Moishe Lipshitz wrote:

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Moishe Lipshitz wrote:

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Genesis 19: 1-14.

"The two angels came to Sodom in the evening and Lot was sitting in
the
gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed
himself with his face to the earth, and said, 'My lords, turn aside,
I
pray you, to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your
feet; then you may rise up early and go on your way.'

They said, 'No; we will spend the night in the street.' But he
urged
them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house;
and
he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.

But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom,
both
young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house;
and they called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight?
Bring them out to us, that we may know them.'

The yahoodies were sick perverts even back then :o)

Lot went out of the door to the men, shut the door after him, and
said,
'I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Behold, I have two
daughters who have not known man;

Nice jew father! He wants to give the mob his 2 virgin daughters!



let me bring them out to you, and do

to them as you please; only do nothing to these men, for they have
come
under the shelter of my roof.'

But they said, 'Stand back!' And they said, 'This fellow came to
sojourn, and he would play the judge! Now we will deal worse with
you
than with them.' Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and
drew
near to break the door.

But the men put forth their hands and brought Lot into the house to
them, and shut the door. And they struck with blindness the men who
were at the door of the house, both small and great,so that they
wearied themselves groping for the door.

Then the men said to Lot, 'Have you any one else here? Sons-in-law,
sons, daughters, or any one you have in the city, bring them out of
the
place; for we are about to destroy this place, because the outcry
against its people has become great before the Lord, and the Lord
has
sent us to destroy it.'

So Lot went out and said to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his
daughters, 'Up, get out of this place; for the Lord is about to
destroy
the city.' But he seemed to his sons-in-law to be jesting."

This is the sort of crap jews read. Is it any wonder they're so stupid
haha

Actually, the Jews have the highest IQs on earth. Anyone would cast
aspersions on Jewish intellect

They're con men with good memories like most gypsies and ghetto people.
There are no great jew thinkers. And when you calculate an average IQ for
a
group or a people you must include ALL of the people including the
retards
and schizophrenics which the jews have a disproportionate number of. So
stop
juggling the books in true jew fashion :o) Don't calculate an average IQ
unless you include these mental defectives as well :o)


only reveals himself as having an IQ

less than his shoe size. That, my friend, is you.

You are completely wrong buddy. The highest National IQ's are: South
Koreans, European Russians, Italians, Icelandic and English for the top
5.

.


How the Ashkenazi Got Their Smarts

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group.

score 0.75 to 1.0 standard deviations above the general European
average, which corresponds to an IQ score around 112-115. .

has social significance, because IQ (as measured by IQ tests) is a good
predictor of success in academic subjects and many jobs.

as successful in such jobs as their tested IQ would predict, and are
hugely overrepresented in those jobs and accomplishments with the
highest cognitive demands. During the 20th century, they made up about
3% of the US population, but won 27% of the US Nobel science prizes

25% of the ACM Turing awards. They account for more than half of world
chess champions.

This is not exactly news. I'm telling you something your grandmother
knew.

although, interestingly, not in Classical times

are usually decent approximations of the truth.

Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual cognitive ability profile, as well as
higher-than-average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores,
while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat worse (by
about half a standard deviation) than the European average.

noted that "The correlation between verbal and performance tests is
about 0.77 in the general population, hut only 0.31 among Jewish
children. Differences of 10-20 points have been found in samples of
Jewish children; there is no other group that shows anything like this
size difference. " Their pattern of success is what you might expect
from this ability distribution - great success in mathematics and
literature, more typical results in painting, sculpture, and
architecture.

Just as important, Sephardic and Oriental Jews do _not_ have
higher-than-average IQs, nor are they tremendously overrepresented in
cognitively demanding fields.

Any attempt at a causal explanation of Ashkenazi cognitive abilities
must explain high Ashkenazi IQ, the unusual structure of their
cognitive abilities, and the nonexistence of these traits among
Sephardic/Oriental Jews and among Jews as a whole in Classical times.
It must also be consistent with the neodarwinian synthesis, the
historical record, and genetic data.

The natural approach is to look for a historical situation in which
natural selection strongly favored this trait constellation.
Immediately, we see that conditions among Jews were especially suitable
for rapid evolutionary change. They lived in an unusual ecological
situation, and they were reproductively isolated.

