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"Carol Lee Smith" |
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29 Aug 2003 03:03:33 PM |
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Holy War? |
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRAQ.html?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 29
The explosion occurred moments after the Shiite leader, Ayatollah Mohammed
Bakir al-Hakim, had left the site, which houses the tomb of Imam Ali and
is considered the holiest shrine in Shiite Islam.
Ayatollah al-Hakim was an important Shiite ally of the American occupying
force and his death will likely undermine the coalition's efforts to build
stability in Iraq.
No group immediately claimed responsibility for the bombing, which also
injured at least 140 people, according to a doctor running the emergency
room a the city's teaching hospital.
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religion is divisive.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Holy War? |
29 Aug 2003 03:54:12 PM |
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Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRAQ.html?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 29
The explosion occurred moments after the Shiite leader, Ayatollah Mohammed
Bakir al-Hakim, had left the site, which houses the tomb of Imam Ali and
is considered the holiest shrine in Shiite Islam.
Ayatollah al-Hakim was an important Shiite ally of the American occupying
force and his death will likely undermine the coalition's efforts to build
stability in Iraq.
No group immediately claimed responsibility for the bombing, which also
injured at least 140 people, according to a doctor running the emergency
room a the city's teaching hospital.
The Shi'ites and Sunnis have been after each other for some 1400 years. Merely the
latest instance of xenophobia.
I honestly don't think you can blame religion per se. If it were not for religious
differences, "we" versus "they" violence would be manifest through some other
difference: ethnicity or language or economic philosophy or geographic identity or
skin color or gender or which end of an egg gets opened first when eating one
that's been soft boiled. Let's face it: humans hate one another, and anything that
will justify that hate can and will be used.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Holy War? |
30 Aug 2003 03:08:11 AM |
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In article <3F4FBD74.B376DF0E@serv.net>,
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote:
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRAQ.html
?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 29
The explosion occurred moments after the Shiite leader, Ayatollah Mohammed
Bakir al-Hakim, had left the site, which houses the tomb of Imam Ali and
is considered the holiest shrine in Shiite Islam.
Ayatollah al-Hakim was an important Shiite ally of the American occupying
force and his death will likely undermine the coalition's efforts to build
stability in Iraq.
No group immediately claimed responsibility for the bombing, which also
injured at least 140 people, according to a doctor running the emergency
room a the city's teaching hospital.
The Shi'ites and Sunnis have been after each other for some 1400 years.
Merely the
latest instance of xenophobia.
I honestly don't think you can blame religion per se. If it were not for
religious
differences, "we" versus "they" violence would be manifest through some other
difference: ethnicity or language or economic philosophy or geographic
identity or
skin color or gender or which end of an egg gets opened first when eating one
that's been soft boiled. Let's face it: humans hate one another, and anything
that
will justify that hate can and will be used.
--
It's not known who is responsible yet. Many think that it might have
been the Sunni followers of Saddam. However, many others think that it
might have been other Shi'ites fighting for political control of that
group.There seems to have been a power struggle going on since the
occupation began. In that case, it may have been a political rather
than a religiously motivated assassination.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: AA AQOTM Nomination--Re: Holy War? |
29 Aug 2003 10:03:35 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:41:05 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:3F4FBD74.B376DF0E@serv.net:
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRA
Q.html?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 29
The explosion occurred moments after the Shiite leader, Ayatollah
Mohammed Bakir al-Hakim, had left the site, which houses the tomb of
Imam Ali and is considered the holiest shrine in Shiite Islam.
Ayatollah al-Hakim was an important Shiite ally of the American
occupying force and his death will likely undermine the coalition's
efforts to build stability in Iraq.
No group immediately claimed responsibility for the bombing, which
also injured at least 140 people, according to a doctor running the
emergency room a the city's teaching hospital.
The Shi'ites and Sunnis have been after each other for some 1400
years. Merely the latest instance of xenophobia.
Nominated bit:
I honestly don't think you can blame religion per se. If it were not
for religious differences, "we" versus "they" violence would be
manifest through some other difference: ethnicity or language or
economic philosophy or geographic identity or skin color or gender or
which end of an egg gets opened first when eating one that's been soft
boiled. Let's face it: humans hate one another, and anything that will
justify that hate can and will be used. --
Seconds?
