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Date:	18 Jul 2005 08:56:55 PM
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User: "Conspiracy of Doves"
Title: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	19 Jul 2005 10:06:27 AM

The ironic thing is that Hitler's mother was going to have an abortion,
but her doctor talked her out of it.
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User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Title: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	20 Jul 2005 02:00:58 AM

On 19 Jul 2005 08:06:27 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:

The ironic thing is that Hitler's mother was going to have an abortion,
but her doctor talked her out of it.

Imagine the millions of lives that would have been saved as a result!
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User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	20 Jul 2005 03:28:30 PM

During World War Two the Germans put Jews and Communists in
concentration camps. The USA locked also up the Japanese and their
political opponants and for less reason. At the end of the war there
was a lot of deaths in the German camps from disease and starvation
because Germany was being bombed to rubble. There is no evidence that
the Germans had gas chambers or an extermination plan.
Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
"the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
would quarrel over just what happened"
The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
them to Madagascar.

Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
"Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
stable iron-cyanide complex.
"The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are
set out in Table III.
"It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that
the few that were positive were very close to the detection level
(1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absense
of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
all these facilities"
Professional holocaust believers have admitted that the "gas
chamber" which is shown to the tourists at Auschwitz was actually
built by the allies after the war was over. This is what they wrote:
Brian Harmon <harmon@msg.ucsf.edu> wrote in article
<080620000051136373%harmon@msg.ucsf.edu>...
"You're confusing Krema I with Kremas II-V. Krema I is a
reconstruction, this has never been a secret. Kremas II-V
are in their demolished state as they were left."
Charles Don Hall <cdhall-nospam@erols.com> wrote in article
<8F4CB71B7NukuNuku@news.erols.com>...
"Certainly not! The word "fake" implies a deliberate attempt to
deceive.
"The staff of the Auschwitz museum will readily explain that the Nazis
tried to destroy the gas chambers in a futile attempt to conceal their
crimes. And they'll tell you that reconstruction was done later on. So
it
would be dishonest for me to call it a "fake". I'll cheerfully admit
that
it's a "reconstruction" if that makes you happy."
They admit that the "gas chamber" shown to the tourists at
Auschwitz was built by the allies after the war was over. There is no
physical evidence that the Germans had gas chambers. No bodies of
people who died from gas have been found. The Communists were the
first to enter the camps. How do the other allies know the Communists
didn't blow up the buildings? Then they could claim that these
demolished buildings used to be gas chambers.
But then the believers will say the Gemans confessed. Their main
confession is from Hoess. Here are the details:
"In the introduction to Death Dealer [Buffalo: Prometheus, 1992],
the
historian Steven Paskuly wrote: "Just after his capture in 1946, the
British Security Police were able to extract a statement from Hoess
by
beating him and filling him with liquor." Paskuly was reiterating
what
Rupert Butler and Bernard Clarke had already described.

In 1983, Rupert Butler published an unabashed memoir (Legions of
Death,
Hamlyn: London) describing in graphic detail how, over three days, he
and
Clarke and other British policemen managed to torture Hoess into
making a
"coherent statement." According to Butler [Legions of Death, p. 237],
he
and the other interrogators put the boots to Hoess the moment he was
captured. For starters, Clarke struck his face four times to get
Höess to
reveal his true identity.

<quote>
The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of Jewish sergeants in
the
arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an
order
signed by Höss.

The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his
body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables,
where it
seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.

Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off,
unless
you want to take back a corpse."

A blanket was thrown over Höss and he was dragged to Clarke's car,
where
the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his throat.
Höss
tried to sleep.

Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered
in
Geffnan: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine."

For the first time Höss trotted out his oft-repeated justification:
"I
took my orders frorn Himmler. I was a soldier in the same way as you
are
a soldier and we had to obey orders."

The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The
snow was
swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to
walk
completely nude through the prison yard to his cell.
</quote>

An article in the Britsh newspaper Wrexham Leader [Mike Mason, "In a
cell with
a Nazi war criminal -- We kept him awake until he confessed," October
17,
1986] following the airing of a TV documentary on the case of Rudolf
Hoess
included eyewitness recollections by Ken Jones:

<quote>
Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery
stationed at Heid[e] in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us
when
he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities during
the
war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail
cell in
the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed
with
Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help break him down for
interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed
with
axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to
help
break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones. When Höss was taken out
for
exercise he was made to wear only jeans and a cotton shirt in the
bitter
cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Höss finally broke
down
and made a full confession to the authorities.
</quote>

The confession Hoess signed was numbered document NO-1210; later
revamped,
as document PS-3868, which became the basis for an oral deposition
Hoess
made for the IMT on April 15, 1946, a month after it had been
extracted
from him by torture...

Since what people confess to after they have been captured by the
Communists and their liberal comrades is not proof of anything, this
leaves only the stories of survivors. These contradict each other and
not believable. One professional survivor said that he could tell if
the Germans were gassing German Jews or Polish Jews by the color of
the smoke.
The fact that there are so many "survivors" is not proof of an
extermination plan. There may be six million survivors. Just about
every Jew that is old says he is a survivor.
The real "holocaust" was when the Communist Jews murdered millions
of Christians. Communism was Jewish. Here is proof:
Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
"This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)
Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man
and His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941,
translated by Charles Malamuth.
In this book he told who the principle members of the October
Central Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik
Party during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
"In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons
elected by secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the
exception of the four who had recieved the largest number of votes.
Lenin--133 out of a possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131,
Trotzky--131."
Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three
were known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a
Jewess. It was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London
Jewish Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.
David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
Revolution, wrote:
"The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent
of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other
country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a
world-wide revolution."
The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
wrote this:
"There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
movement controlled by Jews."

In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
Amerasia case they were:
Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
ringleader of the group arrested.
Andrew Roth, a Jew.
Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
John Service, a gentile.
Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.
The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was
Gerhart Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist
Party in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.
In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film
writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of
Congress and sentanced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of
the ten were communist party members and the other four were
flagrantly pro-communist.
One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis
and the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National
Secretariat of the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two
gentiles, three nationality unknown.
Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.
Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
Browne.
"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated
in the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were
neither Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing
Jews at all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl
Marx, though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
thoughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two
men who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went thoughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."
The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and
published by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes
Stalin in an interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency.
Stalin said:
"...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
law."
The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
the
U.S. Archives:

State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."

State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."

From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia
on
March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
type"
type."

A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government:
"...(T)here
were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
Imperial Government.

