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"*** Rob Wade ***" |
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22 Aug 2005 07:01:27 PM |
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Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda |
Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda
Michael Bates
A press release from the Family Research Institute this week announces
a study that purportedly "provides additional evidence that the
practice of homosexuality, with its attendant lifestyle, shortens the
life of practitioners by about 20 years." This is the sort of news that
will absolutely, positively make some people less than gay.
Titled "Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from
AIDS," study results will appear in the journal Psychological Reports.
The president of the Family Research Institute, Paul Cameron, led the
project.
The latest report builds on an earlier one in which Dr. Cameron
examined deaths reported in homosexual publications, tracked the ages
of the deceased and averaged the results. The life expectancy of a male
homosexual, it was determined, was in the early 40s.
Those results have been cited by some conservative commentators.
They've also been widely derided by those on the other side.
I think some skepticism is justified. The methodology is flawed because
the sample population isn't representative. Most likely, the
publications reviewed disproportionately report the deaths of
out-of-the-closet homosexuals who were active in the gay rights
movement and very possibly died of AIDS.
Excluding the deaths of people not covered in publications targeted to
gays leaves too many gaps. Extrapolating the numbers leads to skewed
results.
Dr. Cameron says that his newest findings closely correlate to
statistics compiled by the Centers for Disease Control. Even if true,
his report will be ridiculed as vicious, homophobic propaganda.
It's not that there haven't been other studies concluding that
homosexuals tend to die earlier. It's just that the subject is so
emotionally charged that merely bringing it up is accepted in some
quarters as irrefutable evidence of bigotry.
In 1997, the International Journal of Epidemiology carried an article
with the excitingly provocative title, "Modelling the impact of HIV
disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men."
Just in case you misplaced your copy, I'll mention that half a dozen
scholars scrutinized vital statistics for several years from a large
Canadian city. Their finding: Life expectancy at age 20 for gay or
bisexual men was 8 to 20 years less than that for all men.
Those figures aren't remarkable, knowing what we do about the
devastating impact of HIV/AIDS among homosexuals. What was notable is
what happened four years after the publication of the article.
The six authors wrote a letter to the editor of the publication in
which their work originally appeared. They were displeased because -
you guessed it - homophobic groups were using their data to intimate
homosexual practices were somehow self-destructive.
Tut, tut, things have changed dramatically, they now said. Medical
advances have reduced the number of deaths due to AIDS. The actuarial
tables used to estimate life expectancy for a gay or bisexual man
should be the same as those used for all other males.
Interestingly, their letter included little supporting scientific
documentation. This differed greatly from their 1997 analysis, which
was chockfull of statistics, graphs, footnotes and references.
I can't say what the motivation might have been in writing that letter
to the editor, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were intended as a mea
culpa for causing homosexuals any discomfort. As I've written before,
Oscar Wilde's "love that dare not speak its name" has turned into a
lifestyle that won't shut up. The "we're here, we're queer" chant may
not be heard as frequently as it was once, but gay activists and their
sympathizers tolerate little deviance from their orthodoxy.
Even using the word "homosexual" can infuriate. I've heard from readers
who claim to be profoundly offended by it.
Possibly, that's because the word has traditionally carried a
disparaging connotation. But we've come a long way, baby.
It's been three decades since the American Psychiatric Association
yielded to pressure and removed homosexuality as a category of mental
illness. Time Magazine described the change as "an awkward compromise
by a confused and defensive profession."
But to be PC now, one must use the favored "gay" rather than that other
old, hate filled word. How such things are decided I don't know. It's
said that gay folks prefer it.
Was a vote taken? A national survey of public opinion within the
"community," wherever that may be? Did Congressperson Barney Frank
introduce a congressional resolution?
Regardless of how it was determined, much of the media and the
scientific community plays along. A quick computer check of articles in
the Chicago Tribune over the past three months shows "homosexual" used
in an article or as an index word 91 times. By contrast, for the same
period "gay" was used 252 times.
The homosexual agenda is advancing rapidly. Even in the late 60s, could
any of us have imagined a time when same-sex marriage would be accorded
serious consideration by any legislator or any court?
Yes, we've certainly come a very long way.
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| User: "The Other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda |
22 Aug 2005 07:18:56 PM |
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"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda
More regurgitated and debunked lies.
Does the predictability ever stop with you IDiots?
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| User: "Ken" |
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22 Aug 2005 10:03:50 PM |
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The Other Donald wrote:
Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda
More regurgitated and debunked lies.
Does the predictability ever stop with you IDiots?
I don't mean to be a downer, but there is probably some truth to this. The
number is probably not anywhere near 20 years, but I would expect gay men
to have a shorter lifespan on average than their heterosexual counterparts.
AIDS does infect homosexual men more often than heterosexual men.
This factor alone would seem to lead to a higher rate of death at early
ages.
It isn't bigotry to examine the evidence. It is bigotry to extend general
statements to nasty statements about individuals.
Why this is posted in alt.atheism, I have no idea. Followups have been
redirected.