Reproductive isolation means that there was very little gene flow
between the Jews and neighboring non-Jewish populations, very little
intermarriage. This is course what the historical record indicates, but
the genetic evidence is even stronger. We see that the majority of
Y-chromosomes among the Ashkenazi are associated with Mideastern
clades; this is enough to show that per-generation gene flow from
surrounding Europeans (from males, anyhow) averaged less than 0.5% over
many generations. Such reproduction isolation is almost a prerequisite
for strong natural selection: if a population undergoing unusual
selective pressures mixes heavily with a much larger population
experiencing typical selective pressures, nothing happens.

The other important point is that Jews lived unusual lives, compared
with most other population. By about 800 AD, almost all of them lived
in cities. The great majority of almost every other ethnic group were
farmers - they _had_ to be, since in premodern times farmers did not
produce much above their own requirements, and it took several farmers
to support one city-dweller. To the extent that the demands and rewards
of urban life differed from those of farmers, the selective pressures
experienced by Jews were unusual.

In earlier times, the great majority of Jews were themselves farmers.
This means that in Classical times, they had not yet experienced
unusual selective pressures, and in those days nobody thought that they
were especially smart. The process that eventually resulted in high
Ashkenazi IQ had not yet occurred.

For there to be strong selection for IQ, individuals with high IQs must
have had more surviving children than average. Today, of course, that
does not happen, but there is reason to think that it was sometimes the
case in premodern Europe. In those days, wealthy people had quite a few
more surviving children than average, so if high IQ increased income,
there could have been selection for IQ in some situations.

The strength of this trend depended very much on the way an individual
made a living. A dirt farmer with strong mathematical and verbal
talents probably didn't do much better than average, but a merchant
with such talents was likely to become wealthy and could raise a large
family. In other words, the fitness/IQ derivative (which we will call
the IQ elasticity) was not the same for all occupations.

This means that the occupational mix experienced by a population group
was very important in determining the selective forces experienced by
that population.

The Ashkenazi, in their beginnings in Western Europe, were mostly
moneylenders. After they migrated to the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth, for a long time most were moneylenders, tax farmers,
toll-farmers, and estate managers. They had to manage complex financial
transactions, and those who did well made more money and had more
children. Prosperous Jews may

children than poor Jews, and they made their money with their wits,
rather than by inheritance or fighting skills, as in most other
European elites.

For hundreds of years, _most_ of the Ashkenazi had jobs with high IQ
elasticity, while at the same time experiencing very low gene flow with
neighboring populations.

certainly non-Jewish groups in Europe that had occupations with high IQ
elasticity - merchants in Bristol or Rotterdam for example - but they
were not reproductively isolated. They kept marrying non-merchants. The
Jews of Islam, although reproductively isolated, seem not have had the
necessary concentration of occupations with high IQ elasticity. Some
had such jobs in some of the Arab world, in some periods, but it seems
it was never the case that _most_ did. In part this was because other
minority groups competed successfully for these jobs - Greek
Christians, Armenians, etc., in part because Moslems, at least some of
the time, took many of those jobs themselves, valuing non-warrior
occupations more highly than medieval Christians. In fact, to a large
extent, and especially during the last six or seven hundred years of
relative Moslem decline, the Jews of Islam tended to have 'dirty' jobs.
These included such tasks as cleaning cesspools and drying the contents
for use as fuel - a common Jewish occupation in Morocco, Yemen, Iraq,
Iran, and Central Asia. Jews were also found as tanners, butchers,
hangmen, and other disagreeable or despised occupations. I think that
such jobs had low IQ elasticity - probably brilliant tanners did not
get rich.

Only the Ashkenazi had low gene flow and a preponderance of occupations
with high IQ elasticity for hundreds of years. That is enough to have
caused the IQ increase that we observe. The narrow-sense heritability
of IQ is at least 0.3 - that means if the parents of the next
generation average 1 point above the current population average, the
next generation (with equal environments) will average 0.3 point
higher. Continue this process for 40 generations and you get an
increase of 12 points, just about what we see today.

It also explains the pattern of mental abilities we see in Ashkenazi
Jews. Verbal and mathematical talent

succeed, while spatiovisual abilities were irrelevant.

