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09 Oct 2003 02:14:54 PM |
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HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
<Sigh>
Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS - BBC
Thu Oct 9,11:12 AM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
LONDON (Reuters) - The lives of Roman Catholics in some of the countries worst
hit by HIV (news - web sites)/AIDS (news - web sites) are being put at even
greater risk by advice from their churches that the use of condoms does not
prevent transmission of the disease, according to a British television program.
If condoms cannot be absolutely guaranteed to block sperm, they stand even less
chance of stopping the much smaller virus, the churches' argument runs.
The Roman Catholic church opposes any form of artificial contraception --
particularly condoms, which it says promote promiscuity.
But the traditional opposition is now being reinforced by arguments over their
efficacy.
"The moral argument against the use of condoms is being superseded by a clinical
argument which is flawed," said Steve Bradshaw, reporter on the BBC Panorama
program "Sex and the Holy City" that will be aired in Britain on Sunday night.
"The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon," Cardinal
Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, president of the Vatican (news - web sites)'s Pontifical
Council for the Family, told the program.
"The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the
condom."
He said that just as health authorities warned about dangers like tobacco, so
they had an obligation to issue similar warnings about condoms.
The Archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki told the program: "AIDS...has
grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."
While in Luak near Lake Victoria, Gordon Wambi, director of an AIDS testing
center, said he had been prevented from distributing condoms because of church
opposition.
Bradshaw told Reuters the program team did not go out looking for the story, but
stumbled across it during research.
"We heard the same line so many times from different people in different places
that we decided to approach the Vatican," he said.
The World Health Organization (news - web sites), guardian watchdog of global
wellbeing, rejected the Vatican view.
"These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are
facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people,
and currently affects at least 42 million," the WHO told the program.
It conceded condoms could break or be damaged and permit passage of semen, but
said they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent and were certainly secure
enough to prevent passage of the virus if not torn.
Panorama said scientific research had found intact condoms were impermeable to
particles as small as sexually transmitted infection pathogens -- a view
rejected by Trujillo.
"They are wrong about that...this is an easily recognizable fact," he told the
program.
From Nicaragua to Kenya and the Philippines, the Panorama team found the same
tale from the Catholic church -- that condoms can kill.
No official comment from the Vatican was immediately available on Thursday.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "Robert Matthews" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
09 Oct 2003 03:56:22 PM |
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In article <Osihb.23700$cJ5.3516@www.newsranger.com>,
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
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Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS - BBC
Thu Oct 9,11:12 AM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
LONDON (Reuters) - The lives of Roman Catholics in some of the countries worst
hit by HIV (news - web sites)/AIDS (news - web sites) are being put at even
greater risk by advice from their churches that the use of condoms does not
prevent transmission of the disease, according to a British television
program.
If condoms cannot be absolutely guaranteed to block sperm, they stand even less
chance of stopping the much smaller virus, the churches' argument runs.
Well, if we didn't know before that the Catholic hierarchy was
implacably and irreducibly evil, there's our proof.
Robert Matthews
a.a. #1801
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| User: "Nsty N8" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
09 Oct 2003 04:29:00 PM |
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LONDON (Reuters) - The lives of Roman Catholics in some of the countries
worst
hit by HIV (news - web sites)/AIDS (news - web sites) are being put at even
greater risk by advice from their churches that the use of condoms does not
prevent transmission of the disease, according to a British television
program.
If condoms cannot be absolutely guaranteed to block sperm, they stand even
less
chance of stopping the much smaller virus, the churches' argument runs.
Well, condoms also have nanoxodyll-9.
Those baby rapists...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
09 Oct 2003 03:23:49 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:14:54 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
The Archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki told the program: "AIDS...has
grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."
WHAT?
The World Health Organization (news - web sites), guardian watchdog of global
wellbeing, rejected the Vatican view.
"These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are
facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people,
and currently affects at least 42 million," the WHO told the program.
Like the Vatican cares people are dying?
I am *really tired of those evil shits in the Vatican...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
From alt.atheism only
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
09 Oct 2003 07:11:14 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in
news:pan.2003.10.09.20.23.49.204603@eac.org:
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:14:54 +0000, Robibnikoff wrote:
The Archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki told the program:
"AIDS...has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."
WHAT?
The World Health Organization (news - web sites), guardian watchdog
of global wellbeing, rejected the Vatican view.
"These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when
we are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20
million people, and currently affects at least 42 million," the WHO
told the program.
Like the Vatican cares people are dying?
I am *really tired of those evil shits in the Vatican...
Isn't it about time to rise up and liquidate the Church, convert all of its
holdings into cash, and spend it on cleaning up the mess the RCC has made
of the world?
A library from every church.
A pedopriest in every prison.
A homeless, jobless pope.
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"And the knowledge that they fear
Is a weapon to be used against them."
--Rush, "The Weapon"
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
11 Oct 2003 08:52:15 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:14:54 GMT, Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com>,
Message ID: <Osihb.23700$cJ5.3516@www.newsranger.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
<Sigh>
Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS - BBC
Neither does 'God.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
10 Oct 2003 07:50:52 PM |
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Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> thought hard and said:
Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS
Duh. But it sure as hell stops it from spreading.
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-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
11 Oct 2003 06:52:04 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:50:52 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Robibnikoff <nospam@newsranger.com> thought hard and said:
Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS
Duh. But it sure as hell stops it from spreading.
However, according to Popy Jopy 2 (the geezer's nick in Holland*) NO
sex at all works best.
I wonder how often his personal nun changes his bed sheets, stained
with his nightly emissions... not a lot, on his age, I guess.
* pity almost none of you have seen the [semi] political sketches made
by a Dutch comic duo when the pope visited Holland, somewhere in the
80's. They made the guy immortal. Immortally ridiculous, that is. :-)
The pope was quite literally LAUGHED out of the country.
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
09 Oct 2003 04:16:49 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
<Sigh>
Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS - BBC
Thu Oct 9,11:12 AM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
That's right, everyone. Just accept Jesus into your lives, pray regularly,
pay *huge* sums of money to the Catholic church, and you'll be safe from
harm.
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: HIV not stopped by Condoms, says Catholic Church |
09 Oct 2003 09:34:08 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:16:49 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Robibnikoff wrote:
<Sigh>
Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS - BBC
Thu Oct 9,11:12 AM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
That's right, everyone. Just accept Jesus into your lives, pray regularly,
pay *huge* sums of money to the Catholic church, and you'll be safe from
harm.
Except by priests if you're young.
--
"A truly unselfish act would be a Christian volunteering to have his soul take your
soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath."
- John Popelish
&
"The United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, ratified by Congress
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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