Religions > Atheism > Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect
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"J Young" |
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07 Mar 2006 10:04:04 AM |
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Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1362.html
Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect
Amsterdam, Netherlands (LifeNews.com) -- Holland is crossing a line with a
new law that has the stomachs of bioethicists worldwide turning inside out
because of its moral depravity. A Dutch commission that has been studying
setting rules for when doctors are allowed to euthanize severely disabled
newborn babies is expected to announce its results in a few weeks.
The guidelines are expected to allow doctors to take measures to kill
"seriously suffering" newborn babies they believe will not live even with
medical care and attention.
Euthanasia is already legal in the Netherlands and the new practice would
allow "baby euthanasia" as well.
In 2001, the Netherlands became the first country to legalize euthanasia for
adults. There is no official figure, but estimates indicate thousands of
people die from euthanasia annually.
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" The truth shall set you free "
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
07 Mar 2006 10:08:15 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:xLidna6nW_idMpDZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what
the pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be
killed retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish.
What's next, 2 year olds with temper tantrums?
http://www.lifenews.com/bio1362.html
Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into
Effect
Amsterdam, Netherlands (LifeNews.com) -- Holland is crossing a line
with a new law that has the stomachs of bioethicists worldwide turning
inside out because of its moral depravity. A Dutch commission that has
been studying setting rules for when doctors are allowed to euthanize
severely disabled newborn babies is expected to announce its results
in a few weeks.
The guidelines are expected to allow doctors to take measures to kill
"seriously suffering" newborn babies they believe will not live even
with medical care and attention.
What a good xianazi. You'd rather see them torture these infants and
make them suffer as long as possible before dying.
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Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Liam _" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
08 Mar 2006 01:42:30 PM |
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In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
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:> Amsterdam, Netherlands (LifeNews.com) -- Holland is crossing a line
:> with a new law that has the stomachs of bioethicists worldwide turning
:> inside out because of its moral depravity. A Dutch commission that has
:> been studying setting rules for when doctors are allowed to euthanize
:> severely disabled newborn babies is expected to announce its results
:> in a few weeks.
:>
:> The guidelines are expected to allow doctors to take measures to kill
:> "seriously suffering" newborn babies they believe will not live even
:> with medical care and attention.
: What a good xianazi. You'd rather see them torture these infants and
: make them suffer as long as possible before dying.
With respect, letting a someone live in pain is vastly different than
torturing them just as letting someone die is vastly different than
killing them.
The biggest issue is that we now have a country claiming that a legal
person can have their life terminated without them having any say in the
matter simply because their doctors believe that the child is suffering
and not likely to live long. The problem is, where exactly does the line
get drawn here? How long before we decide that life expectancy is no
longer a criteria? And how long before seriously suffering is defined as
medical conditions like paralysis?
--
Bill
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
08 Mar 2006 01:54:58 PM |
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"Liam _" <wmchal1@alumni.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dunc36$c7r$3@news.umbc.edu...
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
:>
:> Amsterdam, Netherlands (LifeNews.com) -- Holland is crossing a line
:> with a new law that has the stomachs of bioethicists worldwide turning
:> inside out because of its moral depravity. A Dutch commission that has
:> been studying setting rules for when doctors are allowed to euthanize
:> severely disabled newborn babies is expected to announce its results
:> in a few weeks.
:>
:> The guidelines are expected to allow doctors to take measures to kill
:> "seriously suffering" newborn babies they believe will not live even
:> with medical care and attention.
: What a good xianazi. You'd rather see them torture these infants and
: make them suffer as long as possible before dying.
With respect, letting a someone live in pain is vastly different than
torturing them just as letting someone die is vastly different than
killing them.
The biggest issue is that we now have a country claiming that a legal
person can have their life terminated without them having any say in the
matter simply because their doctors believe that the child is suffering
and not likely to live long. The problem is, where exactly does the line
get drawn here? How long before we decide that life expectancy is no
longer a criteria? And how long before seriously suffering is defined as
medical conditions like paralysis?
