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"GODS CREATOR!" |
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26 Jun 2004 03:40:20 AM |
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HOMOPHOBIC SOLDIERS AT IRAQ PRISON |
Thus Spake God's Creator; (I don't forgive *****!)
By Mike Leary
Sun National Staff
Originally published June 25, 2004
Col. Thomas M. Pappas, the commander of military intelligence
at Abu Ghraib prison, exclaimed, *"I'm not going down alone for this"*,
He then participated in a cover-up after a prisoner died from a
blow to the head during interrogation last December, according to
vivid and dramatic testimony yesterday before an Army court in Baghdad.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/iraq/bal-te.prison25jun25,0,7815278.story?coll=bal-iraq-headlines
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GOD'S CREATOR ( My only sin... )
Wise men study the unknown, and boldly seeks answers !
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
Today's Terrorists News:
http://www.antiwar.com/
Today's U.S. Terrorists:
http://www.dbr.nu/noin/rogues.html
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26 Jun 2004 08:12:05 AM |
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SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
Thursday, June 24, 2004 · Last updated 6:50 p.m. PT
Ukraine seamen detail Iraq prison torture
By NATASHA LISOVA
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
KIEV, Ukraine -- Two Ukrainian merchant seamen, who ended up in Abu Ghraib
prison after being arrested in August, were kept naked and hooded for hours
during their 10 months imprisonment, a top human rights official said
Thursday.
Nina Karpachova, Ukraine's ombudsman for human rights, refused to specify
whether American troops were involved in the alleged torture, but said, "we
know who was in charge of Abu Ghraib." The American-run prison is at the
center of allegations that coalition forces in Iraq have abused prisoners.
Tanker M/V Navstar captain Mykola Mazurenko and first mate Ivan Soshchenko
were arrested in August by the British navy in the port of Umm Qasr for
alleged oil smuggling and sentenced to seven years in prison by an Iraqi
court. The two were extradited recently on condition they serve the rest of
their sentence at home.
Mazurenko and Soshchenko reportedly claimed that while in Abu Ghraib they
were frequently "subjected to sleep deprivation, kept naked for hours and
hooded," Karpachova told a news conference.
Prisoners were often "gassed with tear gas" and forced to "lick food
straight from the floor," Karpachova said, citing letters she recently
received from the seamen. Karpachova said the two "are in serious health
condition."
Markiyan Lubkivskiy, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, said the seamen's claims
would be investigated and "if it is true ... we will raise the case to the
international level and do everything to protect the rights of our citizens
including financial compensation."
He said Mazurenko and Soshchenko "did not inform Ukrainian diplomats in Iraq
about alleged mistreatment" at Abu Ghraib.
In Baghdad, Lt. Col. Barry Johnson said the U.S. military "will investigate
any and all formal complaints by both current and former detainees."
Six American soldiers accused of torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib face
military trial in Baghdad.
Ukraine has the fourth largest non-U.S. contingent in Iraq. Some 1,650
Ukrainian troops are serving in the Polish-led force patrolling southern
Iraq. Six Ukrainian soldiers have been killed, three of them in combat. Two
of the combat deaths came last month.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer/ap.asp?category=1103&slug=Ukraine%20Iraq%20Abuse
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26 Jun 2004 09:51:29 AM |
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KEY facts that Weaken their Charges:
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"He said Mazurenko and Soshchenko "Did NOT inform Ukrainian diplomats
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in Iraq about alleged mistreatment" at Abu Ghraib."
" In Baghdad, Lt. Col. Barry Johnson said the U.S. military "will
investigate
any and all formal complaints by both current and former detainees."
Truth here remaims to be determined!
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Avanti_Ken
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"Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.us> wrote in message news:
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
Thursday, June 24, 2004 · Last updated 6:50 p.m. PT
Ukraine seamen detail Iraq prison torture
By NATASHA LISOVA
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
KIEV, Ukraine -- Two Ukrainian merchant seamen, who ended up in Abu Ghraib
prison after being arrested in August, were kept naked and hooded for
hours
during their 10 months imprisonment, a top human rights official said
Thursday.