--
Ken
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| User: "The Other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda |
23 Aug 2005 10:15:36 AM |
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"Ken" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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The Other Donald wrote:
Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda
More regurgitated and debunked lies.
Does the predictability ever stop with you IDiots?
I don't mean to be a downer, but there is probably some truth to this.
The
number is probably not anywhere near 20 years, but I would expect gay men
to have a shorter lifespan on average than their heterosexual
counterparts.
AIDS does infect homosexual men more often than heterosexual men.
First, yes, from what I've read, HIV is still transmitted at a higher rate
among gay men than among other groups. That does not justify an
extrapolation to the point of absurdity that was initially presented.
Second, there is no "gay agenda" except for the one that states that they
want to be treated equally, be able to walk down the street without a bunch
of inbred rednecks assaulting them*, and marry the person of their
choosing**
Third, all of this has little, if anything, to do with overall happiness or
average life expectancy of anyone, let alone an entire group of people.
*Of note: I've always found it rather funny that the way a bunch of moronic,
backwoods, sister-fuckers prove how 'tough' they are is to have five or six
of *them beat up on one or two gay men. Personally, that sounds more like a
***** with a glass jaw than anything that resembles a man.
**If you're old enough to have been married, and with the legal
ramifications of the Schaivo case in mind, the far reaching laws of a
marriage show that it has very little to so with sex, though the average
idiot doesn't even realize that.
This factor alone would seem to lead to a higher rate of death at early
ages.
But with medical advancements and treatment, that has become less of a
factor.
It isn't bigotry to examine the evidence. It is bigotry to extend general
statements to nasty statements about individuals.
With the basic concept, I agree. If the facts indicate something to be true,
then *that's the way it is, personal opinion be damned. But you look at the
facts, data and evidence first, then draw a conclusion, not vice-versa.
I've heard a variation of this particular point go the opposite direction
when discussing embryonic stem cell research.
On the other hand, the idiot that authored this "report" is a well-known and
discredited bigot that started with his hate-based premise and used a lot of
smoke, mirrors and speculation to justify it.
This doesn't even address the fact that these ***** "studies" were done
years, if not decades, ago. Yet they are regurgitated as though it was
completed yesterday.
Why this is posted in alt.atheism, I have no idea. Followups have been
redirected.
Because, like the other religious nutters around here, Wade looks at gays,
atheists, pro-choicers, etc, as the boogeyman that is hiding under his bed.
They are deathly afraid of those groups, not realizing that if he'd just
*****-off, mind his own business, leave them alone and knock off his lies,
half of his problems would go away. On the other hand, fighting these
imaginary boogeymen is all that gives his life any meaning. Without "us" his
life would be dogshit.
Further...I trimmed several NG's from his original list. I left
"alt.atheism" and "alt.abortion" on the list because I frequent those NG's.
Therefore, I have put them back on the list.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda |
23 Aug 2005 04:37:18 AM |
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In article <1124753695.505329.324110@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote:
A press release from the Family Research Institute this week announces
a study that purportedly "provides additional evidence that the
practice of homosexuality, with its attendant lifestyle, shortens the
life of practitioners by about 20 years." This is the sort of news that
will absolutely, positively make some people less than gay.
Odd. I know a couple of gay guys in their 60's. They've been living
together for about 30 years. I guess this means they should about drop
dead for no reason in the next couple of years, eh?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda |
23 Aug 2005 08:09:24 AM |
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In episode <nemo0037-1DB3FB.05362723082005@news1.west.earthlink.net>,
*nemo* burst into the room and exclaimed:
In article <1124753695.505329.324110@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote:
A press release from the Family Research Institute this week announces a
study that purportedly "provides additional evidence that the practice
of homosexuality, with its attendant lifestyle, shortens the life of
practitioners by about 20 years." This is the sort of news that will
absolutely, positively make some people less than gay.
Odd. I know a couple of gay guys in their 60's. They've been living
together for about 30 years. I guess this means they should about drop
dead for no reason in the next couple of years, eh?
Funny, isn't it, how if you focus on people with a terminal disease you
discover they, you know, die from it?
Wonder what Cameron and his ilk are going to do with the fact that even
people who do develop AIDS these days are living much, much longer with
treatment. Someone young and healthy (and insured) who develops the
disease today could live a normal lifespan. May even live to see a cure.
Of course, the dirty little secret that they don't want to talk about is
that life expectancy among PWAs is dependent on socio-economic factors.
Like whether they have good health insurance.
Not that caring for the sick is a Christian concern...
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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22 Aug 2005 09:49:41 PM |
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In episode <1124753695.505329.324110@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ***
Rob Wade *** burst into the room and exclaimed:
The
president of the Family Research Institute, Paul Cameron...
....is an idiot.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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22 Aug 2005 07:13:28 PM |
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You mean the NAZI-FASCIST Family Research Institute....
Baptists and other Christians make such god NAZIS.
"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda
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: Michael Bates
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: A press release from the Family Research Institute this week announces
: a study that purportedly "provides additional evidence that the
: practice of homosexuality, with its attendant lifestyle, shortens the
: life of practitioners by about 20 years." This is the sort of news
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: will absolutely, positively make some people less than gay.
