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User: "Fredric L. Rice"
Date: 18 Oct 2003 10:27:55 AM
Object: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed
As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

From The Contra Costa Times, 10/18/03:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/7044417.htm

Pentagon official sorry for remarks on Islam
By Paul Richter
LOS ANGELES TIMES
WASHINGTON -
A senior Pentagon official under fire for his comments about Islam
said Friday that he never intended to denigrate the Muslim faith, and
is not a "zealot or an extremist."
In his first comments on the controversy, Lt. Gen. William "Jerry"
Boykin, deputy assistant secretary for intelligence, said his earlier
statements had been misconstrued.
He said he did not believe that the Bush administration's "war on
terrorism" was a conflict between Christianity and Islam.
"For those who have been offended, I offer a sincere apology," he said
in a statement.
A highly decorated Special Operations specialist and born-again
Christian, Boykin has spoken about his faith and Islam in a series of
appearances before Christian groups.
The comments, reported this week by the Los Angeles Times and NBC,
appeared to undermine President Bush's arguments that the American
anti-terroriam effort is not aimed at Islam.
Last year, for example, relating how he had fought a Somali warlord,
Boykin told an audience:
"My God was bigger than his ... I knew that my God was a real God and
that his was an idol."
In another speech, he said some Muslims hated the United States
"because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our
roots are Judeo-Christian ... and the enemy is a guy called Satan."
Boykin also told a gathering that Bush was in the White House although
"the majority of Americans did not vote for him. Why is he there? He's
in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."
But Boykin said Friday that he had been misunderstood.
When he spoke of the Somali warlord, he did not mean that the Somali's
god was Islam, but rather "his worship of money and power --
idolatry."
Boykin said he did believe that "radical extremists have sought to use
Islam as a cause of attacks on America."
As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."
Although he defended his comments, Boykin has told others at the
Pentagon that he will stop making speeches to religious groups and
will try to tone down his remarks on the sensitive subject of
religion.
Defense officials said his job was not in jeopardy.
Although senior Pentagon and White House officials have sought to
minimize damage from the episode, it is clear that some Muslim
audiences are angry.
Adel Jubeir, a foreign policy adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah,
told reporters in Washington Friday that Boykin's comments were
"outrageous" and "certainly unbecoming of a senior government
official."
White House spokesman Trent Duffy, asked to comment on the general's
remarks, referred questions to the Pentagon.
Duffy noted that Bush has said the United States is not at war with
Islam.
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User: "Maverick"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 18 Oct 2003 12:09:39 PM
10/18/2003, around 05:27:55 PM, Fredric L. Rice wrote:

As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

From The Contra Costa Times, 10/18/03:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/7044417.htm

Pentagon official sorry for remarks on Islam

By Paul Richter
LOS ANGELES TIMES

WASHINGTON -

[...]

Last year, for example, relating how he had fought a Somali warlord,
Boykin told an audience:

"My God was bigger than his ... I knew that my God was a real God and
that his was an idol."

My imaginary friend is better than yours!
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 19 Oct 2003 02:26:52 AM
In article <ntekb.296$947.163@nntpserver.swip.net>,
"Maverick" <insensitive_clod@hotmail.com> wrote:

10/18/2003, around 05:27:55 PM, Fredric L. Rice wrote:

As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

From The Contra Costa Times, 10/18/03:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/7044417.htm

Pentagon official sorry for remarks on Islam

By Paul Richter
LOS ANGELES TIMES

WASHINGTON -


[...]

Last year, for example, relating how he had fought a Somali warlord,
Boykin told an audience:

"My God was bigger than his ... I knew that my God was a real God and
that his was an idol."



My imaginary friend is better than yours!

My *GAWD* can beat up your *GAWD*!
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
.


User: "Woden"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 18 Oct 2003 12:02:47 PM
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in
news:vp2n21eka6dd0f@corp.supernews.com:

As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

From The Contra Costa Times, 10/18/03:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/7044417.htm

Pentagon official sorry for remarks on Islam

By Paul Richter
LOS ANGELES TIMES

WASHINGTON -

A senior Pentagon official under fire for his comments about Islam
said Friday that he never intended to denigrate the Muslim faith, and
is not a "zealot or an extremist."

In his first comments on the controversy, Lt. Gen. William "Jerry"
Boykin, deputy assistant secretary for intelligence, said his earlier
statements had been misconstrued.

He said he did not believe that the Bush administration's "war on
terrorism" was a conflict between Christianity and Islam.

"For those who have been offended, I offer a sincere apology," he said
in a statement.