Nina Karpachova, Ukraine's ombudsman for human rights, refused to specify
whether American troops were involved in the alleged torture, but said,
"we
know who was in charge of Abu Ghraib." The American-run prison is at the
center of allegations that coalition forces in Iraq have abused prisoners.
Tanker M/V Navstar captain Mykola Mazurenko and first mate Ivan Soshchenko
were arrested in August by the British navy in the port of Umm Qasr for
alleged oil smuggling and sentenced to seven years in prison by an Iraqi
court. The two were extradited recently on condition they serve the rest
of
their sentence at home.
Mazurenko and Soshchenko reportedly claimed that while in Abu Ghraib they
were frequently "subjected to sleep deprivation, kept naked for hours and
hooded," Karpachova told a news conference.
Prisoners were often "gassed with tear gas" and forced to "lick food
straight from the floor," Karpachova said, citing letters she recently
received from the seamen. Karpachova said the two "are in serious health
condition."
Markiyan Lubkivskiy, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, said the seamen's
claims
would be investigated and "if it is true ... we will raise the case to the
international level and do everything to protect the rights of our
citizens
including financial compensation."
He said Mazurenko and Soshchenko "did not inform Ukrainian diplomats in
Iraq
about alleged mistreatment" at Abu Ghraib.
In Baghdad, Lt. Col. Barry Johnson said the U.S. military "will
investigate
any and all formal complaints by both current and former detainees."
Six American soldiers accused of torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib face
military trial in Baghdad.
Ukraine has the fourth largest non-U.S. contingent in Iraq. Some 1,650
Ukrainian troops are serving in the Polish-led force patrolling southern
Iraq. Six Ukrainian soldiers have been killed, three of them in combat.
Two
of the combat deaths came last month.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/printer/ap.asp?category=1103&slug=Ukraine%20Iraq%20Abuse
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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26 Jun 2004 05:29:59 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:12:05 GMT, "Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.us>
thought hard and said:
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
Thursday, June 24, 2004 · Last updated 6:50 p.m. PT
Ukraine seamen detail Iraq prison torture
By NATASHA LISOVA
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
KIEV, Ukraine -- Two Ukrainian merchant seamen, who ended up in Abu Ghraib
prison after being arrested in August, were kept naked and hooded for hours
during their 10 months imprisonment, a top human rights official said
Thursday.
The horror!
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tviett are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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27 Jun 2004 05:25:27 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:29:59 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The horror!
They were hooded????? My God how terrible!!!! At least they weren't
forced to wear Burkhas though.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Jun 2004 08:32:52 AM |
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Great Lord "mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net>, braving the
raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 27 Jun
2004 10:25:27 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:29:59 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The horror!
They were hooded????? My God how terrible!!!! At least they weren't
forced to wear Burkhas though.
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
BTW: Are you a veteran?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "sanjian" |
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27 Jun 2004 07:46:49 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Great Lord "mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net>, braving the
raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 27 Jun
2004 10:25:27 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:29:59 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The horror!
They were hooded????? My God how terrible!!!! At least they weren't
forced to wear Burkhas though.
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
Sounds better than standing watch.
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| User: "LawsonE" |
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28 Jun 2004 06:04:04 AM |
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"sanjian" <sanjian@widomaker.com> wrote in message
news:1UJDc.13644$rf7.9035@lakeread02...
Douglas Berry wrote:
Great Lord "mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net>, braving the
raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 27 Jun
2004 10:25:27 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:29:59 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The horror!
They were hooded????? My God how terrible!!!! At least they weren't
forced to wear Burkhas though.
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
Sounds better than standing watch.
Um, I doubt if you really mean that. People can die while being tied in a
standing position. That's the whole point of crucifixtion.
Very painful death, also. "Stress position" my *****.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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27 Jun 2004 06:45:12 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:32:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Great Lord "mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net>, braving the
raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 27 Jun
2004 10:25:27 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:29:59 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The horror!
They were hooded????? My God how terrible!!!! At least they weren't
forced to wear Burkhas though.