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it
is
organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of
things."
"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish
dissatisfaction
and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
Hebrew, September 10, 1920

"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)

Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by
Stalin
himself:

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism,
as
an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige
of
cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
"Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried
to
read articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in
doing
so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
stuff.
From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I recalled to
mind the
names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then I realized that most
of
them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social Democratic
representatives in
the Imperial Cabinet as well as the secretaries if the Trades Unions
and
the street agitators. Everywhere the same sinister picture presented
itself. I shall never forget the row of names- Austerlitz, David,
Adler,
Ellonbogen, and others. One fact became quite evident to me. It was
that
this alien race held in its hands the leadership of that Social
Democratic
Party with whose minor representatives I had been disputing for
months
past."

Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.

Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
"The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."
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User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton"
Title: Re: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	22 Jul 2005 12:21:25 AM

***** you stupid NAZI *****, no one is going to believe your
revisionist LIES on soc.culture.jewish, so start posting it on
soc.culture.nazis
"Topaz" <mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:utctd1tiukd61p9p6basn9pd9k47t8qbrl@4ax.com...
:
:
: During World War Two the Germans put Jews and Communists in
: concentration camps. The USA locked also up the Japanese and their
: political opponants and for less reason. At the end of the war there
: was a lot of deaths in the German camps from disease and starvation
: because Germany was being bombed to rubble. There is no evidence that
: the Germans had gas chambers or an extermination plan.
:
: Newsweek magazine May 15, 1989 says on page 64:
:
: "the way the Nazis did things: the secrecy, the unwritten orders, the
: destruction of records and the innocent-sounding code names for the
: extermination of the Jews. Perhaps it was inevitable that historians
: would quarrel over just what happened"
:
: The real reason there are no records of an extermination plan is
: because there was no extermination plan. The Germans planned to deport
: the Jews out of Germany. The records show that they planned to move
: them to Madagascar.
:
:
: Here is part of the Leuchter Report:
:
: "Thirty-one samples were selectively removed from the alleged gas
: chambers at Kremas I, II, III, IV and V. A control sample was taken
: from delousing facility #1 at Birkenau. The control sample was removed
: from a delousing chamber in a location where cyanide was known to have
: been used and was apparently present as blue staining. Chemical
: testing of the control sample #32 showed a cyanide content of 1050
: mg/kg, a very heavy concentration. The conditions at areas from which
: these samples were taken are identical with those of the control
: sample, cold, dark, and wet. Only Kremas IV and V differed, in the
: respect that these locations had sunlight (the buildings have been
: torn down) and sunlight may hasten the destruction of uncomplexed
: cyanide. The cyanide combines with the iron in the mortar and brick
: and becomes ferric-ferro-cyanide or prussian blue pigmentation, a very
: stable iron-cyanide complex.
: "The locations from which the analyzed samples were removed are
: set out in Table III.
: "It is notable that almost all the samples were negative and that
: the few that were positive were very close to the detection level
: (1mg/kg); 6.7 mg/kg at Krema III; 7.9 mg/kg at Krerma I. The absense
: of any consequential readings at any of the tested locations as
: compared to the control sample reading 1050 mg/kg supports the
: evidence that these facilities were not execution gas chambers. The
: small quantities detected would indicate that at some point these
: buildings were deloused with Zyklon B - as were all the buildings at
: all these facilities"
:
: Professional holocaust believers have admitted that the "gas
: chamber" which is shown to the tourists at Auschwitz was actually
: built by the allies after the war was over. This is what they wrote:
:
: Brian Harmon <harmon@msg.ucsf.edu> wrote in article
: <080620000051136373%harmon@msg.ucsf.edu>...
:
: "You're confusing Krema I with Kremas II-V. Krema I is a
: reconstruction, this has never been a secret. Kremas II-V
: are in their demolished state as they were left."
:
: Charles Don Hall <cdhall-nospam@erols.com> wrote in article
: <8F4CB71B7NukuNuku@news.erols.com>...
:
: "Certainly not! The word "fake" implies a deliberate attempt to
: deceive.
:
: "The staff of the Auschwitz museum will readily explain that the Nazis
: tried to destroy the gas chambers in a futile attempt to conceal their
: crimes. And they'll tell you that reconstruction was done later on. So
: it
: would be dishonest for me to call it a "fake". I'll cheerfully admit
: that
: it's a "reconstruction" if that makes you happy."
:
: They admit that the "gas chamber" shown to the tourists at
: Auschwitz was built by the allies after the war was over. There is no
: physical evidence that the Germans had gas chambers. No bodies of
: people who died from gas have been found. The Communists were the
: first to enter the camps. How do the other allies know the Communists
: didn't blow up the buildings? Then they could claim that these
: demolished buildings used to be gas chambers.
:
: But then the believers will say the Gemans confessed. Their main
: confession is from Hoess. Here are the details:
:
: "In the introduction to Death Dealer [Buffalo: Prometheus, 1992],
: the
: historian Steven Paskuly wrote: "Just after his capture in 1946, the
: British Security Police were able to extract a statement from Hoess
: by
: beating him and filling him with liquor." Paskuly was reiterating
: what
: Rupert Butler and Bernard Clarke had already described.
:
: In 1983, Rupert Butler published an unabashed memoir (Legions of
: Death,
: Hamlyn: London) describing in graphic detail how, over three days, he
: and
: Clarke and other British policemen managed to torture Hoess into
: making a
: "coherent statement." According to Butler [Legions of Death, p. 237],
: he
: and the other interrogators put the boots to Hoess the moment he was
: captured. For starters, Clarke struck his face four times to get
: Höess to
: reveal his true identity.
:
: <quote>
: The admission suddenly unleashed the loathing of Jewish sergeants in
: the
: arresting party whose parents had died in Auschwitz following an
: order
: signed by Höss.
:
: The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his
: body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables,
: where it
: seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless.
:
: Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: "Call them off,
: unless
: you want to take back a corpse."
:
: A blanket was thrown over Höss and he was dragged to Clarke's car,
: where
: the sergeant poured a substantial slug of whisky down his throat.
: Höss
: tried to sleep.
:
: Clarke thrust his service stick under the man's eyelids and ordered
: in
: Geffnan: "Keep your pig eyes open, you swine."
:
: For the first time Höss trotted out his oft-repeated justification:
: "I
: took my orders frorn Himmler. I was a soldier in the same way as you
: are
: a soldier and we had to obey orders."
:
: The party arrived back at Heide around three in the morning. The
: snow was
: swirling still, but the blanket was torn from Höss and he was made to
: walk
: completely nude through the prison yard to his cell.
: </quote>
:
: An article in the Britsh newspaper Wrexham Leader [Mike Mason, "In a
: cell with
: a Nazi war criminal -- We kept him awake until he confessed," October
: 17,
: 1986] following the airing of a TV documentary on the case of Rudolf
: Hoess
: included eyewitness recollections by Ken Jones:
:
: <quote>
: Mr. Ken Jones was then a private with the Fifth Royal Horse Artillery
: stationed at Heid[e] in Schleswig-Holstein. "They brought him to us
: when
: he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activities during
: the
: war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail
: cell in
: the barracks," recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed
: with
: Mr. Jones to join Höss in his cell to help break him down for
: interrogation. "We sat in the cell with him, night and day, armed
: with
: axe handles. Our job was to prod him every time he fell asleep to
: help
: break down his resistance," said Mr. Jones. When Höss was taken out
: for
: exercise he was made to wear only jeans and a cotton shirt in the
: bitter
: cold. After three days and nights without sleep, Höss finally broke
: down
: and made a full confession to the authorities.
: </quote>
:
: The confession Hoess signed was numbered document NO-1210; later
: revamped,
: as document PS-3868, which became the basis for an oral deposition
: Hoess
: made for the IMT on April 15, 1946, a month after it had been
: extracted
: from him by torture...
:
:
: Since what people confess to after they have been captured by the
: Communists and their liberal comrades is not proof of anything, this
: leaves only the stories of survivors. These contradict each other and
: not believable. One professional survivor said that he could tell if
: the Germans were gassing German Jews or Polish Jews by the color of
: the smoke.
:
: The fact that there are so many "survivors" is not proof of an
: extermination plan. There may be six million survivors. Just about
: every Jew that is old says he is a survivor.
:
: The real "holocaust" was when the Communist Jews murdered millions
: of Christians. Communism was Jewish. Here is proof:
