Religions > Atheism > Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments
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26 Feb 2005 04:27:26 PM |
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Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments
AUSTIN, Texas - A homeless man who sued the state to remove a Ten
Commandments monument from the Capitol grounds in Austin has argued
the case in front of a federal judge and an appeals court.
But the former lawyer will step aside Wednesday, when Duke University
law professor and First Amendment scholar Erwin Chemerinsky argues the
case in front of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Thomas Van Orden isn't even sure if he'll make the trip to hear the
arguments. It takes money to go to Washington, Orden says.
The high court will consider whether the six-foot granite monument _
bearing the words "I am the Lord they God" _ and two similar displays
at Kentucky courthouses constitute unconstitutional government
establishment of religion.
Many conservatives warn that if the states lose, the ruling would
force the removal of similar objects from memorials and public spaces
across America.
Derided by some as an atheist, Van Orden says he's simply "not
religious," despite growing up Methodist. He says he didn't sue
religion. He sued the government to uphold the principles of the First
Amendment.
State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
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On the Net:
Supreme Court docket: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/03-1500.htm
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
26 Feb 2005 09:11:24 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:27:26 -0600, mgibson <mgibson@nosp.no> said in
alt.atheism:
Many conservatives warn that if the states lose, the ruling would
force the removal of similar objects from memorials and public spaces
across America.
And the problem with that? Oh, that they were put there in the first
place.
State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
They can be whatever religion they want. Only the GOVERNMENT can't be
religious. What kind of moron did they elect for AG?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
26 Feb 2005 10:51:05 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:11:24 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:27:26 -0600, mgibson <mgibson@nosp.no> said in
alt.atheism:
Many conservatives warn that if the states lose, the ruling would
force the removal of similar objects from memorials and public spaces
across America.
And the problem with that? Oh, that they were put there in the first
place.
State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
They can be whatever religion they want. Only the GOVERNMENT can't be
religious. What kind of moron did they elect for AG?
This kind of moron:
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/index.shtml
You can write to the idiot at this address:
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/agency/contacts.shtml
E-mail for Attorney General Greg Abbott:
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
26 Feb 2005 11:32:13 PM |
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On 26 Feb 2005 22:51:05 -0600, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> said
in alt.atheism:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:11:24 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
They can be whatever religion they want. Only the GOVERNMENT can't be
religious. What kind of moron did they elect for AG?
This kind of moron:
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/index.shtml
You can write to the idiot at this address:
Why would I *want to*?
--
rukbat at verizon dot net
The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the
one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
-- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
27 Feb 2005 12:26:18 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:32:13 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 26 Feb 2005 22:51:05 -0600, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> said
in alt.atheism:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 03:11:24 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
They can be whatever religion they want. Only the GOVERNMENT can't be
religious. What kind of moron did they elect for AG?
This kind of moron:
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/index.shtml
You can write to the idiot at this address:
Why would I *want to*?
You post many hundreds of responses to impotent, powerless christians
who post to this newsgroup. Unlike them, this person is actually in a
position to use tax dollars to promote his brand of Christianity. He
has the power to insure that his brand of Christianity is being
promoted on U.S. public property for many years to come. Why would
people who are threats in their words only, be worthy of your time,
and not someone who is in the position to act on their threats?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
27 Feb 2005 12:41:27 PM |
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On 27 Feb 2005 00:26:18 -0600, LP <whirl_pool@nospam.hotmail.com> said
in alt.atheism:
You post many hundreds of responses to impotent, powerless christians
who post to this newsgroup. Unlike them, this person is actually in a
position to use tax dollars to promote his brand of Christianity. He
has the power to insure that his brand of Christianity is being
promoted on U.S. public property for many years to come. Why would
people who are threats in their words only, be worthy of your time,
and not someone who is in the position to act on their threats?
Because some Christians reading posts of atheists have modified, or
even given up, their stance wrt religion.
This guy is appointed by the governor of Texas, or elected by its
people, so how would my input change him? I'm not a Texan. What I
say probably wouldn't even get to him - he has staff to keep him from
"wasting his time" on unimportant things - like the opinion of a New
Yorker.
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rukbat at verizon dot net
"He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him, the
spinal cord would fully suffice."
- Albert Einstein
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
27 Feb 2005 12:07:25 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:27:26 -0600, mgibson <mgibson@nosp.no> wrote:
State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
How do you force agnosticism on someone? Do you designate a space on
public land where the Ten Commandments will not be displayed? In
order to avoid promoting the religion of agnosticism, is it necessary
to post the 10Cs on every available public surface?
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
01 Mar 2005 06:14:06 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:07:25 GMT, satyr <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org>
wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:27:26 -0600, mgibson <mgibson@nosp.no> wrote:
State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
How do you force agnosticism on someone? Do you designate a space on
public land where the Ten Commandments will not be displayed? In
order to avoid promoting the religion of agnosticism, is it necessary
to post the 10Cs on every available public surface?
/fundy moron like the TX AG.
Yes.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "LP" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
26 Feb 2005 10:53:03 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:27:26 -0600, mgibson <mgibson@nosp.no> wrote:
Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments
AUSTIN, Texas - A homeless man who sued the state to remove a Ten
Commandments monument from the Capitol grounds in Austin has argued
the case in front of a federal judge and an appeals court.
But the former lawyer will step aside Wednesday, when Duke University
law professor and First Amendment scholar Erwin Chemerinsky argues the
case in front of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Thomas Van Orden isn't even sure if he'll make the trip to hear the
arguments. It takes money to go to Washington, Orden says.
The high court will consider whether the six-foot granite monument _
bearing the words "I am the Lord they God" _ and two similar displays
at Kentucky courthouses constitute unconstitutional government
establishment of religion.
Many conservatives warn that if the states lose, the ruling would
force the removal of similar objects from memorials and public spaces
across America.
Derided by some as an atheist, Van Orden says he's simply "not
religious," despite growing up Methodist. He says he didn't sue
religion. He sued the government to uphold the principles of the First
Amendment.
State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
You can write to the idiot at this address:
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/agency/contacts.shtml
By U.S. Mail:
Office of the Attorney General
PO Box 12548
Austin, TX 78711-2548
Physical Address:
Office of the Attorney General
300 W. 15th Street
Austin, TX 78701
E-mail for Attorney General Greg Abbott:
greg.abbott@oag.state.tx.us
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On the Net:
Supreme Court docket: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/03-1500.htm
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
26 Feb 2005 05:57:20 PM |
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mgibson <mgibson@nosp.no> writes:
Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments
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State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
Gee, the only way the high court could do THAT is by forcing the
erection of a government display espousing agnosticism; THIS court
case happens to be about REMOVING a government display espousing
Abrahamic monotheism. So if the Attorney General wasn't such an
idiot, he'd be against government displays espousing either religious
view. But he's an idiot.
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Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments |
27 Feb 2005 06:57:54 PM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:42210ce0$0$44642$a1866201@visi.com...
mgibson <mgibson@nosp.no> writes:
Homeless man brings landmark case in fight over Commandments
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State Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Catholic who keeps a photograph
in his office showing him meeting the Pope, will defend the Texas
monument. He says he hopes the high court won't force agnosticism upon
Texans or other Americans.
Gee, the only way the high court could do THAT is by forcing the
erection of a government display espousing agnosticism; THIS court
case happens to be about REMOVING a government display espousing
Abrahamic monotheism. So if the Attorney General wasn't such an
idiot, he'd be against government displays espousing either religious
view. But he's an idiot.
Also there's no constitutional prohibition against the state establishment
of agnosticism.
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