas' concerned was another Judas, son? of a High Priest, who was
also named Judas - ie. Judas Ihariot and it was not Judas Iscariot the
Apostle.
http://www.tjresearch.info/tjauthor.htm
As for Hitler, the Plejarens say something along the lines of ---
that Hitler was controlled and manipulated to what he did during WWII etc.
This makes for some kind of sense, in that no one man can be responsible
for all the actions that Hitler ordered/etc - there has to be a controlling
group of people behind it all, the Third Reich, as such.
Same for any other famous leader in history, of the past and recent times -
one man cannot do it all alone, seize power and maintain it - henchmen are
needed to carry it down the chain, such that it affects the population at
large.
Such can be said of religion as well.
You have the so-called story of 'Jesus' (the version that the Christians
present is not altogether accurate, nor true) and then you may well ask ---
well, how does that affect people today? ie. follow the history from the
point of origin to us, today. We know recent history, but not from the
origin, how exactly did events unfold to form the early church and it's
doctrine and teachings, etc. It is not so crystal clear as the Christians
would have us believe. Which is exactly why Christianity has fragmented into
so many different versions of christianity and interpretations of Jesus, etc.
When you look at the Jews and Muslims - you don't observe the exact same
fragmentation/various interpretations? Or do you?
I'm not so familiar with these religions, so I can't say for sure. But to an
outside observer they don't seem to have the same type of fragmentation
that Christianity has - lots upons lots of fragmentation into all manner of
versions. Which are at opposition towards each other.
Of course there is disagreement among Jews and Muslims, within
their own religion, as to how to exactly interpret the ancient holy text --
that is always the case. To know exactly what is meant?
Harvey
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User: "Gods Creator"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 10 Nov 2005 05:44:41 PM
Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:

When you look at the Jews and Muslims - you don't observe the exact same
fragmentation/various interpretations? Or do you?
I'm not so familiar with these religions, so I can't say for sure. But to an
outside observer they don't seem to have the same type of fragmentation
that Christianity has - lots upons lots of fragmentation into all manner of
versions. Which are at opposition towards each other.
Of course there is disagreement among Jews and Muslims, within
their own religion, as to how to exactly interpret the ancient holy text --
that is always the case. To know exactly what is meant?

Harvey


*Thus Spake God's Creator*
So... In that case you simply throw the baby AND
the bath water out, and then form your *OWN* religion.
Since, obviously the flawed religion is... Useless...
Perhaps that is why there are so many world religions
it seems *every body* just developed their own. :-)
--
GOD'S CREATOR
...But, that was my only sin... :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wise men look at unknown things, to broaden their wisdom.
Stupid men kneel down, close their eyes, shout and mumble...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHY ?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner/
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
.
User: "Your Name Here=Harvey"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 10 Nov 2005 08:48:10 PM
In article <JXQcf.221$s14.187@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Really_god_@Go.sh.it says...


Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:

When you look at the Jews and Muslims - you don't observe the exact same
fragmentation/various interpretations? Or do you?
I'm not so familiar with these religions, so I can't say for sure. But to

an

outside observer they don't seem to have the same type of fragmentation
that Christianity has - lots upons lots of fragmentation into all manner of
versions. Which are at opposition towards each other.
Of course there is disagreement among Jews and Muslims, within
their own religion, as to how to exactly interpret the ancient holy text --
that is always the case. To know exactly what is meant?

Harvey



*Thus Spake God's Creator*

So... In that case you simply throw the baby AND
the bath water out, and then form your *OWN* religion.

Since, obviously the flawed religion is... Useless...

Perhaps that is why there are so many world religions
it seems *every body* just developed their own. :-)




--

GOD'S CREATOR
...But, that was my only sin... :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Wise men look at unknown things, to broaden their wisdom.
Stupid men kneel down, close their eyes, shout and mumble...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHY ?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner/
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

I didn't say to form your own religion - as if that will solve anything.
Nor to throw the baby and bath water out - entirely.
There is some truth here and there amongst the 'religion' - it is time
to sort things out once and for all.
And we can do that - if we dare to....
It is possible to see clearly without bias - to get to the truth -
of what happened in earth's history, to verify this or that ...
Harvey
.
User: "wbarwell"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 11 Nov 2005 01:20:41 PM
Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:

In article <JXQcf.221$s14.187@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Really_god_@Go.sh.it says...


Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:

When you look at the Jews and Muslims - you don't observe the
exact same fragmentation/various interpretations? Or do you?
I'm not so familiar with these religions, so I can't say for sure.
But to

an

outside observer they don't seem to have the same type of
fragmentation that Christianity has - lots upons lots of
fragmentation into all manner of versions. Which are at opposition
towards each other. Of course there is disagreement among Jews and
Muslims, within their own religion, as to how to exactly interpret
the ancient holy text -- that is always the case. To know exactly
what is meant?