Hmmmm, interesting.
Well, here's a little scenario I was just told about today. A friend of
mine's dad was just recently put in a nursing home because he has
Alzheimer's. He totally freaked out and is now incarcerated at a geriatric
psychiatric facility. Blood work has revealed that he has leukemia. His
family is not going to purse treatment for the disease due to his
deteriorating mental condition. Does anyone feel this is wrong? Just
curious.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
11 Mar 2006 06:19:03 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:54:58 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Liam _" <wmchal1@alumni.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dunc36$c7r$3@news.umbc.edu...
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
:>
:> Amsterdam, Netherlands (LifeNews.com) -- Holland is crossing a line
:> with a new law that has the stomachs of bioethicists worldwide turning
:> inside out because of its moral depravity. A Dutch commission that has
:> been studying setting rules for when doctors are allowed to euthanize
:> severely disabled newborn babies is expected to announce its results
:> in a few weeks.
:>
:> The guidelines are expected to allow doctors to take measures to kill
:> "seriously suffering" newborn babies they believe will not live even
:> with medical care and attention.
: What a good xianazi. You'd rather see them torture these infants and
: make them suffer as long as possible before dying.
With respect, letting a someone live in pain is vastly different than
torturing them just as letting someone die is vastly different than
killing them.
The biggest issue is that we now have a country claiming that a legal
person can have their life terminated without them having any say in the
matter simply because their doctors believe that the child is suffering
and not likely to live long. The problem is, where exactly does the line
get drawn here? How long before we decide that life expectancy is no
longer a criteria? And how long before seriously suffering is defined as
medical conditions like paralysis?
Hmmmm, interesting.
Well, here's a little scenario I was just told about today. A friend of
mine's dad was just recently put in a nursing home because he has
Alzheimer's. He totally freaked out and is now incarcerated at a geriatric
psychiatric facility. Blood work has revealed that he has leukemia. His
family is not going to purse treatment for the disease due to his
deteriorating mental condition. Does anyone feel this is wrong? Just
curious.
That's a tough decision they had to make. If they're theists then the
Bible does say they're supposed to rejoyce since it's "God's Will" yadda
yadda yadda. :\ Such a 'loving' "God" Christians have. With a
'friend' like "God" who need enemies?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
11 Mar 2006 06:09:52 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:42:30 +0000 (UTC), Liam _
<wmchal1@alumni.umbc.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:
:>
:> Amsterdam, Netherlands (LifeNews.com) -- Holland is crossing a line
:> with a new law that has the stomachs of bioethicists worldwide turning
:> inside out because of its moral depravity. A Dutch commission that has
:> been studying setting rules for when doctors are allowed to euthanize
:> severely disabled newborn babies is expected to announce its results
:> in a few weeks.
:>
:> The guidelines are expected to allow doctors to take measures to kill
:> "seriously suffering" newborn babies they believe will not live even
:> with medical care and attention.
: What a good xianazi. You'd rather see them torture these infants and
: make them suffer as long as possible before dying.
With respect, letting a someone live in pain is vastly different than
torturing them just as letting someone die is vastly different than
killing them.
The biggest issue is that we now have a country claiming that a legal
person can have their life terminated without them having any say in the
matter simply because their doctors believe that the child is suffering
and not likely to live long.
The biggest issue is that we now have a country claiming that a legal
person can have their life terminated without them having any say in the
matter simply because;
They were drafted and sent to;
Europe (1940's)
Korea (1950's)
Vietnam (1960's and 1970's)
Their health insurance ran out and Gov. Shrub authorised hospitals in
the state of Texas to pull the plug regardless of the parents wishes.
They were declared a 'terrorist' by King George.
The problem is, where exactly does the line
get drawn here?
Governor George, who's now king, decided that several years ago.
How long before we decide that life expectancy is no
longer a criteria?
George did.
And how long before seriously suffering is defined as
medical conditions like paralysis?
