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the holocaust was fake.
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15 Oct 2003 07:43:56 PM |
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<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
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the holocaust was fake.
Not completely fake, but it certainly was not like the Zionists say that it
was.
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| User: "TCS" |
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15 Oct 2003 08:26:35 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:43:56 GMT, paredon <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> wrote:
<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
news:JBG4OAI737910.1000347222@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
the holocaust was fake.
Not completely fake, but it certainly was not like the Zionists say that it
was.
Right. Entire jewish communities weren't liquidated. No civilians were
machine guned down -- those films where all faked as were the concentration
camps and the mass graves.
The only thing sicker than genocide are bastards like you who pretend it has
never happened.
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| User: "paredon" |
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15 Oct 2003 08:39:23 PM |
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnborsua.bbf.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.adamf625.kaosol.net...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:43:56 GMT, paredon <pinkspider123@earthlink.net>
wrote:
<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
news:JBG4OAI737910.1000347222@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
the holocaust was fake.
Not completely fake, but it certainly was not like the Zionists say that
it
was.
Right. Entire jewish communities weren't liquidated. No civilians were
machine guned down -- those films where all faked as were the
concentration
camps and the mass graves.
Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of civilians were murdered.
However they were Russians!
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about dozen held
jews
The only thing sicker than genocide are bastards like you who pretend it
has
never happened.
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not happen to jews. 20
million Russians, million Yugoslavs, 2 milion gypsies, two million French
etc also died from nazi war!
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| User: "Geoff Offermann" |
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16 Oct 2003 01:07:59 AM |
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"paredon" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnborsua.bbf.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.adamf625.kaosol.net...
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:43:56 GMT, paredon <pinkspider123@earthlink.net>
wrote:
<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
news:JBG4OAI737910.1000347222@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
the holocaust was fake.
Not completely fake, but it certainly was not like the Zionists say
that
it
was.
Right. Entire jewish communities weren't liquidated. No civilians were
machine guned down -- those films where all faked as were the
concentration
camps and the mass graves.
Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of civilians were
murdered.
However they were Russians!
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about dozen
held
jews
The only thing sicker than genocide are bastards like you who pretend it
has
never happened.
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not happen to jews. 20
million Russians, million Yugoslavs, 2 milion gypsies, two million
French
etc also died from nazi war!
20 million Russians died in concentration camps? I think you're confusing
the Holocaust with the Russian internal slaughter and their losses in WWII.
I agree, the Holocaust was not limited to Jews. Gypsies were killed as well.
Many Polish Christians were killed too, many for giving aid and comfort to
Jews and gypsies.
But the fact that it was not limited to Jews does not lessen their misery.
It may be impossible to completely substantiate the 6 mllion Jews killed,
but it is probably correct within +/- 5%.
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| User: "paredon" |
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16 Oct 2003 07:51:12 AM |
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Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of civilians were
murdered.
However they were Russians!
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about dozen
held
jews
The only thing sicker than genocide are bastards like you who pretend
it
has
never happened.
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not happen to jews. 20
million Russians, million Yugoslavs, 2 milion gypsies, two million
French
etc also died from nazi war!
20 million Russians died in concentration camps? I think you're confusing
the Holocaust with the Russian internal slaughter and their losses in
WWII.
No concetration camps for Russians. Near Voronezh nazis simply surrounded
one million Russian refugees with barbed wire and waited for them to die!
I agree, the Holocaust was not limited to Jews.
You are so kind. But you are brainwashed by the Nazi jewish propaganda.
Gypsies were killed as well.
Many Polish Christians were killed too, many for giving aid and comfort to
Jews and gypsies.
But the fact that it was not limited to Jews does not lessen their misery.
It may be impossible to completely substantiate the 6 mllion Jews killed,
but it is probably correct within +/- 5%.
There were never more than 4 million Jews in Europe to start with, and 3.25
million Jews claimed reparations after the war. read Alfred M Lilienthal
"The Zionist Connection". He is a Jew an American diplomat and soldier!
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Oct 2003 11:15:17 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:39:23 GMT, a stranger
called by some "paredon" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of civilians were murdered.
However they were Russians!
Russian Jews. Ever hear of the Einsatzgruppen? Battalion sized death
groups that killed 600,000 Ukranian and Russian Jews.
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about dozen held
jews
Nice. Since you probably know that the actual death camps were in the
Ostreich, mostly in Poland, far from German civilians.
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not happen to jews. 20
million Russians, million Yugoslavs, 2 milion gypsies, two million French
etc also died from nazi war!
The German's own records say you're wrong. Somewhere between 4-6
million Jews were liquidated. Some worked to death, some murderd by
the Einsatzgruppen, some killed in places like Treblinka and
Auschwitz.
Remember that the Nazis kept excellent records. We can track the
movements, the requirements, and the resuslts.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "paredon" |
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16 Oct 2003 07:12:44 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lgtov8q3l02qv5t6oqg8mgb3pcdeujpq1@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:39:23 GMT, a stranger
called by some "paredon" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of civilians were
murdered.
However they were Russians!
Russian Jews. Ever hear of the Einsatzgruppen? Battalion sized death
groups that killed 600,000 Ukranian and Russian Jews.
You have no idea what Einsatgruppen is. It is a punishment batalion,
that burnt the villages used by partizans.
Nazis did not bother with concetration camps in Russia, they simply got
million Russians together and put barbed wire around them until they were
dead.
