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"Eris" |
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12 Dec 2004 11:04:15 AM |
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Hitler was a devote Catholic |
My favorite topic.
Just watched the movie Luther about the guy who got Germany to revolt
against the Catholic Church in the 1500's.
Does anyone know the ratio of Protestants to Catholics in Germany
today. I haven't met many Germans, but the ones I have met have all
been devout Catholics.
What was the ratio of Protestants to Catholics from 1923 to 1945?
Preisen Sie Gott und führen Sie das zyklon B
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| User: "Rune Børsjø" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler was a devote Catholic |
16 Dec 2004 12:26:49 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:15 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
"Hitler was a devote Catholic"
Was he now? Seems to me he was more of a viking. The nazis
incorporated norse faith and mythology in their ideology.
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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
-James Madison
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler was a devote Catholic |
16 Dec 2004 10:20:11 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:26:49 +0100, Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:15 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
"Hitler was a devote Catholic"
Was he now? Seems to me he was more of a viking. The nazis
incorporated norse faith and mythology in their ideology.
Going slightly off on a tangent but still concerned with Christian
and catholic attitudes to the Jew I quote Richard Heydrich
the ruthless oorganiser of the holocaust:
He wrote:
Slovakian officials offered their Jews to us like someone throwing
away sour beer. Tiso, the Catholic priest who ran the government
there, was an anti-Semite.
Tiso's attitude contrasted with mine. I am no anti-Semite. I was just
politically opposed to Jews because they were stealing the breath of
life from us."
http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/trials/profiles/final.html
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Rally" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler was a devote Catholic |
16 Dec 2004 10:45:02 AM |
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"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:otc3s09ujs6cl97aicrtafrdag647teh7v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:26:49 +0100, Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:15 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
"Hitler was a devote Catholic"
Was he now? Seems to me he was more of a viking. The nazis
incorporated norse faith and mythology in their ideology.
Going slightly off on a tangent but still concerned with Christian
and catholic attitudes to the Jew I quote Richard Heydrich
the ruthless oorganiser of the holocaust:
He wrote:
Slovakian officials offered their Jews to us like someone throwing
away sour beer. Tiso, the Catholic priest who ran the government
there, was an anti-Semite.
Tiso's attitude contrasted with mine. I am no anti-Semite. I was just
politically opposed to Jews because they were stealing the breath of
life from us."
http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/trials/profiles/final.html
"Politically" opposed to Jews?
Damn!
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler was a devote Catholic |
17 Dec 2004 05:36:22 PM |
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Rally wrote:
"Les Hellawell" <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:otc3s09ujs6cl97aicrtafrdag647teh7v@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:26:49 +0100, Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:15 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
"Hitler was a devote Catholic"
Was he now? Seems to me he was more of a viking. The nazis
incorporated norse faith and mythology in their ideology.
Going slightly off on a tangent but still concerned with Christian
and catholic attitudes to the Jew I quote Richard Heydrich
the ruthless oorganiser of the holocaust:
He wrote:
Slovakian officials offered their Jews to us like someone throwing
away sour beer. Tiso, the Catholic priest who ran the government
there, was an anti-Semite.
Tiso's attitude contrasted with mine. I am no anti-Semite. I was just
politically opposed to Jews because they were stealing the breath of
life from us."
http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/trials/profiles/final.html
"Politically" opposed to Jews?
Damn!
What did Hitler really say about race? In his
political testament he writes the following:
"Our racial pride is not aggressive except in
so far as the Jewish race is concerned. We use
the term Jewish race as a matter of convenience,
for in reality and from the genetic point of view
there is no such thing as the Jewish race. There
does, however, exist a community, to which, in
fact, the term can be applied and the existence
of which is admitted by the Jews themselves.
It is the spiritually homogeneous group, to
membership of which all Jews throughout the
world deliberately adhere, regardless of their
whereabouts and of their country of domicile;
and it is this group of human beings to which
we give the title Jewish race.....The Jewish
race is first and foremost an abstract race
of the mind.........A race of the mind is
something more solid, more durable than just
a race, pure and simple...."
--
Apes bad! Dust good!
Apes bad! Dust good!
21st Century American Christianity
in a nutshell.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler was a devote Catholic |
16 Dec 2004 03:52:58 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:26:49 +0100, Rune Børsjø <buggeroffm@te.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:15 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
"Hitler was a devote Catholic"
Was he now? Seems to me he was more of a viking. The nazis
incorporated norse faith and mythology in their ideology.
Vikings were a race who converted to Christianity a few hundred years
after the founding of the religion.
If you meant a believer in the long-gone religion of the Norse Gods
then he would not have regarded Jews as Christ-killers. You have to be
Christian for that.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler was a devote Catholic |
16 Dec 2004 04:49:06 AM |
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Rune B=F8rsj=F8 wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:15 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
"Hitler was a devote Catholic"
Was he now? Seems to me he was more of a viking. The nazis
incorporated norse faith and mythology in their ideology.
"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in
his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially
of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word
be desecrated.
For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities.
Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation,
the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own
denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and
most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed
steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt
into the other."
..=2E. Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will
of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am
fighting for the work of the Lord."
- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
"Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as
before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church,
and the church never left him. Great literature was banned by his
church, but his miserable Mien Kampf never appeared on the Index of
Forbidden Books. "
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/james_haught/holy.html
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the
passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and
seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and
adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison."
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more
profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had
to shed his blood upon the Cross."
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice..."
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting
rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have
also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them
work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have
only for their wages wretchedness and misery."
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues
and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no
Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not,
as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom
today this poor people are plundered and exploited."
- Adolf Hitler, "My New Order"
PIUS XII
Eugenio Pacelli, Pope 1939 - 1958
"His Holiness, Pius XII, the best anti-democrat in the world," as he
was in 1950 (!) proudly titled by Ecclesia, official organ of the
Spanish Catholic Action in an attempt to pay him the greatest tribute a
Catholic paper could pay, earlier in his career, as we have seen, had
helped Hitler to come to power in Germany. His policy as a pope was
faithful to his predecessor. When the Spanish republic was finally
defeated by Catholic troops under Franco, would-be dictator of Spain,
the pope sent a special message to the victors:
"With great joy we address you, dearest sons of Catholic Spain, to
express our paternal congratulations for the gift of peace and victory
with which God has chosen to crown the Christian heroism of your faith
..=2E. We give you, our dear sons of Catholic Spain, our apostolic
benediction." [4/17/1939]
Church property and all medieval (!) privileges of the Church were
restored. No other religion was allowed. Protestants and ex-Catholics
were sent to concentration camps for refusing to attend divine service.
Freethinkers, democrats, Socialists and Communists were deprived of
civil rights,imprisoned, or shot.
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"Pius XI, in his own words a "man with no love for democracy," helped
to bring Mussolini's Fascist Party to power in Italy and in 1926
solemnly declared: "Mussolini is a man sent by Divine Providence."
[MC247] In 1935 Fascist Italy attacked and invaded Abyssinia. Since the
population of Italy lacked enthusiasm for this aggression, the pope
hastened to declare a new crusade. For example the Archbishop of
Tarent, holding a Holy Mass on a submarine, declared: "The war against
Abyssinia should be viewed as a Holy War, as a crusade," which also
opened "Ethiopia, the land of infidels and schismatics, to the catholic
Faith."
The pope's emissary in Germany, Papal Nuncio Eugenio Pacelli, the
future Pope Pius XII, helped to demolish the young Weimar republic.
After the liberal democratic Catholic leader Erzberger had been
assassinated, the Pope's exertions became directed to the support of
all Right-Wing movements in Germany, via the influence of the Catholic
Centre Party. On march 23, 1933, the German Reichstag met, and the
Catholic Party, led by its Catholic leaders, former chancellor
Br=3DFCning and prelate Mgr. Kaas, personal friend of Pacelli, voted for
Catholic Hitler. After this, having received, directly from the
Vatican, orders to disband, the Catholic Party dissolved. Preached
Pacelli to the German Catholics:
"=3D2E..it is all the more necessary that the Catholics, deprived of
diplomatic representation, should find in the diplomatic pacts between
the Holy See and the National Socialist Government guarantees which can
assure them ... the maintenance of their position in the life of the
nation."
Mgr. Kaas, leader of the dissolved Catholic Party, put it even more
bluntly: Catholics must support Hitler, he said. They should not have
any fears about it. For Hitler's ideals were "noble ideals."
Furthermore, "Hitler knows well how to guide the ship." In this way the
first successful democracy on german soil had been destroyed.
[MC250-252]
Hitler and 1,700 years of Christian anti-semitism
http://cnn.co.uk/WORLD/9803/16/vatican.holocaust/index.html
http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html
http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/Subject=3D3DHolocaust%2C%20Jewish%20%2819=
39=3D
-1945%29/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/Subject=3D3DJews/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/Subject=3D3DHolocaust/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/Subject=3D3DChristianity%20and%20antisemi=
ti=3D
sm/
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"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land,
it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
-James Madison
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Hitler was a devote Catholic |
17 Dec 2004 05:33:39 PM |
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Rune Børsjø wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:04:15 -0500, Eris <vithant01@yaya.comcast.net>
wrote:
"Hitler was a devote Catholic"
Was he now? Seems to me he was more of a viking. The nazis
incorporated norse faith and mythology in their ideology.
No, Nazis bought into Aryan mythology peddeld by racist
theorists such as Gobineau and his ilk. According to Gobineau,
germans and Scandanavians were descendents of Aryans,
a race that stated in What is now North India and Iran.
All other races are degenerate by comparison.
--
Apes bad! Dust good!
Apes bad! Dust good!
21st Century American Christianity
in a nutshell.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Budikka" |
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12 Dec 2004 12:36:31 PM |
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You could readily have looked this up online.
According to Wikipedia, Protestants and Catholics are evenly divided,
each about 33% of the German population. Islam is the nation's third
largest religion.
According to:
http://www.germanculture.com.ua/library/facts/bl_religion.htm
" Prior to World War II, about two-thirds of the German population was
Protestant and the remainder Roman Catholic."
The article also makes clear what a bunch of cowards the theists were:
" During the Hitler regime, except for individual acts of resistance,
the established churches were unable or unwilling to mount a serious
challenge to the supremacy of the state."
But then Hitler believed he was doing God's work!
Budikka
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