A highly decorated Special Operations specialist and born-again
Christian, Boykin has spoken about his faith and Islam in a series of
appearances before Christian groups.

The comments, reported this week by the Los Angeles Times and NBC,
appeared to undermine President Bush's arguments that the American
anti-terroriam effort is not aimed at Islam.

Last year, for example, relating how he had fought a Somali warlord,
Boykin told an audience:

"My God was bigger than his ... I knew that my God was a real God and
that his was an idol."

In another speech, he said some Muslims hated the United States
"because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our
roots are Judeo-Christian ... and the enemy is a guy called Satan."

Boykin also told a gathering that Bush was in the White House although
"the majority of Americans did not vote for him. Why is he there? He's
in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

But Boykin said Friday that he had been misunderstood.

When he spoke of the Somali warlord, he did not mean that the Somali's
god was Islam, but rather "his worship of money and power --
idolatry."

Boykin said he did believe that "radical extremists have sought to use
Islam as a cause of attacks on America."

As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

Although he defended his comments, Boykin has told others at the
Pentagon that he will stop making speeches to religious groups and
will try to tone down his remarks on the sensitive subject of
religion.

Defense officials said his job was not in jeopardy.

Although senior Pentagon and White House officials have sought to
minimize damage from the episode, it is clear that some Muslim
audiences are angry.

Adel Jubeir, a foreign policy adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah,
told reporters in Washington Friday that Boykin's comments were
"outrageous" and "certainly unbecoming of a senior government
official."

White House spokesman Trent Duffy, asked to comment on the general's
remarks, referred questions to the Pentagon.

Duffy noted that Bush has said the United States is not at war with
Islam.

Sounds to me like his boss called him in and basically said something to
the effect that "we don't disagree with what you said, but tone it down a
little so the press and the liberals don't get uppity about it"
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political institution for the control of
people's thoughts, lives, and actions; based on
ancient myths and superstitions perpetrated through
generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
.
User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 18 Oct 2003 02:23:17 PM
In article <Xns941884FE65611wodencharternet@216.168.3.44>,
Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

Sounds to me like his boss called him in and basically said something to
the effect that "we don't disagree with what you said, but tone it down a
little so the press and the liberals don't get uppity about it"

--

Woden

What's really depressing is that it's all too likely that once again,
all they'll have to do is hunker down, keep away from the press for a
couple of weeks, and no one will bother them again.
We have a bunch of lapdogs in the media these days. Pathetic
--
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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Quotemeister since March 2002
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 19 Oct 2003 02:31:41 AM
In article
<nemo0037-B56EAA.15231518102003@news06.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:

In article <Xns941884FE65611wodencharternet@216.168.3.44>,
Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

Sounds to me like his boss called him in and basically said something to
the effect that "we don't disagree with what you said, but tone it down a
little so the press and the liberals don't get uppity about it"

--

Woden



What's really depressing is that it's all too likely that once again,
all they'll have to do is hunker down, keep away from the press for a
couple of weeks, and no one will bother them again.

We have a bunch of lapdogs in the media these days. Pathetic

This is sad but true. Not too long ago, if a high ranking officer
mouthed off like that, he'd find himself taking a penguin census at
some small base in Antarctica.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
.
User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 19 Oct 2003 04:53:49 AM
In article <jhachm-343AAD.00314119102003@central.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:

In article
<nemo0037-B56EAA.15231518102003@news06.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:

In article <Xns941884FE65611wodencharternet@216.168.3.44>,
Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

Sounds to me like his boss called him in and basically said something to
the effect that "we don't disagree with what you said, but tone it down a
little so the press and the liberals don't get uppity about it"

--

Woden



What's really depressing is that it's all too likely that once again,
all they'll have to do is hunker down, keep away from the press for a
couple of weeks, and no one will bother them again.

We have a bunch of lapdogs in the media these days. Pathetic


This is sad but true. Not too long ago, if a high ranking officer
mouthed off like that, he'd find himself taking a penguin census at
some small base in Antarctica.

Heh. I'd prefer to send him to take a night patrol with a single nerdy
corporal for a buddy in some little town in eastern Afghanistan. I think
we'd find out just how "big" his *GAWD!* is pretty damn quick.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 19 Oct 2003 11:33:39 PM
In article
<nemo0037-2C9BEB.05534919102003@news05.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:

In article <jhachm-343AAD.00314119102003@central.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachm@remove.ixpres.com> wrote:

In article
<nemo0037-B56EAA.15231518102003@news06.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@yahoo.dieSPAM.com> wrote:

In article <Xns941884FE65611wodencharternet@216.168.3.44>,
Woden <woden@charter.net> wrote:

Sounds to me like his boss called him in and basically said something
to
the effect that "we don't disagree with what you said, but tone it down
a
little so the press and the liberals don't get uppity about it"

--

Woden



What's really depressing is that it's all too likely that once again,
all they'll have to do is hunker down, keep away from the press for a
couple of weeks, and no one will bother them again.