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about dozen
held
jews
Nice. Since you probably know that the actual death camps were in the
Ostreich, mostly in Poland, far from German civilians.
Member of my family was in Sachsenhausen in Central germany
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not happen to jews. 20
million Russians, million Yugoslavs, 2 milion gypsies, two million
French
etc also died from nazi war!
The German's own records say you're wrong. Somewhere between 4-6
million Jews were liquidated.
There are no suchj records and you are a liar. there were only four million
Jews in Westrern Europe to start with.
Some worked to death, some murderd by
the Einsatzgruppen, some killed in places like Treblinka and
Auschwitz.
Some who? Do you think that only Jews were at Treblinka, Buchenwald and
others , if you think that you are an idiot!
Remember that the Nazis kept excellent records. We can track the
movements, the requirements, and the resuslts.
I would like to see those records!
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Oct 2003 10:56:04 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:12:44 GMT, a stranger
called by some "paredon" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lgtov8q3l02qv5t6oqg8mgb3pcdeujpq1@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:39:23 GMT, a stranger
called by some "paredon" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Russian Jews. Ever hear of the Einsatzgruppen? Battalion sized death
groups that killed 600,000 Ukranian and Russian Jews.
You have no idea what Einsatgruppen is. It is a punishment batalion,
that burnt the villages used by partizans.
Nope. Wrong. The Einsatgruppen were, according to Nazi documents,
sent to eliminate Jews in the Ostreich. Or were the Germans lying
about what their own troops were doing?
http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/einsatz.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/einsatztoc.html
http://www.holocaust-history.org/intro-einsatz/#v
http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/timeline/DocJager.htm
Nazis did not bother with concetration camps in Russia, they simply got
million Russians together and put barbed wire around them until they were
dead.
News to the people who died in Janowska.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C21912F36.
Nice. Since you probably know that the actual death camps were in the
Ostreich, mostly in Poland, far from German civilians.
Member of my family was in Sachsenhausen in Central germany
Does not adress what I said. The death camps were, for the most part,
in the Ostreich.
The German's own records say you're wrong. Somewhere between 4-6
million Jews were liquidated.
There are no suchj records and you are a liar. there were only four million
Jews in Westrern Europe to start with.
Try 11 million, and you can deny it all you want.
Some worked to death, some murderd by
the Einsatzgruppen, some killed in places like Treblinka and
Auschwitz.
Some who? Do you think that only Jews were at Treblinka, Buchenwald and
others , if you think that you are an idiot!
"Places like" moron. Millions were murder by the Einsatgruppen, in
the gas vans, worked to death, allowed to die of disease, or
exterminated.
Remember that the Nazis kept excellent records. We can track the
movements, the requirements, and the resuslts.
I would like to see those records!
Then actually do a little research.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Tilly" |
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16 Oct 2003 09:13:06 PM |
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paredon wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:4lgtov8q3l02qv5t6oqg8mgb3pcdeujpq1@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 16 Oct 2003 01:39:23 GMT, a stranger
called by some "paredon" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> came forth
and told this tale in alt.atheism
Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of civilians were
murdered. However they were Russians!
Russian Jews. Ever hear of the Einsatzgruppen? Battalion sized
death groups that killed 600,000 Ukranian and Russian Jews.
You have no idea what Einsatgruppen is. It is a punishment
batalion, that burnt the villages used by partizans.
Nazis did not bother with concetration camps in Russia, they simply
got million Russians together and put barbed wire around them
until they were dead.
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about
dozen held jews
Nice. Since you probably know that the actual death camps were in
the Ostreich, mostly in Poland, far from German civilians.
Member of my family was in Sachsenhausen in Central germany
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not happen to jews.
20 million Russians, million Yugoslavs, 2 milion gypsies, two
million French etc also died from nazi war!
The German's own records say you're wrong. Somewhere between 4-6
million Jews were liquidated.
There are no suchj records and you are a liar. there were only four
million Jews in Westrern Europe to start with.
Rubbish. Census records show there were 11 million Jews in Europe prior to
1939..
Some worked to death, some murderd by
the Einsatzgruppen, some killed in places like Treblinka and
Auschwitz.
Some who? Do you think that only Jews were at Treblinka,
Buchenwald and others , if you think that you are an idiot!
Remember that the Nazis kept excellent records. We can track the
movements, the requirements, and the resuslts.
I would like to see those records!
Do a search on the net. They are there.
Tilly
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Bright1@hotmail.com
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| User: "paredon" |
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16 Oct 2003 07:14:34 PM |
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Russian Jews. Ever hear of the Einsatzgruppen? Battalion sized death
groups that killed 600,000 Ukranian and Russian Jews.
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about dozen
held
jews
Nice. Since you probably know that the actual death camps were in the
Ostreich, mostly in Poland, far from German civilians.
What are the names of the Ostereich camps?
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Oct 2003 11:00:00 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:14:34 GMT, a stranger
called by some "paredon" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Russian Jews. Ever hear of the Einsatzgruppen? Battalion sized death
groups that killed 600,000 Ukranian and Russian Jews.
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany. Only about dozen
held
jews
Nice. Since you probably know that the actual death camps were in the
Ostreich, mostly in Poland, far from German civilians.
What are the names of the Ostereich camps?