I will second the nomination with qualification....
*We* do not naturally hate one another.
The facts are in.
Whether it's plague or pestilence, earthquake fire or flood we are
generally there for one another despite our differences.
History has validated the fact from generation to generation, from
society to society.
It's the priests and politicians who separate us into groups, who
convince us that those who are different must be destroyed or
imprisoned if we are to live.
It's the Baptist leader with the I.Q. of a bug who convinces his eager
and willing followers that the Jew is the enemy and the Rabbi who
convinces his followers that the Baptist is a threat.
And it's through the eloquent speech and political machinations of
both that the claims become fact.
It's the Democrat leader who convinces his followers that all
Republicans are evil and in response the Republican who reverses the
claim and lays the same charge upon his opponents convincing *his*
followers that the Democrat is the "Devil.".
But really, it's the followers, the "useful idiots" who peel off like
ducks on a pond, quacking and quacking the party line or who
comfortably form up into herds and bleat, bleat and bleat party
propaganda so loudly that the truth is drowned out by the mindless
noise.
It isn't them, it's us.
Our leaders are too often fools and we are bigger fools for believing
anything they say.
But then why should they be any different?
What they do works for them and the rest of us be damned.
And we prove them right every time do we not?
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "*Nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: AA AQOTM Nomination--Re: Holy War? |
31 Aug 2003 04:12:06 AM |
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In article <6020lv87b9ti5scp67lu7rdfpp19iq426t@4ax.com>,
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:41:05 GMT, "Dr. Smartass"
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net> wrote in
news:3F4FBD74.B376DF0E@serv.net:
Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRA
Q.html?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
NAJAF, Iraq, Aug. 29
The explosion occurred moments after the Shiite leader, Ayatollah
Mohammed Bakir al-Hakim, had left the site, which houses the tomb of
Imam Ali and is considered the holiest shrine in Shiite Islam.
Ayatollah al-Hakim was an important Shiite ally of the American
occupying force and his death will likely undermine the coalition's
efforts to build stability in Iraq.
No group immediately claimed responsibility for the bombing, which
also injured at least 140 people, according to a doctor running the
emergency room a the city's teaching hospital.
The Shi'ites and Sunnis have been after each other for some 1400
years. Merely the latest instance of xenophobia.
Nominated bit:
I honestly don't think you can blame religion per se. If it were not
for religious differences, "we" versus "they" violence would be
manifest through some other difference: ethnicity or language or
economic philosophy or geographic identity or skin color or gender or
which end of an egg gets opened first when eating one that's been soft
boiled. Let's face it: humans hate one another, and anything that will
justify that hate can and will be used. --
Seconds?
I will second the nomination with qualification....
<snip>
Recorded.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Holy War? |
29 Aug 2003 04:38:17 PM |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:33 -0500, Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRAQ.html?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
Well, you know how it is. Gawds like BBQ!
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Holy War? |
02 Sep 2003 08:53:35 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:33 -0500, Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRAQ.html?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
Well, you know how it is. Gawds like BBQ!
No, it's their priests who like BBQ. The deity only gets the pepperoni parts: fat,
bones, blood, hide, horns, hooves, etc. The meat goes to the priests who are
"considerate" enough to make the sacrifices.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
Is your faith so weak and your god so powerless
that, without government endorsement of your
religion, all hell will break loose?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Holy War? |
02 Sep 2003 11:47:24 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 06:53:35 -0700, Gregory Gadow wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:03:33 -0500, Carol Lee Smith wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/international/worldspecial/29CND-IRAQ.html?hp
At least 90 killed at holy site.
Well, you know how it is. Gawds like BBQ!
No, it's their priests who like BBQ. The deity only gets the pepperoni
parts: fat, bones, blood, hide, horns, hooves, etc. The meat goes to the
priests who are "considerate" enough to make the sacrifices. --
How *rude!
They just let gawd *smell the BBQ but don't *share it with him?!?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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