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"david" |
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25 Jan 2005 10:39:35 PM |
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hmmm's... |
"There is *no* such thing as a scientific theory guaranteed to be
absolutely true, with no possibility of error. There *can't* be and
there'll *never* be such a thing. Period. All that science can give, at
any given point in time, is the best model consistent with the
information available at that time. Said information consisting,
invevitably, of a finite set of data collected of a finite range of the
physical parameter space, it can never be sufficient to uniquely
pinpoint a single model to the exclusion of others."
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Since *no* theory is *ever* really "proven" in science...how can science
ever hope to prove that God does not exist with science?
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"We must remember that we do not observe nature as it actually exists,
but nature exposed to our methods of perception[ways of seeing]. The
theories determine what we can or cannot observe." -- Albert Einstein,
The Meaning of Relativity
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"Skepticism and scientific conviction exist in modern man side by side
with old-fashioned prejudices, out-dated habits of thought and feeling,
obstinate mis-interpretations, and blind ignorance." -- Carl G. Jung,
Man and His Symbols
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| User: "Milan" |
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| Title: Re: hmmm's... |
25 Jan 2005 11:23:29 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F6CAA7.20409@ak.net...
"There is *no* such thing as a scientific theory guaranteed to be
absolutely true, with no possibility of error. There *can't* be and
there'll *never* be such a thing. Period. All that science can give, at
any given point in time, is the best model consistent with the
information available at that time. Said information consisting,
invevitably, of a finite set of data collected of a finite range of the
physical parameter space, it can never be sufficient to uniquely
pinpoint a single model to the exclusion of others."
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Since *no* theory is *ever* really "proven" in science...how can science
ever hope to prove that God does not exist with science?
Just give us some evidence about this "God" thing you mention (whatever it
may be) and we will look into it to see whether it exists.
regards
Milan
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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| Title: Re: hmmm's... |
26 Jan 2005 12:33:58 AM |
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And "how" will you "look" into it?
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:35o2u8F4noj45U1@individual.net...
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F6CAA7.20409@ak.net...
"There is *no* such thing as a scientific theory guaranteed to be
absolutely true, with no possibility of error. There *can't* be and
there'll *never* be such a thing. Period. All that science can give, at
any given point in time, is the best model consistent with the
information available at that time. Said information consisting,
invevitably, of a finite set of data collected of a finite range of the
physical parameter space, it can never be sufficient to uniquely
pinpoint a single model to the exclusion of others."
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Since *no* theory is *ever* really "proven" in science...how can science
ever hope to prove that God does not exist with science?
Just give us some evidence about this "God" thing you mention (whatever it
may be) and we will look into it to see whether it exists.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:32:56 AM |
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"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in
news:10vdlrbi7id2qcd@corp.supernews.com:
And "how" will you "look" into it?
It depends on what "it" is. Moving mountains? I'll check the mountain, an
atlas, and see if they agree. If they do, the mountain has not moved since
the atlas was printed.
I have an atlas. Move a mountain with your faith.
--
Enkidu AA# 2165
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Attributed to Epicurus 341-270 B.C.E.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:07:37 AM |
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"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vdlrbi7id2qcd@corp.supernews.com...
And "how" will you "look" into it?
By "examining" the "evidence".
If the god described provides testable qualities, then it can be tested.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:48:02 PM |
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What is the evidence?
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vdlrbi7id2qcd@corp.supernews.com...
And "how" will you "look" into it?
By "examining" the "evidence".
If the god described provides testable qualities, then it can be tested.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Milan" |
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26 Jan 2005 04:58:03 PM |
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"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vf0r6dne82924@corp.supernews.com...
What is the evidence?
That is exactly the point. There isnt any. In consequence we should
disbelieve the claim "god exists".
regards
Milan
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:37:51 PM |
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There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does not
exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no evidence,
no proof.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:35q0njF4oh4a9U1@individual.net...
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vf0r6dne82924@corp.supernews.com...
What is the evidence?