See for yourself:
http://www.mtsu.edu/~baustin/holocamp.html
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blchart.htm
Anything east of Germany was part of the Ostreich.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Wapi The Killer" |
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16 Oct 2003 07:36:31 AM |
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The Holocaust Revisionist calling themselves 'paredon'
wrote:
"TCS" wrote:
<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
news:JBG4OAI737910.1000347222@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
the holocaust was fake.
Not completely fake, but it certainly was not like
the Zionists say that it was.
Right. Entire jewish communities weren't liquidated.
No civilians were machine guned down -- those films
where all faked as were the concentration camps and
the mass graves.
Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of
civilians were murdered. However they were Russians!
So thousands of Communist supporters of the butcher
Joe Stalin were killed? Tell me what the downside is.
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany.
Only about dozen held jews
And who do you contend were being held in the other
388 camps? Let me guess, Amway sales reps?
The only thing sicker than genocide are bastards
like you who pretend it has never happened.
BINGO.
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not
happen to jews. 20 million Russians, million Yugoslavs,
2 milion gypsies, two million French etc also died
from nazi war!
2 million gypsies? OK, that sounds reasonable 'cuz
gypsies are a true endangered species, but I don't
know what country is working to rebuild the depleted
stocks. When the Dow Jones shows a gain in violin
sales, that'll be a good sign.
Moving right along now...
Who counted those 20 million Russians and 1 million
Yugoslavs, eh? And listen up sparky, I really doubt
that 2 million French were killed. C'mon man, just
review how France dealt with that heat wave this
past summer, the government told everyone in France
that to avoid the risk of death, they should just
'stay indoors and do nothing - you know, like we
did in World War II'.
Q - What does a Frenchman say to a horde of invading
Nazi troops?
A - 'Table for 200,000 monsieur?'
Q - Why did Jacques Chiraq defend Saddam Hussein by
threatening a veto in the U.N. Security Council?
A - The French just have this thing for dictators
with mustaches. They can't help but swoon.
Q - How did U.S., U.K. and allied forces discover
that Saddam's Army had been trained by France?
A - The Iraqi soldiers knew how to say the words
"we surrender" in 17 languages.
Q - Why does the new French aircraft carrier 'Le
Charles DeGaulle' have a glass bottom hull?
A - So they can park it next to the Bismarck if
they are ever forced to go to war.
Q - What did 'Paredon' say at the end of the movie
'The Wizard of Oz'?
A - He clicked his leather boots 3 times, closed
his eyes, chanted 'SIEG HEIL' and said 'there's
NO place like Auschwitz, there's NO place like
Auschwitz, there's NO place like Auschwitz...'
Gosh Toto, we're not in the Sudetenland anymore!
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| User: "paredon" |
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16 Oct 2003 07:04:25 PM |
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I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not
happen to jews. 20 million Russians, million Yugoslavs,
2 milion gypsies, two million French etc also died
from nazi war!
2 million gypsies? OK, that sounds reasonable 'cuz
gypsies are a true endangered species, but I don't
know what country is working to rebuild the depleted
stocks. When the Dow Jones shows a gain in violin
sales, that'll be a good sign.
Sick thought, of course. I did not expect any wisdom from you!
Moving right along now...
Who counted those 20 million Russians and 1 million
Yugoslavs, eh?
Who counted six million Jews?
And listen up sparky, I really doubt
that 2 million French were killed.
Doubt all you want!
C'mon man, just
review how France dealt with that heat wave this
past summer, the government told everyone in France
that to avoid the risk of death, they should just
'stay indoors and do nothing - you know, like we
did in World War II'.
Q - What does a Frenchman say to a horde of invading
Nazi troops?
A - 'Table for 200,000 monsieur?'
Q - Why did Jacques Chiraq defend Saddam Hussein by
threatening a veto in the U.N. Security Council?
What an idiotic statement. Chirac was against the war not for Saddam
A - The French just have this thing for dictators
with mustaches. They can't help but swoon.
Yeah, just like we had this thing for Diem in Vietnam. WQQe defended the
son of ***** and many thousands of Americans died. How about Papa Doc
Duvalier of Haiti, you know the black magic dictator, we gave him millions
while he entertained himself by torturing kids.
Do you have any idea what Sudetenland is?
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| User: "Sgt Fury" |
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16 Oct 2003 09:38:27 PM |
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Some silly ***** calling himself 'paredon' wrote the
following 110 percent horseshit:
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not
happen to jews. 20 million Russians, million Yugoslavs,
2 milion gypsies, two million French etc also died
from nazi war!
2 million gypsies? OK, that sounds reasonable 'cuz
gypsies are a true endangered species, but I don't
know what country is working to rebuild the depleted
stocks. When the Dow Jones shows a gain in violin
sales, that'll be a good sign.
Sick thought, of course.
What is sick about rebuilding depleted gypsy stocks?
You got something against gypsies 'pinkspider'? Well?
Why do you call yourself 'pinkspider123' anyway? Are you trying to slip
something by this newsgroup?
I did not expect any wisdom from you!
And nobody here expects any 'wisdom' from you pinkie.
Is English your second, or third language? Speak up, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
Moving right along now...
Who counted those 20 million Russians and 1 million
Yugoslavs, eh?
Who counted six million Jews?