There have been other causes suggested. One, 'winnowing through
persecution", suggests that only the smartest Jews survived
persecution. Why this should be so is not clear, particularly there was
no similar outcome in other groups such as Gypsies that faced frequent
persecution. Another theory suggests that there was selective breeding
for Talmudic scholarship. The are two fatal problems with this
hypothesis: first, it was wealth that caused increased fertility, not
scholarship. Second, there weren't very many rabbis, certainly less
than one percent of the population.. A selective force that only
affects a fraction of a percent of the population can never be strong,
can never cause significant change in tens of generations. One that
that affects the top 10 or 20% of the population can.

Albert Einstein said "Things should be described as simply as possible,
but no simpler." The same principle must invoked in explaining Einstein
himself.

Gregory Cochran

Those 2 cities on the plain were actually destroyed 5,000 years ago by
an
underground fire that shot burning sulphur into the air and burnt the
cities down. This story was well known to the normads and peasants in
the
area and was told from generation to generation. It was probably
written
about 2,000 years AFTER the fact by that old sheep shagger Moses or
one
of
his butt buddies after they had been taught to read and write by the
Egyptians. The reason they gave for the ciites being destroyed in
their
account is that the people were evil and all sodomites which seemed
logical
to them since that's how they passed their time lol
But it's amazing how certain genetic traits can be passed along and
even
after a 100 generations and dilutions with kazars and a 100 others,
can
still be strong. The old ***** fuckers of Sodom are not too different
from
the
modern jew with their disproportionate number of homos and perverts
:o)

You can stop with the demonstrations, fella. You've already made it
abundantly clear that your opinions are a waste of cyberspace.

Then don't read them pal. But like all jews you just want to make some
infantile wisecrack or defame the writer rather then address the facts.
We
know all your tricks and aren't buying your crap anymore :o)

Moishe Lipshitz wrote:

"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon@liberman.com> wrote in message
news:1125881302.106226.171070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Moishe Lipshitz wrote:

<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1125871391.452739.117630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Genesis 19: 1-14.

"The two angels came to Sodom in the evening and Lot was sitting in
the
gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed
himself with his face to the earth, and said, 'My lords, turn aside,
I
pray you, to your servant's house and spend the night, and wash your
feet; then you may rise up early and go on your way.'

They said, 'No; we will spend the night in the street.' But he
urged
them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house;
and
he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.

But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom,
both
young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house;
and they called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight?
Bring them out to us, that we may know them.'

The yahoodies were sick perverts even back then :o)

Lot went out of the door to the men, shut the door after him, and
said,
'I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. Behold, I have two
daughters who have not known man;

Nice jew father! He wants to give the mob his 2 virgin daughters!



let me bring them out to you, and do

to them as you please; only do nothing to these men, for they have
come
under the shelter of my roof.'

But they said, 'Stand back!' And they said, 'This fellow came to
sojourn, and he would play the judge! Now we will deal worse with
you
than with them.' Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and
drew
near to break the door.

But the men put forth their hands and brought Lot into the house to
them, and shut the door. And they struck with blindness the men who
were at the door of the house, both small and great,so that they
wearied themselves groping for the door.

Then the men said to Lot, 'Have you any one else here? Sons-in-law,
sons, daughters, or any one you have in the city, bring them out of
the
place; for we are about to destroy this place, because the outcry
against its people has become great before the Lord, and the Lord
has
sent us to destroy it.'

So Lot went out and said to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his
daughters, 'Up, get out of this place; for the Lord is about to
destroy
the city.' But he seemed to his sons-in-law to be jesting."

This is the sort of crap jews read. Is it any wonder they're so stupid
haha

Actually, the Jews have the highest IQs on earth. Anyone would cast
aspersions on Jewish intellect

They're con men with good memories like most gypsies and ghetto people.
There are no great jew thinkers. And when you calculate an average IQ for
a
group or a people you must include ALL of the people including the
retards
and schizophrenics which the jews have a disproportionate number of. So
stop
juggling the books in true jew fashion :o) Don't calculate an average IQ
unless you include these mental defectives as well :o)


only reveals himself as having an IQ

less than his shoe size. That, my friend, is you.