Harvey



*Thus Spake God's Creator*

So... In that case you simply throw the baby AND
the bath water out, and then form your *OWN* religion.

Since, obviously the flawed religion is... Useless...

Perhaps that is why there are so many world religions
it seems *every body* just developed their own. :-)




--

GOD'S CREATOR
...But, that was my only sin... :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Wise men look at unknown things, to broaden their wisdom.
Stupid men kneel down, close their eyes, shout and mumble...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHY ?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner/
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html


I didn't say to form your own religion - as if that will solve
anything. Nor to throw the baby and bath water out - entirely.

There is some truth here and there amongst the 'religion' - it is
time to sort things out once and for all.
And we can do that - if we dare to....

It is possible to see clearly without bias - to get to the truth -
of what happened in earth's history, to verify this or that ...

The name of this thread is, Hitler was a Christian.
Christianity has never been about truth or facts.
It has been about myth, ideology, propaganda.
The very gospels are filled with contradictions, they
made up their 'facts" to fit mythology, ideology.
Christianity was a battle of christologies, Araian, Pelagian,
Anathasian, Trinitarian, Gnostics, Monophysites and more.
The issues were often settled in the streets with battles
that sometimes left thousands dead. By 400 CE it was settled
with death penatlies, torture, brute armed forced, banishments,
decrees from brutal emperors.
Hitler was at the head of a movement to recast Christianity
into a new religion. The anti-Semitic parts of the gospels
were the key. Christ vs Jews. The Nazi buzzword was Postive
Christianity. A purging of Jewish elements out of Christianity.
A Jesus of apocalypse, war of the Aryan Ubermensch against inferiors,
the Jesus who whipped the money lenders, The Jesus who
was to return with his angels to war against a weak and failed
humanity.
Not too unlike the christian cults that spread in 1500
through Germany after the Reformation, people redefining
christianity again for theirselves.
Positive Christianity, Nazi style died out in 1943
thanks to the distractions of the War with Russia,
failure of the Battle of Britain, collapse of Italy
and defeat of Rommel in North Africa. That rewriting
of Christian ideology and religion was set aside
and never was resumed.
Had Hitler won by crushing Russia, I suppose many
people now would be far different types of Christians
today.
The new papacy in Berlin would be as far from
Christianity Germany 1900 as Pat Robertson would
have been from Roman Catholicism, 1900.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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User: "Gods Creator"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 11 Nov 2005 02:20:55 PM
wbarwell wrote:

Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:


In article <news:JXQcf.221$s14.187@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Really_god_@Go.sh.it says...

....
......
.......




The name of this thread is, Hitler was a Christian.

Christianity has never been about truth or facts.
It has been about myth, ideology, propaganda.
The very gospels are filled with contradictions, they
made up their 'facts" to fit mythology, ideology.

Christianity was a battle of christologies, Araian, Pelagian,
Anathasian, Trinitarian, Gnostics, Monophysites and more.

The issues were often settled in the streets with battles
that sometimes left thousands dead. By 400 CE it was settled
with death penatlies, torture, brute armed forced, banishments,
decrees from brutal emperors.

Hitler was at the head of a movement to recast Christianity
into a new religion. The anti-Semitic parts of the gospels
were the key. Christ vs Jews. The Nazi buzzword was Postive
Christianity. A purging of Jewish elements out of Christianity.
A Jesus of apocalypse, war of the Aryan Ubermensch against inferiors,
the Jesus who whipped the money lenders, The Jesus who
was to return with his angels to war against a weak and failed
humanity.

Not too unlike the christian cults that spread in 1500
through Germany after the Reformation, people redefining
christianity again for theirselves.

Positive Christianity, Nazi style died out in 1943
thanks to the distractions of the War with Russia,
failure of the Battle of Britain, collapse of Italy
and defeat of Rommel in North Africa. That rewriting
of Christian ideology and religion was set aside
and never was resumed.

Had Hitler won by crushing Russia, I suppose many
people now would be far different types of Christians
today.

The new papacy in Berlin would be as far from
Christianity Germany 1900 as Pat Robertson would
have been from Roman Catholicism, 1900.