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
BTW: Are you a veteran?
Could be, but I'm inclined to think he is an *****.
I did serve in the MP of my country, and I can assure you that such
behavior as in the Abu Ghraib prison would NOT be tolerated in my
unit.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 09:55:09 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:32:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
BTW: Are you a veteran?
I feel for those terrorists that went through this.
The 3,000 people burned to death on 9/11 had the freedom to watch
themselves and their friends die before their eyes with no impediment.
How lucky these Americans were.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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28 Jun 2004 12:36:26 PM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<9f3ud05omhisankq4fv4rigng0a5h2e288@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:32:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
BTW: Are you a veteran?
I feel for those terrorists that went through this.
The 3,000 people burned to death on 9/11 had the freedom to watch
themselves and their friends die before their eyes with no impediment.
How lucky these Americans were.
Most terrorists have not gone thru this. Most of those who have gone
thru this are not terrorists - or even criminals.
Do you not care that guilty parties are laughing at the families of
the victims, while we Yankees are busy torturing innocent people and
trashing our reputation? Justice does not mean going out and hurting
people at random. It certainly does not mean dropping the quest for
justice so that Mr. Cheney's friends can get rich. The neocons sent a
letter to Mr. Clinton back in 1998, asking him invade Iraq. He
declined. The letter's signatories included ***** Cheney, Richard
Perle, Frank Dershowicz (sp?) and other familiar names. These guys
have wanted an American Empire for years. While I do not believe they
encouraged the 9/11 attack in any way, they lept on this opportunity
to wage the war they have wanted for years.
Kermit
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Jun 2004 03:22:54 PM |
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Great Lord "mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net>, braving the
raging storm, scaled the mighty crag called alt.atheism on Sun, 27 Jun
2004 14:55:09 GMT and screamed this to the uncaring Gods.
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:32:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
BTW: Are you a veteran?
I feel for those terrorists that went through this.
What terrorists? These people weren't convicted of any crimes!
The 3,000 people burned to death on 9/11 had the freedom to watch
themselves and their friends die before their eyes with no impediment.
How lucky these Americans were.
A good friend of mine lost her husband in the South Tower. So screw
you. We're suposed to be better than the monsters that launched 9/11.
But not you, for you it's an excuse for torture.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 09:30:36 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:22:54 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
A good friend of mine lost her husband in the South Tower. So screw
you
I lost 2 friends on 9/11. I don't think comparing losses helps
anyone's argument.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 09:59:55 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:32:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
BTW: Are you a veteran?
I feel for those terrorists that went through this.
The 3,000 people burned to death on 9/11 had the freedom to watch
themselves and their friends die before their eyes with no impediment.
How lucky these Americans were.
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| User: "maff" |
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27 Jun 2004 02:12:01 PM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<s93ud0l6bsk8evt87t4hafta66alfdjf1v@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:32:52 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
The burqa has a way to see out. Tell you what. Wear a hood that
blocks all your vision for 72 hours. Do this while tied to a wall -
for the entire 72 hours. Tell me after that how you feel about this
little "prank."
BTW: Are you a veteran?
I feel for those terrorists that went through this.
The 3,000 people burned to death on 9/11 had the freedom to watch
themselves and their friends die before their eyes with no impediment.
How lucky these Americans were.
What has 9/11 got to do with Iraq?
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 09:31:14 PM |
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On 27 Jun 2004 12:12:01 -0700, (maff) wrote:
What has 9/11 got to do with Iraq?
Iraq has to do with voilating UN Resolutions...for the hundred
thousandth time...
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| User: "maff" |
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28 Jun 2004 03:06:37 AM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<s7cvd05kp8on9qlno2cthnjhi1kdfug1ia@4ax.com>...
On 27 Jun 2004 12:12:01 -0700, (maff) wrote:
What has 9/11 got to do with Iraq?
Iraq has to do with voilating UN Resolutions...for the hundred
thousandth time...
But the words of the Christian fundamentalist and the Confederate
traitors carry no weight in the Union.