You are completely wrong buddy. The highest National IQ's are: South
Koreans, European Russians, Italians, Icelandic and English for the top
5.

Thanks for whowing why you rank at the bottom, dip-shits.

How the Ashkenazi Got Their Smarts

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group. They
score 0.75 to 1.0 standard deviations above the general European
average, which corresponds to an IQ score around 112-115. . This fact
has social significance, because IQ (as measured by IQ tests) is a good
predictor of success in academic subjects and many jobs. Jews are just
as successful in such jobs as their tested IQ would predict, and are
hugely overrepresented in those jobs and accomplishments with the
highest cognitive demands. During the 20th century, they made up about
3% of the US population, but won 27% of the US Nobel science prizes and
25% of the ACM Turing awards. They account for more than half of world
chess champions.

This is not exactly news. I'm telling you something your grandmother
knew. Popular opinion has held that Jews are smart for a long time -
although, interestingly, not in Classical times - and such stereotypes
are usually decent approximations of the truth.

Ashkenazi Jews have an unusual cognitive ability profile, as well as
higher-than-average IQ. They have high verbal and mathematical scores,
while their visuospatial abilities are typically somewhat worse (by
about half a standard deviation) than the European average. Han Eysenck
noted that "The correlation between verbal and performance tests is
about 0.77 in the general population, hut only 0.31 among Jewish
children. Differences of 10-20 points have been found in samples of
Jewish children; there is no other group that shows anything like this
size difference. " Their pattern of success is what you might expect
from this ability distribution - great success in mathematics and
literature, more typical results in painting, sculpture, and
architecture.

Just as important, Sephardic and Oriental Jews do _not_ have
higher-than-average IQs, nor are they tremendously overrepresented in
cognitively demanding fields.

Any attempt at a causal explanation of Ashkenazi cognitive abilities
must explain high Ashkenazi IQ, the unusual structure of their
cognitive abilities, and the nonexistence of these traits among
Sephardic/Oriental Jews and among Jews as a whole in Classical times.
It must also be consistent with the neodarwinian synthesis, the
historical record, and genetic data.

The natural approach is to look for a historical situation in which
natural selection strongly favored this trait constellation.
Immediately, we see that conditions among Jews were especially suitable
for rapid evolutionary change. They lived in an unusual ecological
situation, and they were reproductively isolated.

Reproductive isolation means that there was very little gene flow
between the Jews and neighboring non-Jewish populations, very little
intermarriage. This is course what the historical record indicates, but
the genetic evidence is even stronger. We see that the majority of
Y-chromosomes among the Ashkenazi are associated with Mideastern
clades; this is enough to show that per-generation gene flow from
surrounding Europeans (from males, anyhow) averaged less than 0.5% over
many generations. Such reproduction isolation is almost a prerequisite
for strong natural selection: if a population undergoing unusual
selective pressures mixes heavily with a much larger population
experiencing typical selective pressures, nothing happens.

The other important point is that Jews lived unusual lives, compared
with most other population. By about 800 AD, almost all of them lived
in cities. The great majority of almost every other ethnic group were
farmers - they _had_ to be, since in premodern times farmers did not
produce much above their own requirements, and it took several farmers
to support one city-dweller. To the extent that the demands and rewards
of urban life differed from those of farmers, the selective pressures
experienced by Jews were unusual.

In earlier times, the great majority of Jews were themselves farmers.
This means that in Classical times, they had not yet experienced
unusual selective pressures, and in those days nobody thought that they
were especially smart. The process that eventually resulted in high
Ashkenazi IQ had not yet occurred.

For there to be strong selection for IQ, individuals with high IQs must
have had more surviving children than average. Today, of course, that
does not happen, but there is reason to think that it was sometimes the
case in premodern Europe. In those days, wealthy people had quite a few
more surviving children than average, so if high IQ increased income,
there could have been selection for IQ in some situations.

The strength of this trend depended very much on the way an individual
made a living. A dirt farmer with strong mathematical and verbal
talents probably didn't do much better than average, but a merchant
with such talents was likely to become wealthy and could raise a large
family. In other words, the fitness/IQ derivative (which we will call
the IQ elasticity) was not the same for all occupations.

