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"GODS CREATOR!" |
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26 Jun 2004 03:40:20 AM |
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HOMOPHOBIC SOLDIERS AT IRAQ PRISON |
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
By Mike Leary
Sun National Staff
Originally published June 25, 2004
Col. Thomas M. Pappas, the commander of military intelligence
at Abu Ghraib prison, exclaimed, *"I'm not going down alone for this"*,
He then participated in a cover-up after a prisoner died from a
blow to the head during interrogation last December, according to
vivid and dramatic testimony yesterday before an Army court in Baghdad.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/iraq/bal-te.prison25jun25,0,7815278.story?coll=bal-iraq-headlines
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GOD'S CREATOR ( My only sin... )
Wise men study the unknown, and boldly seeks answers !
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
Today's Terrorists News:
http://www.antiwar.com/
Today's U.S. Terrorists:
http://www.dbr.nu/noin/rogues.html
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| User: "BigRedWingsFan" |
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26 Jun 2004 01:47:50 PM |
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<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
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: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:42:20 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net>
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: >Geezus H. Keeryste on a friggin' crutch, *****, shut the ***** up. Sleep
: >deprivation, being locked up naked, forced to stand in odd and
uncomfortable
: >positions, and maybe even being hooded to boot, are not, repeat, NOT
forms
: >of torture. They may be a form of humiliation, but they are not torture.
: >Get over it, you whiny, little child.
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: Moron, you're leaving out the raping and killing.
And just when did this happen to the Ukrainians, fucktard?
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: According to the Geneva conventions, all that stuff is torture.
: There's a good reason Bush is now getting protested when he
: goes abroad.
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: Why don't you go volunteer to be on of those "test" soldiers
: and see how you like it?
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26 Jun 2004 02:52:51 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:47:50 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
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: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:42:20 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net>
: wrote:
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: >Geezus H. Keeryste on a friggin' crutch, *****, shut the ***** up. Sleep
: >deprivation, being locked up naked, forced to stand in odd and
uncomfortable
: >positions, and maybe even being hooded to boot, are not, repeat, NOT
forms
: >of torture. They may be a form of humiliation, but they are not torture.
: >Get over it, you whiny, little child.
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: Moron, you're leaving out the raping and killing.
And just when did this happen to the Ukrainians, fucktard?
I was referring to things they've done to other prisoners, as I
assumed you were as well, when you added in the bit about
being forced to stand in odd and uncomfortable positions,
which was not mentioned in that article.
However, I can see that you don;t have much capability for
logical thought or reasonable discussion.
I also see that you have no reply to my statement that all these thing
s are against the geneva convention. That's because it's true, and
you have no good response.
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| User: "Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: More facts of torture at Abu Ghraib |
26 Jun 2004 03:05:09 PM |
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<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:42:20 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
Geezus H. Keeryste on a friggin' crutch, *****, shut the ***** up. Sleep
deprivation, being locked up naked, forced to stand in odd and
uncomfortable
positions, and maybe even being hooded to boot, are not, repeat, NOT
forms
of torture. They may be a form of humiliation, but they are not torture.
Get over it, you whiny, little child.
Moron, you're leaving out the raping and killing.
According to the Geneva conventions, all that stuff is torture.
There's a good reason Bush is now getting protested when he
goes abroad.
Why don't you go volunteer to be on of those "test" soldiers
and see how you like it?
I'm curious if we have any reasonable estimates for plotting numbers of
rapes and murders in Iraq over time, say the past 5 years. Should be a
relatively simple pair of plots.
Harvey
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| User: "" |
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26 Jun 2004 04:03:23 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:05:09 -0700, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
I'm curious if we have any reasonable estimates for plotting numbers of
rapes and murders in Iraq over time, say the past 5 years. Should be a
relatively simple pair of plots.
why, do you want to compare US rapes and murders in abu ghraib
with those of Saddma Hussen? I don;t think I've heard of rapes under
Hussein, but lot s of torture yes.