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| User: "Moishe Lipshitz" |
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22 Aug 2005 09:09:57 PM |
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Homosexual life expectancy and the gay agenda
Michael Bates
A press release from the Family Research Institute this week announces
a study that purportedly "provides additional evidence that the
practice of homosexuality, with its attendant lifestyle, shortens the
life of practitioners by about 20 years." This is the sort of news that
will absolutely, positively make some people less than gay.
Titled "Gay obituaries closely track officially reported deaths from
AIDS," study results will appear in the journal Psychological Reports.
The president of the Family Research Institute, Paul Cameron, led the
project.
The latest report builds on an earlier one in which Dr. Cameron
examined deaths reported in homosexual publications, tracked the ages
of the deceased and averaged the results. The life expectancy of a male
homosexual, it was determined, was in the early 40s.
Those results have been cited by some conservative commentators.
They've also been widely derided by those on the other side.
I think some skepticism is justified. The methodology is flawed because
the sample population isn't representative. Most likely, the
publications reviewed disproportionately report the deaths of
out-of-the-closet homosexuals who were active in the gay rights
movement and very possibly died of AIDS.
Excluding the deaths of people not covered in publications targeted to
gays leaves too many gaps. Extrapolating the numbers leads to skewed
results.
Dr. Cameron says that his newest findings closely correlate to
statistics compiled by the Centers for Disease Control. Even if true,
his report will be ridiculed as vicious, homophobic propaganda.
It's not that there haven't been other studies concluding that
homosexuals tend to die earlier. It's just that the subject is so
emotionally charged that merely bringing it up is accepted in some
quarters as irrefutable evidence of bigotry.
In 1997, the International Journal of Epidemiology carried an article
with the excitingly provocative title, "Modelling the impact of HIV
disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men."
Just in case you misplaced your copy, I'll mention that half a dozen
scholars scrutinized vital statistics for several years from a large
Canadian city. Their finding: Life expectancy at age 20 for gay or
bisexual men was 8 to 20 years less than that for all men.
Those figures aren't remarkable, knowing what we do about the
devastating impact of HIV/AIDS among homosexuals. What was notable is
what happened four years after the publication of the article.
The six authors wrote a letter to the editor of the publication in
which their work originally appeared. They were displeased because -
you guessed it - homophobic groups were using their data to intimate
homosexual practices were somehow self-destructive.
Well, the average homo has 1000 "partners" during his life. So you can just
imagine the diseases you will catch from being ***** fucked by so many men.
Tut, tut, things have changed dramatically, they now said. Medical
advances have reduced the number of deaths due to AIDS. The actuarial
tables used to estimate life expectancy for a gay or bisexual man
should be the same as those used for all other males.
http://sexualtips.net/disease_Q_and_A.htm
Interestingly, their letter included little supporting scientific
documentation. This differed greatly from their 1997 analysis, which
was chockfull of statistics, graphs, footnotes and references.
I can't say what the motivation might have been in writing that letter
to the editor, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were intended as a mea
culpa for causing homosexuals any discomfort. As I've written before,
Oscar Wilde's "love that dare not speak its name" has turned into a
lifestyle that won't shut up. The "we're here, we're queer" chant may
not be heard as frequently as it was once, but gay activists and their
sympathizers tolerate little deviance from their orthodoxy.
Even using the word "homosexual" can infuriate. I've heard from readers
who claim to be profoundly offended by it.
Who cares what disease spreading faggots think.
http://sexualtips.net/disease_Q_and_A.htm
Possibly, that's because the word has traditionally carried a
disparaging connotation. But we've come a long way, baby.
It's been three decades since the American Psychiatric Association
yielded to pressure and removed homosexuality as a category of mental
illness.
This trade organisation composed mainly of jew charlatans actually votes at
their convention on whether something is a "disease". This isn't science,
it's voodoo intended to increase their income. They couldn't take the heat
from the homo lobby so they caved in rather than lose money.
Time Magazine described the change as "an awkward compromise
by a confused and defensive profession."
But to be PC now, one must use the favored "gay" rather than that other
old, hate filled word. How such things are decided I don't know. It's
said that gay folks prefer it.
Erm, well if they make up 1% of the population why would anyone care what
they prefer?
Was a vote taken? A national survey of public opinion within the
"community," wherever that may be? Did Congressperson Barney Frank
introduce a congressional resolution?
He was too busy running a homo ***** house in his basement.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/gobie2.htm
Regardless of how it was determined, much of the media and the
scientific community plays along. A quick computer check of articles in
the Chicago Tribune over the past three months shows "homosexual" used
in an article or as an index word 91 times. By contrast, for the same
period "gay" was used 252 times.
The homosexual agenda is advancing rapidly. Even in the late 60s, could
any of us have imagined a time when same-sex marriage would be accorded
serious consideration by any legislator or any court?
But it's not taken seriously and in fact has been rejected in every area
where it was on the ballot. It's only taken seriously in the minds of crazed
homos and jews.
Yes, we've certainly come a very long way.
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