:
: Article Winston Churchill wrote in 1920:
:
: "This movement amongst the Jews (the Russian Revolution) is not new.
: From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down
: to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kuhn (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany)
: and Emma Goldman (United States), this world wide conspiracy for the
: overthrow of civilization and the reconstruction of society on the
: basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible
: equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer,
: Mrs. Nesta Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part
: in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of
: every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at
: last this band of extraordinary personalities has gripped the Russian
: people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the
: undisputed masters of that enormous empire. There is no need to
: exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the
: actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international
: and for the most part atheistic Jews. Moreover, the principal
: inspiration and driving power comes from Jewish leaders." (ibid)
:
:
: Lev Trotzky wrote a book called "Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man
: and His Influence", Harper Bros., New York and London, 1941,
: translated by Charles Malamuth.
:
: In this book he told who the principle members of the October
: Central Committee were. This group was the leadership of the Bolshevik
: Party during the October Revolution. This is what he wrote:
:
: "In view of the Party's semi-legality the names of persons
: elected by secret ballot were not announced at the Congress, with the
: exception of the four who had recieved the largest number of votes.
: Lenin--133 out of a possible 134, Zinoviev--132, Kamenev--131,
: Trotzky--131."
:
: Of these four top leaders of the Bolshevik Party the last three
: were known Jews. Lenin was thought to be a gentile married to a
: Jewess. It was later proven that he was one quarter Jewish, London
: Jewish Chronicle April 21, 1995, Lenin: Life and Legacy.
:
: David Francis, the American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the
: Revolution, wrote:
:
: "The Bolshevic leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent
: of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other
: country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a
: world-wide revolution."
:
: The Director of British Intelligence to the U.S. Secretary of State
: wrote this:
:
: "There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international
: movement controlled by Jews."
:
: In 1945 the FBI arrested six individuals for stealing 1700 highly
: confidential documents from State Department files. This was the
: Amerasia case they were:
:
: Philip Jaffe, a Russian Jew who came to the U.S. in 1905. He was at
: one time the editor of the communist paper "Labor Defense" and the
: ringleader of the group arrested.
:
: Andrew Roth, a Jew.
:
: Mark Gayn, a Jew, changed his name from Julius Ginsberg.
:
: John Service, a gentile.
:
: Emmanuel Larsen, nationality unknown
:
: Kate Mitchel, nationality unknown.
:
: In 1949 the Jewess Judith Coplin was caught passing classified
: documents from Justice Department files to a Russian agent.
:
: The highest ranking communist brought to trial in the U.S. was
: Gerhart Eisler. He was a Jew. He was the secret boss of the Communist
: Party in the U.S. and commuted regularly between the U.S. and Russia.
:
: In 1950 there was the "Hollywood Ten" case. Ten leading film
: writers of the Hollywood Film Colony were convicted for contempt of
: Congress and sentanced to prison. Nine of the ten were Jews. Six of
: the ten were communist party members and the other four were
: flagrantly pro-communist.
:
: One of the top new stories of 1949 was the trial of Eugene Dennis
: and the Convicted Eleven. This group comprised the National
: Secretariat of the American Communist Party. Six were Jews, two
: gentiles, three nationality unknown.
:
: Also in 1949 the German-born atomic scientist Klaus Fuchs was
: convicted for passing atomic secrets to the Russians. Acting on
: information obtained from Fuchs the FBI arrested nine other members of
: the ring. All of them were convicted. Eight of the nine were Jews.
:
: Here are some quotes from a very pro-Jewish book that was first
: published in 1925. The book is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis
: Browne.
:
: "But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated
: in the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were
: neither Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing
: Jews at all.
: "For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
: unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
: was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
: "Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl
: Marx, though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
: Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
: in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
: himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
: a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
: thoughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."
:
:
: "Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two
: men who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
: revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
: Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
: lineage played important roles in the struggle that went thoughout
: Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
: waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
: the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
: social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
: the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."
:
: The book "Soviet Russia and the Jews" by Gregor Aronson and
: published by the American Jewish League Against Communism, quotes
: Stalin in an interview in 1931 with the Jewish Telegraph Agency.
: Stalin said:
:
: "...Communists cannot be anything but outspoken enemies of
: Anti-Semitism. We fight anti-Semites by the strongest methods in the
: Soviet Union. Active anti-Semites are punished by death under the
: law."
:
: The following quotes are taken directly from documents available from
: the
: U.S. Archives:
:
: State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
: general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
: government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."
:
: State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
: July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
: government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."
:
: From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia
: on
: March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
: Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
: United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
: beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
: type"
: type."
:
: A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
: reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government:
: "...(T)here
: were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
: 22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
: come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
: Imperial Government.
:
: The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
: spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it
: is
: organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
: object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of
: things."
: "The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
: Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
: new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
: Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish
: dissatisfaction
: and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
: physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
: Hebrew, September 10, 1920
:
: "In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
: communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
: the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
:
: Interestingly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
: so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by
: Stalin
: himself:
:
: "National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
: customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism,
: as
: an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige
: of
: cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
: death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
:
:
: Here is a quote from Mein Kampf:
:
: "Making an effort to overcome my natural reluctance, I tried
: to
: read articles of this nature published in the Marxist Press; but in
: doing
: so my aversion increased all the more. And then I set about learning
: something of the people who wrote and published this mischievous
: stuff.
: From the publisher downwards, all of them were Jews. I recalled to
: mind the
: names of the public leaders of Marxism, and then I realized that most
: of
: them belonged to the Chosen Race- the Social Democratic
: representatives in
: the Imperial Cabinet as well as the secretaries if the Trades Unions
: and
: the street agitators. Everywhere the same sinister picture presented
: itself. I shall never forget the row of names- Austerlitz, David,
: Adler,
: Ellonbogen, and others. One fact became quite evident to me. It was
: that
: this alien race held in its hands the leadership of that Social
: Democratic
: Party with whose minor representatives I had been disputing for
: months
: past."
:
: Solzhenitsyn named in his book the six top administrators of the
: Soviet death camps. All six of them were Jews.
:
: Here is something the National Socialists wrote:
:
: "The Soviet Union was in fact a paradise for one group: the Jews. Even
: at times when for foreign policy reasons Jews were less evident in the
: government, or when they ruled through straw men, the Jews were always
: visible in the middle and lower levels of the administration."
:
:
:
:
:
:
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: http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	23 Jul 2005 02:25:54 PM