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| User: "Harvey" |
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26 Jun 2004 05:23:30 PM |
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<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:05:09 -0700, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
I'm curious if we have any reasonable estimates for plotting numbers of
rapes and murders in Iraq over time, say the past 5 years. Should be a
relatively simple pair of plots.
why, do you want to compare US rapes and murders in abu ghraib
with those of Saddma Hussen? I don;t think I've heard of rapes under
Hussein, but lot s of torture yes.
Absolutely I want to compare. You should, too. And there's no question of
rapes under Hussein. Spend five minutes with Google, or go to the
International Federation of Human Rights, or Amnesty International. I've
copied a couple of examples below.
The problem is statistics prior to the invasion.
Harvey
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http://www.fidh.org/magmoyen/rapport/2002/iq315a.pdf
All the witnesses who had been arrested, some of them more
than once, report in every case that they were tortured like
the other people held at the same time, starting from the end
of the 1970s. It would appear, therefore, that the torture of
prisoners not only has not stopped during all that time, but
involves extreme violence including towards minors, whatever
the sex of the victim. The methods used are various: blows
particularly to the soles of the feet, electric torture, burns,
isolation, rape, extraction of nails, etc.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140082001?open&of=ENG-IRQ
"Some women have been raped in custody. They were detained and tortured
because they were relatives of well known Iraqi opposition activists living
abroad. The security authorities use this method to put pressure on Iraqi
nationals abroad to cease their activities. For example, on 7 June 2000
Najib al-Salihi, a former army general who fled Iraq in 1995 and joined the
Iraqi opposition, was sent a videotape showing the rape of a female
relative. Shortly afterwards he reportedly received a telephone call from
the Iraqi intelligence service, asking him whether he had received the
''gift'' and informing him that his relative was in their custody."
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| User: "" |
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26 Jun 2004 06:33:04 PM |
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Absolutely I want to compare. You should, too. And there's no question of
rapes under Hussein. Spend five minutes with Google, or go to the
International Federation of Human Rights, or Amnesty International. I've
copied a couple of examples below.
thanks for the links!
The problem is statistics prior to the invasion.
yeah, that's difficult.
Harvey
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http://www.fidh.org/magmoyen/rapport/2002/iq315a.pdf
All the witnesses who had been arrested, some of them more
than once, report in every case that they were tortured like
the other people held at the same time, starting from the end
of the 1970s. It would appear, therefore, that the torture of
prisoners not only has not stopped during all that time, but
involves extreme violence including towards minors, whatever
the sex of the victim. The methods used are various: blows
particularly to the soles of the feet, electric torture, burns,
isolation, rape, extraction of nails, etc.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140082001?open&of=ENG-IRQ
"Some women have been raped in custody. They were detained and tortured
because they were relatives of well known Iraqi opposition activists living
abroad. The security authorities use this method to put pressure on Iraqi
nationals abroad to cease their activities. For example, on 7 June 2000
Najib al-Salihi, a former army general who fled Iraq in 1995 and joined the
Iraqi opposition, was sent a videotape showing the rape of a female
relative. Shortly afterwards he reportedly received a telephone call from
the Iraqi intelligence service, asking him whether he had received the
''gift'' and informing him that his relative was in their custody."
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| User: "Harvey" |
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26 Jun 2004 06:51:52 PM |
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<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
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Absolutely I want to compare. You should, too. And there's no question of
rapes under Hussein. Spend five minutes with Google, or go to the
International Federation of Human Rights, or Amnesty International. I've
copied a couple of examples below.
thanks for the links!
The problem is statistics prior to the invasion.
yeah, that's difficult.
Of course. But there can't be much question the plots of whatever atrocity
you care to mention over time are going to look something like this:
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invasion
If you're graphing civilian deaths and maimings, i.e. "collateral damage,"
toss in a blip at the time of invasion if you wish.