More people than you realize dumb *****. Time to go to school:
Now you listen and listen real good pinkie, before World War II
there were approximately 9.5 million Jews in Europe and that
included the Balkans, the UK and the Baltic States:
Albania 200 Italy 48,000
Austria 250,000 Latvia 95,000
Belgium 60,000 Lithuania 155,000
Bulgaria 50,000 Luxembourg 2,200
Czech Republic 357,000 Netherlands 160,000
Danzig 9,200 Norway 1,500
Denmark 6,000 Poland 3,000,000
Estonia 5,000 Portugal 1,000
Finland 1,800 Romania 980,000
France 225,000 Russia 2,525,000
Germany 565,000 Spain 4,000
Great Britain 300,000 Sweden 6,500
Greece 100,000 Switzerland 18,000
Hungary 445,000 Turkey 56,000
Ireland 3,600 Yugoslavia 70,000
Here is the breakdown of approximately how many
Jews were killed per country by the Nazis, ok?:
Poland - 2,800,000
Soviet Union - 1,000,000
Hungary - 550,000
Romania - 271,000
Lithuania - 140,000
Germany - 134,500
Holland - 100,000
Czech Republic - 78,150
France - 77,320
Slovakia - 68,000
Yugoslavia - 56,200
Greece - 60,000
Austria - 50,000
Belgium - 28,900
Italy - 7,680
Luxembourg - 1,950
Others (total)- 849
The estimated number of surviving Jews in
Europe AFTER World War II?
3,903,951 - now do the math you little maggot.
And listen up sparky, I really doubt
that 2 million French were killed.
Doubt all you want!
Why shouldn't we doubt? You're trying to cast doubt on
the mass murder of six million Jewish men, women
and children by claiming 'they were not Jews'.
Nobody is going to argue that there were MANY
non-Jews who were put to death by the Nazis,
but the fact is, it was the Jews who were the
primary targets of the Nazi genocidal campaign.
That is history. It has been amply proven. If
you don't like it, too damn bad for you. You
really need to quit embarrassing yourself.
C'mon man, just
review how France dealt with that heat wave this
past summer, the government told everyone in France
that to avoid the risk of death, they should just
'stay indoors and do nothing - you know, like we
did in World War II'.
Q - What does a Frenchman say to a horde of invading
Nazi troops?
A - 'Table for 200,000 monsieur?'
Q - Why did Jacques Chiraq defend Saddam Hussein by
threatening a veto in the U.N. Security Council?
What an idiotic statement. Chirac was against the war
not for Saddam
The hell he wasn't. Chiraq and Saddam are old buddies
who were close friends since 1975, and when France was
in the process of selling Iraq a nuclear reactor, WHO
do you think was in Iraq posing for pictures with the
guy who would eventually be the dictator of Iraq? Yep,
it was noneother than Chiraq himself, with a younger
Saddam Hussein right there in the picture with him.
There is no denying it, the picture has been published
many times, you won't have any trouble finding it. The
French had a long standing business relationship with
Saddam and his murdering regime, and that too, is a
matter of public record.
A - The French just have this thing for dictators
with mustaches. They can't help but swoon.
Yeah, just like we
Who's this 'we', eh *****?
had this thing for Diem in Vietnam.
WQQe defended the son of ***** and many thousands of
Americans died. How about Papa Doc Duvalier of Haiti,
you know the black magic dictator, we gave him millions
while he entertained himself by torturing kids.
Pinkie you maggot, Diem and Duvalier don't have fuckall
to do with the way France bent over for Hitler during World
War II, and the way France cozied up to Saddam Hussein.
Do you have any idea what Sudetenland is?
I certainly do pinkie. So what the ***** do you want to know about it?
Did your mother have any children who LIVED?
And have a nice fucking day.
Sgt. Fury, USMC
Semper Fi
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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17 Oct 2003 12:40:18 AM |
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Pinkie you maggot, Diem and Duvalier don't have fuckall
to do with the way France bent over for Hitler during World
War II, and the way France cozied up to Saddam Hussein.
As opposed to Reagan and Rumsfeld cozying up to Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin
Laden all through the 80s?
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Oct 2003 11:18:21 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on 16 Oct 2003 05:36:31 -0700, a stranger called
by some (Wapi The Killer) came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Q - How did U.S., U.K. and allied forces discover
that Saddam's Army had been trained by France?
A - The Iraqi soldiers knew how to say the words
"we surrender" in 17 languages.
"Ni ubivaiyte menya, ya znayu mnogo sekryetov."
Russian for "Don't kill me, I know many secrets" We learned this
while station ed in Germany in the mid-80s as a joke.
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
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16 Oct 2003 07:57:35 AM |
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Wapi The Killer wrote:
The Holocaust Revisionist calling themselves 'paredon'
wrote:
"TCS" wrote:
<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
news:JBG4OAI737910.1000347222@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
the holocaust was fake.
Not completely fake, but it certainly was not like
the Zionists say that it was.
Right. Entire jewish communities weren't liquidated.
No civilians were machine guned down -- those films
where all faked as were the concentration camps and
the mass graves.
Some communities were liquidated. Thjjousands of
civilians were murdered. However they were Russians!
So thousands of Communist supporters of the butcher
Joe Stalin were killed? Tell me what the downside is.
There were minimum 400 concetration camps in Germany.
Only about dozen held jews
And who do you contend were being held in the other
388 camps? Let me guess, Amway sales reps?
The only thing sicker than genocide are bastards
like you who pretend it has never happened.
BINGO.