This means that the occupational mix experienced by a population group
was very important in determining the selective forces experienced by
that population.

The Ashkenazi, in their beginnings in Western Europe, were mostly
moneylenders. After they migrated to the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth, for a long time most were moneylenders, tax farmers,
toll-farmers, and estate managers. They had to manage complex financial
transactions, and those who did well made more money and had more
children. Prosperous Jews may have averaged twice as many surviving
children than poor Jews, and they made their money with their wits,
rather than by inheritance or fighting skills, as in most other
European elites.

For hundreds of years, _most_ of the Ashkenazi had jobs with high IQ
elasticity, while at the same time experiencing very low gene flow with
neighboring populations. This situation was unique. There were
certainly non-Jewish groups in Europe that had occupations with high IQ
elasticity - merchants in Bristol or Rotterdam for example - but they
were not reproductively isolated. They kept marrying non-merchants. The
Jews of Islam, although reproductively isolated, seem not have had the
necessary concentration of occupations with high IQ elasticity. Some
had such jobs in some of the Arab world, in some periods, but it seems
it was never the case that _most_ did. In part this was because other
minority groups competed successfully for these jobs - Greek
Christians, Armenians, etc., in part because Moslems, at least some of
the time, took many of those jobs themselves, valuing non-warrior
occupations more highly than medieval Christians. In fact, to a large
extent, and especially during the last six or seven hundred years of
relative Moslem decline, the Jews of Islam tended to have 'dirty' jobs.
These included such tasks as cleaning cesspools and drying the contents
for use as fuel - a common Jewish occupation in Morocco, Yemen, Iraq,
Iran, and Central Asia. Jews were also found as tanners, butchers,
hangmen, and other disagreeable or despised occupations. I think that
such jobs had low IQ elasticity - probably brilliant tanners did not
get rich.

Only the Ashkenazi had low gene flow and a preponderance of occupations
with high IQ elasticity for hundreds of years. That is enough to have
caused the IQ increase that we observe. The narrow-sense heritability
of IQ is at least 0.3 - that means if the parents of the next
generation average 1 point above the current population average, the
next generation (with equal environments) will average 0.3 point
higher. Continue this process for 40 generations and you get an
increase of 12 points, just about what we see today.

It also explains the pattern of mental abilities we see in Ashkenazi
Jews. Verbal and mathematical talent helped medieval businessmen
succeed, while spatiovisual abilities were irrelevant.

There have been other causes suggested. One, 'winnowing through
persecution", suggests that only the smartest Jews survived
persecution. Why this should be so is not clear, particularly there was
no similar outcome in other groups such as Gypsies that faced frequent
persecution. Another theory suggests that there was selective breeding
for Talmudic scholarship. The are two fatal problems with this
hypothesis: first, it was wealth that caused increased fertility, not
scholarship. Second, there weren't very many rabbis, certainly less
than one percent of the population.. A selective force that only
affects a fraction of a percent of the population can never be strong,
can never cause significant change in tens of generations. One that
that affects the top 10 or 20% of the population can.

Albert Einstein said "Things should be described as simply as possible,
but no simpler." The same principle must invoked in explaining Einstein
himself.



Gregory Cochran

Those 2 cities on the plain were actually destroyed 5,000 years ago by
an
underground fire that shot burning sulphur into the air and burnt the
cities down. This story was well known to the normads and peasants in
the
area and was told from generation to generation. It was probably
written
about 2,000 years AFTER the fact by that old sheep shagger Moses or
one
of
his butt buddies after they had been taught to read and write by the
Egyptians. The reason they gave for the ciites being destroyed in
their
account is that the people were evil and all sodomites which seemed
logical
to them since that's how they passed their time lol
But it's amazing how certain genetic traits can be passed along and
even
after a 100 generations and dilutions with kazars and a 100 others,
can
still be strong. The old ***** fuckers of Sodom are not too different
from
the
modern jew with their disproportionate number of homos and perverts
:o)

You can stop with the demonstrations, fella. You've already made it
abundantly clear that your opinions are a waste of cyberspace.

Then don't read them pal. But like all jews you just want to make some
infantile wisecrack or defame the writer rather then address the facts.
We
know all your tricks and aren't buying your crap anymore :o)