Harvey
Harvey
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http://www.fidh.org/magmoyen/rapport/2002/iq315a.pdf
All the witnesses who had been arrested, some of them more
than once, report in every case that they were tortured like
the other people held at the same time, starting from the end
of the 1970s. It would appear, therefore, that the torture of
prisoners not only has not stopped during all that time, but
involves extreme violence including towards minors, whatever
the sex of the victim. The methods used are various: blows
particularly to the soles of the feet, electric torture, burns,
isolation, rape, extraction of nails, etc.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140082001?open&of=ENG-IRQ
"Some women have been raped in custody. They were detained and tortured
because they were relatives of well known Iraqi opposition activists
living
abroad. The security authorities use this method to put pressure on Iraqi
nationals abroad to cease their activities. For example, on 7 June 2000
Najib al-Salihi, a former army general who fled Iraq in 1995 and joined
the
Iraqi opposition, was sent a videotape showing the rape of a female
relative. Shortly afterwards he reportedly received a telephone call from
the Iraqi intelligence service, asking him whether he had received the
''gift'' and informing him that his relative was in their custody."
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 04:58:08 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:03:23 -0700, wrote:
I don;t think I've heard of rapes under
Hussein, but lot s of torture yes.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/World/saddam_son_030214.html
Rape Called a ‘Hobby’
When it comes to women, Odai's behavior is reputed to be even more
dangerous.
"Raping is one of his, let me say, hobbies," said Janabi, Odai's
former press secretary. "I am not exaggerating."
Janabi, who defected in 1998, says he witnessed Odai committing
numerous rapes.
According to Janabi, Odai's rape victims were as young as 12 and
powerless to resist him. After a visiting Russian ballerina resisted
Odai's advances in 1994, Odai had his men secretly film her making
love with her trainer, Janabi said, then invited her to a party and
told her he had a surprise. "He showed her the film. And he raped her
after that." said Janabi.
Latif Yahia, who for years served as Odai's security double, says Odai
found violence sexually exciting. "He loves to hear the woman scream.
… He loves the rape. … He's a sadist."
Yahia described, in detail, nighttime scenes in Baghdad of group sex
and violent acts. He said he once saw Odai beat and rape a pregnant
woman. "Odai, he can't sleep with a woman if he don't hit her and see
the blood coming out of her," he said.
Yahia, who wore the same French suits and aftershave as his boss to
fool potential attackers, admits that he sometimes took advantage of
his assumed status and had women brought to him.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:07:55 AM |
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lessee, let's not talk aout what we did, only aobut what they did.
yeah, that's it, take the attention off of us, or what we can do
about it, and point at a dead guy.
It not us, it's them.. It;s not me, I'm fine, it's the other guy.
typical dysfunctional thinking pattern. You have no idea how common
it is. That means you are not unique, babee.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:21:02 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:07:55 -0700, wrote:
lessee, let's not talk aout what we did, only aobut what they did.
yeah, that's it, take the attention off of us, or what we can do
about it, and point at a dead guy.
It not us, it's them.. It;s not me, I'm fine, it's the other guy.
I am sure rape is acceptable to you. To most people it is not.
There is zero proof of any US soldier raping anyone in Iraq.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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27 Jun 2004 07:04:57 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:21:02 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:07:55 -0700, wrote:
lessee, let's not talk aout what we did, only aobut what they did.
yeah, that's it, take the attention off of us, or what we can do
about it, and point at a dead guy.
It not us, it's them.. It;s not me, I'm fine, it's the other guy.
I am sure rape is acceptable to you. To most people it is not.
So you are not most people, for you have approved of rape and torture
in many postings.
There is zero proof of any US soldier raping anyone in Iraq.
Then you should follow the news better.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 11:10:09 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:21:02 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:07:55 -0700, wrote:
lessee, let's not talk aout what we did, only aobut what they did.
yeah, that's it, take the attention off of us, or what we can do
about it, and point at a dead guy.