*Thus Spake God's Creator*
All you say may be truthful history, or maybe not...
Christianity, like *ALL* religions can take on *ANY* form
it's leaders desires. ALL religions are ideologies,
philosophys, or morality guide lines that the populations
generally follow. (In some nations it is the LAW)!
So, what will we call your _Religion_ *Truth Quest ism*.
Religions are like *****-Holes, every one has *at least* ... ONE!
--
GOD'S CREATOR
...But, that was my only sin... :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wise men look at unknown things, to broaden their wisdom.
Stupid men kneel down, close their eyes, shout and mumble...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHY ?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner/
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
.
User: "caesarjbsquitti"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 11 Nov 2005 04:56:40 PM
The Truth and War !
They say the first victim of war is The Truth.
Well there are many 'truths' that are not told to somehow disguise the
Truth about the 2nd world war....you may never find the Truth.
1. There were concentration camps in all countries, even Canada ?
2. The Hollocuast included political prisoners, that were not Jewish ?
3. The rich 'industrailists' from the USA funded the German war
machine ?
4. The English monarchy was in fact German ?
Why the 2nd or why the 1st world war actually started may remain a
mystery....?
Caesar J. B. Squitti
--------------------
The Colours of Truths.
At a recent Remembrance Day service I witnessed the 'flying of the
colours', that included the American and English flags, but did not
include the other flags of the other nations of the world that have
been involved in war. As many Canadians we have family and friends
from all different countries and each was a victimized by war in one
form or another.
I believe it is the nature of "politics", and the polarization of
truths that makes for the polarization of people.
If we are to ever have true peace in this world we must begin with
understanding that the first true victim of war is The Truth, and the
second truth we must remember is that war makes victims of innocent
people of all flags; let us learn that political truths, people and
flags come in all colors.
Caesar J. B. Squitti
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User: ""

Title: Merry Winter Solstice! 06 Dec 2005 01:34:37 PM
Merry Winter Solstice!
Svoray, Yaron and Nick Taylor. 1994. _In Hitler's Shadow: An
Israeli's Journey Inside Germany's Neo-Nazi Movement_, introduction by
Simon Wiesenthal (NY: Nan A. Talese, Doubleday), 275pp. About the
book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0094741700/qid=1133876571/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/102-9159734-8906554?n=507846&s=books&v=glance
In the photo section, there's a picture of a boy/ young man, with the
caption reading:
Young neo-Nazi at the Mullers' Winter Solstice
celebration.
Klemperer, Victor. 1998. _I Will Bear Witness: A Diary of the Nazi
Years: 1933-1941_, translated by Martin Chalmers (NY: Random House),
519pp. This was first published in Germany in 1995. About the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375753788/qid=1133876918/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/102-9159734-8906554?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
On 284, a paragraph from the 25 December 1938 journal entry:
Yesterday for the first time in the Third Reich the Thought
for Christmas in the newspaper was completely
dechristianized. Greater German Christmas-- the rebirth
of light of the German soul, signifying the resurrection of
the German Reich. The Jew Jesus and everything
relating to the spirit and humanity in general excluded. It
has undoubtedly been ordered for _all_ newspapers.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
John Gibson's 2005 _The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban
the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought_
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595230165/qid=1133883431/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-9159734-8906554?n=507846&s=books&v=glance
Nazi removal of crucifixes from schools and hospitals, in
Goebbels: "Goering... addressed a sharp letter to Bishops Galen... and
Berning"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1124768891.979046.93770%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
theological disputes among German Protestants; Nazi concentration camps
for Catholics and Protestants
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1129228612.176548.107730%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Rabbi Lapin on "ethnic Jews whose faith is... Secular Fundamentalism...
drilling holes... in the boat of our culture"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1130966841.647594.258020%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
secular leftist individuals having Jewish ancestors
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1129867015.194883.157910%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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User: "DaveJr"

Title: Re: Merry Winter Solstice! 06 Dec 2005 03:31:32 PM

Merry Winter Solstice!

And a happy moon phase to you too. :)
.





User: "Gods Creator"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 11 Nov 2005 01:02:05 AM
Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:

In article <JXQcf.221$s14.187@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Really_god_@Go.sh.it says...

Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:


When you look at the Jews and Muslims - you don't observe the exact same
fragmentation/various interpretations? Or do you?
I'm not so familiar with these religions, so I can't say for sure. But to


....
........
.........


I didn't say to form your own religion - as if that will solve anything.
Nor to throw the baby and bath water out - entirely.

There is some truth here and there amongst the 'religion' - it is time
to sort things out once and for all.
And we can do that - if we dare to....

It is possible to see clearly without bias - to get to the truth -
of what happened in earth's history, to verify this or that ...

Harvey





*Thus Spake God's Creator*
After all these centuries of people trying to do just
as you propose, You believe you have the answer ? :-)
Now... Just what must we call *YOUR* religion...
Hitler was against all religions and created his own..
I'm sure you remember what it was called :-)
--
GOD'S CREATOR
...But, that was my only sin... :(
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wise men look at unknown things, to broaden their wisdom.
Stupid men kneel down, close their eyes, shout and mumble...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHY ?
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner/
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
.




User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Hitler was a Christian 10 Nov 2005 02:21:20 AM
in article RCycf.48653$ty1.13138@bignews1.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 11/9/05 9:55 PM:


"Paul Duca" <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in message
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in article TMTbf.4159$%k.3926@bignews6.bellsouth.net, bam at
mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 11/7/05 9:11 PM:


"havoc" <havoc@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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dford3@gl.umbc.edu wrote:

The Spew Queen wrote:


Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



[snip]

Hitler was a