I did not say it did not happen, I said it did not
happen to jews. 20 million Russians, million Yugoslavs,
2 milion gypsies, two million French etc also died
from nazi war!
2 million gypsies? OK, that sounds reasonable 'cuz
gypsies are a true endangered species, but I don't
know what country is working to rebuild the depleted
stocks. When the Dow Jones shows a gain in violin
sales, that'll be a good sign.
Moving right along now...
Who counted those 20 million Russians and 1 million
Yugoslavs, eh? And listen up sparky, I really doubt
that 2 million French were killed. C'mon man, just
review how France dealt with that heat wave this
past summer, the government told everyone in France
that to avoid the risk of death, they should just
'stay indoors and do nothing - you know, like we
did in World War II'.
Q - What does a Frenchman say to a horde of invading
Nazi troops?
A - 'Table for 200,000 monsieur?'
Q - Why did Jacques Chiraq defend Saddam Hussein by
threatening a veto in the U.N. Security Council?
A - The French just have this thing for dictators
with mustaches. They can't help but swoon.
Q - How did U.S., U.K. and allied forces discover
that Saddam's Army had been trained by France?
A - The Iraqi soldiers knew how to say the words
"we surrender" in 17 languages.
Q - Why does the new French aircraft carrier 'Le
Charles DeGaulle' have a glass bottom hull?
A - So they can park it next to the Bismarck if
they are ever forced to go to war.
Q - What did 'Paredon' say at the end of the movie
'The Wizard of Oz'?
A - He clicked his leather boots 3 times, closed
his eyes, chanted 'SIEG HEIL' and said 'there's
NO place like Auschwitz, there's NO place like
Auschwitz, there's NO place like Auschwitz...'
Gosh Toto, we're not in the Sudetenland anymore!
ROTFLMAO.
Does yout humour come naturally?
Tilly
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15 Oct 2003 07:50:21 PM |
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<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
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the holocaust was fake.
Your ignorance is stunning and your credibility is nil.
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16 Oct 2003 08:35:49 AM |
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"Clayton McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
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the holocaust was fake.
Your ignorance is stunning and your credibility is nil.
No, I would say that somebody who neglected to see it was posted from a
remailer with an innocent man's name forged into the from line is the one
without credibility.
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16 Oct 2003 06:19:31 PM |
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"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote in message
news:3f8e9f2b_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
"Clayton McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
news:JBG4OAI737910.1000347222@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
the holocaust was fake.
Your ignorance is stunning and your credibility is nil.
No, I would say that somebody who neglected to see it was posted from a
remailer with an innocent man's name forged into the from line is the one
without credibility.
In which case, doubtless the message was directed at the real poster.
Susan
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| User: "Clayton McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!" |
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16 Oct 2003 08:37:46 PM |
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<piggybacking>
"John Gault" <judgedredd@ij.net> wrote in message
news:3f8e9f2b_4@corp.newsgroups.com...
"Clayton McCloud of the Clan McCloud...And I Am Immoral!"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3f8decbd$0$21650$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
<steven@imparl.net> wrote in message
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the holocaust was fake.
Your ignorance is stunning and your credibility is nil.
No, I would say that somebody who neglected to see it was posted from a
remailer with an innocent man's name forged into the from line is the
one
without credibility.
"They sure are, Mr Garrison!" whinges Pangborn's sock puppet.
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15 Oct 2003 08:04:52 PM |
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the holocaust was fake.
I know of a few million survivors who would disagree.
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16 Oct 2003 08:34:44 AM |
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the holocaust was fake.
No the holcaust was real, however the man who *really* posted this is a fake
by the name of David Moore who has spent years forging posts to people he
doesn't like.
The same David Moore who is or was a member of a Neo Nazi Aryan Nations
group.
The above post did not come from Steve Imparl.
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| User: "paredon" |
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16 Oct 2003 07:16:11 PM |
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Who cares where it came from it is the truth! Holohoax is just that!
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16 Oct 2003 11:33:57 AM |
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On 15 Oct 2003, screwed up his face, groaned, pushed
hard, and farted out the following message in news:JBG4OAI737910.1000347222
@Gilgamesh-frog.org:
the holocaust was fake.
*sniff, sniff*
Ok, who let the troll out? I want to hear you fess up RIGHT NOW! I TOLD
you guys to make sure that cage was LOCKED!
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Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly realized
I was talking to myself!"
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15 Oct 2003 07:37:25 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2003 02:25:43 +0200, <> wrote:
the holocaust was fake.
your brain is fake.
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Jews against Zionism
Web Pages
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Shalom and Welcome to the Jewish Peace Fellowship -
http://www.jewishpeacefellowship.org
Founded by Rabbis in 1941. Supports conscientious objectors.
Tikkun Magazine - http://www.tikkun.org/
Pacifist voices of conscience and reason, edited by Rabbi Michael Lerner in
San Francisco.
Yesh Gvul - http://www.yesh-gvul.org/english.html
The movement for soldiers of the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) refusing to
serve in the Occupied Territories.
Gush Shalom - http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html
The website of the prominent Israeli peace movement features
thought-provoking articles by its dissident director, Uri Avnery.
PEACE NOW! - http://www.peacenow.org.il/English.asp
Israeli pacifists for Palestinian self-determination within 1967 borders.
Not In My Name: Taking Action for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine -
http://www.nimn.org
NIMN, based on their belief in Judaism, oppose "Israeli Government brutality
against Palestinians".