It not us, it's them.. It;s not me, I'm fine, it's the other guy.
I am sure rape is acceptable to you. To most people it is not.
Straw man argument. logical error.
There is zero proof of any US soldier raping anyone in Iraq.
Incorrect. There's enough proof to cause investigations by Congress.
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| User: "BigRedWingsFan" |
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27 Jun 2004 11:13:02 AM |
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<> wrote in message
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: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:21:02 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
: <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
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: >On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:07:55 -0700, wrote:
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: >>lessee, let's not talk aout what we did, only aobut what they did.
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: >>yeah, that's it, take the attention off of us, or what we can do
: >>about it, and point at a dead guy.
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: >>It not us, it's them.. It;s not me, I'm fine, it's the other guy.
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: >I am sure rape is acceptable to you. To most people it is not.
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: Straw man argument. logical error.
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: >There is zero proof of any US soldier raping anyone in Iraq.
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: Incorrect. There's enough proof to cause investigations by Congress.
Cite? The only rape I have ever seen reported or alleged is one where Iraqi
prisoners raped one of their own, a younger prisoner, while guards allegedly
stood by.
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| User: "sanjian" |
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27 Jun 2004 07:32:23 PM |
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BigRedWingsFan wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:r7std0930hb8mf8bg5jgehlj170hh7c38b@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:21:02 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:07:55 -0700, wrote:
lessee, let's not talk aout what we did, only aobut what they did.
yeah, that's it, take the attention off of us, or what we can do
about it, and point at a dead guy.
It not us, it's them.. It;s not me, I'm fine, it's the other guy.
I am sure rape is acceptable to you. To most people it is not.
Straw man argument. logical error.
There is zero proof of any US soldier raping anyone in Iraq.
Incorrect. There's enough proof to cause investigations by Congress.
Cite? The only rape I have ever seen reported or alleged is one
where Iraqi prisoners raped one of their own, a younger prisoner,
while guards allegedly stood by.
Actually, saddly, it's the real shiznit. Whoever is responsible is going to
find himself in a whole world of hurt, and we know how well rapists do in
prison.
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27 Jun 2004 04:29:16 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:13:02 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net>
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Cite? The only rape I have ever seen reported or alleged is one where Iraqi
prisoners raped one of their own, a younger prisoner, while guards allegedly
stood by.
Ok , for the very ignorant who don't know how to type: rape at abu
ghraib in into google.com, and don't read the news, here ya go:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0421/mondo2.php
Mondo Washington
by James Ridgeway
Rape at Abu Ghraib
'We have daughters, husbands. For god's sake don't tell anyone.'
May 25th, 2004 12:00 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2q6lg
New Abuse Charges
Classified reports point to mistreatment of female detainees
By VIVECA NOVAK AND DOUGLAS WALLER
http://tinyurl.com/2gzer
Rueful Rumsfeld: `Cruel' truth hurts: Rape and murder feared in Iraq
abuse
By Noelle Straub
Saturday, May 8, 2004
http://aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women
by US Occupation Forces
http://tinyurl.com/ysbjz
Focus shifts to jail abuse of women
Luke Harding in Baghdad
Wednesday May 12, 2004
The Guardian
I suggest both you and this mange person learn how to do the most
basic of internet research, and start reading the news before you post
on here.
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| User: "BigRedWingsFan" |
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27 Jun 2004 05:19:33 PM |
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<tracym@askme.net> wrote in message
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: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:13:02 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net>
: wrote:
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: >Cite? The only rape I have ever seen reported or alleged is one where
Iraqi
: >prisoners raped one of their own, a younger prisoner, while guards
allegedly
: >stood by.
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: Ok , for the very ignorant who don't know how to type: rape at abu
: ghraib in into google.com, and don't read the news, here ya go:
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: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0421/mondo2.php
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: Mondo Washington
: by James Ridgeway
: Rape at Abu Ghraib
: 'We have daughters, husbands. For god's sake don't tell anyone.'
