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"kathryn" |
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18 Oct 2004 12:37:05 PM |
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Homecoming novels - Orson Scott Card |
I was wondering if anyone else here had read them? I've only read 4 and 5
(cheap in a WH Smith sale). I've found the 5th book, pretty tough,
specially at the end because there seemed to be such a heavy religious
overtone in it - as in the Keeper of Earth = god. It makes it quite
difficult to read as I feel as though I'm supposed to be getting some god
affirmation through it.
I wondered if this was just me or if anyone has had felt this way?
Kathryn
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Homecoming novels - Orson Scott Card |
18 Oct 2004 02:36:39 PM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in news:cl0v01$fef$1@titan.btinternet.com:
I was wondering if anyone else here had read them? I've only read 4
and 5 (cheap in a WH Smith sale). I've found the 5th book, pretty
tough, specially at the end because there seemed to be such a heavy
religious overtone in it - as in the Keeper of Earth = god. It makes
it quite difficult to read as I feel as though I'm supposed to be
getting some god affirmation through it.
I wondered if this was just me or if anyone has had felt this way?
Yes, very much so. The connection is especially obvious in the first
volume. That whole series is a sci-fi-ized verson of The Book of Mormon.
I'm afraid that much of Card's work is like that; he'll get off to a good
start and then he begins to preach. When he manages to resist the
temptation he's really pretty good.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Ghod" |
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| Title: Re: Homecoming novels - Orson Scott Card |
18 Oct 2004 03:55:08 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95869ED126B10fstone69@207.69.189.191...
: "kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in
news:cl0v01$fef$1@titan.btinternet.com:
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: > I was wondering if anyone else here had read them? I've only read
4
: > and 5 (cheap in a WH Smith sale). I've found the 5th book, pretty
: > tough, specially at the end because there seemed to be such a
heavy
: > religious overtone in it - as in the Keeper of Earth = god. It
makes
: > it quite difficult to read as I feel as though I'm supposed to be
: > getting some god affirmation through it.
: >
: > I wondered if this was just me or if anyone has had felt this way?
: >
:
: Yes, very much so. The connection is especially obvious in the first
: volume. That whole series is a sci-fi-ized verson of The Book of
Mormon.
:
: I'm afraid that much of Card's work is like that; he'll get off to a
good
: start and then he begins to preach. When he manages to resist the
: temptation he's really pretty good.
Yup, that's about the size of it. He could be so much better, if he'd
lay off the religion.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: Homecoming novels - Orson Scott Card |
18 Oct 2004 05:40:22 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:36:39 +0000, Fred Stone wrote:
"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in news:cl0v01$fef$1@titan.btinternet.com:
I was wondering if anyone else here had read them? I've only read 4 and
5 (cheap in a WH Smith sale). I've found the 5th book, pretty tough,
specially at the end because there seemed to be such a heavy religious
overtone in it - as in the Keeper of Earth = god. It makes it quite
difficult to read as I feel as though I'm supposed to be getting some
god affirmation through it.
I wondered if this was just me or if anyone has had felt this way?
Yes, very much so. The connection is especially obvious in the first
volume. That whole series is a sci-fi-ized verson of The Book of Mormon.
I'm afraid that much of Card's work is like that; he'll get off to a
good start and then he begins to preach. When he manages to resist the
temptation he's really pretty good.
It's been a LONG time since I read the Homecoming series. At the time, I
didn't really pick up on the religious slant. Perhaps I just wasn't
reading enough into it. I remember reading a collection of his short
stories, "The Worthing Saga" that, at the time, seemed almost
anti-religious, but I don't remember what about made me feel that way.
I think he is a helluva story teller, and don't find him preachy at all.
Definitely, though, read the Homecoming series from the start.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Homecoming novels - Orson Scott Card |
18 Oct 2004 09:46:09 PM |
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In article <pan.2004.10.18.22.42.57.593955@stopspam.net>,
MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote:
It's been a LONG time since I read the Homecoming series. At the time, I
didn't really pick up on the religious slant. Perhaps I just wasn't
reading enough into it. I remember reading a collection of his short
stories, "The Worthing Saga" that, at the time, seemed almost
anti-religious, but I don't remember what about made me feel that way.