"Rudolph Vrba was a well-known survivor of Auschwitz,
who claimed to have seen gassings of people. But in the 1985
trial in Toronto, for the first time he was questioned very
closely under oath, by Doug Christie, Ernst Zundel's attorney,
with advice and with help from Robert Faurisson, the French
revisionist scholar. And Rudolph Vrba collapsed, basically. He
admitted that many of the claims that he had been making, in a
bestselling book about his experiences, were false. And he
resorted, finally, to saying, well, it's "poetic license," it's
an exaggeration - basically, it's a lie.
Another witness, Raul Hilberg, who is the author of a well-known
standard work on the "holocaust" question, was also forced to
concede things, too, that were very astonishing. And these were
reported in the newspapers very widely at the time. Now the
second trial did not receive the same media coverage in Canada,
but it did still receive some. And in the second trial, Fred
Leuchter was one of the most outstanding witnesses. Even David
Irving testified in that trial. I testified for five days in the
trial.
The Canadian Jewish groups, and the American Jewish groups, were
furious at the result, and have done everything in their power to
silence this man.
KAS: So, even after the Holocaust Trial 1 and Holocaust Trial 2
had concluded, and Zundel had been vindicated, they were still
after him to close down the zundelsite.org Web site. Is that
correct?
MW: Right. One of the supreme ironies involving the "Human Rights
Tribunal" was that they were declaring that a booklet called Did
Six Million Really Die?, which was posted on the Zundelsite, was
the first and foremost example of "hatred." The irony is that
this was the same booklet that was the object of dispute in the
two major trials - and the Canadian Supreme Court affirmed the
legality and the lawfulness of publishing and distributing
precisely that booklet.
So, as it were, through the back door, these Canadian Jewish
groups tried to get Ernst Zundel silenced, put in jail, or fined,
for publishing on the Internet what the Canadian Supreme Court
said was legal in printed and published form! It's absurd!
KAS: In addition to this, he was getting violence and threats of
violence at his home in Canada. Can you fill us in on that a
little bit?
MW: He was the victim of numerous physical attacks by Jewish
terrorists. There were, I think, at least three attempts on his
life, including an arson attack. This was a devastating attack on
his home and residence, the so-called Zundelhaus, on Carlton
Street, not far from downtown Toronto.
KAS: Now Mr. Zundel is married to a German-American lady of some
repute as a novelist, lecturer, and historical writer herself.
MW: That's right. Ingrid Rimland is a noted, even distinguished,
author in her own right. She wrote a novel some years ago called
The Wanderers. She's a naturalized American citizen. And one of
the most bizarre, peculiar aspects of this recent arrest, which I
still don't quite know the answer to, is how it's possible for
the husband of an American citizen to be deported. Normally,
that's not done.
And Ernst Zundel has violated no law in the United States or in
Canada. I know - and many others can testify - that he's
scrupulous in obeying laws. But supposedly, having missed some
procedural matter, some hearing, this is again a little unclear,
he's being banned from the United States for twenty years! And
this even though he's married to an American citizen!
Now this is so unusual, this is so unique, that it gives every
appearance of being a targeted action by U.S. authorities against
a man for his political views.
KAS: Now, Dr. Rimland - Mrs. Zundel - is devoting every waking
hour, I presume, to her husband's battle for freedom.
MW: Right.
KAS: She has empowered you to be the public voice in this case.
Is that correct?
MW: She's asked me to do it, because she is pretty distraught,
pretty upset about all of this. And she says she's lost weight,
and it's been very distressing, because it's her husband.
KAS: I can imagine.
MW: Also, she is so close to the matter, she felt that I could
give a little more background or perspective to it all than
perhaps she could. But anyway, I am doing this because she asked
me to.
KAS: Is publicity helpful at this stage?
MW: Yes it is. There's been some coverage in the local newspaper
in Tennessee; there have also been some articles in the Canadian
press. But the more press about this the better. The more media
coverage the better. Because it is really an unfair and unjust
persecution of this man.
As all your listeners know, there are millions of illegal aliens
living here in the United States. For the United States to single
out Ernst Zundel is outrageous. The only groups which have a big
interest in deporting Ernst Zundel are the Jewish groups. And
they've been very vociferous in their demands that Ernst Zundel
be kicked out of the United States.
KAS: Well, he had trouble getting citizenship in Canada, did he
not? And Canada is famous for having a very lax immigration and
naturalization policy. Was it due to Jewish pressure that he
could not obtain Canadian citizenship?
MW: There were no real valid reasons given. His citizenship
request was rejected, even though, as I said, he has no criminal
record in Canada. He's been, actually, a very productive citizen.
Before he became involved in this campaign, he built a very good
career as a graphic artist. He's a very talented artist, and his
artwork appeared widely and commercially in Canada, including
once on the front cover of Maclean's magazine, the equivalent of
Newsweek or Time, the leading news magazine in that country. He's
a man who, I think, would be successful in almost any endeavor,
any field that he had decided to go into.
But even though he has a clean record as far as the law is
concerned in Canada, even though he's been a successful man, a
man who has been no charge on the public system in that country,
his citizenship was rejected. And, as I say, all the Canadian
Jewish organizations, and American Jewish organizations, were
rabid and vociferous in demanding that he not be given
citizenship, that he be silenced, that any pretext be found to
shut this man up.
KAS: So finally, I believe in the year 2000, he decided to become
a naturalized American. He was married to an American citizen. He
was living completely legally in Tennessee. He had followed
through with all the necessary permits and paperwork. What
happened? What was the pretext for this arrest?
MW: It's claimed that he missed a hearing. Now, anyone who knows
Ernst Zundel knows that this is a man who is extremely careful
about dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s of laws and
regulations.
We're also told that his implicit visa or permission to stay in
the United States had expired. But we don't really know yet quite
what the actual reason is. Those are the reasons we're given. But
they don't stand up, they don't make sense.
In any case, it seems that the authorities have seized upon a
pretext to nab him, grab him, and throw him out of the country.
KAS: Initial reports suggest that the order for the arrest came
from "a very high level." What do you know about that?
MW: Well, I don't really know about that. But when heard of the
arrest of Ernst Zundel I immediately thought of an American
Dissident Voices broadcast just a few weeks ago about the
activities of a Mr. Chertoff in the Justice Department, who has