: May 25th, 2004 12:00 PM
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: http://tinyurl.com/2q6lg
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: New Abuse Charges
: Classified reports point to mistreatment of female detainees
: By VIVECA NOVAK AND DOUGLAS WALLER
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: http://tinyurl.com/2gzer
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: Rueful Rumsfeld: `Cruel' truth hurts: Rape and murder feared in Iraq
: abuse
: By Noelle Straub
: Saturday, May 8, 2004
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: http://aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
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: Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women
: by US Occupation Forces
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: http://tinyurl.com/ysbjz
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: Focus shifts to jail abuse of women
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: Luke Harding in Baghdad
: Wednesday May 12, 2004
: The Guardian
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: I suggest both you and this mange person learn how to do the most
: basic of internet research, and start reading the news before you post
: on here.
You *did* know that those pictures you have cited were discredited, didn't
you? Did you even read them? Perhaps you should go back to See ***** Run
books. You couldn't find one credible source could you? Didn't think so.
Thanks for playing, we have some fine parting gifts for you.
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27 Jun 2004 06:12:39 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:19:33 -0500, "BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net>
wrote:
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: I suggest both you and this mange person learn how to do the most
: basic of internet research, and start reading the news before you post
: on here.
You *did* know that those pictures you have cited were discredited, didn't
you? Did you even read them?
If they are discredited, fine. Doesn't change the other evidence.
Perhaps you should go back to See ***** Run
books. You couldn't find one credible source could you? Didn't think so.
Time magazine is not credible? Right.
New Abuse Charges
Classified reports point to mistreatment of female detainees
By VIVECA NOVAK AND DOUGLAS WALLER
Sunday, Jun. 20, 2004
Could the abuse of prisoners in Iraq have gone beyond the beatings and
sexual humiliation already alleged? Unreleased, classified parts of
the report on prison abuse from Major General Anthony Taguba, which
were read to TIME, contain indications of mistreatment of female
prisoners. In a Feb. 21 statement to Taguba, Lieut. Colonel Steven L.
Jordan, former head of the Abu Ghraib interrogation center, said he
had received reports "that there were members of the MI [Military
Intelligence] community that had come over and done a late-night
interrogation of two female detainees" last October. According to a
statement by Jordan's boss, Colonel Thomas Pappas, three interrogators
were later cited for violations of military law in their handling of
the two females, ages 17 and 18. Senate Armed Services Committee
investigators are probing whether the two women were sexually abused.
The Pentagon declined to comment.
Meanwhile, a class action filed in California on behalf of former
detainees raises the specter of brutal physical abuse. One plaintiff,
identified only as Neisef, claims that after he was taken from his
home on the outskirts of Baghdad last November and sent to Abu Ghraib,
Americans made him disrobe and attached electrical wires to his
genitals. He claims he was shocked three times. Although a vein in his
penis ruptured and he had blood in his urine, he says, he was refused
medical attention. In another session, Neisef claims, he was held down
by two men while a uniformed woman forced him to have sex with her. "I
was crying," said Neisef, 28. "I felt like my whole manhood was gone."
The class action also claims that detainees were raped in prison. On
June 6, Neisef was released, after a U.S. civilian told him, he says,
that he had been wrongly accused by informants. A U.S. military
spokesman in Baghdad confirms that a prisoner with Neisef's ID number
was released on that date, and TIME has obtained a copy of his release
order. But the Pentagon would not comment on the specifics of Neisef's
account.
Thanks for playing, we have some fine parting gifts for you.
You demand I provide evidence, provide none of of your own,
and blithley pretend that credible sources such as time magazine
are not. This is why it's not worth it to provide proof to
jackoffs.
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27 Jun 2004 07:13:59 PM |
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Oh, also:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2100014/
Rape Rooms: A Chronology
What Bush said as the Iraq prison scandal unfolded.