Now, and not necessarily paralysis, was deemed by Ayatollah Asscrack
that the seriously suffering must continue for as long as inhumanly
possible.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
07 Mar 2006 02:30:57 PM |
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J Young wrote:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
Why not simply make the babies wear burkas?
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There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
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| User: "" |
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07 Mar 2006 11:44:13 AM |
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J Young wrote:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
Personnally I would start with whatever progeny you've created by
knocking up some dumb ***** to push out of her christian love canal.
Here's a clue, you don't have one. I wish you and you family a
severely crippled veggie child that lives a life full of pain, misery
and cost. Remember at 6.5 billion "people" walking around right now,
life isn't that precious nor cherished, no matter what slant you want
to put on it.
As for being pro-life, I challenge you on this. I dare you to start
adopting the most viciously twisted of the lives out there from orphan
houses. Most of you dumb xian fuckers don't, won't and can't put you
money where your mouth is when it comes down to the reality of what
happens in life. So show us your altruism by adopting a crippled
veggie.
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| User: "J Young" |
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07 Mar 2006 11:54:14 AM |
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<christopher.lynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141753453.717861.28990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
J Young wrote:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what
the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's
next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
Personnally I would start with whatever progeny you've created by
knocking up some dumb ***** to push out of her christian love canal.
Here's a clue, you don't have one. I wish you and you family a
severely crippled veggie child that lives a life full of pain, misery
and cost. Remember at 6.5 billion "people" walking around right now,
life isn't that precious nor cherished, no matter what slant you want
to put on it.
You would wish a life of misery and suffering upon a child whom you've never
even met, for no reason other than you don't like or agree with the parents?
You truly are an evil S.O.B.
As for being pro-life, I challenge you on this. I dare you to start
adopting the most viciously twisted of the lives out there from orphan
houses. Most of you dumb xian fuckers don't, won't and can't put you
money where your mouth is when it comes down to the reality of what
happens in life. So show us your altruism by adopting a crippled
veggie.
How about telling your boy Bush to stop spending billions on wars and divert
those funds to child care?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
07 Mar 2006 12:48:53 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0ZCdnar_jblOVZDZRVn-vg@giganews.com...
<christopher.lynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141753453.717861.28990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
J Young wrote:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what
the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's
next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
Personnally I would start with whatever progeny you've created by
knocking up some dumb ***** to push out of her christian love canal.
Here's a clue, you don't have one. I wish you and you family a
severely crippled veggie child that lives a life full of pain, misery
and cost. Remember at 6.5 billion "people" walking around right now,
life isn't that precious nor cherished, no matter what slant you want
to put on it.
You would wish a life of misery and suffering upon a child whom you've
never
even met, for no reason other than you don't like or agree with the
parents?
You truly are an evil S.O.B.
But you made it clear that you wish a life of pain and suffering upon a
child you've never even met, for no other reason than a slippery slope
fallacy.
You truly are an evil S.O.B.
As for being pro-life, I challenge you on this. I dare you to start
adopting the most viciously twisted of the lives out there from orphan
houses. Most of you dumb xian fuckers don't, won't and can't put you
money where your mouth is when it comes down to the reality of what
happens in life. So show us your altruism by adopting a crippled
veggie.
How about telling your boy Bush to stop spending billions on wars and
divert
those funds to child care?
We'll take this evasion as a "No, life is precious, but not precious enough
for me to actually go to any effort or expense to preserve it."
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "" |
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07 Mar 2006 01:07:48 PM |
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You would wish a life of misery and suffering upon a child whom you've never
even met, for no reason other than you don't like or agree with the parents?
You truly are an evil S.O.B.
Evil no, calling on total horseshit yes. If I were a third grade
teacher I would have given you an A for effort and an F for
comprehension. And yes, I feel, in the best possible Christian way
that for a person to have an opinion that they must walk in others
shoes. So before opening one's mouth on a subject of crippled veggie
babies you should at least first understand a couple of things.