been taking measures to silence Americans whom he doesn't like.
Now, I can't prove any connection - but there do seem to be
increasing activities by American authorities to find pretexts to
silence people. We just don't know the whole story yet.
But it's a very ominous thing, especially during the time that
we're living in right now. Your listeners may know that the Bush
administration is already drafting a new so-called "Patriot Act
2" law, which will give the Attorney General sweeping powers to
arrest and hold people indefinitely as so called "supporters of
terrorism" on very, very flimsy grounds. These are ominous
developments for all Americans.
And the Ernst Zundel arrest seems to be completely consistent
with this effort by the U.S. government in its so-called "War
Against Terrorism" to stamp down dissent of any kind.
KAS: Indeed these are ominous signs.
MW: One of my fears is that, as the attention of the world is
drawn to the impending war against Iraq, measures like the arrest
of Ernst Zundel will not get the attention that they normally
would. Just as with the brutal treatment of the Palestinians -
which is now just incredible. The Palestinians are now living in
a kind of quasi-ghetto or concentration camp. It's just
unbelievable the repression that they're subjected to. But this
is getting a lot less attention and has elicited a lot less
outrage right now, because I think that the attention of most of
the world is turned toward the prospect of a devastating war in
Iraq that may cause the deaths of enormous numbers of people.
KAS: Here we have almost an open border policy in the United
States. Millions of illegal aliens are here. More are pouring
into this country every day. They're openly flouting the law and
taking over huge sections of the United States. They get away
with it. The politicians offer them amnesty. And yet an artist, a
writer, a lifelong pacifist -- Ernst Zundel -- dares to speak
some criticisms of the Jewish lobby, and he's hounded like a
felon.
MW: Yes. You know, there are two contradictory trends going on in
the United States. The same government that wants to "crack down"
and ensure so-called security against so-called terrorism is the
same government that permits millions of illegal aliens to live
here. It's almost schizophrenic. It's crazy. Supposedly, since
September 11th, some 700,000 additional illegal aliens have come
into the United States. At the same time, the American government
is supposedly "cracking down" on security in this country. The
end result of all of this is that it's only able to crack down on
obvious and basically harmless targets like Ernst Zundel. People
who are really dedicated terrorists can easily slip through all
of this precisely because our laws in so many other areas are so
lax.
KAS: I understand that B'nai Brith Canada has issued a statement
urging Canada not to take Ernst Zundel back. Is there some sort
of deeper game being played here?
MW: It's obvious. Both B'nai Brith Canada, which is their
counterpart of the ADL in this country, and the Simon Wiesenthal
Center, another powerful Jewish Zionist organization both in the
United States and Canada, are both demanding that the Canadian
government not accept Ernst Zundel. It's obvious that the only
really important, vociferous, dedicated enemies of Ernst Zundel
are the Jewish groups. No one else, really, regards Ernst Zundel
as any kind of danger.
To me, the outrage of it is that Ernst Zundel is asking for
freedom of speech. The organizations arrayed against him are all
dedicated, staunch apologists for a regime, namely Israel, that
by all standards is violating international law: killing people,
invading other countries. If standards are applied in any kind of
consistent way, it struck me as I was testifying, that the
lawyers of those organizations, and those organizations
themselves, should be in the dock - not Ernst Zundel.
KAS: Indeed. It's a supreme irony: When Ariel Sharon comes to the
United States, he's feted like a hero.
MW: I've said it many times: If the United States applied to
Israel the standards it applies to Serbia or Iraq or other
countries, U.S. bombers would be preparing to bomb Tel Aviv, and
not Baghdad.
KAS: Do you think there is any plan - or any chance - that
Ernst Zundel will be forced to go to Germany?
MW: Apparently there seems to be no immediate prospect of that.
When I spoke to him the other day, he seemed fairly certain that
the next step is that he'll be deported to Canada. But looming
behind all of this is the great danger that he'll be deported to
Europe and thrown in jail.
Just the other week, an 82-year-old man in Switzerland was forced
to start a 13-month prison sentence: Gaston Amaudruz. He's an
82-year-old fellow. He publishes a little newsletter; and for
so-called "denying the holocaust," he's now serving 13 months in
a Swiss prison. Another man, Jean Plantin, has also been
sentenced to imprisonment for his defiance of these same kinds of
laws in France. And similar laws exist in Germany, in Austria, in
the Netherlands, in Belgium, and in other countries. They're
palpably unjust laws because they are selective laws: They apply
only to one chapter of history, the so-called "denying" of the
so-called Jewish "holocaust." No other chapter of history is
treated in this way.
KAS: Is there anything that our listeners can do, any sort of
pressure that we can exert, to prevent this horrible miscarriage
of justice?
MW: They can spread the word, by notifying their newspapers,
their Congressmen, and other people. They can get information
about all this both from the Web site of the Institute for
Historical Review, which is <http://www.ihr.org> or from the
Zundelsite <http://www.zundelsite.org> -- which is linked to our
site, by the way - which has an immense amount of information as
well.
Again, as Ingrid Rimland says: always be firm but polite. Don't
be vindictive, don't use crude language. You can also talk to the
immigration authorities, the I.N.S. Ingrid Rimland, in her recent
daily messages, has provided lists of media and other outlets she
is urging people to contact. But the main thing for information
on all this is to check the IHR site and the Zundelsite.
Robert Faurisson wrote in 1988 about Ernst Zundel, just before
the verdict was handed down in that trial, and I quote:
Zundel may once again go to prison for his research and beliefs,
or be threatened with deportation. All this is possible. Anything
may happen when there is an intellectual crisis and a realignment
of historical concepts on such a dimension. Revisionism is the
great intellectual adventure of the end of this century. Whatever
happens, Ernst Zundel is already the victor.
And that's very true. The great victory is that Ernst Zundel put
on the public record - and made the world much more aware than
it ever was before - of the shoddy, fragile, and bogus nature of
much of what is called the "holocaust" story. And he fortified -
immensely - the international community of those people who have
spent tremendous amounts of time and energy to look at this in a
dissident way.
KAS: Thank you very much, Mark Weber. I urge all of our listeners
to contact you via your Web site and keep updated on this
situation -- and to do everything you can to help free Ernst
Zundel.
MW: Thanks a lot, Kevin, and all the best to you."
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User: "Christopher A. Lee"
Title: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	20 Jul 2005 05:00:41 PM