That is exactly the point. There isnt any. In consequence we should
disbelieve the claim "god exists".
regards
Milan
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:35:24 PM |
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"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does not
exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "david" |
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27 Jan 2005 07:45:46 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does not
exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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27 Jan 2005 02:22:50 PM |
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In our last episode <41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
You parents never had The Talk with you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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27 Jan 2005 02:35:40 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:wpqdnc-iOaVxamXcRVn-3Q@megapath.net...
In our last episode <41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
You parents never had The Talk with you?
LOL. Sure sounds like it. What a maroon ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "david" |
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| Title: Re: hmmm's... |
27 Jan 2005 08:54:17 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence, no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
You parents never had The Talk with you?
Who/what created your parents?
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| User: "Milan" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:48:19 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F954F9.2060700@ak.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence, no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
You parents never had The Talk with you?
Who/what created your parents?
Usually greatparents create parents.
regards
Milan
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| User: "david" |
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28 Jan 2005 04:51:21 AM |
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Milan wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F954F9.2060700@ak.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence, no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
You parents never had The Talk with you?
Who/what created your parents?
Usually greatparents create parents.
regards
Milan
I will guess that you meant to write that your great grandparents
created your parents which leads naturally to the next question.
Who/what created your great grandparents? And theirs and theirs and
theirs...etc etc etc
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
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| User: "Marvin" |
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28 Jan 2005 11:47:40 PM |
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<snip>
You parents never had The Talk with you?
Who/what created your parents?
Usually greatparents create parents.
regards
Milan
I will guess that you meant to write that your great grandparents created
your parents which leads naturally to the next question.
Who/what created your great grandparents? And theirs and theirs and
theirs...etc etc etc
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created the first
set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
Life is sexually transmitted
Marvin Adams
#########################################
You wake up in the morning, get something for the pot
Wonder why the sun makes the rocks feel hot
Draw on the walls, eat, get laid
Back in the good old days
- Roger Waters
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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29 Jan 2005 11:49:37 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:51:21 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> said in
alt.atheism:
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
The first parent wasn't part of a set. It was probably part of an RNA
molecule. Or something even simpler. It depends on your definition
of "alive".
--
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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29 Jan 2005 02:39:05 AM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F9C4C9.1020107@ak.net...
Milan wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message
news:41F954F9.2060700@ak.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net>, david lumbered into the
room and mumbled:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts,
no
evidence, no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
You parents never had The Talk with you?
Who/what created your parents?
Usually greatparents create parents.
regards
Milan
I will guess that you meant to write that your great grandparents
created your parents which leads naturally to the next question.
Who/what created your great grandparents? And theirs and theirs and
theirs...etc etc etc
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
No, and neither do you.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Jan 2005 01:32:49 PM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F9C4C9.1020107@ak.net:
Milan wrote:
"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message
news:41F954F9.2060700@ak.net...
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode <41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net>, david lumbered into
the room and mumbled:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no
facts, no evidence, no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
You parents never had The Talk with you?
Who/what created your parents?
Usually greatparents create parents.
regards
Milan
I will guess that you meant to write that your great grandparents
created your parents which leads naturally to the next question.
Who/what created your great grandparents? And theirs and theirs and
theirs...etc etc etc
This line of questioning should lead one to ask who/what created the
first set of parents...
Do you know the answer?
It's parents all the way down.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Jan 2005 02:46:31 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:45:46 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> said in
alt.atheism:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does not
exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
Your lack of knowledge isn't evidence that your god exists. It's
merely your lack of knowledge.
--
"A truly unselfish act would be a Christian volunteering to have his soul take your
soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath."
- John Popelish
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:31:06 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:45:46 -0900, david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does not
exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
How does this piece of stupidity prove that your god exists?
The evidence hasd been examined and does not lead to it as a
conclusion.
And why do you imagine it need a who/what?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Jan 2005 02:27:25 PM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
My parents.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "david" |
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27 Jan 2005 08:55:02 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
My parents.