Junity - Jewish Unity for a Just Peace - http://www.junity.org/
Jewish peace groups which agree on ending abuses of Palestinian human rights
and Israel's self-destructive settlement policy.
B'tselem - http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/index.asp
The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories,
reports on Israeli abuses such as torture, shootings, home demolitions, and
settler violence.
Jewish Voice For Peace (SF Bay Area) - http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
This SF Bay Area grassroots organization is dedicated to the rights of Jews,
Palestinians, and all peoples in the Middle East. They believe conflict
won't end until Israel removes settlements. Site includes petition,
listserver, resources, media.
Why do they hate US? by Stephen Shalom -
http://www.zmag.org/shalomhate.htm
Time-line of US interventions in the Middle East from 1948.
Open Tent Middle East Coalition - http://www.opentent.org
Arab and Jewish groups of mutual goodwill. California-based.
The 94 Percent Solution: A Matrix of Control (Middle East Report) -
http://www.merip.org/mer/mer216/216_halper.html
Jeff Halper, director of the Campaign Against House Demolitions, explains
how the chicanery of apartheid chokes off Palestinian life in myriad ways.
oznik.com: news headlines - http://oznik.com
A small I/P resistance news-service publishes reports from Palestine under
IDF occupation, with the motto "We are all Palestinian Refugees".
Building Settlements, Killing Peace (Antiwar.com) -
http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/h052601.html
Ran HaCohen writes "The Settlements are the Occupation" and "The Fallacy
Industry".
Jews NOT Zionists - Torah-true Jews against Zionism -
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
"Any form of Zionism is heresy from the Torah viewpoint and the so-called
'State of Israel' is illegitimate". Menu includes links and quotes to
Anti-Zionist Jewish organizations and statements, and the wisdom of Judaism
on the Middle East Quandary.
Australian Jewish Democratic Society - http://www.ajds.org.au/
"Committed to Peace and Social Justice, Reconciliation between Nations and
Peoples, and Nuclear Disarmament". Contents include News, Mid East Conflict,
Library, Peace Links, Readers' Forum, Newsletters, and Activities.
Tom Segev's "One Palestine, Complete" Book Review -
http://www.salon.com/books/int/2001/12/08/palestine/
Segev wrote in "One Palestine, Complete" how the British Mandate favored
Zionism. In this interview he sees an evolution of Israeli willingness to
accept responsibility for the Palestinian tragedy.
Noam Chomsky Lecture at MIT on Mideast Crises, Dec 14, 2000 -
http://www.media.mit.edu/~nitin/mideast/chomsky_lecture.html
One of America's most brilliant intellectuals portrays two rogue states
against the world - the US and Israel.
"Israel Isn't David . . . It's Goliath" -
http://www.progressive.org/mr0701.html
Matthew Rothschild of The Progressive magazine interviews Irena Klepfisz of
The Jewish Women's Committee to End the Occupation
Right livelihood awards - http://www.rightlivelihood.se/recip1987_5.html
Israeli scientist Mordechai Vanunu, kidnapped by Mossad abroad and
life-sentenced to solitary confinement for revealing that Israel has nuclear
warheads, is commemorated here for his courage and sacrifice.
Matzpun = Hebrew for Conscience - http://www.matzpun.com
"The authors of this appeal are Jews whose families have been victims of
racism and genocide, and who feel they cannot remain silent." They appeal to
the world to boycott Israeli goods and leisure travel.
Taayush - http://minerva.tau.ac.il/~alon/taayush.html
Food convoys to the territories, articles.
Neturei Karta - http://www.netureikarta.org/
Orthodox Jews who condemn Zionism and the brutal treatment of the
Palestinians as a heresy and violation of the Torah.
Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, by Lenni Brenner. -
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/index.htm
Full-length, on-line history book with details of political infighting,
including how and why Zionists fostered Hitler as a "godsend" to force the
creation of the Jewish state, whatever the cost. Bibliography.
Writings of Israel Shamir - http://www.israelshamir.net/
Apartheid dissolves in this brilliant journalist's lyric vitriol. His
articles, bio and links to friends and adversaries are found on his page.
Press Freedom Heroes: Amira Hass (Haaretz) -
http://www.freemedia.at/IPIReport2.00/22Hass.htm
This dissident Israeli journalist reports from the Gaza Strip and Ramallah,
where she has taken up residence.
SF Jewish Film Festival - Al-Nakba -
http://www.sfjff.org/sfjff18/programs/p0722b.html
The Palestinian Catastrophe 1948, a documentary.
Nathan Weinstock: Zionism - False Messiah -
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/weinstock/index.htm
This on-line book continues the analytical tradition of Karl Marx'
anti-nationalist and anti-colonialist view of The Jewish Question.
Closure and Apartheid: Seven Years of "Peace" through Separation, by
Allegra Pacheco - http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/pachec1.htm
Allegra Pacheco, an Israeli human rights attorney, noted for prosecuting the
first Israeli torture trial, describes how the closure of the West Bank and
Gaza since 1993 is in violation of international law, and an extreme
hardship for the people.
MidEastFacts Select author index -
http://www.mideastfacts.com/index_author.html
Articles by over 100 prominent anti-Zionist authors, of whom about one-third
are Israeli.