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:28:30 -0500, Topaz <mars1933@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Is this a new loonie or one of the regulars?
<plonk>
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User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	21 Jul 2005 08:44:36 PM

by Theodore J. O'Keefe
Nothing has been more effective in establishing the authenticity of
the Holocaust story in the minds of Americans than the terrible scenes
US troops discovered when they entered German concentration camps at
the close of World War II.
At Dachau, Buchenwald, Dora, Mauthausen, and other work and detention
camps, horrified US infantrymen encountered heaps of dead and dying
inmates, emaciated and diseased. Survivors told them hair-raising
stories of torture and slaughter, and backed up their claims by
showing the GIs crematory ovens, alleged execution gas chambers,
supposed implements of torture, and even shrunken heads and
lampshades, gloves, and handbags purportedly made from skin flayed
from dead inmates.
US government authorities, mindful that many Americans who remembered
the atrocity stories fed them during World War I still doubted the
Allied propaganda directed against the Hitler regime, resolved to
"document" what the GIs had found in the camps. Prominent newsmen
and politicians were flown in to see the harrowing evidence, while
the US Army Signal Corps filmed and photographed the scenes for
posterity. Famous journalist Edward R. Murrow reported, in tones of
horror, but no longer of disbelief, what he had been told and shown,
and Dachau and
Buchenwald were branded on the hearts and minds of the American
populace as names of infamy unmatched in the sad and bloody history
of this planet.
For Americans, what was "discovered" at the camps -- the dead and the
diseased, the terrible stories of the inmates, all the props of
torture and terror -- became the basis not simply of a transitory
propaganda campaign but of the conviction that, yes, it was true: the
Germans did exterminate six million Jews, most of them in lethal gas
chambers.
What the GIs found was used, by way of films that were mandatory
viewing for the vanquished populace of Germany, to "re-educate" the
German people by destroying their national pride and their will to a
united, independent national state, imposing in their place
overwhelming feelings of collective guilt and political impotence.
And when the testimony, and the verdict, of the Nuremberg Tribunal
incorporated most, if not all, of the horror stories Americans were
told about
Dachau, Buchenwald, and other places captured by the US Army, the
Holocaust could pass for one of the most documented, one of the most
authenticated, one of the most proven historical episodes in the
human record.
A Different Reality
But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the
camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the
camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching
military public information officers, government spokesmen,
politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.
When American and British forces overran western and central Germany
in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with
discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.
Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic
pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate
General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team,
Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German
camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim
work at Dachau, he was
questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors.
Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What
we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that
is a hoax." And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his
biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist
on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations,
confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."
Typhus, Not Poison Gas
If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau,
Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or
deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as
well.
As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief
cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease,
above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until
recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together
in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had
broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in
Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic
delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the
virtual
collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led
to catastrophe.
Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and
mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D.,
Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the
Harvard University School of Public Health, who was with US forces in
Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in
concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus
infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes
for the outbreaks as follows:
Germany in the spring months of April and May [1945] was an
astounding sight, a mixture of humanity travelling this way and that,
homeless, often hungry and carrying typhus with them ...Germany was in
chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing
armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the
spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were
seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor,
housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere
lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring
such as few countries and few times have experienced.
Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russell Barton, today a
psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with
British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who
volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn
oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who
died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II
weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of
diseases."
Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited
stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue
after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously
maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed
each day.
Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to
the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy
of extermination through starvation in the German camps.
No 'Human Skin' Lampshades
What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for
their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other
artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks,"
whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are
reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and
even more grotesque ones proffered by Soviet prosecutors, found their
way into the record at Nuremberg.
The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch,
dubbed by journalists the "***** of Buchenwald," who was reported to
have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned
hides of luckless inmates.
But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the US zone of occupied
Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in
Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch]
selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins
or that she possessed any articles made of human skin." In an
interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material
for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was
goat flesh. But
at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for
her to have gotten a fair trial." Ilse Koch hanged herself in a German
jail in 1967.
It would be tedious to itemize and refute the thousands of bizarre
claims as to Nazi atrocities. That there were instances of German
cruelty, however, is clear from the testimony of Dr. Konrad Morgen, a
legal investigator attached to the Reich Criminal Police, whose
statements on the witness stand at Nuremberg have never been
challenged by proponents of the Jewish Holocaust story. Dr. Morgen
informed the court that he had been given full authority by Heinrich
Himmler,
commander of Hitler's SS and the dread Gestapo, to enter any German
concentration camp and investigate instances of cruelty and corruption
on the part of camp personnel. As he explained in sworn testimony at
Nuremberg, Dr. Morgen investigated 800 such cases, resulting in more
than 200 convictions. Punishments included the death penalty for the
worst offenders, including Hermann Florstedt, commandant of Lublin
(Majdanek), and Karl Koch (Ilse's husband), commandant of Buchenwald.
While German camp commandants in certain cases did inflict physical
punishment, such acts had to be approved by authorities in Berlin, and
it was required that a camp physician first certify the good health of
the prisoner to be disciplined, and then be on hand at the actual
beating. After all, throughout most of the war the camps were
important centers of industrial activity. The good health and morale
of the prisoners was critical to the German war effort, as is
evidenced in a January 1943 order issued by SS General Richard Glücks,
chief of the office that supervised the
concentration camps. It held the camp commanders "personally
responsible for exhausting every possibility to preserve the physical
strength of the detainees." Camp Survivors: Merely Victims?
US Army investigators, working at Buchenwald and other camps, quickly
ascertained what was common knowledge among veteran inmates: that the