By William Saletan
Updated Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 7:54 PM PT
(and I quote): LOOK SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LETTER K!
"[B]etween October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement
Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton
criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and
illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several
members of the military police guard force. … The allegations of abuse
were substantiated by detailed witness statements (ANNEX 26) and the
discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence. … I find that
the intentional abuse of detainees by military police personnel
included the following acts:
a. Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked
feet;
b. Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;
c. Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions
for photographing;
d. Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked
for several days at a time;
e. Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's underwear;
f. Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while
being photographed and videotaped;
g. Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;
h. Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his
head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate
electric torture; …
j. Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee's neck and
having a female soldier pose for a picture;
k. A MALE MP GUARD HAVING SEX WITH A FEMALE DETAINEE;
l. Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and
frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely
injuring a detainee …
These findings are amply supported by written confessions provided by
several of the suspects, written statements provided by detainees, and
witness statements. …
In addition, several detainees also described the following acts of
abuse, which under the circumstances, I find credible based on the
clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other
witnesses (ANNEX 26):
a. Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on
detainees;
b. Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;
c. Pouring cold water on naked detainees;
d. Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;
e. Threatening male detainees with rape; …
g. Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom
stick."
—Executive summary of Taguba report, finalized Feb. 29, 2004, briefed
to superiors on March 3, 2004, and submitted in final form on March 9,
2004
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Now, do you think that female detainee was having sex with the guard
voluntarily? I don't THINK so!
I'd say you are theone that needs to back to first grade.
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27 Jun 2004 09:23:30 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:13:59 -0700, wrote:
k. A MALE MP GUARD HAVING SEX WITH A FEMALE DETAINEE;
Not ONE mention of rape.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:07:34 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:23:30 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:13:59 -0700, wrote:
k. A MALE MP GUARD HAVING SEX WITH A FEMALE DETAINEE;
Not ONE mention of rape.
Well, Clinton didn't really have sex with interns, did he?
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 09:22:59 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:12:39 -0700, wrote:
New Abuse Charges
Classified reports point to mistreatment of female detainees
By VIVECA NOVAK AND DOUGLAS WALLER
Not ONE mention of rape.
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| User: "George L. Winn!!" |
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26 Jun 2004 06:30:08 PM |
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wrote in message news:<n28rd05k48k2mqde24daa83b3036iqep37@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:22:44 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:12:05 GMT, "Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.us> wrote:
Mazurenko and Soshchenko reportedly claimed that while in Abu Ghraib they
were frequently "subjected to sleep deprivation, kept naked for hours and
hooded," Karpachova told a news conference.
How terrible!!! At lest the 3,000 killed on 9/11 got a good rest
before they were burned to death!
What the hell does that mean? Are you insane?
Also, so are you saying you think it's ok to torture some Ukranians
because Osama Bin Laden caused 3,000 US peopel to die?
You don't deserve freedom; you have no brain. The sad thing
is people like you are going to destroy it for the rest of us.
psychopathic troll.
Uh, no sir, that's not what the poster's saying at all, but it is the
phony claim you leftist frauds make every time we suggest you acquire
a sense of proportion and properly judge degrees of evil. I will also
note for your edification, sir, that Pearle, Berg, Johnson and that
poor South Korean would have prayed to God that all those murderous
barbarians had planned to do to them was put panties on their heads.
Even panties with feces and urine dripping from them. Even if they had
to eat that ***** and drink that urine in those panties. Even if they
had to have their hands cut off and put in those panties, sir! Is that
clear enough for you, you brain-dead, morally upside down leftist
twit? THAT'S what he's talking about. Get it, Twinky?????
George L. Winn
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| User: "" |
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26 Jun 2004 08:33:28 PM |
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On 26 Jun 2004 16:30:08 -0700, (George
L. Winn!!) wrote:
Uh, no sir, that's not what the poster's saying at all, but it is the
phony claim you leftist frauds make every time we suggest you acquire
a sense of proportion and properly judge degrees of evil. I will also
note for your edification, sir, that Pearle, Berg, Johnson and that
poor South Korean would have prayed to God that all those murderous
barbarians had planned to do to them was put panties on their heads.