Constitution of the Confederate States of America
http://www.usconstitution.net/csa.html#Preamble
Preamble
We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its
sovereign and independent character, in order to form a permanent
federal government, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity,
and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity --
invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God -- do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the Confederate States of America.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:14:45 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:25:27 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:29:59 -0500, Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The horror!
They were hooded????? My God how terrible!!!! At least they weren't
forced to wear Burkhas though.
you see...this person just needs to be killfiled.
Oh, but we aren't as bad as *they* are.......
We're not supposed to do that kind of thing at all.
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| User: "" |
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27 Jun 2004 10:26:57 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:14:45 -0700, wrote:
you see...this person just needs to be killfiled.
Please do.The last thing I need is a six year old trying to understand
the large words on his 'puter.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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28 Jun 2004 12:41:00 PM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<1a5ud09rs97ilrfhe9j1olvqa9v5emcri5@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:14:45 -0700, wrote:
you see...this person just needs to be killfiled.
Please do.The last thing I need is a six year old trying to understand
the large words on his 'puter.
Well, perhaps if we use simple words.
The people we hurt were not bad.
The bad people who hurt us are hiding away from us.
We act bad, like the bad people. We should not hurt good people.
Let me know if you need more help understanding this.
Kermit
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26 Jun 2004 08:22:44 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:12:05 GMT, "Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.us> wrote:
Mazurenko and Soshchenko reportedly claimed that while in Abu Ghraib they
were frequently "subjected to sleep deprivation, kept naked for hours and
hooded," Karpachova told a news conference.
How terrible!!! At lest the 3,000 killed on 9/11 got a good rest
before they were burned to death!
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| User: "Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking Names" |
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26 Jun 2004 07:17:14 PM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:jk9rd0hvaqgjkm4revn5rbsq4jq149pn7n@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:12:05 GMT, "Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.us> wrote:
Mazurenko and Soshchenko reportedly claimed that while in Abu Ghraib they
were frequently "subjected to sleep deprivation, kept naked for hours and
hooded," Karpachova told a news conference.
How terrible!!! At lest the 3,000 killed on 9/11 got a good rest
before they were burned to death!
I think the 13 000 innocent civilians killed so far in Iraq and Afghanistan,
have more than made up for 9/11....but I suppose because they aren't white,
Christian or American, their lives are worth less!
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26 Jun 2004 08:01:43 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:17:14 +1000, "Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking
Names" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:jk9rd0hvaqgjkm4revn5rbsq4jq149pn7n@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:12:05 GMT, "Dermot Donovan" <dnd@dnd.us> wrote:
Mazurenko and Soshchenko reportedly claimed that while in Abu Ghraib they
were frequently "subjected to sleep deprivation, kept naked for hours and
hooded," Karpachova told a news conference.
How terrible!!! At lest the 3,000 killed on 9/11 got a good rest
before they were burned to death!
I think the 13 000 innocent civilians killed so far in Iraq and Afghanistan,
have more than made up for 9/11....but I suppose because they aren't white,
Christian or American, their lives are worth less!
I'm not a Christian, at least :),
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27 Jun 2004 05:24:30 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:17:14 +1000, "Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking
Names" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
I think the 13 000 innocent civilians killed so far in Iraq and Afghanistan,
have more than made up for 9/11....but I suppose because they aren't white,
Christian or American, their lives are worth less!
Innocent people got killed during a WAR????
No way that happened!!!
It has NEVER happened during ANY war!!!!
(Unless of course, I am being sarcastic and it has happened in EVERY
war)
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| User: "Kermit" |
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28 Jun 2004 12:26:05 PM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<aijtd09cuubt3l5pec6m6acijnk6h24hcv@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:17:14 +1000, "Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking
Names" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
I think the 13 000 innocent civilians killed so far in Iraq and Afghanistan,
have more than made up for 9/11....but I suppose because they aren't white,
Christian or American, their lives are worth less!
Innocent people got killed during a WAR????
No way that happened!!!
It has NEVER happened during ANY war!!!!
(Unless of course, I am being sarcastic and it has happened in EVERY
war)
Which is why civilized countries do not fight unnecessary wars.