Securing Occupation: The Real Meaning of The Wye Memorandum -
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/id66.htm
Norman Finkelstein, author of "The Holocaust Industry", analyzes how Israel
expels the indigenous population in defiance of the UN.
Israel Shamir Archive - http://shamir.mediamonitors.net/index.html
Palestine is not a dead object, she is a living country. Palestinians are
her soul.
Jewish Opposition to Zionism -
http://codoh.com/zionweb/ziondark/zionoppdex.html
Historical documents showing persistent Jewish support for pluralistic
democracy rather than segregation.
Rodfei Shalom - Jewish Peacemakers Delegation to Israel/Palestine -
http://www.geocities.com/jewishpeacemakers/index.html
"Olive Tree Summer 2001" was a delegation of Jews from North America and the
world to Israel / Palestine to participate in nonviolent protest.
Jewish Bulletin: Israeli who protects Palestinians from IDF's bullets
speaks here (November 09, 2001) -
http://www.jewishsf.com/bk011109/eb20.shtml
Liad Kantorowicz, 23-year-old Israeli-American activist, says Israelis feel
victimized while they are the ones victimizing Palestinians, and works
against apartheid to make Israel a better place to be from.
Palestine: What Americans need to Know -- but probably won't be told -- to
Understand Palestinian Rage -
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/palestine/eduardoCohen.html
Eduardo Cohen of KPFA sees the depth of Israeli racism and repression in
Palestine, and of incomprehension and censorship on the subject when he
returns.
Felicia Langer - A portrait. Al Ahram Weekly -
http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/1998/402/pal2.htm
Ostracised and repeatedly threatened with death at the hands of her own
people, lawyer Felicia Langer has not flinched since she adopted the
Palestinian cause.
Build Palestinian Confidence in What? (IHT) -
http://www.iht.com/articles/26300.htm
Henry Siegman of the Foreign Relations Council, former executive of the
American Jewish Congress, points out that Israel has not offered peace, but
only continued occupation.
A Spokesman For Justice: A Tribute to Rabbi Elmer Berger -
http://www.washington-report.org/Washington-Report_org/www/backissues/1096/9
610012.htm
by Grace Halsell. Founder of American Jewish Alternatives to Zionism (AJAZ),
believer in core values of Judaism and democracy which Zionism tramples on.
Jeff Halper: Simply look at the maps -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishPeaceNews/message/400
Israeli anthropology professor shows how Barak's "best offer" makes
geographical shreds of Palestine.
Like Father, Like Son: A Tribute to Moshe and Yehudi Menuhin, by Grace
Halsell -
http://www.washington-report.org/Washington-Report_org/www/backissues/0796/9
607018.htm
"Jews should be Jews, not Nazis" - Moshe Menuhin on Israeli oppression of
Palestinians.
The Jews Are Not A Race! -
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7891/notrace.html
Alfred Lilienthal debunks the Hebrew descent of European converts to
Judaism.
Benjamin Freedman - A Jewish Defector Warns America -
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/freedman.html
The famous 1961 speech by this New York businessman exposes "Zionist control
of the US Government," including the plot to push the US into WWI in order
to annex Palestine, thereby sowing seeds of Nazism and Communism.
Palestine Media Watch -
http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/links/jewishorganizations.html
List of Pro-Palestinian Rights Jewish Organizations.
Gideon Levy: Like the old days in South Africa -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishPeaceNews/message/773
Raymond Louw, editor who fought apartheid in South Africa, finds Israel even
worse, because it aims at expelling the indigenous oppressed.
"The Second half of 48" - The Sharon-Ya'alon Plan (by Tanya Reinhart) -
http://www.mediamonitors.net/tanya8.html
How Alon became Ya'alon - Oslo as a tool to "finish the job" of liquidating
the people of Palestine.
Albert Einstein and Martin Buber Quotes - http://www.aai-us.org/main.html
Einstein: "I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on
the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish State."
Buber: "our murderous sickness of causeless hatred is bound to bring
complete ruin upon us. Only then will our land realize how great was our
responsibility to those Arab refugees in whose towns we settled."
Amy and the Jews - http://courant.ctnow.com/news/special/ne/amy_0715.stm
Amy Pagnozzi, the Hartford Courant's spunky columnist, plunges into a media
firefight.
WRMEA: If All Rabbis Were Like Arik Ascherman, Middle East Peace Would Be
Attainable - http://www.wrmea.com/archives/october01/0110015.html
Rabbi Ascherman of Rabbis for Human Rights actively protests the demolition
of Palestinian homes, and admits the right of return of refugees to a
secular democratic state.
An Unconditional Withdrawal from the Territories is Urgently Needed
(lemonde/zmag) - http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/ayalonwithdr.cfm
Ami Ayalon, chief of Israeli security Shin Bet 1996-2000 , places blame for
violence on Israel and calls for withdrawal and acceptance of a contiguous
Palestinian state.
Jews Speak Out Against the Occupation -
http://www.cam.org/~rsilver/jewspeakout.htm
Pacifist, dissident Montreal organization's call on Jews to stand up and
demand an end to war and apartheid, with list of signers.
The Bible Unearthed (rense.com) - http://www.rense.com/general18/bible.htm
Larry Saltzman, a horticulturalist, actively opposed the occupation upon
Israel's wanton destruction of orchards. He reports on a new archaelogical
consensus that undermines Zionism: ancient Israel was Canaanite, not Hebrew.