- You are not in that situation.
- If someone else is in that situation, either put up or shut up. That
is offer to take care of the veggie baby instead of standing on a
soapbox bitching about how unchristian is it that they are doing that.
- Every word you mention/utter/dribble is already tainted with some
cabalistic belief system that enjoys invisible friends that appearently
created the universe and make you somehow a better ape man.
What I do recognize is that "people", (aka the bipedal ape race) when
"blessed" with parenthood take it upon themselves to become more of a
nuisance especially the Christian, Jewish and Muslim variety. They
tend to preach alot of nonsense that really doesn't help in anyway
except to somehow enrapture themselves about themselves when talking to
others.
And yes, I still do hope that with piece of chest beating you started
the entire thread with that you do end up with veggie babies. Afterall
you seem to know exactly what needs to be accomplished so the only
prescription is to hope, possibly with faith if required that you end
up with an eggplant for a child.
How about telling your boy Bush to stop spending billions on wars and divert
those funds to child care?
Bush isn't my boy, the US of A isn't my country and Christ isn't my
saviour.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
07 Mar 2006 01:19:24 PM |
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J Young wrote:
What's next, 2 year olds with temper tantrums?
Wow. You are just completly incapable of any kind of rational thought,
aren't you?
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| User: "LC" |
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07 Mar 2006 11:17:15 AM |
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OCD troll-bot "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:xLidna6nW_idMpDZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com...
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish.
<assorted moronic "opinions" from "J Young" and Lifenews dumped>
A Dutch commission that has been studying
setting rules for when doctors are allowed to euthanize severely disabled
newborn babies is expected to announce its results in a few weeks.
The guidelines are expected to allow doctors to take measures to kill
"seriously suffering" newborn babies they believe will not live even with
medical care and attention.
I said it before, and I'll keep saying it: Give your pathetic life some
meaning, IBen. Start a fund to pay for these children's medical expenses.
Put your time-if not your money-where your mouth is.
LC~ Yeah, right.
"I take my hat off to the Nazis. What we need now is .... a solution. It can
be seen as a final one, if you like..."
From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> aka "J Young".
Message-ID: <1129611930.510748.91890@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
07 Mar 2006 10:36:02 AM |
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:04:04 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
How about Usenet trolls of unkown age without a functioning brain?
Why do you pretend that what happens in other countries has anything
to do with liberals in the US?
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
07 Mar 2006 11:43:02 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:afdr021p8akepj2gs5m7gagman0g27kok9@4ax.com...
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:04:04 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's
next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
How about Usenet trolls of unkown age without a functioning brain?
Look on your driver's license, it should state your date of birth there.
Why do you pretend that what happens in other countries has anything
to do with liberals in the US?
You're not really serious with that question, are you?
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to Go Into Effect |
07 Mar 2006 02:57:23 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:afdr021p8akepj2gs5m7gagman0g27kok9@4ax.com...
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 11:04:04 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's
next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
How about the Bible, seems I remember somewhere in there where it says, if
your kid is a lazy, disobedient, drunkard, take him out to the city gates
and you and your friends can, no should, stone him to death, how much more
retroactive can you get.
Another ridiculous statement, in support of a fallacious argument, brought
to you by the ever ignorant mind of, J Young.
Later Larry.
aa # 2216
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Holland to Allow Euthanasia of Disabled Newborn Babies to GoInto Effect |
07 Mar 2006 11:44:42 PM |
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in article xLidna6nW_idMpDZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@giganews.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 3/7/06 11:04 AM:
They said we were wrong but this new legislation only vindicates what the
pro-life movement has said all along; babies will someday be killed
retroactively if abortion -on-demand is permitted to flourish. What's next,
2 year olds with temper tantrums?
Since the movement does NOTHING for these newborns or their families
other than the occasional feel good story in their media of the mother
becoming godly and fulfilled caring for the "special gift" her Lord
presented, I couldn't care less what they say.
Paul
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