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User: "johac"
Date: 13 Oct 2006 01:44:38 AM
Object: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition
More evidence that 'unnatural acts' are natural after all.
Now are fundies going to demand laws banning gay animal marriage?
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Birds and bees may be gay: museum exhibition
By Alister Doyle, Environment CorrespondentThu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET
The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's first museum
exhibition about homosexuality among animals.
With documentation of gay or lesbian behavior among giraffes, penguins,
parrots, beetles, whales and dozens of other creatures, the Oslo Natural
History Museum concludes human homosexuality cannot be viewed as
"unnatural."
"We may have opinions on a lot of things, but one thing is clear --
homosexuality is found throughout the animal kingdom, it is not against
nature," an exhibit statement said.
Geir Soeli, the project leader of the exhibition entitled "Against
Nature," told Reuters: "Homosexuality has been observed for more than
1,500 animal species, and is well documented for 500 of them."
The museum said the exhibition, opening on Thursday despite condemnation
from some Christians, was the first in the world on the subject. Soeli
said a Dutch zoo had once organised tours to view homosexual couples
among the animals.
"The sexual urge is strong in all animals. ... It's a part of life, it's
fun to have sex," Soeli said of the reasons for homosexuality or
bisexuality among animals.
One exhibit shows two stuffed female swans on a nest -- birds sometimes
raise young in homosexual couples, either after a female has forsaken a
male mate or donated an egg to a pair of males.
One photograph shows two giant erect penises flailing above the water as
two male right whales rub together. Another shows a male giraffe
mounting another for sex, another describes homosexuality among beetles.
BURN IN HELL
One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said. Laws
describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the
statutes in some countries.
Greek philosopher Aristotle noted apparent homosexual behavior among
hyenas 2,300 years ago but evidence of animal homosexuality has often
been ignored by researchers, perhaps because of distaste, lack of
interest or fear or ridicule.
Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with
either males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos
are bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said.
Still, it is unclear why homosexuality survives since it seems a genetic
dead-end.
Among theories, males can sometimes win greater acceptance in a pack by
having homosexual contact. That in turn can help their chances of later
mating with females, he said.
And a study of homosexual men in Italy suggested that their mothers and
sisters had more offspring. "The same genes that give homosexuality in
men could give higher fertility among women," he said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061012/sc_nm/environment_homosexuality_dc
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User: "David Canzi -- non-mailable"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 13 Oct 2006 08:41:18 PM
In article <jhachmann-35C0C4.23443812102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:


By Alister Doyle, Environment CorrespondentThu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET

The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's first museum
exhibition about homosexuality among animals.

I've long suspected that the drones in the beehive were closet queens.
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 14 Oct 2006 12:32:53 AM
In article <egpf7u$916$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>,
(David Canzi -- non-mailable) wrote:

In article <jhachmann-35C0C4.23443812102006@news.giganews.com>,
johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote:


By Alister Doyle, Environment CorrespondentThu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET

The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's first museum
exhibition about homosexuality among animals.


I've long suspected that the drones in the beehive were closet queens.

LOL!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.


User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 15 Oct 2006 09:13:28 PM
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

More evidence that 'unnatural acts' are natural after all.

Now are fundies going to demand laws banning gay animal marriage?


---
Birds and bees may be gay: museum exhibition

By Alister Doyle, Environment CorrespondentThu Oct 12, 8:46 AM ET

The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's first museum
exhibition about homosexuality among animals.

With documentation of gay or lesbian behavior among giraffes, penguins,
parrots, beetles, whales and dozens of other creatures, the Oslo Natural
History Museum concludes human homosexuality cannot be viewed as
"unnatural."

"We may have opinions on a lot of things, but one thing is clear --
homosexuality is found throughout the animal kingdom, it is not against
nature," an exhibit statement said.

Geir Soeli, the project leader of the exhibition entitled "Against
Nature," told Reuters: "Homosexuality has been observed for more than
1,500 animal species, and is well documented for 500 of them."

The museum said the exhibition, opening on Thursday despite condemnation
from some Christians, was the first in the world on the subject. Soeli
said a Dutch zoo had once organised tours to view homosexual couples
among the animals.

"The sexual urge is strong in all animals. ... It's a part of life, it's
fun to have sex," Soeli said of the reasons for homosexuality or
bisexuality among animals.

One exhibit shows two stuffed female swans on a nest -- birds sometimes
raise young in homosexual couples, either after a female has forsaken a
male mate or donated an egg to a pair of males.

One photograph shows two giant erect penises flailing above the water as
two male right whales rub together. Another shows a male giraffe
mounting another for sex, another describes homosexuality among beetles.

BURN IN HELL

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said. Laws
describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the
statutes in some countries.

Ah, those 'loving' Christians.

Greek philosopher Aristotle noted apparent homosexual behavior among
hyenas 2,300 years ago but evidence of animal homosexuality has often
been ignored by researchers, perhaps because of distaste, lack of
interest or fear or ridicule.

Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with
either males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos
are bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said.

Still, it is unclear why homosexuality survives since it seems a genetic
dead-end.

Among theories, males can sometimes win greater acceptance in a pack by
having homosexual contact. That in turn can help their chances of later
mating with females, he said.

And a study of homosexual men in Italy suggested that their mothers and
sisters had more offspring. "The same genes that give homosexuality in
men could give higher fertility among women," he said.




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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061012/sc_nm/environment_homosexuality_dc

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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 13 Oct 2006 04:21:01 PM
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.

"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.

Laws describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the
statutes in some countries.

But, since homosexuality is clearly not "against nature", these laws
no longer refer to homosexuality.

Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with
either males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos
are bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said.

And Bonobos are the species that's genetically closest to us. go
figure.
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other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 14 Oct 2006 12:37:21 AM
In article <ok00j21869ubjionf90buaevueu1g0g71f@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.


"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.

I wonder if any of these guys ever read their own book.


Laws describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the
statutes in some countries.


But, since homosexuality is clearly not "against nature", these laws
no longer refer to homosexuality.

Exactly. There's a quote attributed to Oscar Wilde that to paraphrase
goes something like "The definition of an 'unnatural act' is only one
that is physically impossible to perform"


Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with
either males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos
are bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said.


And Bonobos are the species that's genetically closest to us. go
figure.

Yep.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 15 Oct 2006 09:24:04 PM
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:37:21 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <ok00j21869ubjionf90buaevueu1g0g71f@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.


"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.


I wonder if any of these guys ever read their own book.

No, because the meaning of words is fluid.

Laws describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the
statutes in some countries.


But, since homosexuality is clearly not "against nature", these laws
no longer refer to homosexuality.


Exactly. There's a quote attributed to Oscar Wilde that to paraphrase
goes something like "The definition of an 'unnatural act' is only one
that is physically impossible to perform"

Exactly.

Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with
either males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos
are bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said.


And Bonobos are the species that's genetically closest to us. go
figure.


Yep.

--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 16 Oct 2006 02:10:30 AM
In article <r8r5j25eqqui58oom3pbgnj03dlreckmkq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:37:21 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <ok00j21869ubjionf90buaevueu1g0g71f@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.


"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.


I wonder if any of these guys ever read their own book.


No, because the meaning of words is fluid.

Or in some cases they can't find anyone to read it to them.


--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 18 Oct 2006 02:32:23 PM
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:10:30 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <r8r5j25eqqui58oom3pbgnj03dlreckmkq@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:37:21 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism

In article <ok00j21869ubjionf90buaevueu1g0g71f@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.


"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.


I wonder if any of these guys ever read their own book.


No, because the meaning of words is fluid.


Or in some cases they can't find anyone to read it to them.

That would be in addition.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 14 Oct 2006 05:18:42 PM
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:37:21 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

In article <ok00j21869ubjionf90buaevueu1g0g71f@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.


"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.


I wonder if any of these guys ever read their own book.

I think that's forbidden, isn't it? They have priests and ministers
to tell them what it says. Don't they burn in hell if they read it
without the guidance of a minister?

Exactly. There's a quote attributed to Oscar Wilde that to paraphrase
goes something like "The definition of an 'unnatural act' is only one
that is physically impossible to perform"

Educating a fundie is an unnatural act?
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shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
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User: "johac"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 15 Oct 2006 12:33:40 AM
In article <kdo2j2djbsktck4pm6foj50gtg17ifo4gv@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:37:21 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

In article <ok00j21869ubjionf90buaevueu1g0g71f@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:

One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.


"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.


I wonder if any of these guys ever read their own book.


I think that's forbidden, isn't it? They have priests and ministers
to tell them what it says. Don't they burn in hell if they read it
without the guidance of a minister?

For many centuries the RCC banned the reading of the Bible under pain of
excommunication. or in some cases burning.


Exactly. There's a quote attributed to Oscar Wilde that to paraphrase
goes something like "The definition of an 'unnatural act' is only one
that is physically impossible to perform"


Educating a fundie is an unnatural act?

Yes and a futile one at that.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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User: "OK"

Title: Re: Homosexuality among animals: museum exhibition 24 Oct 2006 08:02:26 PM
johac wrote:

In article <kdo2j2djbsktck4pm6foj50gtg17ifo4gv@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:


On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:37:21 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:


In article <ok00j21869ubjionf90buaevueu1g0g71f@4ax.com>,
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:


On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:44:38 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:


One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded
by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said.

"Should"? Why? Nothing in the Bible about this.

I wonder if any of these guys ever read their own book.

I think that's forbidden, isn't it? They have priests and ministers
to tell them what it says. Don't they burn in hell if they read it
without the guidance of a minister?


For many centuries the RCC banned the reading of the Bible under pain of
excommunication. or in some cases burning.


The EOC excommunicated me.
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