worst offenders, the cruelest denizens of the camps, were not the
guards but the prisoners themselves. Common criminals of the same
stripe as those who populate US prisons today committed many
villainies, particularly when they held positions of authority, and
fanatical Communists, highly organized to combat their many
political enemies among the inmates, eliminated their foes with
Stalinist ruthlessness. Two US Army investigators at Buchenwald, Egon
W. Fleck and Edward A. Tenenbaum, carefully investigated circumstances
in the camp before its liberation. In a detailed report submitted to
their superiors, they revealed, in the words of Alfred Toombs, their
commander, who wrote a preface to the report, "how the prisoners
themselves organized a deadly terror within the Nazi terror."
Fleck and Tenenbaum described the power exercised by criminals and
Communists as follows:
The trusties, who in time became almost exclusively Communist
Germans, had the power of life and death over all other inmates. They
could sentence a man or a group to almost certain death ... The
Communist trusties were directly responsible for a large part of the
brutalities at Buchenwald.
Colonel Donald B. Robinson, chief historian of the American military
government in Germany, summarized the Fleck-Tenenbaum report in an
article published in an American magazine shortly after the war.
Colonel Robinson wrote succinctly of the American investigators'
findings: "It appeared that the prisoners who agreed with the
Communists ate; those who didn't starved to death."
Additional corroboration of inmate brutality has been provided by
Ellis E. Spackman, who, as Chief of Counter-Intelligence Arrests and
Detentions for the US Seventh Army, was involved in the liberation of
Dachau. Spackman, later a professor of history at San Bernardino
Valley College in California, wrote in 1966 that at Dachau "the
prisoners were the actual instruments that inflicted the barbarities
on their fellow prisoners."
'Gas Chambers'
In December 1944 US Army officers Colonel Paul Kirk and Lt. Colonel
Edward J. Gully inspected the German concentration camp at
Struthof-Natzweiler in Alsace. They submitted their findings to their
superiors at the headquarters of the US 6th Army Group, which
subsequently forwarded their report to the US War Crimes Division.
While, significantly, the full text of their report has never been
published, it has been revealed, by a historian supportive of
Holocaust claims, that the two investigators were careful to
characterize equipment exhibited to them by French informants as a
"so-called lethal gas chamber," and to claim it was "allegedly used as
a lethal gas chamber." (Emphasis added)
Both the careful phraseology of the Natzweiler report, and its
effective suppression, stand in stark contrast to the credulity, the
confusion, and the blaring publicity that accompanied official reports
of alleged gas chambers at Dachau. At first, a US Army photo depicting
a GI gazing at a steel door marked with a skull and crossbones and the
German words for: "Caution! Gas! Mortal danger! Don't open!," was
identified as showing the murder weapon.
Later, however, it was evidently decided that the apparatus in
question was merely a standard delousing chamber for clothing, and
another alleged gas chamber, this one cunningly disguised as a shower
room, was exhibited to American congressmen and journalists as the
site where thousands breathed their last. While there exist numerous
reports in the press as to the operation of this second "gas chamber,"
no official report by trained Army investigators has yet surfaced to
reconcile such problems as the function of the shower heads: Were they
"dummies," or did lethal cyanide gas stream through them? (Each theory
has appreciable support in journalistic and
historiographical literature.)
As with Dachau, so with Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and the other camps
liberated by the Allies in western Germany. There was no end of
propaganda about "gas chambers," "gas ovens," and the like, but so far
not a single detailed description of the murder weapon and its
function, not a single report of the kind that is mandatory for the
successful prosecution of any assault or murder case in America at
that time and today, has come to light.
Furthermore, a number of Holocaust authorities have now publicly
decreed that there were no gassings, no extermination camps in Germany
after all. (We are now told that "gassing" and "extermination" camps
were located exclusively in what is now Poland, in areas captured by
the Soviet Red Army and made off-limits to western investigators.)
Dr. Martin Broszat of the Munich-based Institute for Contemporary
History, which is funded by the German government, stated
categorically in a 1960 letter to the German weekly Die Zeit: "Neither
in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other
prisoners gassed." Professional "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal stated
in 1975 and again in 1993 that "there were no
extermination camps on German soil."
Dachau "gas chamber" No. 2, which was once presented to a stunned and
grieving world as a weapon that claimed hundreds of thousands of
lives, is now described in the brochure issued to tourists at the
modern Dachau "memorial site" in these words: "This gas chamber,
camouflaged as a shower room, was not used."
The Propaganda Intensifies
More than 50 years after American troops entered Dachau, Buchenwald
and other German camps, and trained American investigators established
the facts as to what had gone on in them, the government in
Washington, the entertainment media in Hollywood, and the print media
in New York continue to churn out millions of words and images
annually on the horrors of the camps and the infamy of the Holocaust.
Despite the fact that, with the exception of the defeated Confederacy,
no enemy of America has ever so suffered so complete and devastating
defeat as did Germany in 1945, the mass media and the politicians and
bureaucrats behave as if Hitler, his troops, and his concentration
camps continue to exist in an eternal present, and our opinion makers
continue to distort, through ignorance or malice, the facts about the
camps.
Time for the Truth
It is time that the government and the professional historians reveal
the facts about Dachau, Buchenwald and the other camps. It is time
they let the American public know how the inmates died, and how they
didn't die. It is time that the claims of mass murder by gassing are
clarified and investigated in the same manner as any other claims of
murder. It is time that the free ride certain groups have enjoyed as
the result of unchallenged Holocaust claims be terminated, just as it
is time to end the scapegoating of other groups, including Germans,
eastern Europeans, the
Roman Catholic hierarchy, and the wartime leadership of America and
Britain, either for their alleged role in the Holocaust or their
supposed failure to stop it.
Above all, it is time that the citizens of this great Republic have
the facts about the camps, facts they have a right to know, a right
that is fundamental to the exercise of their authority and their will
in the governance of their country. As citizens and as taxpayers,
Americans of all ethnic backgrounds, of all faiths, have a basic right
and an overriding interest in determining the facts of incidents that
are deemed by those in positions of power to be significant in
determining America's foreign and educational policy, as well as its
selection of past events to be memorialized in our
civic life.
Today the alleged facts of the Holocaust are at issue all over the
civilized world. The truth will be decided only by recourse to the
facts, in the public forum: not by concealing the facts, denying the
truth, stonewalling reality. The truth will out, and it is time the
government of this country, and governments and international bodies
throughout the world, make public the evidence of what actually
transpired in the German concentration camps in the years 1933-1945,
so that we may put paid to the lies, without fear or favor, and carry
out the work of reconciliation and renewal that is and must be the
granite foundation of mutual tolerance between peoples and of a peace
based on justice.
Summary
The conclusions of the early US Army investigations as to the truth
about the wartime German concentration camps have since been
corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:
1.The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result
of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of
epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the
effects of Allied aerial attacks.
2.Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and
others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or
amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German
authorities punished corruption and cruelty on the part of camp
commanders and guards.
3.On the other hand, portrayals of the newly liberated inmates as
saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from the
truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on camp detainees
were the work of their fellow prisoners, in contravention of German
policy and German orders.
4.The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers were used either for
bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they
were used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible
fabrication. Orthodox historians and professional "Nazi-hunters" have
quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald
and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep silent
regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an
open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and
the
other camps captured by the Soviets.