Even panties with feces and urine dripping from them. Even if they had
to eat that ***** and drink that urine in those panties. Even if they
had to have their hands cut off and put in those panties, sir! Is that
clear enough for you, you brain-dead, morally upside down leftist
twit? THAT'S what he's talking about. Get it, Twinky?????
Boy what a gutter mind. Get a sense of perspective right here:
Putting underwear on prisoner's heads was probably the least offensive
that happenewd there. Now, why did you pick that particular example,
and leave out the rapes, murders, torture, dog bites, and etc? I'd
say it's because you are puttiong forth what only fit your own minimal
viewpoint on it, and you don't want to think about the rest.
It looks to me that like a small child , you can only see what others
do to you ( or the US as a nation) and don;t have much awareness
about what you ( or the US as a nation), does to others.
For example, a small child bites another child. The biter does not
have any awareness, and doesn't care, that it hurt the other child.
But then the bitten child bites back, and then the first child knows
what it's like, but he's still not mentally mature enough to make the
conenction: oh, I bit him, and this is what it felt like for him.
Nope that is not how it works ,until the parent comes in and teaches
him about it. This the lowest level of human nature.
Now, I don't condone the beheadings, but I do have a sense
of perspective about it. The beheadings did not happen unitl
*after* knowledge of the toruture at Abu Ghraib became public
knowledge. So what is the answer: to keep the torture at
Abu Ghraib secret, as Rumsfeld wanted, or to stop it and actually
start doing a better job helping those people rebuild their country,
and get out of there?
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26 Jun 2004 03:54:33 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:15:38 -0700, wrote:
What the hell does that mean? Are you insane?
Also, so are you saying you think it's ok to torture some Ukranians
because Osama Bin Laden caused 3,000 US peopel to die?
No. What I am saying is that YOU are more outraged about acceptable
methods of interrorgation than you are about 3,000 American men, women
and children being murdered. That should be your outrage and not
supporting convicted felons.
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| User: "sanjian" |
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26 Jun 2004 04:07:16 PM |
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wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:15:38 -0700, wrote:
What the hell does that mean? Are you insane?
Also, so are you saying you think it's ok to torture some Ukranians
because Osama Bin Laden caused 3,000 US peopel to die?
No. What I am saying is that YOU are more outraged about acceptable
methods of interrorgation than you are about 3,000 American men, women
and children being murdered. That should be your outrage and not
supporting convicted felons.
To be fair, 9/11 was three years ago. It's kind of difficult to maintain
outrage that long. Eventually, it just settles into a knowledge that the
bastards need to die, and that's that.
Keeping outrage for three years is a good way to get an ulcer, and then the
terrorists win.
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| User: "la n." |
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26 Jun 2004 04:38:25 PM |
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"sanjian" <sanjian@widomaker.com> wrote in message
news:aAlDc.9442$rf7.5389@lakeread02...
mange@merde.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:15:38 -0700, wrote:
What the hell does that mean? Are you insane?
Also, so are you saying you think it's ok to torture some Ukranians
because Osama Bin Laden caused 3,000 US peopel to die?
No. What I am saying is that YOU are more outraged about acceptable
methods of interrorgation than you are about 3,000 American men, women
and children being murdered. That should be your outrage and not
supporting convicted felons.
To be fair, 9/11 was three years ago. It's kind of difficult to maintain
outrage that long. Eventually, it just settles into a knowledge that the
bastards need to die, and that's that.
Keeping outrage for three years is a good way to get an ulcer, and then
the
terrorists win.
Geeze, good point, Squid.