He did at first put in stuff that was critical of religion, even pretty
rationalist. But he "grew out of that" and became a Writer for *GAWD!*
after a while. Bleah.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: O.S. Card's latest work (was: Homecoming novels... |
20 Oct 2004 08:09:53 PM |
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In article <nemo0037-8150CE.22460918102004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
<snip>
He did at first put in stuff that was critical of religion, even pretty
rationalist. But he "grew out of that" and became a Writer for *GAWD!*
after a while. Bleah.
Check it out. Orson Scott Card has just gotten a letter to the editor in
the Greensboro paper:
http://www.news-record.com/news/opinions/letters/wedletts_102004.htm
Doesn't 'diversity' include Christians?
According to a recent article by Holly Lebowitz Rossi, distributed by
Religion News Service, "Over the next few weeks, multicultural trainer
Afeefa Syeed will bring third-, fourth- and fifth-grade students from
the Muslim Al Fatih Academy in Herndon, Va., to area public schools to
share the practices and beliefs of their holiest month, Ramadan. "Syeed
and the children will present the call to prayer in Arabic, display
prayer rugs and offer tastes of dates. In countless other classrooms
across the country, similar efforts will be made to educate students
about the time of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the
world's second-largest religion."
Does this mean that in December, multicultural trainers will bring
Christian students into the public schools to sing Christmas carols,
pass out candy canes and share other practices of the most popular
Christian holiday?
Or is there a gross double standard in American education and public
life today?
Orson Scott Card
Greensboro
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: O.S. Card's latest work (was: Homecoming novels... |
21 Oct 2004 01:18:15 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-314869.21095120102004@news1.east.earthlink.net...
In article <nemo0037-8150CE.22460918102004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
<snip>
He did at first put in stuff that was critical of religion, even pretty
rationalist. But he "grew out of that" and became a Writer for *GAWD!*
after a while. Bleah.
Check it out. Orson Scott Card has just gotten a letter to the editor in
the Greensboro paper:
http://www.news-record.com/news/opinions/letters/wedletts_102004.htm
Doesn't 'diversity' include Christians?
According to a recent article by Holly Lebowitz Rossi, distributed by
Religion News Service, "Over the next few weeks, multicultural trainer
Afeefa Syeed will bring third-, fourth- and fifth-grade students from
the Muslim Al Fatih Academy in Herndon, Va., to area public schools to
share the practices and beliefs of their holiest month, Ramadan. "Syeed
and the children will present the call to prayer in Arabic, display
prayer rugs and offer tastes of dates. In countless other classrooms
across the country, similar efforts will be made to educate students
about the time of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the
world's second-largest religion."
Does this mean that in December, multicultural trainers will bring
Christian students into the public schools to sing Christmas carols,
pass out candy canes and share other practices of the most popular
Christian holiday?
Or is there a gross double standard in American education and public
life today?
Orson Scott Card
Greensboro
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Nemo
How about they probably sing christian carols and whatever already?
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| User: "MarkA" |
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| Title: Re: O.S. Card's latest work (was: Homecoming novels... |
21 Oct 2004 06:34:45 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:09:53 +0000, *nemo* wrote:
In article <nemo0037-8150CE.22460918102004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
<snip>
He did at first put in stuff that was critical of religion, even pretty
rationalist. But he "grew out of that" and became a Writer for *GAWD!*
after a while. Bleah.
Check it out. Orson Scott Card has just gotten a letter to the editor in
the Greensboro paper:
http://www.news-record.com/news/opinions/letters/wedletts_102004.htm
Doesn't 'diversity' include Christians?
According to a recent article by Holly Lebowitz Rossi, distributed by
Religion News Service, "Over the next few weeks, multicultural trainer
Afeefa Syeed will bring third-, fourth- and fifth-grade students from the
Muslim Al Fatih Academy in Herndon, Va., to area public schools to share
the practices and beliefs of their holiest month, Ramadan. "Syeed and the
children will present the call to prayer in Arabic, display prayer rugs
and offer tastes of dates. In countless other classrooms across the
country, similar efforts will be made to educate students about the time
of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the world's
second-largest religion."