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User: "Alexander Glover"
Title: Re: Hitler Was Pro-Life	21 Jul 2005 09:35:07 AM

To your tagline:
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening

Do some more research. It's actually no worse than Clinton's. Neither are
truthfully balanced.

The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting

The unemployment rate actually went down after 2002. Look it up on the
Economist

The Bush Iraq lie: -1767 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Not a lie. I was there. I honestly believe it is a necessary war. Death
happens in war. Don't degrade our soldiers' death by acting like a fool.
When we die, we don't like people to tell us it wasn't worth it. To us, it
is.

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
"Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
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On 19 Jul 2005 08:06:27 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:

The ironic thing is that Hitler's mother was going to have an abortion,
but her doctor talked her out of it.

Imagine the millions of lives that would have been saved as a result!

-----

Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka

aka
Yang's little poltregeist *****)

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1767 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"
Title: Oops, NeoCon Traitor "Alexander Glover" Gets His * Kicked	22 Jul 2005 01:34:53 AM

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:35:07 -0500, "Alexander Glover"
<alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote:

To your tagline:

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening

Do some more research. It's actually no worse than Clinton's. Neither are
truthfully balanced.

Bzzzz, you're a fucking moron:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm
year Total National Debt in TRILLIONS
2004 7.4 0.57
2002 6.23 0.6
2001 5.81 0.42
2000 5.67 0.14
1999 5.66 0.01
1998 5.53 0.13
1997 5.41 0.12
1996 5.22 0.19
1995 4.97 0.25
1994 4.67 0.3
1993 4.41 0.26
1992 4.06 0.35
Since morons like you have trouble doing math, the national Debt went
up by only 1.2 Trillion during 8 Years of Clinton, while the national
debt went up by 1.6 Trillion in only 3 years of Bush mismanagement.
This looks even worse when you realize that the GDP growth rate was
higher during Clinton than AWOL.
Strike One

The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting

The unemployment rate actually went down after 2002. Look it up on the
Economist

Bzzz. Since you are too stupid to realize the difference between
changes in non-farm employment (NFE) and unemployemnt rate, let me
explain it to you using simple sentences: the Bureau of Labor
Statistics (www.bls.gov) calculates unemployment rates by using people
who are looking for jobs as a denominator. Your decline in
unemployment rate occured because people simply STOPPED looking for
work.
Strike Two

The Bush Iraq lie: -1767 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Where's that WMD again, *****?
Stirke Three.
Oh yeah, why don't you tell this guy his son's death was "worth it",
you fucking NeoCon traitor?
http://www.wkyc.com/galleries/galleries_fullstory.asp?id=23210

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On 19 Jul 2005 08:06:27 -0700, "Conspiracy of Doves"
<mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote:

The ironic thing is that Hitler's mother was going to have an abortion,
but her doctor talked her out of it.

Imagine the millions of lives that would have been saved as a result!

-----

Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka

aka
Yang's little poltregeist *****)

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and
counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1767 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting

Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless

-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec (aka

aka Yang's little poltregeist *****)
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1771 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.

User: "Topaz"
Title: Re: Oops, NeoCon Traitor "Alexander Glover" Gets His * Kicked	23 Jul 2005 02:28:26 PM

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 23:34:53 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's
Cocaine Snorting *****" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:35:07 -0500, "Alexander Glover"
<alexanderglover@cox.net> wrote:

To your tagline:

The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.6 trillion and worsening

Do some more research. It's actually no worse than Clinton's. Neither are
truthfully balanced.

Bzzzz, you're a fucking moron:

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

year Total National Debt in TRILLIONS
2004 7.4 0.57
2002 6.23 0.6
2001 5.81 0.42
2000 5.67 0.14
1999 5.66 0.01
1998 5.53 0.13
1997 5.41 0.12
1996 5.22 0.19
1995 4.97 0.25
1994 4.67 0.3
1993 4.41 0.26
1992 4.06 0.35

Since morons like you have trouble doing math, the national Debt went
up by only 1.2 Trillion during 8 Years of Clinton, while the national
debt went up by 1.6 Trillion in only 3 years of Bush mismanagement.
This looks even worse when you realize that the GDP growth rate was
higher during Clinton than AWOL.

Strike One

The system should be changed.
The money system we have today is called the debt-money
system. It is corrupt and needs to be replaced. The only way money
comes into existence today is when it is borrowed. There is no freely
existing money supply, but only borrowed money that needs to be paid
back to bankers with interest. If all the money that was owed to
bankers was ever paid back there would be no money left in circulation
and this would be a great depression. What makes matters even worse is
that when money is created only the principle of the loan is created.
The money needed to pay the interest is never created. For this reason
it is impossible to pay back the principle plus the interest on all of
the loans that make up our money supply. The extra amount of money
needed to pay the interest was never created and does not exist.
The United States government borrows money from the Federal
Reserve Bank. This bank is not federal but owned by private
stockholders. It is in the business section of the phone book, not the
government section. Other banks also create the money in our money
supply. They are allowed to loan out much more money then they
actually have. Thus they create new money. No one else is allowed to
create money, only bankers have this privilege. All of our money is
debt-money and it is all owed back to bankers, plus the interest.
In the U.S.A. money is created by the Bureau of Engraving and
Printing which is a unit of the treasury, but the orders to print come
from the Federal Reserve Banks. The money is created for and owned by
the banks. And the Federal Reserve Banks are not Federal, in spite of
the name. Privately owned commercial banks own the stock of the
Federal Reserve Banks. The Federal Reserve Banks give the newly
created money to the government in exchange for government bonds. To
simplify: The United States does not make its own money. Bankers
create the money and loan it to the United States with an interest
charge.
The book War Cycles Peace Cycles puts it this way:
"If there is only $10 in existence, and you lend it to someone
under the condition that he repay $11, and if he agrees to this, he
has agreed to the impossible."
The book The Struggle for World Power put it this way:
"The Bank of England... was the first payment institution which
was legally empowered to issue state-authorized paper currency and ,
therefore, the Government itself became its debtor. Thus the State not
only renounced its monopoly on monetary emission, but also agreed to
borrow the privately-created money from the bankers...Not only the
thing being done, but even the very name was a deliberate fraud and
deception to conceal the essence of the deed. To create money out of
nothing is to make valid and effective claim on all goods and services
for no return, which is fraud and theft, made worse by the
circumstances that the money is lent out at interest...it follows that
those who have the power to 'create' out of nothing all the money in
each country and the whole world and lend it as stated, have total
power over all states, parties, firms, radio, press, individuals and
so on. Therefore the power of Parliament in general, and especially
with regard to money, is non-existent, and all the true sovereignty is
in the hands of those private individuals who issue all money"

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