Muhammad's Killer - http://www.mediamonitors.net/netagolan1.html
Chatting with a stranger, activist Neta Golan discovers the young soldier
who gunned down her young Arab friend in cold blood.
In Memoriam, Israel Shahak. Obituary by Norton Mezvinsky (WRMEA) -
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/october01/0110071.html
Eulogizes a man of courage and conviction, born in a Polish ghetto, died in
Jerusalem, who blazed a scholarly trail with radical writings on the
reactionary character of Zionism and Talmudic Judaism.
Interviews in Occupied Territory. - http://www.occupied.org
Mainly audio - video dialogue around demolished houses in Hebron.
With Jews Like These... - http://masada2000.org/selfhate.html
Denouncing Jews who are active in the peace movement, or who question
Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, as self-hating enemies of the
state.
Siege of the Innocent by Rachelle Marshall -
http://www.koutayba.com/palestine/siege.html
A Jewish home in Palestine built upon bayonets and oppression is not worth
having. Rabbi Judah Magnes, letter to Chaim Weizmann, 1929.
Independent News: British Jews at odds after rabbi criticises Israel -
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=101898
A prominent liberal, Rabbi Dr David Goldberg, provoked consternation by
describing Israel as the "last colonial power in the world" and "a golden
calf."
South African Jews Polarized Over Israel (washingtonpost.com) -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63012-2001Dec18.html
Anti-Racism Leaders Equate Country's Treatment of Palestinians to Apartheid.
Yahoo Groups : JewishPeaceNews -
http://www.egroups.com/group/JewishPeaceNews
This public news list on the Middle East Conflict and US intervention posts
current news and comment pieces, moderated by pro-Palestine American Jews.
Victor Ostrovsky [broken link] -
http://www2.southwind.net/~amfirst/ostrovsk.htm
A former Mossad spy talks about Israel's behind the scenes influence on the
U. S.
On the Palestinian Right of Return - http://tari.org/marc_Ellis.htm
This Essay by Marc Ellis is "A Jewish Meditation on History, Rights and
Return".
Yahoo! Groups : al-awda-unity -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/al-awda-unity
Jewish activism for Middle East justice.
Ariga: from the Intersection of Three Continents since 1995 -
http://ariga.com
Israeli e-zine linking to Human Rights Groups, Rabin's Last Speech, historic
documents, Jewish-Arab Dialogue, Non-supremacist Religious Zionism, News
from Ha'aretz, Dukium - the Negev Coexistence Forum, Shalom/Salaam/Welcome
Peace Links, Magazines Supporting Peace, Stop the 911 War.
Jews against the Occupation - New York City -
http://www.angelcities.com/members/jato
Activism, events, resources, discussion board.
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"TCS" <The.Central.Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnborq23.2rn.The.Central.Scrutinizer@linux.adamf625.kaosol.net...
On 16 Oct 2003 02:25:43 +0200, <>
wrote:
the holocaust was fake.
Joseph Hammburger, who has asked for his real name to be kept secret, is a
religious Jew who hid his Judaism and served in the Wehrmacht. Now 82 and
living in north Germany, his family died in the Holocaust.
He was born a full Jew but, before the war, moved from north to south
Germany where he assumed a new non-Jewish identity and entered officer
training school. He became an officer and married a Jewish girl whom he
brought from his home town to join him.
He served six and a half years in the military and reached the rank of
captain. He said he remained a religious Jew during his military service
but nobody knew about his Jewishness.
Field marshal Erhard Milch was a personal friend of Hermann Goering and the
highest ranking officer found to be of Jewish parentage.
Born in 1892, he became the chairman of Lufthansa in 1926 and head of the
air ministry in 1935. He masterminded German aircraft production and
transformed the Luftwaffe.
His father, Anton Milch, was Jewish. The response of the Nazi hierarchy was
to change Milch's parentage.
Bryan Rigg has found a document, dated Aug. 7, 1935, when Milch was a
lieutenant general, in which Goering writes: "Erhard Milch is of Aryan
descent ... we have seen that his real father is Karl Brauer. His siblings
are also of Aryan descent."
Brauer was Erhard's maternal uncle. The Nazis preferred incest to
Jewishness. Milch was convicted at the Nuremberg war crimes trial and was
imprisoned from 1945-55. He died in 1972.
Helmut Schmidt, the Chancellor of West Germany from 1974-82, had a Jewish
grandfather but only learnt of this from his mother when he was in his late
teens and about to enter a higher rank of the Hitler Youth. The secret of
his Jewish grandfather had been suppressed because his father was the son
of an illegitimate relationship. Helmut Schmidt kept Jewish ancestry secret
and went on to become a lieutenant in the Luftwaffe.
Edgar Jacobson, another pseudonym, was, by Nazi definition, a full Jew,
though not practising. He married a non-Jew and his wife is still alive. He
was a film-maker who worked in the propaganda office in Paris in 1941 and
was awarded the Iron Cross First Class.
In 1941 his sister, who was wearing a Jewish star, tried to attend a Nazi
meeting but was refused admittance. She remonstrated with those who barred
her way that her brother was a major in the army.
The case was investigated. Jacobson was court-martialled, put in prison for
having given a false statement about his ancestry and discharged from the
military as "Jude."
Later he was sent to a labour camp, where he was made to work for an
officer of lesser rank than he had been. The officer complained at this
injustice. Jacobson was given compensation by the German authorities after
the war.
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