Does this mean that in December, multicultural trainers will bring
Christian students into the public schools to sing Christmas carols, pass
out candy canes and share other practices of the most popular Christian
holiday?
I would be fine with that if it means we could eliminate the presumption
of Christian faith in public life for the other 364 days of the year.
Or is there a gross double standard in American education and public
life today?
Orson Scott Card
Greensboro
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MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass" |
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| Title: Re: O.S. Card's latest work (was: Homecoming novels... |
21 Oct 2004 02:50:59 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:09:53 GMT, *nemo*
<nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
In article <nemo0037-8150CE.22460918102004@news1.east.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
<snip>
He did at first put in stuff that was critical of religion, even pretty
rationalist. But he "grew out of that" and became a Writer for *GAWD!*
after a while. Bleah.
Check it out. Orson Scott Card has just gotten a letter to the editor in
the Greensboro paper:
http://www.news-record.com/news/opinions/letters/wedletts_102004.htm
Even if Card does endorse Bush (who like him, is fiscally liberal and
socially conservative), ender's Game is still a pretty good book.
Doesn't 'diversity' include Christians?
According to a recent article by Holly Lebowitz Rossi, distributed by
Religion News Service, "Over the next few weeks, multicultural trainer
Afeefa Syeed will bring third-, fourth- and fifth-grade students from
the Muslim Al Fatih Academy in Herndon, Va., to area public schools to
share the practices and beliefs of their holiest month, Ramadan. "Syeed
and the children will present the call to prayer in Arabic, display
prayer rugs and offer tastes of dates. In countless other classrooms
across the country, similar efforts will be made to educate students
about the time of fasting and spiritual reflection for adherents of the
world's second-largest religion."
Does this mean that in December, multicultural trainers will bring
Christian students into the public schools to sing Christmas carols,
pass out candy canes and share other practices of the most popular
Christian holiday?
Or is there a gross double standard in American education and public
life today?
Orson Scott Card
Greensboro
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -1.6 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1101 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Homecoming novels - Orson Scott Card |
18 Oct 2004 09:43:51 PM |
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In article <cl0v01$fef$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
I was wondering if anyone else here had read them? I've only read 4 and 5
(cheap in a WH Smith sale). I've found the 5th book, pretty tough,
specially at the end because there seemed to be such a heavy religious
overtone in it - as in the Keeper of Earth = god. It makes it quite
difficult to read as I feel as though I'm supposed to be getting some god
affirmation through it.
I wondered if this was just me or if anyone has had felt this way?
Kathryn
I stopped reading his stuff after buying "Xenocide." But I took a class
with him, and he's a pretty nice guy, but deeply religious. Mormon. But
people do seem to like his stuff for some reason...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Homecoming novels - Orson Scott Card |
19 Oct 2004 11:12:18 AM |
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"*nemo*" <nemo0037@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:nemo0037-458CA9.22435118102004@news1.east.earthlink.net...
In article <cl0v01$fef$1@titan.btinternet.com>, "kathryn" <bob@bob.com>
wrote:
I was wondering if anyone else here had read them? I've only read 4 and 5
(cheap in a WH Smith sale). I've found the 5th book, pretty tough,
specially at the end because there seemed to be such a heavy religious
overtone in it - as in the Keeper of Earth = god. It makes it quite
difficult to read as I feel as though I'm supposed to be getting some god
affirmation through it.
I wondered if this was just me or if anyone has had felt this way?
Kathryn
I stopped reading his stuff after buying "Xenocide." But I took a class
with him, and he's a pretty nice guy, but deeply religious. Mormon. But
people do seem to like his stuff for some reason...
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt
I enjoyed Enders Game which is why when I saw Earthfall and Earthborn on
sale I bought em. I didn't find it too bad in Earthfall because the
oversoul was very obviously a computer and very little was said about the
keeper of earth, but Earthborn was all about the faith and then the keeper m
ight not even be a computer...computers I don't mind...gods I take issue
with.
Kathryn
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