Who/what created your parents?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Jan 2005 09:44:16 PM |
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F95526.7010401@ak.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts,
no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
My parents.
Who/what created your parents?
Their parents.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "Marvin" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:47:52 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95EBAA4CD7DD9fstone69@205.188.138.161...
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F95526.7010401@ak.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts,
no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
My parents.
Who/what created your parents?
Their parents.
Who created their parents?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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28 Jan 2005 01:33:13 PM |
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"Marvin" <marvinadams42@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:aKOdnScJ6uI04GTcRVnyrA@pipex.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95EBAA4CD7DD9fstone69@205.188.138.161...
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F95526.7010401@ak.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no
facts,
no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
My parents.
Who/what created your parents?
Their parents.
Who created their parents?
It's parents all the way down.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
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| User: "Milan" |
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28 Jan 2005 05:29:18 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95EC570A360A4fstone69@205.188.138.161...
"Marvin" <marvinadams42@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:aKOdnScJ6uI04GTcRVnyrA@pipex.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95EBAA4CD7DD9fstone69@205.188.138.161...
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F95526.7010401@ak.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no
facts,
no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
My parents.
Who/what created your parents?
Their parents.
Who created their parents?
It's parents all the way down.
I didnt want to admit this, bu my great great great great grandfather
Giuseppe is the uncaused cause.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Marvin" |
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28 Jan 2005 07:02:11 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95EC570A360A4fstone69@205.188.138.161...
"Marvin" <marvinadams42@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:aKOdnScJ6uI04GTcRVnyrA@pipex.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F95526.7010401@ak.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
david <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in news:41F89C2A.1050904@ak.net:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does
not exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no
facts,
no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
My parents.
Who/what created your parents?
Their parents.
Who created their parents?
It's parents all the way down.
I was going *up* the tree (ascendants), nevermind, depends on perspective I
guess!
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Fred Stone
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Draw on the walls, eat, get laid
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: hmmm's... |
27 Jan 2005 02:39:11 PM |
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david wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10vg6tq9as3m847@corp.supernews.com...
There is a large amount of evidence. You provide none. Prove God
does not
exist. All you have is mere belief and mere opinion, no facts, no
evidence,
no proof.
Oh, the irony.
Prove your god exists.
examine the evidence -- ask: who/what created YOU...?
As soon as you show us any evidence we'll examine it. You can't tell
us to find our own evidence, and when we don't claim that that is your
proof. Did someone hit you in the head with a shovel?
jwk
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| User: "raven1" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:32:11 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:33:58 -0600, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
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And "how" will you "look" into it?
Provide the evidence and we'll talk.
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| User: "Ike" |
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25 Jan 2005 11:31:14 PM |
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"david" <dgordon@ak.net> wrote in message news:41F6CAA7.20409@ak.net...
"There is *no* such thing as a scientific theory guaranteed to be
absolutely true, with no possibility of error. There *can't* be and
there'll *never* be such a thing. Period. All that science can give, at
any given point in time, is the best model consistent with the
information available at that time. Said information consisting,
invevitably, of a finite set of data collected of a finite range of the
physical parameter space, it can never be sufficient to uniquely
pinpoint a single model to the exclusion of others."
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Since *no* theory is *ever* really "proven" in science...how can science
ever hope to prove that God does not exist with science?
Since when did science try to prove that? I can prove it to any rational
person, but not wih science.
"We must remember that we do not observe nature as it actually exists,
but nature exposed to our methods of perception[ways of seeing]. The
theories determine what we can or cannot observe." -- Albert Einstein,
The Meaning of Relativity
And that means? I know what Einstein meant. What the ***** do you mean?
"Skepticism and scientific conviction exist in modern man side by side
with old-fashioned prejudices, out-dated habits of thought and feeling,
obstinate mis-interpretations, and blind ignorance." -- Carl G. Jung,
Man and His Symbols
So he was talking a about Man. Who the hell specifically?
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The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an afleaist.
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