Kermit
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27 Jun 2004 07:02:41 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:24:30 GMT, "mange@merde.com"
<fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:17:14 +1000, "Clayton Kicking Asses and Taking
Names" <cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote:
I think the 13 000 innocent civilians killed so far in Iraq and Afghanistan,
have more than made up for 9/11....but I suppose because they aren't white,
Christian or American, their lives are worth less!
Innocent people got killed during a WAR????
No way that happened!!!
It has NEVER happened during ANY war!!!!
(Unless of course, I am being sarcastic and it has happened in EVERY
war)
Which is of course why the Geneva Convention has so much to say about
legal and illegal war - so that a nation waging an illegal war of
aggression cannot do this things and hide behind "these things happen
in war", and why that is a war crime.
But then you know this anyway and are trolling - why else hide behind
the id "eat@*****.com"?
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| Title: Re: More facts of torture at Abu Ghraib |
27 Jun 2004 07:11:40 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:02:41 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Which is of course why the Geneva Convention has so much to say about
legal and illegal war - so that a nation waging an illegal war of
aggression cannot do this things and hide behind "these things happen
in war", and why that is a war crime.
It is the "Geneva Conventions" not Geneva Convention. Someone as
schooled in history as you must know that.
But then you know this anyway and are trolling - why else hide behind
the id "eat@*****.com"?
True. As I speak four languages I feel I can use any or all of them as
a user name. I am sure you have much experience as a linguist.
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| User: "LawsonE" |
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| Title: Re: More facts of torture at Abu Ghraib |
27 Jun 2004 07:26:47 AM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:02:41 GMT, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
Which is of course why the Geneva Convention has so much to say about
legal and illegal war - so that a nation waging an illegal war of
aggression cannot do this things and hide behind "these things happen
in war", and why that is a war crime.
It is the "Geneva Conventions" not Geneva Convention. Someone as
schooled in history as you must know that.
But then you know this anyway and are trolling - why else hide behind
the id "eat@*****.com"?
True. As I speak four languages I feel I can use any or all of them as
a user name. I am sure you have much experience as a linguist.
Actually, its the Geneva Accords...
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: More facts of torture at Abu Ghraib |
27 Jun 2004 10:25:56 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:26:47 GMT, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
Actually, its the Geneva Accords...
Not even close. The Geneva Accord dealt with Israel and Palestine.
The Geneva Accord
Key Positions & Issues
During the second week of October, word began to spread about a new
Israeli-Palestinian peace proposal. The plan, known as the “Geneva
Accord” (reflecting reported Swiss support for efforts to conclude the
proposal) is the culmination of more than 2 and ½ years of
Israeli-Palestinian cooperation and negotiation undertaken by
high-profile Israelis and Palestinians, acting as individuals, not as
representatives of any government
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| User: "LawsonE" |
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| Title: Re: More facts of torture at Abu Ghraib |
27 Jun 2004 01:42:54 PM |
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"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:26:47 GMT, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
Actually, its the Geneva Accords...
Not even close. The Geneva Accord dealt with Israel and Palestine.
Point.
OTOH, my point was merely that you're complaining about the accuracy of
"Convention" vs "Conventions" and spelling checking is usually considered
bad form in a Usenet argument unless you're merely pointing out a spelling
error rather than using it as a way of attacking an opponent.
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| User: "sanjian" |
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| Title: Re: More facts of torture at Abu Ghraib |
27 Jun 2004 09:13:03 PM |
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LawsonE wrote:
"mange@merde.com" <fosterfla@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:s75ud01pak6bu74tlkhpjed0ddm6ba8dcb@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:26:47 GMT, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:
Actually, its the Geneva Accords...
Not even close. The Geneva Accord dealt with Israel and Palestine.
Point.
OTOH, my point was merely that you're complaining about the accuracy
of "Convention" vs "Conventions" and spelling checking is usually
considered bad form in a Usenet argument unless you're merely
pointing out a spelling error rather than using it as a way of
attacking an opponent.
Actually, it seemed more that he was pointing out a conceptual error,
specifically that there was a single convention, rather than a series.
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