- nilita
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| User: "sanjian" |
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26 Jun 2004 06:41:56 PM |
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la n. wrote:
"sanjian" <sanjian@widomaker.com> wrote in message
news:aAlDc.9442$rf7.5389@lakeread02...
mange@merde.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:15:38 -0700, wrote:
What the hell does that mean? Are you insane?
Also, so are you saying you think it's ok to torture some Ukranians
because Osama Bin Laden caused 3,000 US peopel to die?
No. What I am saying is that YOU are more outraged about acceptable
methods of interrorgation than you are about 3,000 American men,
women and children being murdered. That should be your outrage and
not supporting convicted felons.
To be fair, 9/11 was three years ago. It's kind of difficult to
maintain outrage that long. Eventually, it just settles into a
knowledge that the bastards need to die, and that's that.
Keeping outrage for three years is a good way to get an ulcer, and
then the terrorists win.
Geeze, good point, Squid.
I'm a right-wing partisan, but I've arrived at that position by a careful
review of the evidence before me. For that reason, I don't like when people
(on either side, but -especially- those on my side) go off on a wild tangent
or make statements that make no sense... I know I'll be judged by what they
say.
When I was in training, there used to be an initialization that they would
put on our test questions, sometimes. RAWR - Right Answer Wrong Reason.
Needless to say, that would get fewer points than having the wrong answer
but the right reasons (usually as ECF - Error Carried Forward).
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| User: "" |
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26 Jun 2004 04:25:19 PM |
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And furthermore, if you so much in favor of what Bush's administration
is doing in abu ghraib, and so much against the attacks on the wtc
by 2 airplanes, then let me ask you this:
Why did Bush ignore all the warnings about Bin Laden? He ignored
the verbal warinig by Clinton, by his staff, he ignored the info his
own staff gave him in the summer of 2001.
Knowing that Bush ignored the warnings, and being against what
happened to the wtc as a result of that lack of care, then you could
not logically continue to support Bush, now could you?
Come on, you can do it - stand up and shout it out:
I am not logical!
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| User: "sanjian" |
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26 Jun 2004 06:34:56 PM |
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wrote:
And furthermore, if you so much in favor of what Bush's administration
is doing in abu ghraib, and so much against the attacks on the wtc
by 2 airplanes, then let me ask you this:
Why did Bush ignore all the warnings about Bin Laden? He ignored
the verbal warinig by Clinton, by his staff, he ignored the info his
own staff gave him in the summer of 2001.
Knowing that Bush ignored the warnings, and being against what
happened to the wtc as a result of that lack of care, then you could
not logically continue to support Bush, now could you?
You complain that Bush ignored the warnings (nebulous as they were) that
Clinton gave him about Al Qaeda, but then complain when he follows up on all
the warnings given to him about Saddam. Could it be that you substitute
partisanship for good judgment? Sounds like it to me.
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| User: "" |
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26 Jun 2004 08:22:19 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:34:56 -0400, "sanjian" <sanjian@widomaker.com>
wrote:
You complain that Bush ignored the warnings (nebulous as they were) that
Clinton gave him about Al Qaeda, but then complain when he follows up on all
the warnings given to him about Saddam. Could it be that you substitute
partisanship for good judgment? Sounds like it to me.
Where did I complain that Bush follows up on (the fake) warnings
given to him about Saddam? I didn't.
Keep it straight, mentally straight, all the time.
Are you possibly thinking that my criticizing the Bush Admin over
Abu Ghraib is equivalent to Bush somehow taking action against
Saddam, and that is what my criticism is? Boy, that's a queer bit of
twisted and incorrect thinking.
Please, don't give me that: "Oh you're so partisan " *****.
I used to be a republican, long ago. I see this game for what
it is, and they now have people wringing their hands all over
the place, quaking in their boots and saying: "oh we didn't mean to
be partisan, really we didn't." heh. It's a big manipulative game.
So, if you want to take my good judgement out for a spin, I'm game.
Let's do it. expect me to take yours out for a spin at the same time
though. I will point out all your debate tactics and logical errors.
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