We have a bunch of lapdogs in the media these days. Pathetic


This is sad but true. Not too long ago, if a high ranking officer
mouthed off like that, he'd find himself taking a penguin census at
some small base in Antarctica.


Heh. I'd prefer to send him to take a night patrol with a single nerdy
corporal for a buddy in some little town in eastern Afghanistan. I think
we'd find out just how "big" his *GAWD!* is pretty damn quick.

I'd send along W with a bullhorn so he could shout: "Bring 'em on!".
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782

Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
.




User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 18 Oct 2003 03:14:07 PM
Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:02:47 -0000, a stranger
called by some Woden <woden@charter.net> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism

Sounds to me like his boss called him in and basically said something to
the effect that "we don't disagree with what you said, but tone it down a
little so the press and the liberals don't get uppity about it"

No, to get a Lieutenant General to backtrack that hard.. I imagine
he's the pround owner of a new *****.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
.


User: "maff"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 19 Oct 2003 06:49:54 AM
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<vp2n21eka6dd0f@corp.supernews.com>...

As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

From The Contra Costa Times, 10/18/03:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/7044417.htm

Pentagon official sorry for remarks on Islam

By Paul Richter
LOS ANGELES TIMES

WASHINGTON -

A senior Pentagon official under fire for his comments about Islam
said Friday that he never intended to denigrate the Muslim faith, and
is not a "zealot or an extremist."

In his first comments on the controversy, Lt. Gen. William "Jerry"
Boykin, deputy assistant secretary for intelligence, said his earlier
statements had been misconstrued.

He said he did not believe that the Bush administration's "war on
terrorism" was a conflict between Christianity and Islam.

"For those who have been offended, I offer a sincere apology," he said
in a statement.

A highly decorated Special Operations specialist and born-again
Christian, Boykin has spoken about his faith and Islam in a series of
appearances before Christian groups.

The comments, reported this week by the Los Angeles Times and NBC,
appeared to undermine President Bush's arguments that the American
anti-terroriam effort is not aimed at Islam.

Last year, for example, relating how he had fought a Somali warlord,
Boykin told an audience:

"My God was bigger than his ... I knew that my God was a real God and
that his was an idol."

In another speech, he said some Muslims hated the United States
"because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our
roots are Judeo-Christian ... and the enemy is a guy called Satan."

Boykin also told a gathering that Bush was in the White House although
"the majority of Americans did not vote for him. Why is he there? He's
in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

But Boykin said Friday that he had been misunderstood.

When he spoke of the Somali warlord, he did not mean that the Somali's
god was Islam, but rather "his worship of money and power --
idolatry."

Boykin said he did believe that "radical extremists have sought to use
Islam as a cause of attacks on America."

As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

Although he defended his comments, Boykin has told others at the
Pentagon that he will stop making speeches to religious groups and
will try to tone down his remarks on the sensitive subject of
religion.

Defense officials said his job was not in jeopardy.

Although senior Pentagon and White House officials have sought to
minimize damage from the episode, it is clear that some Muslim
audiences are angry.

Adel Jubeir, a foreign policy adviser to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah,
told reporters in Washington Friday that Boykin's comments were
"outrageous" and "certainly unbecoming of a senior government
official."

White House spokesman Trent Duffy, asked to comment on the general's
remarks, referred questions to the Pentagon.

Duffy noted that Bush has said the United States is not at war with
Islam.

Does that mean Confederates were all Muslims?


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.

User: "*nemo*"

Title: Re: Holy War General says he's sorry for being exposed 18 Oct 2003 02:18:57 PM
In article <vp2n21eka6dd0f@corp.supernews.com>,
(Fredric L. Rice) wrote:

As for his statement that God had installed Bush in the White House,
Boykin said he meant that God had done the same for "Bill Clinton and
other presidents."

From The Contra Costa Times, 10/18/03:
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/7044417.htm

Pentagon official sorry for remarks on Islam

It's amazing that in this day and age, people like Boykinn will *insist*
on shooting off their mouths in public. "My *GAWD!* was bigger that
their *GAWD!*" Sheesh!
--
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Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
.


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